Re: No longer tolerate T4 in thyroid?

[Guest guest]

1) After years iof being on Armour generic thyroid, it seems as

thought I have become intolerant of it, and to be more precise, my

heart rate would go up and bang around from the slightest moving

around...I suspect probably the T-4. Based on a post of Andy's that

was kind enough to forward, I took the lead about how T4 makes

the heart go " thumpity-thump " and slowly finished weaning off of the

Armour and switched over to straight T3. As I reduced the Armour and

increased the straight T3, I seemed to gradually feel better until I

was just on T3 alone.

With just the T3 alone, I was doing better for a short period, but

after a little while, my adrenals got fried once again, so I had to

quit it and have now been trying to get back on the Armour, and once

again have added 10 mg of prednisolone to my regimen...only the same

thing is happening. In years past, I used to be able to pop several

grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the rapid

heart beat is returning and is especially noticeable in the mornings

while still in bed.

Here is the interesting thing: on straight T3, my temps are quite

close to normal, whereas on Armour, no matter how much or little I

take, my temps are always considerably low.

Comments?

----------

2) Also, does mercury additionally cause low body temperatures apart

from low thyroid, or is it the low thyroid effect that causes the low

body temperatures, which are then in turn attributed to the mercury

toxicity?

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

.... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your adrenals

got fried?

Kai

Re: No longer tolerate T4 in thyroid?

1) After years iof being on Armour generic thyroid, it seems as

thought I have become intolerant of it, and to be more precise, my

heart rate would go up and bang around from the slightest moving

around...I suspect probably the T-4. Based on a post of Andy's that

was kind enough to forward, I took the lead about how T4 makes

the heart go " thumpity-thump " and slowly finished weaning off of the

Armour and switched over to straight T3. As I reduced the Armour and

increased the straight T3, I seemed to gradually feel better until I

was just on T3 alone.

With just the T3 alone, I was doing better for a short period, but

after a little while, my adrenals got fried once again, so I had to

quit it and have now been trying to get back on the Armour, and once

again have added 10 mg of prednisolone to my regimen...only the same

thing is happening. In years past, I used to be able to pop several

grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the rapid

heart beat is returning and is especially noticeable in the mornings

while still in bed.

Here is the interesting thing: on straight T3, my temps are quite

close to normal, whereas on Armour, no matter how much or little I

take, my temps are always considerably low.

Comments?

----------

2) Also, does mercury additionally cause low body temperatures apart

from low thyroid, or is it the low thyroid effect that causes the low

body temperatures, which are then in turn attributed to the mercury

toxicity?

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

.... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your adrenals

got fried?

Kai

Re: No longer tolerate T4 in thyroid?

1) After years iof being on Armour generic thyroid, it seems as

thought I have become intolerant of it, and to be more precise, my

heart rate would go up and bang around from the slightest moving

around...I suspect probably the T-4. Based on a post of Andy's that

was kind enough to forward, I took the lead about how T4 makes

the heart go " thumpity-thump " and slowly finished weaning off of the

Armour and switched over to straight T3. As I reduced the Armour and

increased the straight T3, I seemed to gradually feel better until I

was just on T3 alone.

With just the T3 alone, I was doing better for a short period, but

after a little while, my adrenals got fried once again, so I had to

quit it and have now been trying to get back on the Armour, and once

again have added 10 mg of prednisolone to my regimen...only the same

thing is happening. In years past, I used to be able to pop several

grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the rapid

heart beat is returning and is especially noticeable in the mornings

while still in bed.

Here is the interesting thing: on straight T3, my temps are quite

close to normal, whereas on Armour, no matter how much or little I

take, my temps are always considerably low.

Comments?

----------

2) Also, does mercury additionally cause low body temperatures apart

from low thyroid, or is it the low thyroid effect that causes the low

body temperatures, which are then in turn attributed to the mercury

toxicity?

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

.... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your adrenals

got fried?

Kai

Re: No longer tolerate T4 in thyroid?

1) After years iof being on Armour generic thyroid, it seems as

thought I have become intolerant of it, and to be more precise, my

heart rate would go up and bang around from the slightest moving

around...I suspect probably the T-4. Based on a post of Andy's that

was kind enough to forward, I took the lead about how T4 makes

the heart go " thumpity-thump " and slowly finished weaning off of the

Armour and switched over to straight T3. As I reduced the Armour and

increased the straight T3, I seemed to gradually feel better until I

was just on T3 alone.

With just the T3 alone, I was doing better for a short period, but

after a little while, my adrenals got fried once again, so I had to

quit it and have now been trying to get back on the Armour, and once

again have added 10 mg of prednisolone to my regimen...only the same

thing is happening. In years past, I used to be able to pop several

grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the rapid

heart beat is returning and is especially noticeable in the mornings

while still in bed.

Here is the interesting thing: on straight T3, my temps are quite

close to normal, whereas on Armour, no matter how much or little I

take, my temps are always considerably low.

Comments?

----------

2) Also, does mercury additionally cause low body temperatures apart

from low thyroid, or is it the low thyroid effect that causes the low

body temperatures, which are then in turn attributed to the mercury

toxicity?

