Re: An introduction...(probably not my first)

[Guest guest]

> I went to a couple hundred NA meetings in different parts of New

Jersey, and

> I never once saw anyone try to belittle anyone, or make anyone feel

> inferior. Mike.

A post on the About.com Alcoholism site includes the words " Any one in

NA is automatically an alcoholic, as alcohol is a drug. " Using this

argument, anyone addicted to anything is addicted to everything. Not

a personal putdown of anyone of course, but is it really of service to

make ppl think they are addicted to things that they arent? (This is

not the same issue as to whether they can safely use other drugs).

P.

[Guest guest]

> I went to a couple hundred NA meetings in different parts of New

Jersey, and

> I never once saw anyone try to belittle anyone, or make anyone feel

> inferior. Mike.

A post on the About.com Alcoholism site includes the words " Any one in

NA is automatically an alcoholic, as alcohol is a drug. " Using this

argument, anyone addicted to anything is addicted to everything. Not

a personal putdown of anyone of course, but is it really of service to

make ppl think they are addicted to things that they arent? (This is

not the same issue as to whether they can safely use other drugs).

P.

[Guest guest]

> I went to a couple hundred NA meetings in different parts of New

Jersey, and

> I never once saw anyone try to belittle anyone, or make anyone feel

> inferior. Mike.

A post on the About.com Alcoholism site includes the words " Any one in

NA is automatically an alcoholic, as alcohol is a drug. " Using this

argument, anyone addicted to anything is addicted to everything. Not

a personal putdown of anyone of course, but is it really of service to

make ppl think they are addicted to things that they arent? (This is

not the same issue as to whether they can safely use other drugs).

P.

[Guest guest]

>

> For what it's worth, I had lots of fears, but NONE of the bad

things

> came to pass. No confrontations, no kindaps and no relapses. <g>

>

> Good Luck,

>

> Mack

Mack,

Phew! That's a relief. I have nightmares (literally) about 12-

steppers physically breaking into my apartment to force me to go to a

meeting.

Holly

[Guest guest]

>

> For what it's worth, I had lots of fears, but NONE of the bad

things

> came to pass. No confrontations, no kindaps and no relapses. <g>

>

> Good Luck,

>

> Mack

Mack,

Phew! That's a relief. I have nightmares (literally) about 12-

steppers physically breaking into my apartment to force me to go to a

meeting.

Holly

[Guest guest]

> I truly hope you can wean yourself away from something that greatly

appears

> to frustrate you, and chip away at your sense of self-worth.

>

> You can stay sober without AA. I and others do it every day, week,

year,

> decade.

>

> --Mona--

I need to hear about others staying sober without AA once in a

while. I had a thought about perhaps going to a meeting tonight, but

I squashed it immediately. Ironic that the very organization that I

sought out for help is now the most frustrating, irritating,

demeaning and dehumanizing problem in my life right now. Thanks for

the encouragement.

[Guest guest]

> I truly hope you can wean yourself away from something that greatly

appears

> to frustrate you, and chip away at your sense of self-worth.

>

> You can stay sober without AA. I and others do it every day, week,

year,

> decade.

>

> --Mona--

I need to hear about others staying sober without AA once in a

while. I had a thought about perhaps going to a meeting tonight, but

I squashed it immediately. Ironic that the very organization that I

sought out for help is now the most frustrating, irritating,

demeaning and dehumanizing problem in my life right now. Thanks for

the encouragement.

[Guest guest]

> I went to a couple hundred NA meetings in different parts of New

Jersey, and

> I never once saw anyone try to belittle anyone, or make anyone feel

> inferior.

There is a poker sayng: If you cant see the sucker at the table, it's

you. Maybe if you cant see the bully at NA meetings, then...

On the About.com alcoholism board, someone posted: " Anyone who's an NA

is automatically an alcoholic because alcohol is a drug " . So anyone

addicted to anything is automatically addicted to everything? Not a

personal putdown, but not encouraging a healthy attitude imo.

P.

[Guest guest]

It 'belittles' a person to be forced, even indirectly, to attend an

asinine " spiritual " indoctrination service in the first place. Just cause

they didn't spit on you when you walked in the door means little.

(By the way, some 12-Step programs DO spit on you. The old Straight,

Inc., program had a procedure called 'spit therapy', in which all the

old-timers held down a recalcitrant newcomer and spit on him. Was supposed

to teach people to be 'powerless'.)

Re: An introduction...(probably not my first)

>

> > I went to a couple hundred NA meetings in different parts of New

> Jersey, and

> > I never once saw anyone try to belittle anyone, or make anyone feel

> > inferior.

>

> There is a poker sayng: If you cant see the sucker at the table, it's

> you. Maybe if you cant see the bully at NA meetings, then...

>

> On the About.com alcoholism board, someone posted: " Anyone who's an NA

> is automatically an alcoholic because alcohol is a drug " . So anyone

> addicted to anything is automatically addicted to everything? Not a

> personal putdown, but not encouraging a healthy attitude imo.

>

>

> P.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It 'belittles' a person to be forced, even indirectly, to attend an

asinine " spiritual " indoctrination service in the first place. Just cause

they didn't spit on you when you walked in the door means little.

(By the way, some 12-Step programs DO spit on you. The old Straight,

Inc., program had a procedure called 'spit therapy', in which all the

old-timers held down a recalcitrant newcomer and spit on him. Was supposed

to teach people to be 'powerless'.)

Re: An introduction...(probably not my first)

>

> > I went to a couple hundred NA meetings in different parts of New

> Jersey, and

> > I never once saw anyone try to belittle anyone, or make anyone feel

> > inferior.

>

> There is a poker sayng: If you cant see the sucker at the table, it's

> you. Maybe if you cant see the bully at NA meetings, then...

>

> On the About.com alcoholism board, someone posted: " Anyone who's an NA

> is automatically an alcoholic because alcohol is a drug " . So anyone

> addicted to anything is automatically addicted to everything? Not a

> personal putdown, but not encouraging a healthy attitude imo.

>

>

> P.

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