Re: 12 step coersion in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Kayleigh, I'll get bact to you sometime soon. In the mean time,

you'll like this one. http://www.phuber.com/huber/gal/gal.html

Tommy

> > > Note, though, that Justice White characterized it as a " medical

> > > issue. "

> >

> > Kayleigh,

> >

> > As we discussed here about a year and a half ago, it was Justice

> > O. who opened the whole nasty can of worms almost

> > forty years ago. And I offered an ironic quote from on

the

> > Establishment Clause. And it is interesting that was such

> an

> > absolutist on the Expression Clauses that when the Court was

tasked

> > with determining whether a book or movie was obscene, he refused

to

> > read the book or watch the movie. Not that he was a prude, but he

> > believed it was his job to prevent censorship and that all books

and

> > movies were legal, no exceptions.

> >

> > I agree with on his censorship stance, but I agree with

> > Jefferson that it is not the job of judges to determined what is

and

> > is not scientifically sound or unsound:

> >

> > " Government is just as infallible too when it fixes systems in

> > physics. Galileo was sent to the inquisition for affirming that

the

> > earth was a sphere: the government had declared it to be as flat

as

> a

> > trencher, and Galileo was obliged to abjure his error. This

> > error however at length prevailed, the earth became a globe, and

> > Descartes declared it was whirled round its axis by a vortex. The

> > government in which he lived was wise enough to see that this was

no

> > question of civil jurisdiction, or we should all have been

involved

> by

> > authority in vortices. In fact, the vortices have been exploded,

and

> > the Newtonian principle of gravitation is now more firmly

> established,

> > on the basis of reason, than it would be were the government to

step

> > in, and to make it an article of necessary faith. Reason and

> > experiment have been indulged, and error has fled before them. It

is

> > error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand

> by

> > itself. Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your

> > inquisitors? Fallible men; men governed by bad passions, by

private

> as

> > well as public reasons. "

> >

> > Jefferson

> > Notes on the State of Virginia

[Guest guest]

Kayleigh, I'll get bact to you sometime soon. In the mean time,

you'll like this one. http://www.phuber.com/huber/gal/gal.html

Tommy

> > > Note, though, that Justice White characterized it as a " medical

> > > issue. "

> >

> > Kayleigh,

> >

> > As we discussed here about a year and a half ago, it was Justice

> > O. who opened the whole nasty can of worms almost

> > forty years ago. And I offered an ironic quote from on

the

> > Establishment Clause. And it is interesting that was such

> an

> > absolutist on the Expression Clauses that when the Court was

tasked

> > with determining whether a book or movie was obscene, he refused

to

> > read the book or watch the movie. Not that he was a prude, but he

> > believed it was his job to prevent censorship and that all books

and

> > movies were legal, no exceptions.

> >

> > I agree with on his censorship stance, but I agree with

> > Jefferson that it is not the job of judges to determined what is

and

> > is not scientifically sound or unsound:

> >

> > " Government is just as infallible too when it fixes systems in

> > physics. Galileo was sent to the inquisition for affirming that

the

> > earth was a sphere: the government had declared it to be as flat

as

> a

> > trencher, and Galileo was obliged to abjure his error. This

> > error however at length prevailed, the earth became a globe, and

> > Descartes declared it was whirled round its axis by a vortex. The

> > government in which he lived was wise enough to see that this was

no

> > question of civil jurisdiction, or we should all have been

involved

> by

> > authority in vortices. In fact, the vortices have been exploded,

and

> > the Newtonian principle of gravitation is now more firmly

> established,

> > on the basis of reason, than it would be were the government to

step

> > in, and to make it an article of necessary faith. Reason and

> > experiment have been indulged, and error has fled before them. It

is

> > error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand

> by

> > itself. Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your

> > inquisitors? Fallible men; men governed by bad passions, by

private

> as

> > well as public reasons. "

> >

> > Jefferson

> > Notes on the State of Virginia

[Guest guest]

Kayleigh, I'll get bact to you sometime soon. In the mean time,

you'll like this one. http://www.phuber.com/huber/gal/gal.html

Tommy

> > > Note, though, that Justice White characterized it as a " medical

> > > issue. "

> >

> > Kayleigh,

> >

> > As we discussed here about a year and a half ago, it was Justice

> > O. who opened the whole nasty can of worms almost

> > forty years ago. And I offered an ironic quote from on

the

> > Establishment Clause. And it is interesting that was such

> an

> > absolutist on the Expression Clauses that when the Court was

tasked

> > with determining whether a book or movie was obscene, he refused

to

> > read the book or watch the movie. Not that he was a prude, but he

> > believed it was his job to prevent censorship and that all books

and

> > movies were legal, no exceptions.

> >

> > I agree with on his censorship stance, but I agree with

> > Jefferson that it is not the job of judges to determined what is

and

> > is not scientifically sound or unsound:

> >

> > " Government is just as infallible too when it fixes systems in

> > physics. Galileo was sent to the inquisition for affirming that

the

> > earth was a sphere: the government had declared it to be as flat

as

> a

> > trencher, and Galileo was obliged to abjure his error. This

> > error however at length prevailed, the earth became a globe, and

> > Descartes declared it was whirled round its axis by a vortex. The

> > government in which he lived was wise enough to see that this was

no

> > question of civil jurisdiction, or we should all have been

involved

> by

> > authority in vortices. In fact, the vortices have been exploded,

and

> > the Newtonian principle of gravitation is now more firmly

> established,

> > on the basis of reason, than it would be were the government to

step

> > in, and to make it an article of necessary faith. Reason and

> > experiment have been indulged, and error has fled before them. It

is

> > error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand

> by

> > itself. Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your

> > inquisitors? Fallible men; men governed by bad passions, by

private

> as

> > well as public reasons. "

> >

> > Jefferson

> > Notes on the State of Virginia