Thanks,

Inga

[Guest guest]

Symptoms of adrenal fatigue and crisis. At one point, I was

completely off the corticosteroids and seemed okay and was

virtually allergy free.

Food allergies are back, and I have had several " attacks " , and maybe

even a panic attack ...or that may have been adrenal crisis. At

times, I am having trouble breathing (feels like weakness too) and

can not exert myself one little bit. For some reason, when this

happens, taking a hot shower helps to bring me back, even though my

body temps have not been that low.. Although I have not had any

glucose test strips on hand to confirm, I also feel hypoglycemic

quite frequently

~inga

> ... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

> Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your

> adrenals

> got fried?

> Kai

[Guest guest]

Symptoms of adrenal fatigue and crisis. At one point, I was

completely off the corticosteroids and seemed okay and was

virtually allergy free.

Food allergies are back, and I have had several " attacks " , and maybe

even a panic attack ...or that may have been adrenal crisis. At

times, I am having trouble breathing (feels like weakness too) and

can not exert myself one little bit. For some reason, when this

happens, taking a hot shower helps to bring me back, even though my

body temps have not been that low.. Although I have not had any

glucose test strips on hand to confirm, I also feel hypoglycemic

quite frequently

~inga

> ... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

> Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your

> adrenals

> got fried?

> Kai

[Guest guest]

Also....

.....once again, I became hard put to get to bed before 2:00-4:00 AM,

even though Iw as feelkng like collapsing upon laying down...... and

often sleeping 11-12 hours.

~Inga

> ... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

> Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your

> adrenals

> got fried?

> Kai

> -

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also....

.....once again, I became hard put to get to bed before 2:00-4:00 AM,

even though Iw as feelkng like collapsing upon laying down...... and

often sleeping 11-12 hours.

~Inga

> ... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

> Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your

> adrenals

> got fried?

> Kai

> -

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also....

.....once again, I became hard put to get to bed before 2:00-4:00 AM,

even though Iw as feelkng like collapsing upon laying down...... and

often sleeping 11-12 hours.

~Inga

> ... " my adrenals got fried again.... "

> Ingrid could you explain what you are experiencing if you say your

> adrenals

> got fried?

> Kai

> -

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

> With just the T3 alone, I was doing better for a short period, but

> after a little while, my adrenals got fried once again,

This is what happened with me on cytomel. Things settled down when I

switched to the sustained release T3. I still don't understand how

you can taper off things so quickly. I am sensitive to slight

fluctuations of dose of both the thyroid meds and cortef. I always

have to taper slowly and never get very far.....

I haven't been measuring my temperatures but found that I was

tolerating cold temperature very well (on just T3 and cortef) until I

overheated last summer and everything went out of whack again. Now

I'm having trouble tolerating cold temps (but I'm still out driving in

blizzards and digging cars out of snow banks, just not liking it much).

I used to be able to pop several

> grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the >

>rapid

> heart beat is returning

Maybe your T4 is adequate now and it is just the T3 that is having

dificulty getting made or transported to where it is needed. Just a

thought.

The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

breathing difficulty.

J

>

> 1) After years iof being on Armour generic thyroid, it seems as

> thought I have become intolerant of it, and to be more precise, my

> heart rate would go up and bang around from the slightest moving

> around...I suspect probably the T-4. Based on a post of Andy's that

> was kind enough to forward, I took the lead about how T4 makes

> the heart go " thumpity-thump " and slowly finished weaning off of the

> Armour and switched over to straight T3. As I reduced the Armour and

> increased the straight T3, I seemed to gradually feel better until I

> was just on T3 alone.

>

> With just the T3 alone, I was doing better for a short period, but

> after a little while, my adrenals got fried once again, so I had to

> quit it and have now been trying to get back on the Armour, and once

> again have added 10 mg of prednisolone to my regimen...only the same

> thing is happening. In years past, I used to be able to pop several

> grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the rapid

> heart beat is returning and is especially noticeable in the mornings

> while still in bed.

>

> Here is the interesting thing: on straight T3, my temps are quite

> close to normal, whereas on Armour, no matter how much or little I

> take, my temps are always considerably low.

>

> Comments?

> ----------

>

> 2) Also, does mercury additionally cause low body temperatures apart

> from low thyroid, or is it the low thyroid effect that causes the low

> body temperatures, which are then in turn attributed to the mercury

> toxicity?

>

> Thanks,

> Inga

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I haven't been measuring my temperatures but found that I was

> tolerating cold temperature very well (on just T3 and cortef) until I

> overheated last summer and everything went out of whack again. Now

> I'm having trouble tolerating cold temps (but I'm still out driving in

> blizzards and digging cars out of snow banks, just not liking it

> much).

I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

the room.

>

> I used to be able to pop several

> > grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> > weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the >

> >rapid

> > heart beat is returning

>

> Maybe your T4 is adequate now and it is just the T3 that is having

> dificulty getting made or transported to where it is needed. Just a

> thought.

>

> The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> breathing difficulty.

But you DID have trouble breathing? Yesterday, I was trying to stay

calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

am coming back around again.

Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

fatigue, ? Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

symptoms...

Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

, are you still on large doses of HC? That is what i was trying

to avoid, as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

the Armour and taking HC. I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

pounding and it was pretty terrible. I was so glad to be off the

steroids and

Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

>

> I haven't been measuring my temperatures but found that I was

> tolerating cold temperature very well (on just T3 and cortef) until I

> overheated last summer and everything went out of whack again. Now

> I'm having trouble tolerating cold temps (but I'm still out driving in

> blizzards and digging cars out of snow banks, just not liking it

> much).

I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

the room.

>

> I used to be able to pop several

> > grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> > weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the >

> >rapid

> > heart beat is returning

>

> Maybe your T4 is adequate now and it is just the T3 that is having

> dificulty getting made or transported to where it is needed. Just a

> thought.

>

> The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> breathing difficulty.

But you DID have trouble breathing? Yesterday, I was trying to stay

calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

am coming back around again.

Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

fatigue, ? Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

symptoms...

Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

, are you still on large doses of HC? That is what i was trying

to avoid, as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

the Armour and taking HC. I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

pounding and it was pretty terrible. I was so glad to be off the

steroids and

Thanks,

tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

[Guest guest]

>

> I haven't been measuring my temperatures but found that I was

> tolerating cold temperature very well (on just T3 and cortef) until I

> overheated last summer and everything went out of whack again. Now

> I'm having trouble tolerating cold temps (but I'm still out driving in

> blizzards and digging cars out of snow banks, just not liking it

> much).

I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

the room.

>

> I used to be able to pop several

> > grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> > weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the >

> >rapid

> > heart beat is returning

>

> Maybe your T4 is adequate now and it is just the T3 that is having

> dificulty getting made or transported to where it is needed. Just a

> thought.

>

> The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> breathing difficulty.

But you DID have trouble breathing? Yesterday, I was trying to stay

calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

am coming back around again.

Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

fatigue, ? Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

symptoms...

Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

, are you still on large doses of HC? That is what i was trying

to avoid, as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

the Armour and taking HC. I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

pounding and it was pretty terrible. I was so glad to be off the

steroids and

Thanks,

tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

[Guest guest]

Hi Inga,

So sorry to hear you are having such troubles! Do you think it might have

anything to do with the EDTA you used for your heart condition? Just a thought.

Couple other comments below. I hope you get this figured out!------Jackie T>

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

>

> I haven't been measuring my temperatures but found that I was

> tolerating cold temperature very well (on just T3 and cortef) until I

> overheated last summer and everything went out of whack again. Now

> I'm having trouble tolerating cold temps (but I'm still out driving in

> blizzards and digging cars out of snow banks, just not liking it

> much).

I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

the room.

---------I have had very little energy this past week also. When I stand up

to walk, it just feels like theres barely anything there, energy-wise. I think

it is adrenal though, because I've just been through another stressful period

over Thanksgiving, and it seems each of those stressful times whacks my adrenals

again. And I finished a long round of chelation on Monday, and of course have

felt worse since.-------Jackie

>

> I used to be able to pop several

> > grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> > weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the >

> >rapid

> > heart beat is returning

>

> Maybe your T4 is adequate now and it is just the T3 that is having

> dificulty getting made or transported to where it is needed. Just a

> thought.

>

> The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> breathing difficulty.

But you DID have trouble breathing? Yesterday, I was trying to stay

calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

am coming back around again.

Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

fatigue, ? Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

symptoms...

----------I think I was having symptoms like that before I figured out I was

mercury poisoned. Becoming more and more anxious, heart pounding, etc. Not

sure if I ever had an actual panic attack, but I would say anxiety attacks. I

knew nothing about adrenals and HC back then. But with the physical

trauma/stress and emotional stress I have had this fall, I seem to be having

more anxiety again, and I do believe it is adrenal now, because I seem to need

much more cortisol than I did this summer. And I have tried stress dosing some

days, and it seems that some days I get it right and it helps alot, and other

days I don't get it just right. It's such a guessing game! So I would suggest

you try some HC to see if it helps, especially since you already have experience

with it. And maybe you have tried weaning yourself off of it totally too soon?

Just some thoughts.--------Jackie T>

Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

, are you still on large doses of HC? That is what i was trying

to avoid, as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

the Armour and taking HC. I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

pounding and it was pretty terrible. I was so glad to be off the

steroids and

Thanks,

tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

[Guest guest]

Hi Inga,

So sorry to hear you are having such troubles! Do you think it might have

anything to do with the EDTA you used for your heart condition? Just a thought.

Couple other comments below. I hope you get this figured out!------Jackie T>

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

>

> I haven't been measuring my temperatures but found that I was

> tolerating cold temperature very well (on just T3 and cortef) until I

> overheated last summer and everything went out of whack again. Now

> I'm having trouble tolerating cold temps (but I'm still out driving in

> blizzards and digging cars out of snow banks, just not liking it

> much).

I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

the room.

---------I have had very little energy this past week also. When I stand up

to walk, it just feels like theres barely anything there, energy-wise. I think

it is adrenal though, because I've just been through another stressful period

over Thanksgiving, and it seems each of those stressful times whacks my adrenals

again. And I finished a long round of chelation on Monday, and of course have

felt worse since.-------Jackie

>

> I used to be able to pop several

> > grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> > weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the >

> >rapid

> > heart beat is returning

>

> Maybe your T4 is adequate now and it is just the T3 that is having

> dificulty getting made or transported to where it is needed. Just a

> thought.

