Re: feeling suicidal after a round of DMSA

[Guest guest]

Hi, sorry to hear you're feeling really bad. Yes it sounds like it

could be because you increased your dose. I can relate to that, I have

felt like that a few times and with me I believe its down to low

thyroid and also low cortisol and if you are low in one hormone it will

affect the other. Are you taking anything to support your glands?

This is really important and can really help to alleviate the low

feelings and make you feel you can cope much better. You might find you

can tolerate a higher dose with thyroid and adrenal support.

Take care,

Anne

>

> Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3 months at

> only 6mg.

> I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the last

> round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant stop

> crying. Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

> Can someone help me, thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3 months at

> only 6mg.

> I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the last

> round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant stop

> crying.

Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

TK--- Yes, it will go away please hang on and increase the recommended

supplements, if you feel you need more help please ask and talk with

someone.

> Can someone help me, thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3 months at

> only 6mg.

> I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the last

> round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant stop

> crying.

Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

TK--- Yes, it will go away please hang on and increase the recommended

supplements, if you feel you need more help please ask and talk with

someone.

> Can someone help me, thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3 months at

> only 6mg.

> I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the last

> round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant stop

> crying.

Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

TK--- Yes, it will go away please hang on and increase the recommended

supplements, if you feel you need more help please ask and talk with

someone.

> Can someone help me, thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3

months at

> > only 6mg.

> > I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the

last

> > round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> > suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant

stop

> > crying.

>

>

>

> Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

>

>

> TK--- Yes, it will go away please hang on and increase the

recommended

> supplements, if you feel you need more help please ask and talk

with

> someone.

>

>

>

> > Can someone help me, thanks.

> >

>

Thankyou Anne & TK I will up my dose of HC, i take only 15mg.

I only have 10% of my thyroid left, i had operation to remove it, so

i take 4 grains Armour at the moment.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3

months at

> > only 6mg.

> > I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the

last

> > round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> > suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant

stop

> > crying.

>

>

>

> Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

>

>

> TK--- Yes, it will go away please hang on and increase the

recommended

> supplements, if you feel you need more help please ask and talk

with

> someone.

>

>

>

> > Can someone help me, thanks.

> >

>

Thankyou Anne & TK I will up my dose of HC, i take only 15mg.

I only have 10% of my thyroid left, i had operation to remove it, so

i take 4 grains Armour at the moment.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3

months at

> > only 6mg.

> > I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the

last

> > round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> > suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant

stop

> > crying.

>

>

>

> Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

>

>

> TK--- Yes, it will go away please hang on and increase the

recommended

> supplements, if you feel you need more help please ask and talk

with

> someone.

>

>

>

> > Can someone help me, thanks.

> >

>

Thankyou Anne & TK I will up my dose of HC, i take only 15mg.

I only have 10% of my thyroid left, i had operation to remove it, so

i take 4 grains Armour at the moment.

[Guest guest]

>

> One of my first saliva cortisol tests I had LOW cortisol HIGH DHEA

(off

> the chart) obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. Second saliva test

(of

> another hormone testosterone) still high DHEA. I have high copper

that

> is consistant with the adrenal fatigue and a clear low adrenal

> indicator on a DDI hair test. What does this mean? I was thinking it

> is possible that this means that my basic brain signaling ACTH is

> intact because of the high DHEA but my adrenals themselves are shot.

That sounds reasonable. Perhaps toxins (e. g. mercury) are blocking

the

cortisol branch of

steroid synthesis but not the DHEA branch.

Lots of adrenal cortex will probably help.

Males can ignore high DHEA, females generally find it bothersome and

children

need it

controlled.

>

> Anyone?

"

[Guest guest]

>

> One of my first saliva cortisol tests I had LOW cortisol HIGH DHEA

(off

> the chart) obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. Second saliva test

(of

> another hormone testosterone) still high DHEA. I have high copper

that

> is consistant with the adrenal fatigue and a clear low adrenal

> indicator on a DDI hair test. What does this mean? I was thinking it

> is possible that this means that my basic brain signaling ACTH is

> intact because of the high DHEA but my adrenals themselves are shot.

That sounds reasonable. Perhaps toxins (e. g. mercury) are blocking

the

cortisol branch of

steroid synthesis but not the DHEA branch.

Lots of adrenal cortex will probably help.

Males can ignore high DHEA, females generally find it bothersome and

children

need it

controlled.

>

> Anyone?

"

[Guest guest]

>

> One of my first saliva cortisol tests I had LOW cortisol HIGH DHEA

(off

> the chart) obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. Second saliva test

(of

> another hormone testosterone) still high DHEA. I have high copper

that

> is consistant with the adrenal fatigue and a clear low adrenal

> indicator on a DDI hair test. What does this mean? I was thinking it

> is possible that this means that my basic brain signaling ACTH is

> intact because of the high DHEA but my adrenals themselves are shot.

