Re: Learned Helplessness, Spouse Abuse (long)

[Guest guest]

At 09:35 PM 5/16/01 +0000, you wrote:

>How wonderful that you are allowed to insist on it.

Hmmm. Just who do you think is " allowing " it?

[Guest guest]

At 09:35 PM 5/16/01 +0000, you wrote:

>How wonderful that you are allowed to insist on it.

Hmmm. Just who do you think is " allowing " it?

[Guest guest]

Society - culture - the laws.

> >How wonderful that you are allowed to insist on it.

>

> Hmmm. Just who do you think is " allowing " it?

[Guest guest]

At 07:24 PM 5/17/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Society - culture - the laws.

>

>

> > >How wonderful that you are allowed to insist on it.

> >

> > Hmmm. Just who do you think is " allowing " it?

Do you really believe that people only have principles when

someone else " allows " them to do so?

It's certainly true that *some* people only stand by their

principles when it's convenient, but are you sure it's true of

everyone?

[Guest guest]

I didn't think we were talking about principles, I thought we were

talking about asserting oneself when exercising options.

Law schools started admitting women in about 1970. Admissions didn't

nudge 50% women until ten years later. I know women who looked for

legal jobs who graduated before 1970, and simply could not find them.

Positions were open -- they didn't get them. Incidentally, that also

happened to Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the current USSCt justice. That's

the kind of thing I was talking about. What would you have done in

that situation? What would you have done if you had wanted to be an

engineer and women simply weren't admitted to engineering programs?

> > > >How wonderful that you are allowed to insist on it.

> > >

> > > Hmmm. Just who do you think is " allowing " it?

>

> Do you really believe that people only have principles when

> someone else " allows " them to do so?

>

> It's certainly true that *some* people only stand by their

> principles when it's convenient, but are you sure it's true of

> everyone?

[Guest guest]

I didn't think we were talking about principles, I thought we were

talking about asserting oneself when exercising options.

Law schools started admitting women in about 1970. Admissions didn't

nudge 50% women until ten years later. I know women who looked for

legal jobs who graduated before 1970, and simply could not find them.

Positions were open -- they didn't get them. Incidentally, that also

happened to Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the current USSCt justice. That's

the kind of thing I was talking about. What would you have done in

that situation? What would you have done if you had wanted to be an

engineer and women simply weren't admitted to engineering programs?

> > > >How wonderful that you are allowed to insist on it.

> > >

> > > Hmmm. Just who do you think is " allowing " it?

>

> Do you really believe that people only have principles when

> someone else " allows " them to do so?

>

> It's certainly true that *some* people only stand by their

> principles when it's convenient, but are you sure it's true of

> everyone?

[Guest guest]

I didn't think we were talking about principles, I thought we were

talking about asserting oneself when exercising options.

Law schools started admitting women in about 1970. Admissions didn't

nudge 50% women until ten years later. I know women who looked for

legal jobs who graduated before 1970, and simply could not find them.

Positions were open -- they didn't get them. Incidentally, that also

happened to Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the current USSCt justice. That's

the kind of thing I was talking about. What would you have done in

that situation? What would you have done if you had wanted to be an

engineer and women simply weren't admitted to engineering programs?

> > > >How wonderful that you are allowed to insist on it.

> > >

> > > Hmmm. Just who do you think is " allowing " it?

>

> Do you really believe that people only have principles when

> someone else " allows " them to do so?

>

> It's certainly true that *some* people only stand by their

> principles when it's convenient, but are you sure it's true of

> everyone?

[Guest guest]

Hello I am joining the discrimination debate late !

In 1963 when I was 16 I applied to do medicine , to cut a long story short . There were quotas for males and females . They had to have 15 % of women students , and the maximum anyone had was 25 % and that was rare . Just as many women as men applied , so only the very brightest women got places and a whole host of mediocre men !!!!!. I was asked at an interview why I didnt want to be a nurse !!!!!. The Sex Discrimination Act came into force in 1975 and that put paid to that sort of thing in medical recruitment , and now you get a place on merit not gender . My mother qualified as a dentist in 1938 , and was an officer in the RAF during the war . I read one of her references and one said that the highest accolade they could give her was that noone had complained about seeing a woman dentist ! I took a major Insurance Company to Court on a Sex Discrimination case in 1986 , but thats another story .

[Guest guest]

Hello I am joining the discrimination debate late !

In 1963 when I was 16 I applied to do medicine , to cut a long story short . There were quotas for males and females . They had to have 15 % of women students , and the maximum anyone had was 25 % and that was rare . Just as many women as men applied , so only the very brightest women got places and a whole host of mediocre men !!!!!. I was asked at an interview why I didnt want to be a nurse !!!!!. The Sex Discrimination Act came into force in 1975 and that put paid to that sort of thing in medical recruitment , and now you get a place on merit not gender . My mother qualified as a dentist in 1938 , and was an officer in the RAF during the war . I read one of her references and one said that the highest accolade they could give her was that noone had complained about seeing a woman dentist ! I took a major Insurance Company to Court on a Sex Discrimination case in 1986 , but thats another story .

[Guest guest]

Hello I am joining the discrimination debate late !

In 1963 when I was 16 I applied to do medicine , to cut a long story short . There were quotas for males and females . They had to have 15 % of women students , and the maximum anyone had was 25 % and that was rare . Just as many women as men applied , so only the very brightest women got places and a whole host of mediocre men !!!!!. I was asked at an interview why I didnt want to be a nurse !!!!!. The Sex Discrimination Act came into force in 1975 and that put paid to that sort of thing in medical recruitment , and now you get a place on merit not gender . My mother qualified as a dentist in 1938 , and was an officer in the RAF during the war . I read one of her references and one said that the highest accolade they could give her was that noone had complained about seeing a woman dentist ! I took a major Insurance Company to Court on a Sex Discrimination case in 1986 , but thats another story .

[Guest guest]

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I don't know how to unsubscribe. I came there in many respects by accident.

I made an attempt months ago to register, but then forgot about it. When

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flooded with mail.

RM

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>Subject: Re: Re: Learned Helplessness, Spouse Abuse (long)

>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 06:31:29 EDT

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