>

> The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> breathing difficulty.

But you DID have trouble breathing? Yesterday, I was trying to stay

calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

am coming back around again.

Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

fatigue, ? Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

symptoms...

----------I think I was having symptoms like that before I figured out I was

mercury poisoned. Becoming more and more anxious, heart pounding, etc. Not

sure if I ever had an actual panic attack, but I would say anxiety attacks. I

knew nothing about adrenals and HC back then. But with the physical

trauma/stress and emotional stress I have had this fall, I seem to be having

more anxiety again, and I do believe it is adrenal now, because I seem to need

much more cortisol than I did this summer. And I have tried stress dosing some

days, and it seems that some days I get it right and it helps alot, and other

days I don't get it just right. It's such a guessing game! So I would suggest

you try some HC to see if it helps, especially since you already have experience

with it. And maybe you have tried weaning yourself off of it totally too soon?

Just some thoughts.--------Jackie T>

Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

, are you still on large doses of HC? That is what i was trying

to avoid, as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

the Armour and taking HC. I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

pounding and it was pretty terrible. I was so glad to be off the

steroids and

Thanks,

tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

[Guest guest]

Hi Inga,

So sorry to hear you are having such troubles! Do you think it might have

anything to do with the EDTA you used for your heart condition? Just a thought.

Couple other comments below. I hope you get this figured out!------Jackie T>

In frequent-dose-chelation , Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

>

> I haven't been measuring my temperatures but found that I was

> tolerating cold temperature very well (on just T3 and cortef) until I

> overheated last summer and everything went out of whack again. Now

> I'm having trouble tolerating cold temps (but I'm still out driving in

> blizzards and digging cars out of snow banks, just not liking it

> much).

I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

the room.

---------I have had very little energy this past week also. When I stand up

to walk, it just feels like theres barely anything there, energy-wise. I think

it is adrenal though, because I've just been through another stressful period

over Thanksgiving, and it seems each of those stressful times whacks my adrenals

again. And I finished a long round of chelation on Monday, and of course have

felt worse since.-------Jackie

>

> I used to be able to pop several

> > grains of the stuff with no problem...never had to much worry about

> > weaning up or anything, but now that I went over 1/2 grain, the >

> >rapid

> > heart beat is returning

>

> Maybe your T4 is adequate now and it is just the T3 that is having

> dificulty getting made or transported to where it is needed. Just a

> thought.

>

> The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> breathing difficulty.

But you DID have trouble breathing? Yesterday, I was trying to stay

calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

am coming back around again.

Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

fatigue, ? Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

symptoms...

----------I think I was having symptoms like that before I figured out I was

mercury poisoned. Becoming more and more anxious, heart pounding, etc. Not

sure if I ever had an actual panic attack, but I would say anxiety attacks. I

knew nothing about adrenals and HC back then. But with the physical

trauma/stress and emotional stress I have had this fall, I seem to be having

more anxiety again, and I do believe it is adrenal now, because I seem to need

much more cortisol than I did this summer. And I have tried stress dosing some

days, and it seems that some days I get it right and it helps alot, and other

days I don't get it just right. It's such a guessing game! So I would suggest

you try some HC to see if it helps, especially since you already have experience

with it. And maybe you have tried weaning yourself off of it totally too soon?

Just some thoughts.--------Jackie T>

Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

, are you still on large doses of HC? That is what i was trying

to avoid, as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

the Armour and taking HC. I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

pounding and it was pretty terrible. I was so glad to be off the

steroids and

Thanks,

tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

[Guest guest]

> I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

> the room.

> >

I was like that sometimes before I got Cortef, but not every day.

> > The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> > have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> > of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> > Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> > breathing difficulty.

>

> But you DID have trouble breathing?

No. I have never had breathing difficulty.

> Yesterday, I was trying to stay

> calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

> myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

When I am having an anxiety attack I will do this too, but I'm not

having difficulty breathing, just focusing on deep breathing.

> Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

> am coming back around again.

> Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

> fatigue, ?

I think adrenal fatigue may be a factor and there may be other factors

as well.

Were you less stressed when you tapered off the cortef and more

stressed lately? I have heard of people who wean off of cortef but

still use it for stress and for infection. I have found that physical

stress takes about double the usual dose and psychological stress can

take triple.

Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

> symptoms...

>

> Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

> anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

>

>

>

>

> I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

> took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

> much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

>

> , are you still on large doses of HC?

Yes, more than 20, but still less than pharmacological doses. I have

been under extreme stress lately.

>That is what i was trying

> to avoid,

If I wanted to avoid taking so much HC, I would have to lie around all

day, and get nothing done. Trouble is that would only increase stress

levels. HC has been a real life saver for me.

as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

> the Armour and taking HC.

I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

> pounding and it was pretty terrible.

Is there any way that you could get a blood test for electrolytes when

you are having problems? And maybe have a doc listen to your heart

and lungs?

I was so glad to be off the

> steroids and

>

somehow the message got cut off here.

J

> Thanks,

>

> tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm jumping in here with a few comments below.---------Jackie T.

