Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dean it does look like Hashimotos. Hashi's doesn't always present with low thyroid levels in the beginning. It will continue to " attack " until he crashes and burns. That's what happened to my GF and now she is on 5 grains of armour and still feeling bad. Her adrenals are shot. Your adrenals pick up the slack and they get burned out. An easy thing he can do to check his adrenals is to take his temperatures. Dr. Rind www.drrind.com has some excel charts that can be used to chart it. He explains what each type of charting means - ie " low temps consistently, low and bouncing, low and high " and more. Just read through the information. It will tell you when the lowest point is for your adrenals. I was feeling really tired around 6 pm and feeling tingling in my mid back which is where the adrenal vertebrae is. I have discovered that my temps go from 98.6 to 97 around 6-7 pm. This signals adrenal fatigue. If your friend has mercury issues as well, the mercury inhibits the hormones from getting into the cells. This means that his labs could look normal - which is what they do - but he is not getting enough to maintain what he needs. I have this while chelating. When not chelating I am on 4 grains but when I chelate I have to step it up to 4 1/2 grains (I have no thyroid due to cancer / removal). My Dr is easy to work with and allows me to increase my meds based on how I felt. When I chelated we took labs when I got really tired and my FT3 had dropped 80 pts! Conversion of T4 to T3 happens in the liver too so when you have metal issues this is compromised as well. He also may be having iron issues. Has he checked his iron/ferritin? When they are low people have issues with thyroid hormones as well. I hope this helps! LMK if you need more info. Thyroid is my specialty! I had to learn about my own thyroid to save my life. My Drs were literally killing me! Thyroid Antibodies HI All, I looking at the blood test results of a client of mine and have no experience in interpreting them. He has symptoms of adrenal fatigue and low thyroid. These are confirmed by his hair test: Number 29 http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html He also has high mercury and has yet to remove his amalgams, but wanted to get his thyroid and adrenals ready for the ordeal. The Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, Potassium are a little tricky to interpret and don't have a standard presentation according to Andy's work. His potassium and sodium are down indicating an exhaustion response (according to Dr ). But his calcium and magnesium head off in different directions, although still in the normal range. What does this mean? He has low Na/Mg ration of 0.33 (adrenals weak with low adrenaline production) and K/Ca is 0.10 indicating thyroid is out. His other thyroid indicator Na/K is within range. Anyway, despite him being exhausted and knowing something is seriously wrong his doctor did all the tests and pronounced him normal and well (as they do). So I'm trying to help him figure out what is going on. His blood tests read: Free T3 - 5.1 (3.8 - 6.0 pmol/L) Free T4 - 12 (7.2 - 15.2pmol/L) S-TSH - 1.33 (0.37 - 5.50 mIU/L) Thyroid Antibodies (i) Thyroid Peroxidase Ab 41 (0 - 60IU/ml) (ii) Thyroglobulin Ab 25.7 (0 - 60IU/ml) DHEA-S - 6.32 (2.41 - 11.6umol/L) T-Testosterone - 14.2 (9.9 - 27.8nmol/L) The lab test says presence of thyroid antibodies could indicate auto-immune thyroid disease like Hashimotos. Perhaps that is why his T4 is high? Damaged thyroid spilling it into the blood? I looked on the internet and am not clear. Should NO anti-bodies should be present in the normal condition. The doctor is not concerned (as usual) and will probably wait until he is bed-ridden before he acknowledges a problem. If the test are fine the patient is fine, I guess. Could he not be presenting with early Hashimotos? He is waiting on test kits to arrive from overseas before sending of a saliva test for his adrenals (cortisol saliva test) as we can't do it properly here. He doesn't want to start adrenal support before. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dean it does look like Hashimotos. Hashi's doesn't always present with low thyroid levels in the beginning. It will continue to " attack " until he crashes and burns. That's what happened to my GF and now she is on 5 grains of armour and still feeling bad. Her adrenals are shot. Your adrenals pick up the slack and they get burned out. An easy thing he can do to check his adrenals is to take his temperatures. Dr. Rind www.drrind.com has some excel charts that can be used to chart it. He explains what each type of charting means - ie " low temps consistently, low and bouncing, low and high " and more. Just read through the information. It will tell you when the lowest point is for your adrenals. I was feeling really tired around 6 pm and feeling tingling in my mid back which is where the adrenal vertebrae is. I have discovered that my temps go from 98.6 to 97 around 6-7 pm. This signals adrenal fatigue. If your friend has mercury issues as well, the mercury inhibits the hormones from getting into the cells. This means that his labs could look normal - which is what they do - but he is not getting enough to maintain what he needs. I have this while chelating. When not chelating I am on 4 grains but when I chelate I have to step it up to 4 1/2 grains (I have no thyroid due to cancer / removal). My Dr is easy to work with and allows me to increase my meds based on how I felt. When I chelated we took labs when I got really tired and my FT3 had dropped 80 pts! Conversion of T4 to T3 happens in the liver too so when you have metal issues this is compromised as well. He also may be having iron issues. Has he checked his iron/ferritin? When they are low people have issues with thyroid hormones as well. I hope this helps! LMK if you need more info. Thyroid is my specialty! I had to learn about my own thyroid to save my life. My Drs were literally killing me! Thyroid Antibodies HI All, I looking at the blood test results of a client of mine and have no experience in interpreting them. He has symptoms of adrenal fatigue and low thyroid. These are confirmed by his hair test: Number 29 http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html He also has high mercury and has yet to remove his amalgams, but wanted to get his thyroid and adrenals ready for the ordeal. The Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, Potassium are a little tricky to interpret and don't have a standard presentation according to Andy's work. His potassium and sodium are down indicating an exhaustion response (according to Dr ). But his calcium and magnesium head off in different directions, although still in the normal range. What does this mean? He has low Na/Mg ration of 0.33 (adrenals weak with low adrenaline production) and K/Ca is 0.10 indicating thyroid is out. His other thyroid indicator Na/K is within range. Anyway, despite him being exhausted and knowing something is seriously wrong his doctor did all the tests and pronounced him normal and well (as they do). So I'm trying to help him figure out what is going on. His blood tests read: Free T3 - 5.1 (3.8 - 6.0 pmol/L) Free T4 - 12 (7.2 - 15.2pmol/L) S-TSH - 1.33 (0.37 - 5.50 mIU/L) Thyroid Antibodies (i) Thyroid Peroxidase Ab 41 (0 - 60IU/ml) (ii) Thyroglobulin Ab 25.7 (0 - 60IU/ml) DHEA-S - 6.32 (2.41 - 11.6umol/L) T-Testosterone - 14.2 (9.9 - 27.8nmol/L) The lab test says presence of thyroid antibodies could indicate auto-immune thyroid disease like Hashimotos. Perhaps that is why his T4 is high? Damaged thyroid spilling it into the blood? I looked on the internet and am not clear. Should NO anti-bodies should be present in the normal condition. The doctor is not concerned (as usual) and will probably wait until he is bed-ridden before he acknowledges a problem. If the test are fine the patient is fine, I guess. Could he not be presenting with early Hashimotos? He is waiting on test kits to arrive from overseas before sending of a saliva test for his adrenals (cortisol saliva test) as we can't do it properly here. He doesn't want to start adrenal support before. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dean it does look like Hashimotos. Hashi's doesn't always present with low thyroid levels in the beginning. It will continue to " attack " until he crashes and burns. That's what happened to my GF and now she is on 5 grains of armour and still feeling bad. Her adrenals are shot. Your adrenals pick up the slack and they get burned out. An easy thing he can do to check his adrenals is to take his temperatures. Dr. Rind www.drrind.com has some excel charts that can be used to chart it. He explains what each type of charting means - ie " low temps consistently, low and bouncing, low and high " and more. Just read through the information. It will tell you when the lowest point is for your adrenals. I was feeling really tired around 6 pm and feeling tingling in my mid back which is where the adrenal vertebrae is. I have discovered that my temps go from 98.6 to 97 around 6-7 pm. This signals adrenal fatigue. If your friend has mercury issues as well, the mercury inhibits the hormones from getting into the cells. This means that his labs could look normal - which is what they do - but he is not getting enough to maintain what he needs. I have this while chelating. When not chelating I am on 4 grains but when I chelate I have to step it up to 4 1/2 grains (I have no thyroid due to cancer / removal). My Dr is easy to work with and allows me to increase my meds based on how I felt. When I chelated we took labs when I got really tired and my FT3 had dropped 80 pts! Conversion of T4 to T3 happens in the liver too so when you have metal issues this is compromised as well. He also may be having iron issues. Has he checked his iron/ferritin? When they are low people have issues with thyroid hormones as well. I hope this helps! LMK if you need more info. Thyroid is my specialty! I had to learn about my own thyroid to save my life. My Drs were literally killing me! Thyroid Antibodies HI All, I looking at the blood test results of a client of mine and have no experience in interpreting them. He has symptoms of adrenal fatigue and low thyroid. These are confirmed by his hair test: Number 29 http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html He also has high mercury and has yet to remove his amalgams, but wanted to get his thyroid and adrenals ready for the ordeal. The Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, Potassium are a little tricky to interpret and don't have a standard presentation according to Andy's work. His potassium and sodium are down indicating an exhaustion response (according to Dr ). But his calcium and magnesium head off in different directions, although still in the normal range. What does this mean? He has low Na/Mg ration of 0.33 (adrenals weak with low adrenaline production) and K/Ca is 0.10 indicating thyroid is out. His other thyroid indicator Na/K is within range. Anyway, despite him being exhausted and knowing something is seriously wrong his doctor did all the tests and pronounced him normal and well (as they do). So I'm trying to help him figure out what is going on. His blood tests read: Free T3 - 5.1 (3.8 - 6.0 pmol/L) Free T4 - 12 (7.2 - 15.2pmol/L) S-TSH - 1.33 (0.37 - 5.50 mIU/L) Thyroid Antibodies (i) Thyroid Peroxidase Ab 41 (0 - 60IU/ml) (ii) Thyroglobulin Ab 25.7 (0 - 60IU/ml) DHEA-S - 6.32 (2.41 - 11.6umol/L) T-Testosterone - 14.2 (9.9 - 27.8nmol/L) The lab test says presence of thyroid antibodies could indicate auto-immune thyroid disease like Hashimotos. Perhaps that is why his T4 is high? Damaged thyroid spilling it into the blood? I looked on the internet and am not clear. Should NO anti-bodies should be present in the normal condition. The doctor is not concerned (as usual) and will probably wait until he is bed-ridden before he acknowledges a problem. If the test are fine the patient is fine, I guess. Could he not be presenting with early Hashimotos? He is waiting on test kits to arrive from overseas before sending of a saliva test for his adrenals (cortisol saliva test) as we can't do it properly here. He doesn't want to start adrenal support before. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 -Hashi's seems to go hand in hand with amalgam fillings. Mercury loves to kill the thyroid. My dad sounds exactly like your friend. Had lots of fillings. Gradual health decline. Ended up with Hashimotos', so did my mom. Both have fillings. My dad ended up losing his thryoid to cancer. Which mercury causes in thyroids. Most doctors pretty much ignore things like this. So what they are telling him is typical for regular doctors. He may wish to see someone else. Or get Andy's book. If he has fillings, adrenal fatigue and thyroid problems are a given. And mercury in the body causes autoimmune dysfunction. There is no time like the now to get those fillings out. He can work on adrenal and thyroid support at the same time or after. But it is not likely he will improve much trying to treat the problem without addressing the cause. He may wish to try a natural thing for adrenal support called Adrenal Cortex Extract. AT least for now. He can always go to scripts after removal if it doesn't help. Same with the thyroid. His t levels are not going to be an accurate indicator of what is going on. High t-4 is because his body is making it but it cannot use it due to mercury interference. Mercury interfers with endocrine functions. The body will make thyroid hormones, but cannot utilize them, and will prompt to make more thyroid etc. until you burn it out. -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " DeanNetwork " wrote: > > HI All, > > I looking at the blood test results of a client of mine and have no experience in interpreting them. He has symptoms of adrenal fatigue and low thyroid. These are confirmed by his hair test: Number 29 > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html > He also has high mercury and has yet to remove his amalgams, but wanted to get his thyroid and adrenals ready for the ordeal. > > The Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, Potassium are a little tricky to interpret and don't have a standard