That sounds reasonable. Perhaps toxins (e. g. mercury) are blocking

the

cortisol branch of

steroid synthesis but not the DHEA branch.

Lots of adrenal cortex will probably help.

Males can ignore high DHEA, females generally find it bothersome and

children

need it

controlled.

>

> Anyone?

"

[Guest guest]

> >

> > One of my first saliva cortisol tests I had LOW cortisol HIGH

DHEA

> (off

> > the chart) obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. Second saliva

test

> (of

> > another hormone testosterone) still high DHEA. I have high

copper

> that

> > is consistant with the adrenal fatigue and a clear low adrenal

> > indicator on a DDI hair test. What does this mean? I was

thinking it

> > is possible that this means that my basic brain signaling ACTH is

> > intact because of the high DHEA but my adrenals themselves are

shot.

>

> That sounds reasonable. Perhaps toxins (e. g. mercury) are

blocking

> the

> cortisol branch of

> steroid synthesis but not the DHEA branch.

>

> Lots of adrenal cortex will probably help.

>

> Males can ignore high DHEA, females generally find it bothersome

and

> children

> need it

> controlled.

> >

> > Anyone?

> "

>

Thanks for the info, i will up my dose of HC, its probably not

enough.

Im gradually building up the Armour, only started 2 mths ago, before

that i was on T4 which didnt work for 13yrs.

[Guest guest]

You can call or email me...it has happened to me before. Just

remember it WILL pass, and you are not REALLY suicidal, it is just

the chemicals dong it to you temporarily.

~Inga

I sent my phone number privately....

> >

> > One of my first saliva cortisol tests I had LOW cortisol HIGH

DHEA

> (off

> > the chart) obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. Second saliva

test

> (of

> > another hormone testosterone) still high DHEA. I have high

copper

> that

> > is consistant with the adrenal fatigue and a clear low adrenal

> > indicator on a DDI hair test. What does this mean? I was

thinking it

> > is possible that this means that my basic brain signaling ACTH is

> > intact because of the high DHEA but my adrenals themselves are

shot.

>

> That sounds reasonable. Perhaps toxins (e. g. mercury) are

blocking

> the

> cortisol branch of

> steroid synthesis but not the DHEA branch.

>

> Lots of adrenal cortex will probably help.

>

> Males can ignore high DHEA, females generally find it bothersome

and

> children

> need it

> controlled.

> >

> > Anyone?

> "

>

Thanks for the info, i will up my dose of HC, its probably not

enough.

Im gradually building up the Armour, only started 2 mths ago, before

that i was on T4 which didnt work for 13yrs.

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > One of my first saliva cortisol tests I had LOW cortisol HIGH

> DHEA

> > (off

> > > the chart) obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. Second saliva

> test

> > (of

> > > another hormone testosterone) still high DHEA. I have high

> copper

> > that

> > > is consistant with the adrenal fatigue and a clear low adrenal

> > > indicator on a DDI hair test. What does this mean? I was

> thinking it

> > > is possible that this means that my basic brain signaling

ACTH is

> > > intact because of the high DHEA but my adrenals themselves are

> shot.

> >

> > That sounds reasonable. Perhaps toxins (e. g. mercury) are

> blocking

> > the

> > cortisol branch of

> > steroid synthesis but not the DHEA branch.

> >

> > Lots of adrenal cortex will probably help.

> >

> > Males can ignore high DHEA, females generally find it bothersome

> and

> > children

> > need it

> > controlled.

> > >

> > > Anyone?

> > "

> >

> Thanks for the info, i will up my dose of HC, its probably not

> enough.

> Im gradually building up the Armour, only started 2 mths ago,

before

> that i was on T4 which didnt work for 13yrs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > One of my first saliva cortisol tests I had LOW cortisol HIGH

> DHEA

> > (off

> > > the chart) obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. Second saliva

> test

> > (of

> > > another hormone testosterone) still high DHEA. I have high

> copper

> > that

> > > is consistant with the adrenal fatigue and a clear low adrenal

> > > indicator on a DDI hair test. What does this mean? I was

> thinking it

> > > is possible that this means that my basic brain signaling

ACTH is

> > > intact because of the high DHEA but my adrenals themselves are

> shot.

> >

> > That sounds reasonable. Perhaps toxins (e. g. mercury) are

> blocking

> > the

> > cortisol branch of

> > steroid synthesis but not the DHEA branch.

> >

> > Lots of adrenal cortex will probably help.

> >

> > Males can ignore high DHEA, females generally find it bothersome

> and

> > children

> > need it

> > controlled.

> > >

> > > Anyone?

> > "

> >

> Thanks for the info, i will up my dose of HC, its probably not

> enough.

> Im gradually building up the Armour, only started 2 mths ago,

before

> that i was on T4 which didnt work for 13yrs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jack your vitamin C way up....like take 1000mg every four hours.