In frequent-dose-chelation lindajaytee wrote:

> I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

> the room.

> >

I was like that sometimes before I got Cortef, but not every day.

> > The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> > have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> > of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> > Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> > breathing difficulty.

>

> But you DID have trouble breathing?

No. I have never had breathing difficulty.

> Yesterday, I was trying to stay

> calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

> myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

When I am having an anxiety attack I will do this too, but I'm not

having difficulty breathing, just focusing on deep breathing.

------Inga, I think an anxiety or panic attack can make you *feel* like you're

having trouble breathing, but you probably actually aren't. Does your chest

feel tight? I think a panic attack can make you feel like you're going to die,

it can be very scary. I was getting to that point before amalgam

removal.--------Jackie T>

> Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

> am coming back around again.

> Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

> fatigue, ?

I think adrenal fatigue may be a factor and there may be other factors

as well.

Were you less stressed when you tapered off the cortef and more

stressed lately? I have heard of people who wean off of cortef but

still use it for stress and for infection. I have found that physical

stress takes about double the usual dose and psychological stress can

take triple.

-----------I am on the learning curve with this, but 's statement about

pshychological stress taking more than physical stress, I would have to agree

with. Emotional stress really seems to do a number on the adrenals when they

are weak. I was really surprised how much Isocort I could take after a very

emotionally upsetting week. I think I took the equivalent of 40-50mg of

cortisol one day, and felt good on that amount.---------Jackie T.

Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

> symptoms...

>

> Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

> anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

>

>

>

> I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

> took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

> much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

>

> , are you still on large doses of HC?

Yes, more than 20, but still less than pharmacological doses. I have

been under extreme stress lately.

>That is what i was trying

> to avoid,

If I wanted to avoid taking so much HC, I would have to lie around all

day, and get nothing done. Trouble is that would only increase stress

levels. HC has been a real life saver for me.

---------I would have to agree. I'd be scared to think where I'd be right now

if I didn't start using Isocort earlier this year. With all the physical and

emotional stress I have had this year, I would probably be dead or bed-ridden if

not for Isocort.--------Jackie .t

as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

> the Armour and taking HC.

I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

> pounding and it was pretty terrible.

Is there any way that you could get a blood test for electrolytes when

you are having problems? And maybe have a doc listen to your heart

and lungs?

I was so glad to be off the

> steroids and

>

somehow the message got cut off here.

J

> Thanks,

>

> tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm jumping in here with a few comments below.---------Jackie T.

In frequent-dose-chelation lindajaytee wrote:

> I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

> the room.

> >

I was like that sometimes before I got Cortef, but not every day.

> > The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> > have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> > of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> > Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> > breathing difficulty.

>

> But you DID have trouble breathing?

No. I have never had breathing difficulty.

> Yesterday, I was trying to stay

> calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

> myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

When I am having an anxiety attack I will do this too, but I'm not

having difficulty breathing, just focusing on deep breathing.

------Inga, I think an anxiety or panic attack can make you *feel* like you're

having trouble breathing, but you probably actually aren't. Does your chest

feel tight? I think a panic attack can make you feel like you're going to die,

it can be very scary. I was getting to that point before amalgam

removal.--------Jackie T>

> Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

> am coming back around again.

> Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

> fatigue, ?

I think adrenal fatigue may be a factor and there may be other factors

as well.

Were you less stressed when you tapered off the cortef and more

stressed lately? I have heard of people who wean off of cortef but

still use it for stress and for infection. I have found that physical

stress takes about double the usual dose and psychological stress can

take triple.

-----------I am on the learning curve with this, but 's statement about

pshychological stress taking more than physical stress, I would have to agree

with. Emotional stress really seems to do a number on the adrenals when they

are weak. I was really surprised how much Isocort I could take after a very

emotionally upsetting week. I think I took the equivalent of 40-50mg of

cortisol one day, and felt good on that amount.---------Jackie T.

Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

> symptoms...

>

> Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

> anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

>

>

>

> I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

> took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

> much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

>

> , are you still on large doses of HC?

Yes, more than 20, but still less than pharmacological doses. I have

been under extreme stress lately.

>That is what i was trying

> to avoid,

If I wanted to avoid taking so much HC, I would have to lie around all

day, and get nothing done. Trouble is that would only increase stress

levels. HC has been a real life saver for me.

---------I would have to agree. I'd be scared to think where I'd be right now

if I didn't start using Isocort earlier this year. With all the physical and

emotional stress I have had this year, I would probably be dead or bed-ridden if

not for Isocort.--------Jackie .t

as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

> the Armour and taking HC.

I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

> pounding and it was pretty terrible.

Is there any way that you could get a blood test for electrolytes when

you are having problems? And maybe have a doc listen to your heart

and lungs?

I was so glad to be off the

> steroids and

>

somehow the message got cut off here.

J

> Thanks,

>

> tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm jumping in here with a few comments below.---------Jackie T.

In frequent-dose-chelation lindajaytee wrote:

> I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

> the room.

> >

I was like that sometimes before I got Cortef, but not every day.

> > The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was because I

> > have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> > of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> > Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> > breathing difficulty.

>

> But you DID have trouble breathing?

No. I have never had breathing difficulty.