presentation according to Andy's work. > His potassium and sodium are down indicating an exhaustion response (according to Dr ). > But his calcium and magnesium head off in different directions, although still in the normal range. What does this mean? > He has low Na/Mg ration of 0.33 (adrenals weak with low adrenaline production) and K/Ca is 0.10 indicating thyroid is out. His other thyroid indicator Na/K is within range. > > Anyway, despite him being exhausted and knowing something is seriously wrong his doctor did all the tests and pronounced him normal and well (as they do). So I'm trying to help him figure out what is going on. > > His blood tests read: > > Free T3 - 5.1 (3.8 - 6.0 pmol/L) > Free T4 - 12 (7.2 - 15.2pmol/L) > S-TSH - 1.33 (0.37 - 5.50 mIU/L) > > Thyroid Antibodies > (i) Thyroid Peroxidase Ab 41 (0 - 60IU/ml) > (ii) Thyroglobulin Ab 25.7 (0 - 60IU/ml) > > DHEA-S - 6.32 (2.41 - 11.6umol/L) > T-Testosterone - 14.2 (9.9 - 27.8nmol/L) > > > The lab test says presence of thyroid antibodies could indicate auto-immune thyroid disease like Hashimotos. Perhaps that is why his T4 is high? Damaged thyroid spilling it into the blood? > > I looked on the internet and am not clear. Should NO anti-bodies should be present in the normal condition. The doctor is not concerned (as usual) and will probably wait until he is bed-ridden before he acknowledges a problem. If the test are fine the patient is fine, I guess. > Could he not be presenting with early Hashimotos? > > He is waiting on test kits to arrive from overseas before sending of a saliva test for his adrenals (cortisol saliva test) as we can't do it properly here. He doesn't want to start adrenal support before. > > Thanks, > Dean > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 > > I had the Canary Club saliva hormone test and got back a positive > result for thyroid microsomal antibodies. Anybody know if these > saliva thyroid tests are reliable, particularly the antibodies? > > What is the difference between microsomal antibodies and anti-TPO > or anti-TG antibodies? I have always had negative results on the > latter two. > > -- > ====================== , Please post this question on the Natural Thyroid Hormone group. The women there (especially Val) are very knowledgable. They also answer posts very quickly. I believe they feel the canary tests are very reliable. You might want to consider taking Armour - it has helped alot of women over there - some of the before and after photos that are posted are nothing short of miraculous. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 > > I had the Canary Club saliva hormone test and got back a positive > result for thyroid microsomal antibodies. Anybody know if these > saliva thyroid tests are reliable, particularly the antibodies? > > What is the difference between microsomal antibodies and anti-TPO > or anti-TG antibodies? I have always had negative results on the > latter two. > > -- > ====================== , Please post this question on the Natural Thyroid Hormone group. The women there (especially Val) are very knowledgable. They also answer posts very quickly. I believe they feel the canary tests are very reliable. You might want to consider taking Armour - it has helped alot of women over there - some of the before and after photos that are posted are nothing short of miraculous. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 > > > > I had the Canary Club saliva hormone test and got back a positive > > result for thyroid microsomal antibodies. Anybody know if these > > saliva thyroid tests are reliable, particularly the antibodies? > > > > What is the difference between microsomal antibodies and anti-TPO > > or anti-TG antibodies? I have always had negative results on the > > latter two. > > > > -- > > > ====================== > > , > > Please post this question on the Natural Thyroid Hormone group. > The women there (especially Val) are very knowledgable. They also > answer posts very quickly. I believe they feel the canary tests are > very reliable. You might want to consider taking Armour - it has > helped alot of women over there - some of the before and after > photos that are posted are nothing short of miraculous. > > Val I already posted over there. Val answered part of my question (the part I already knew - that I may need some Armour) but not the part about antibodies. I have been considering taking Armour for a long time, but very uneasy about it based on my reaction to other hormones. Also uneasy about taking it with a positive antibody result. I was hoping someone here would know about the antibody issue. I should search the archives on NTH - might be something there. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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