This helped me alot. And get to a sauna..do live near one, or have

one at the gym you can use? If not then sweat...a lot...

I find that when I feel like this if I go work out for 30 minutes so

I am pouring sweat them hit the sauna..it goes away soon after. You

can always take an epsom bath too. Or make a sauna in your bathroom,

run the hot shower...steam it up good in there..and just sweat all

that junk out.

I have this problem at the end of every round. Try to sleep too,

and keep telling yourself..it's just the metals talking..it's not

really me..it will go away!

I get this way too, I get moody, and cry and get irritated, and

mean...and just insain!

> >

[Guest guest]

Jack your vitamin C way up....like take 1000mg every four hours.

This helped me alot. And get to a sauna..do live near one, or have

one at the gym you can use? If not then sweat...a lot...

I find that when I feel like this if I go work out for 30 minutes so

I am pouring sweat them hit the sauna..it goes away soon after. You

can always take an epsom bath too. Or make a sauna in your bathroom,

run the hot shower...steam it up good in there..and just sweat all

that junk out.

I have this problem at the end of every round. Try to sleep too,

and keep telling yourself..it's just the metals talking..it's not

really me..it will go away!

I get this way too, I get moody, and cry and get irritated, and

mean...and just insain!

> >

[Guest guest]

Dawn - I had a similar experience after almost 3 months of DMSA. When

I added ALA, the depression/suicidal thoughts went away within 2

hours. I think that I had brought the level of mercury down in my

body with the DMSA, and mercury started trying to move out of my brain

to establish equilibrium. But without a chelator that could cross the

blood-brain barrier and hold onto it (ALA), I got depressed.

Depression has been one of my major symptoms from mercury toxicity.

If you're not already taking an antidepressant, I recommend

selegiline, which Andy discusses. I take it in combination with

phenylalanine. You can read more about that on the web. I was taking

it before I knew I had mercury toxicity, and have had to increase the

dose recently with chelation. I now get depressed again when I go off

a round, and am trying longer rounds.

>

> Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3 months

at

> only 6mg.

> I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the last

> round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant stop

> crying. Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

> Can someone help me, thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn - I had a similar experience after almost 3 months of DMSA. When

I added ALA, the depression/suicidal thoughts went away within 2

hours. I think that I had brought the level of mercury down in my

body with the DMSA, and mercury started trying to move out of my brain

to establish equilibrium. But without a chelator that could cross the

blood-brain barrier and hold onto it (ALA), I got depressed.

Depression has been one of my major symptoms from mercury toxicity.

If you're not already taking an antidepressant, I recommend

selegiline, which Andy discusses. I take it in combination with

phenylalanine. You can read more about that on the web. I was taking

it before I knew I had mercury toxicity, and have had to increase the

dose recently with chelation. I now get depressed again when I go off

a round, and am trying longer rounds.

>

> Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3 months

at

> only 6mg.

> I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the last

> round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant stop

> crying. Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

> Can someone help me, thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn - I had a similar experience after almost 3 months of DMSA. When

I added ALA, the depression/suicidal thoughts went away within 2

hours. I think that I had brought the level of mercury down in my

body with the DMSA, and mercury started trying to move out of my brain

to establish equilibrium. But without a chelator that could cross the

blood-brain barrier and hold onto it (ALA), I got depressed.

Depression has been one of my major symptoms from mercury toxicity.

If you're not already taking an antidepressant, I recommend

selegiline, which Andy discusses. I take it in combination with

phenylalanine. You can read more about that on the web. I was taking

it before I knew I had mercury toxicity, and have had to increase the

dose recently with chelation. I now get depressed again when I go off

a round, and am trying longer rounds.

>

> Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3 months

at

> only 6mg.

> I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the last

> round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant stop

> crying. Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

> Can someone help me, thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3

months

> at

> > only 6mg.

> > I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the

last

> > round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> > suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant

stop

> > crying. Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

> > Can someone help me, thanks.

> >

>

Thanks Deborah, yes unfortunatly, depression and anxiety are my main

symptoms and they can come and go and it gets really scary.

I was wondering when to start Ala, i have only been using DMSA 3

mths at low doses. Il have a read about that antidepressant you

mentioned, thanks, Dawn.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi, i have been doing 3 day rounds every 4hrs of DMSA for 3

months

> at

> > only 6mg.

> > I was feeling quite good but then i upped my dose to 8mg the

last

> > round and the last day of the round and 3 days later im feeling

> > suicidal, also my tinnitus has gone through the roof and cant

stop

> > crying. Im a complete mess, is it because i upped my dose?

> > Can someone help me, thanks.

> >

>

Thanks Deborah, yes unfortunatly, depression and anxiety are my main

symptoms and they can come and go and it gets really scary.

I was wondering when to start Ala, i have only been using DMSA 3

mths at low doses. Il have a read about that antidepressant you

mentioned, thanks, Dawn.