> Yesterday, I was trying to stay

> calm and relaxed...thinkin I might have panic disorder and I found

> myself breathing very slowly and deeply tryng to get through the day.

When I am having an anxiety attack I will do this too, but I'm not

having difficulty breathing, just focusing on deep breathing.

------Inga, I think an anxiety or panic attack can make you *feel* like you're

having trouble breathing, but you probably actually aren't. Does your chest

feel tight? I think a panic attack can make you feel like you're going to die,

it can be very scary. I was getting to that point before amalgam

removal.--------Jackie T>

> Today, I finally took more HC on top of the 2.5 mg predniolsone and

> am coming back around again.

> Does this sound like I have jsut plumetted into major adrenal

> fatigue, ?

I think adrenal fatigue may be a factor and there may be other factors

as well.

Were you less stressed when you tapered off the cortef and more

stressed lately? I have heard of people who wean off of cortef but

still use it for stress and for infection. I have found that physical

stress takes about double the usual dose and psychological stress can

take triple.

-----------I am on the learning curve with this, but 's statement about

pshychological stress taking more than physical stress, I would have to agree

with. Emotional stress really seems to do a number on the adrenals when they

are weak. I was really surprised how much Isocort I could take after a very

emotionally upsetting week. I think I took the equivalent of 40-50mg of

cortisol one day, and felt good on that amount.---------Jackie T.

Of all, people, I think you might recognize the

> symptoms...

>

> Could be....I am really almost afraid to take any T4

> anymore.....maybe just 1/2 grain would suffice.

>

>

>

> I never had so much trouble before a couple of years ago...just

> took my 2 grains and nary a problem...actually, it didn't seem to do

> much for me either. Hard to figure this all out.

>

> , are you still on large doses of HC?

Yes, more than 20, but still less than pharmacological doses. I have

been under extreme stress lately.

>That is what i was trying

> to avoid,

If I wanted to avoid taking so much HC, I would have to lie around all

day, and get nothing done. Trouble is that would only increase stress

levels. HC has been a real life saver for me.

---------I would have to agree. I'd be scared to think where I'd be right now

if I didn't start using Isocort earlier this year. With all the physical and

emotional stress I have had this year, I would probably be dead or bed-ridden if

not for Isocort.--------Jackie .t

as it seems a lit of my troubles began as I began raising

> the Armour and taking HC.

I lost all sort of muscle, my heart started

> pounding and it was pretty terrible.

Is there any way that you could get a blood test for electrolytes when

you are having problems? And maybe have a doc listen to your heart

and lungs?

I was so glad to be off the

> steroids and

>

somehow the message got cut off here.

J

> Thanks,

>

> tings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Sw

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

> the room.

> >

I was like that sometimes before I got Cortef, but not every day.

> > The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was

because I

> > have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> > of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> > Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> > breathing difficulty.

>

When I am having an anxiety attack I will do this too, but I'm not

having difficulty breathing, just focusing on deep breathing.

IMR>>>>NOt sure if it is actually breathing difficulty...just feels

like it.....

I think adrenal fatigue may be a factor and there may be other factors

as well.

IMR>>>>Today I added another 2.5 mg of prednisolone and am feeling

better yet....not great, but much better. For some odd reason, hot

showers have been very helpful in making me feel better....seems to

some how relax and open up the lungs or something...can't quite put

my finger on it, except that I took about 7 showers yesterday, LOL.

Then, in the middle of the night, even thogh I took some predniolosne

right before gong to bed, about 2 hours later I woke up feelng

badly,and my oral temp was down to 96.2, even though I felt warm and

jsut crawled out of a toasty down bed. Two hot showers brought it

back up into the 97.? ranges....

-----------------

Were you less stressed when you tapered off the cortef and more

stressed lately? I have heard of people who wean off of cortef but

still use it for stress and for infection. I have found that physical

stress takes about double the usual dose and psychological stress can

take triple.

IMR>>>>>>Hard to say , ...maybe I don't even really know what

stress is anymore. I fought a good part of the year to keep my

husband form being sent to prison and send him to a rehab instead.

and they still gave him a 4 year sentence for DUI, and he didn't hurt

anybody or damage anything, sigh. That is a lot of stress in and of

itself...then when I got back up here to Idaho (where I currently

live) for the second tme this year, it alwasy feels so stressful to

be up here becasue there is nobody and nothing around me.....peace

and quiet & isolation, I have found can have its own stress.

------------

>

> , are you still on large doses of HC?

Yes, more than 20, but still less than pharmacological doses. I have

been under extreme stress lately.

If I wanted to avoid taking so much HC, I would have to lie around all

day, and get nothing done. Trouble is that would only increase stress

levels. HC has been a real life saver for me.

Is there any way that you could get a blood test for electrolytes when

you are having problems? And maybe have a doc listen to your heart

and lungs?

IMR>>>>>>>Where would I get the money for that...that is always the

problem.....I am really all alone now up here, with nobody to help. I

don't even have a working car now to drive to the town that is not

too far form here, sigh.....

.....a treadmill test I did 5 years ago, I never could get a square

answer out of them...when they did an MRI 5 years ago when I had

eColi, they said there was just a little enlarging of the heart and

an aorta that was slightly distended and twisted.....(they never told

me this, but last year I ordered my hospital reports form there and

saw it on my charts).....more recent EKG's have been fine.... I have

had a heart murmer detected ever since I was very little (what does

that mean in practice???)..

