Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 , We use Melatonin and Taurine. We started the Taurine first and noticed that both boys simultaneously began sleeping through the night (something they had never done). But they still only slept about 6 hours a night. About 6 months later we started Melatonin. It was fabulous. They started going to bed before midnight and they still slept all night. They began sleeping about 10 hours a night. After 5 years of less than 6 hours of sleep a night, it was a welcome relief. (We started the Melatonin a little over 2 years ago.) We give 325mg of Taurine morning and evening and at first we had to give 1mg of Melatonin, but now we just give .5mg and it works fabulously. Also, make sure there is no way for light to get in his room in the mornings. I made a light proof cover for the window in my boys' room. We have redone their room since then and they have black curtains that are lined with black fabric. I tie them back in the day time so it's not dark in there at all, but I close them all the way at night and it really helps. Otherwise, they get up as soon as the sun comes up. Jody mom to -5.1 and -7.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Have you tried epsom salts baths before bed? My 5 yo says they make her sleep better. > For the last 3+ years my son has been waking earlier and earlier in > the morning. At first he did a sudden shift from 8am to 6am around > the time his sister was born. But now, three years later he's > waking up at 4am and I just can't take it anymore! Their bedtime is > 8 pm, and it's a struggle sometimes to get him to stay awake until > then. We are in this vicious cycle. We've tried keeping him up > later, but he is still always awake by 5am at the latest. What kind > of a kid only needs 8 hours of sleep? I need more than that! When > he started all day kindergarten, I thought it would wear him out a > bit, but no such luck. I'm dying here from sleep deprivation! Any > ideas? So far the only supplements he is on are Quercetin, DMG/TMG > alternating, and all three Houston enzymes. He's a skinny little > guy at 36 lbs (5.5 y.o.). > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 > waking up at 4am and I just can't take it anymore! Their bedtime is > 8 pm, and it's a struggle sometimes to get him to stay awake until > then. We are in this vicious cycle. > RDA magnesium (enzymestuff.com) has helped us with extended sleep the most. You might try 5-htp on a trial basis. Serena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 My son also hasn't slept well since birth. But he is sleeping better now on vitamin B complex plus magnesium and Calcium and Magnesium. And then even better when we removed all complex carbs from his diet. I think that the irritation in his stomach was stopping him from sleeping. Also he was having reflux from insufficient stomach acid. I want to start enzymes, but am still studying it. I think someone (?) said that zinc also helps? I am going to buy some today. Abby Re: Sleep issues Have you tried epsom salts baths before bed? My 5 yo says they make her sleep better. > For the last 3+ years my son has been waking earlier and earlier in > the morning. At first he did a sudden shift from 8am to 6am around > the time his sister was born. But now, three years later he's > waking up at 4am and I just can't take it anymore! Their bedtime is > 8 pm, and it's a struggle sometimes to get him to stay awake until > then. We are in this vicious cycle. We've tried keeping him up > later, but he is still always awake by 5am at the latest. What kind > of a kid only needs 8 hours of sleep? I need more than that! When > he started all day kindergarten, I thought it would wear him out a > bit, but no such luck. I'm dying here from sleep deprivation! Any > ideas? So far the only supplements he is on are Quercetin, DMG/TMG > alternating, and all three Houston enzymes. He's a skinny little > guy at 36 lbs (5.5 y.o.). > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 -Hi , Um probably a silly question but do you give the DMG/TMG in the arvo? I used to take it myself and it can give a buzz of energy that lasts for hours. Also have you tried Melatonin? (Life Extention brand) It has done wonderful things for me and 2 daughters. I use the 6hr time release they use the ordinary one 1MG just a little tipped into palm of hand and taken. Youngest daughter used to be bug eyed at 11pm and as she woke at 6pm and would talk/sing/dance/need input till sleep this was exausting lol Eileen. -- In , " jenklotz " <j_klotz@h...