Re: /Matija--Russian Group?

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I never knew there was a Russian cea ML. I have seen a few pages

where someone translated Dr. Nase's website into Russian but that was

it. I'll look around for it myself and report back. Maybe

knows about this group....

I remember seeing that one-third of respondents to a National cea

Society poll on ethnicity said they were of Slavic/Eastern European

ancestry. Since I'm in that category, I wonder what sort of ideas

the Russian group had about the disease.

Thanks for posting about this.

Matija

> Hi guys,

> Isn't there a Russian counterpart for this ML, or is

> it defunct? I've surfed around but can't locate it.

> Could have sworn I saw it several months ago...

> Thanks,

> Jim

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Matija!

I have a friend in St sburg who speaks some

English but is obviously much more comfortable with

Russian.

<<Do you know Russian, Jim?>>

I have a basic knowledge of the Cyrillic alphabet and

know some words and phrases, but that's about it. O/T:

I'm sure you know that Russian is extremely difficult

for a non-native speaker to learn, largely because of

the *endless* noun cases. To my knowledge Russian does

not use the words " a " " an " or " the " . Instead they rely

on noun cases; the scenario is similar to Latin, but

way more complex--right?

I could start in on Putin (hopefully he'll clean

things up (starting with the mob) over there) but I'll

shuddup. I've said too much already, and my IP address

*is* traceable ;o)

Jim

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Matija!

I have a friend in St sburg who speaks some

English but is obviously much more comfortable with

Russian.

<<Do you know Russian, Jim?>>

I have a basic knowledge of the Cyrillic alphabet and

know some words and phrases, but that's about it. O/T:

I'm sure you know that Russian is extremely difficult

for a non-native speaker to learn, largely because of

the *endless* noun cases. To my knowledge Russian does

not use the words " a " " an " or " the " . Instead they rely

on noun cases; the scenario is similar to Latin, but

way more complex--right?

I could start in on Putin (hopefully he'll clean

things up (starting with the mob) over there) but I'll

shuddup. I've said too much already, and my IP address

*is* traceable ;o)

Jim

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[Guest guest]

Monday, December 11, 2000, 4:25:47 AM, you wrote:

m> http://infoteka.nsk.ru/~museum/

m> I know a bit of Russian, but am pretty rusty. Do you know Russian, Jim?

m> If so, could you briefly summarize what they say there? It would take

m> me a while to figure it out!

A very quick overview of what is talked about at this site. I didn't do the

translation.

The author is from Novosibirsk which is in Siberia.

Comments that rosacea is so common to be accepted as normal in Russia, not

really seen as a sickness. It is not unusual to be treated as an idiot if

you go to the doctor about rosacea. Very little known by doctors. The

Russian web site has generated a lot of positive guest book comments that

was a nice suprise to the author.

A bit of history, triggers, and treatments that we are all familiar with.

Mentions that there is a photoderm clinic in Moscow, and would love to

hear from anyone who has been. Mentioned a couple of Nivea Visage products

that are available in Russia.

Winter is the worst time as the indoor heating is so dry and the

temperature change when you go outside is so great. Suggested some

protective oils/moisturiser to combat it, and a gradual transition outside

to the colder temperature.

Please forgive the brevity and any ommisions. Thought it was worthwhile to

give a taste of a Russian view of rosacea. Please someone who can add to

this topic, do so.

cheers,

davidp.

--

Pascoe, dp@..., South Perth, Western Australia

[Guest guest]

Hi.

If you goto http://world.altavista.com/ and put the url for the russian

website (http://infoteka.nsk.ru/~museum/) in the correct box and select

" russian to english " then the site will be automatically translated into

english for you.

I did this the other day - its a bit fiddly navigating through the site, but

it is possible. Anyway, the site is quite interesting, but there is nothing

that we didn't already know. However, they did have a special section on

how to deal with the cold that might be helpful. They also discuss current

theories (which we've all heard before). However, its also nice just to see

a web site from a different culture facing the same problems that we face.

Anyway, I hope this helps.

Seth

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[Guest guest]

Seth, thanks! The Alta Vista translator is an

excellent resource. For some reason I had to make 4

attempts before I finally got the website translated

(the first 3 times, all I got was a red nose and blank

screen); perhaps I was doing something wrong. Anyway

the 2 paragraphs below are from the 'treatment'

section and I found them most interesting. #1 is about

photoderm, and mentions that it is being performed in

Moscow. #2 is our old bane, long-term topical steroid.

*** (#1)

Procedure Of pyuotoderm (Photos-derma). Coagulation of

hypodermic vessels by light/world. this method is

entirely new, and it is completely possible that it

the most effective. Photos-derma it acts on

hemoglobin, which is contained in the blood. And

vessel it is wider, the greater in it the blood.

Details can be found on by shshsh.pyuotofachial.chom .

this method of treatment already is adapted in one of

the Moscow clinics/clinical aspects. If someone passed

this procedure, then if you please write into the

guest book .

*** (#2)

It can seem that the corticosteroid preparations

(yuydrochortizone, fluchionolone to achetonide) give

instantaneous positive result. Nevertheless, they

cannot be used in the long period. Clinical studies

showed that if we use them it is regularly more than

48 hours, then appears " the effect of habituation " ,

and as soon as you will cease to bring them, the skin

will be inflamed still stronger. Corticosteroids are

suitable for many skin illnesses, but not for

rozatsei.

***

I noticed that the site also contains a link to

cea-LTD.

Jim

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[Guest guest]

Seth, thanks! The Alta Vista translator is an

excellent resource. For some reason I had to make 4

attempts before I finally got the website translated

(the first 3 times, all I got was a red nose and blank

screen); perhaps I was doing something wrong. Anyway

the 2 paragraphs below are from the 'treatment'

section and I found them most interesting. #1 is about

photoderm, and mentions that it is being performed in

Moscow. #2 is our old bane, long-term topical steroid.

*** (#1)

Procedure Of pyuotoderm (Photos-derma). Coagulation of

hypodermic vessels by light/world. this method is

entirely new, and it is completely possible that it

the most effective. Photos-derma it acts on

hemoglobin, which is contained in the blood. And

vessel it is wider, the greater in it the blood.

Details can be found on by shshsh.pyuotofachial.chom .

this method of treatment already is adapted in one of

the Moscow clinics/clinical aspects. If someone passed

this procedure, then if you please write into the

guest book .

*** (#2)

It can seem that the corticosteroid preparations

(yuydrochortizone, fluchionolone to achetonide) give

instantaneous positive result. Nevertheless, they

cannot be used in the long period. Clinical studies

showed that if we use them it is regularly more than

48 hours, then appears " the effect of habituation " ,

and as soon as you will cease to bring them, the skin

will be inflamed still stronger. Corticosteroids are

suitable for many skin illnesses, but not for

rozatsei.

***

I noticed that the site also contains a link to

cea-LTD.

Jim

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