The BEST I have felt for some time was whenI was down in California

this last time, fighting in the courts, right after I quit the

Armour, got on T3, took some Angioprim to clear arteries, and got off

steroids. Within two months afterwards though, every thing has come

caving in, so it must be from fried adrenals, I am thinking.

, I think I have heart failure and the steroids weakened my

heart muscle even more....but now I think I am in quite pronounced

adrenal stress, and can not get by without the steroids now. I have

posted about this at the NTH forum as well....they think i need to be

on more Armour....waiting for more responses.....

somehow the message got cut off here.

Hmmmmm...I don'think there was much more, if anything else that I had

posted...

Thanks,

Inga

..

[Guest guest]

> I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

> the room.

> >

I was like that sometimes before I got Cortef, but not every day.

> > The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was

because I

> > have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> > of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> > Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> > breathing difficulty.

>

When I am having an anxiety attack I will do this too, but I'm not

having difficulty breathing, just focusing on deep breathing.

IMR>>>>NOt sure if it is actually breathing difficulty...just feels

like it.....

I think adrenal fatigue may be a factor and there may be other factors

as well.

IMR>>>>Today I added another 2.5 mg of prednisolone and am feeling

better yet....not great, but much better. For some odd reason, hot

showers have been very helpful in making me feel better....seems to

some how relax and open up the lungs or something...can't quite put

my finger on it, except that I took about 7 showers yesterday, LOL.

Then, in the middle of the night, even thogh I took some predniolosne

right before gong to bed, about 2 hours later I woke up feelng

badly,and my oral temp was down to 96.2, even though I felt warm and

jsut crawled out of a toasty down bed. Two hot showers brought it

back up into the 97.? ranges....

-----------------

Were you less stressed when you tapered off the cortef and more

stressed lately? I have heard of people who wean off of cortef but

still use it for stress and for infection. I have found that physical

stress takes about double the usual dose and psychological stress can

take triple.

IMR>>>>>>Hard to say , ...maybe I don't even really know what

stress is anymore. I fought a good part of the year to keep my

husband form being sent to prison and send him to a rehab instead.

and they still gave him a 4 year sentence for DUI, and he didn't hurt

anybody or damage anything, sigh. That is a lot of stress in and of

itself...then when I got back up here to Idaho (where I currently

live) for the second tme this year, it alwasy feels so stressful to

be up here becasue there is nobody and nothing around me.....peace

and quiet & isolation, I have found can have its own stress.

------------

>

> , are you still on large doses of HC?

Yes, more than 20, but still less than pharmacological doses. I have

been under extreme stress lately.

If I wanted to avoid taking so much HC, I would have to lie around all

day, and get nothing done. Trouble is that would only increase stress

levels. HC has been a real life saver for me.

Is there any way that you could get a blood test for electrolytes when

you are having problems? And maybe have a doc listen to your heart

and lungs?

IMR>>>>>>>Where would I get the money for that...that is always the

problem.....I am really all alone now up here, with nobody to help. I

don't even have a working car now to drive to the town that is not

too far form here, sigh.....

.....a treadmill test I did 5 years ago, I never could get a square

answer out of them...when they did an MRI 5 years ago when I had

eColi, they said there was just a little enlarging of the heart and

an aorta that was slightly distended and twisted.....(they never told

me this, but last year I ordered my hospital reports form there and

saw it on my charts).....more recent EKG's have been fine.... I have

had a heart murmer detected ever since I was very little (what does

that mean in practice???)..

The BEST I have felt for some time was whenI was down in California

this last time, fighting in the courts, right after I quit the

Armour, got on T3, took some Angioprim to clear arteries, and got off

steroids. Within two months afterwards though, every thing has come

caving in, so it must be from fried adrenals, I am thinking.

, I think I have heart failure and the steroids weakened my

heart muscle even more....but now I think I am in quite pronounced

adrenal stress, and can not get by without the steroids now. I have

posted about this at the NTH forum as well....they think i need to be

on more Armour....waiting for more responses.....

somehow the message got cut off here.

Hmmmmm...I don'think there was much more, if anything else that I had

posted...

Thanks,

Inga

..

[Guest guest]

> I am having a hard time making it out to my car....or walking accross

> the room.

> >

I was like that sometimes before I got Cortef, but not every day.

> > The reason I dropped T4 ( very gradually tapering off!) was

because I

> > have trouble with the rapid heart beat too. In my case I think some

> > of it is due to adrenaline surges with insufficient cortisol.

> > Cortisol does settle it down for me. I haven't had any trouble with

> > breathing difficulty.

>

When I am having an anxiety attack I will do this too, but I'm not

having difficulty breathing, just focusing on deep breathing.

IMR>>>>NOt sure if it is actually breathing difficulty...just feels

like it.....

I think adrenal fatigue may be a factor and there may be other factors

as well.

IMR>>>>Today I added another 2.5 mg of prednisolone and am feeling

better yet....not great, but much better. For some odd reason, hot

showers have been very helpful in making me feel better....seems to

some how relax and open up the lungs or something...can't quite put

my finger on it, except that I took about 7 showers yesterday, LOL.

Then, in the middle of the night, even thogh I took some predniolosne

right before gong to bed, about 2 hours later I woke up feelng

badly,and my oral temp was down to 96.2, even though I felt warm and

jsut crawled out of a toasty down bed. Two hot showers brought it

back up into the 97.? ranges....

-----------------

Were you less stressed when you tapered off the cortef and more

stressed lately? I have heard of people who wean off of cortef but

still use it for stress and for infection. I have found that physical

stress takes about double the usual dose and psychological stress can

take triple.

IMR>>>>>>Hard to say , ...maybe I don't even really know what

stress is anymore. I fought a good part of the year to keep my

husband form being sent to prison and send him to a rehab instead.

and they still gave him a 4 year sentence for DUI, and he didn't hurt

anybody or damage anything, sigh. That is a lot of stress in and of

itself...then when I got back up here to Idaho (where I currently

live) for the second tme this year, it alwasy feels so stressful to

be up here becasue there is nobody and nothing around me.....peace

and quiet & isolation, I have found can have its own stress.

------------

>

> , are you still on large doses of HC?

Yes, more than 20, but still less than pharmacological doses. I have

been under extreme stress lately.

If I wanted to avoid taking so much HC, I would have to lie around all

day, and get nothing done. Trouble is that would only increase stress

levels. HC has been a real life saver for me.

Is there any way that you could get a blood test for electrolytes when

you are having problems? And maybe have a doc listen to your heart

and lungs?

IMR>>>>>>>Where would I get the money for that...that is always the

problem.....I am really all alone now up here, with nobody to help. I

don't even have a working car now to drive to the town that is not

too far form here, sigh.....

.....a treadmill test I did 5 years ago, I never could get a square

answer out of them...when they did an MRI 5 years ago when I had

eColi, they said there was just a little enlarging of the heart and

an aorta that was slightly distended and twisted.....(they never told

me this, but last year I ordered my hospital reports form there and

saw it on my charts).....more recent EKG's have been fine.... I have

had a heart murmer detected ever since I was very little (what does

that mean in practice???)..

The BEST I have felt for some time was whenI was down in California

this last time, fighting in the courts, right after I quit the

Armour, got on T3, took some Angioprim to clear arteries, and got off

steroids. Within two months afterwards though, every thing has come

caving in, so it must be from fried adrenals, I am thinking.

, I think I have heart failure and the steroids weakened my

heart muscle even more....but now I think I am in quite pronounced

adrenal stress, and can not get by without the steroids now. I have

posted about this at the NTH forum as well....they think i need to be

on more Armour....waiting for more responses.....

somehow the message got cut off here.

Hmmmmm...I don'think there was much more, if anything else that I had

posted...

Thanks,

Inga

..

[Guest guest]

I'm jumping in here with a few comments below.---------Jackie T.

------Inga, I think an anxiety or panic attack can make you *feel*

like you're having trouble breathing, but you probably actually

aren't. Does your chest feel tight?

IMR>>>>>>>>>> Nope, and I never have any chest pain either...nor do

lungs seem to fill up at night. I do have distressed for about the

first 2 minutes that I lay down in bed, but that goes away fairly

quickly.

----------------

I think a panic attack can make you feel like you're going to die, it

can be very scary. I was getting to that point before amalgam

removal.--------Jackie T>

-----------I am on the learning curve with this, but 's

statement about psychological stress taking more than physical

stress, I would have to agree with. Emotional stress really seems to

do a number on the adrenals when they are weak. I was really

surprised how much Isocort I could take after a very emotionally

upsetting week. I think I took the equivalent of 40-50mg of cortisol

one day, and felt good on that amount.---------Jackie T.

IMR>>>YEah...well, I have been under a lot of psychological stress,

that is for sure...been going on for about three years now, and this

one was probably the worst of them all.

Thanks for the encouragement guys...I think tomorrow, I will try

taking 7.5 mg of prednisolone and see how I do

~Inga

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I'm jumping in here with a few comments below.---------Jackie T.

------Inga, I think an anxiety or panic attack can make you *feel*

like you're having trouble breathing, but you probably actually

aren't. Does your chest feel tight?

IMR>>>>>>>>>> Nope, and I never have any chest pain either...nor do

lungs seem to fill up at night. I do have distressed for about the

first 2 minutes that I lay down in bed, but that goes away fairly

quickly.

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I think a panic attack can make you feel like you're going to die, it

can be very scary. I was getting to that point before amalgam

removal.--------Jackie T>

-----------I am on the learning curve with this, but 's

statement about psychological stress taking more than physical

stress, I would have to agree with. Emotional stress really seems to

do a number on the adrenals when they are weak. I was really

surprised how much Isocort I could take after a very emotionally

upsetting week. I think I took the equivalent of 40-50mg of cortisol

one day, and felt good on that amount.---------Jackie T.

IMR>>>YEah...well, I have been under a lot of psychological stress,

that is for sure...been going on for about three years now, and this

one was probably the worst of them all.

Thanks for the encouragement guys...I think tomorrow, I will try

taking 7.5 mg of prednisolone and see how I do

~Inga