> wrote: > For the last 3+ years my son has been waking earlier and earlier in > the morning. At first he did a sudden shift from 8am to 6am around > the time his sister was born. But now, three years later he's > waking up at 4am and I just can't take it anymore! Their bedtime is > 8 pm, and it's a struggle sometimes to get him to stay awake until > then. We are in this vicious cycle. We've tried keeping him up > later, but he is still always awake by 5am at the latest. What kind > of a kid only needs 8 hours of sleep? I need more than that! When > he started all day kindergarten, I thought it would wear him out a > bit, but no such luck. I'm dying here from sleep deprivation! Any > ideas? So far the only supplements he is on are Quercetin, DMG/TMG > alternating, and all three Houston enzymes. He's a skinny little > guy at 36 lbs (5.5 y.o.). > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 He's been on the Quercetin for about a month. His DAN! doc prescribed it b/c my son has always sounded a tad congested and he had begun snoring. I only give the DMG/TMG in the a.m., so I don't think that's the problem. I haven't tried Melatonin on him yet, but I'm going to try the calcium, magnesium, and zinc. He HAS to be zinc deficient as he eats NO meat or anything else that is a good source of it. > How long has your son been taking the quercetin? I haven't tried it since we > we've been on enzymes but both my son and I reacted poorly to it in the past. > > Regards, > Sharon K. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Prue, Can you tell me more about the fish oils and energy. I thought my son was reacting to a supplement and couldn't figure it out until you posted this. I have been giving him his CLO and ProEFA in the same drink...within one hour he is stimming and bouncing off the walls. Can't focus and doesn't want to mand for anything. It is weird to see and disturbing. I have taken him off of all supplements to see if I could find the problem, but with this posting it makes me more certain that it is the fish oils. If you could point me into a direction to research this that would be great. Thanks Dena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 > For the last 3+ years my son has been waking earlier and earlier in > the morning. At first he did a sudden shift from 8am to 6am around > the time his sister was born. But now, three years later he's > waking up at 4am and I just can't take it anymore! When any of my kids wake up and it is still dark outside, they are allowed to come out onto the couch and sleep there, but they are not allowed to have toys, they must lie down and stay quiet. This works for us. Their bedtime is > 8 pm, and it's a struggle sometimes to get him to stay awake until > then. We are in this vicious cycle. We've tried keeping him up > later, but he is still always awake by 5am at the latest. What kind > of a kid only needs 8 hours of sleep? I need more than that! For my #2 son, at first it was phenols, then yeast, then supplements. When > he started all day kindergarten, I thought it would wear him out a > bit, but no such luck. I'm dying here from sleep deprivation! Any > ideas? So far the only supplements he is on are Quercetin, DMG/TMG > alternating, and all three Houston enzymes. My kids did not do well with TMG. Have you increased the folic acid and B12? Otherwise maybe drop one of those supplements and see if it helps. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Is he on any type of sensory diet? My son MUST have a good sensory diet through the day, or he doesn't sleep well at night. Also, we use a grounding mat on his bed. This gives him proprioceptive input throughout the night. No one else could sleep on the thing, but he loves it!! Kim > For the last 3+ years my son has been waking earlier and earlier in > the morning. At first he did a sudden shift from 8am to 6am around > the time his sister was born. But now, three years later he's > waking up at 4am and I just can't take it anymore! Their bedtime is > 8 pm, and it's a struggle sometimes to get him to stay awake until > then. We are in this vicious cycle. We've tried keeping him up > later, but he is still always awake by 5am at the latest. What kind > of a kid only needs 8 hours of sleep? I need more than that! This never worked for us either....the more I tried to " wear him out " when he was younger, the more wound up he got. When > he started all day kindergarten, I thought it would wear him out a > bit, but no such luck. I'm dying here from sleep deprivation! Any > ideas? So far the only supplements he is on are Quercetin, DMG/TMG > alternating, and all three Houston enzymes. If all else fails Melatonin 30 minutes before bed works great. You may have to play with the dosage or use the extended release stuff. My son does well on 1.5 mg, and he is 6 yo, weighs 50#. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 -Hi Kim, I was very interested to read about the sensory diet you mentioned, Plus the mat niether of which I have ever heard of before. Could you please spare the time to explain them to me? We ALL have sensory issues in this family lol. Thanx Eileen. -- In , " Kim Wolford " <kwolford@i...> wrote: > Is he on any type of sensory diet? My son MUST have a good sensory diet > through the day, or he doesn't sleep well at night. Also, we use a > grounding mat on his bed. This gives him proprioceptive input throughout > the night. No one else could sleep on the thing, but he loves it!! > > Kim > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 >>>Sleep issues<<< We recently bought a weighted mattress for our son. At first he hated it; now he asks for it and I truly belive it helps him sleep better at night. That and we cut off all liquids by 7pm and make him pee before bed (we are in the potty training phase). These things are finally making a difference. Sammy (ASD, 4+Years) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 -Hello , -I'm showing my ignorance here, lol But what in the heck is a weighted mattress? Eileen ) - In , " Colnes " <lcolnes@o...> wrote: > >>>Sleep issues<<< > > > We recently bought a weighted mattress for our son. At first he hated it; > now he asks for it and I truly belive it helps him sleep better at night. > That and we cut off all liquids by 7pm and make him pee before bed (we are > in the potty training phase). These things are finally making a difference. > > > Sammy (ASD, 4+Years) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 forgive me if this reply has already been posted - does your child get too many phenols? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 My son did the same except he would wake for juice every hour. We found out there was bacteria in our well. Since that was fixed he sleeps thru the night. He still got up early. We took a clock and covered the minute digits with tape. We taught him what a 6 looks like and told him he couldn't get up until he saw the 6. Every morning at exactly 6 he would come running in. He still does this and he is 7 yo. Lynn Sleep issues Hello, I am posting about my 2 yo non-ASD son. He rarely sleeps through the night, and I could really use some advice. He falls asleep fine, but he wakes up once during the night and is usually up for the day by 5 or 6. When he wakes up in the middle of the night, he usually has a little drink (watered down juice) and goes right back to sleep. When he wakes at 5 or 6, there is no getting back to sleep, he is up for the day! It doesn't matter what time I put him to bed. I've seen much helpful advice on this topic, but am not sure how to go about this. His stools are fine, but he could have yeast, right? Should I treat with GSE? I already give him probiotics twice a day. Or should I do epsom salt baths? What about zinc, and how much? Also, thought about the NightCal...Any advice will be greatly appreciated! Gia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 >>When he wakes up in the middle of the night, he > usually has a little drink (watered down juice) and goes right back > to sleep. Try giving him just water. Night waking is commonly associated with phenol intolerance and/or yeast issues. Giving juice would tend to feed both problems. > I've seen much helpful advice on this topic, but am not sure how to > go about this. His stools are fine, but he could have yeast, > right? Should I treat with GSE? I already give him probiotics > twice a day. Or should I do epsom salt baths? You can try either or both of these. If you give GSE, you might want to give it with No-Fenol enzyme, and do it in the morning. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Thanks, Dana. I should be receiving No-Fenol sometime next week. I will definitely give a try. The water thing, too. My husband works nights, so I try to make things go as smoothly as possible. But this night waking has got to go! We just started zyme prime for my other son, so I am still learning. My son with ASD is an EXCELLENT sleeper! Go figure! Gia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 , One night last week, I gave him some zinc (20mg) and he slept the whole night. I remember trying it a second time, and he woke up. So I thought it was just a fluke. Maybe if I'm more consistent, I'll see better results. Thanks! Gia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Gia, Sometimes a lack of magnesium can cause this lack of sleep or interupted sleep. I have also heard that it can be from liver toxicity which is helped by milk thistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Hello- my daughter has been in the band since last Wednesday and she is having trouble sleeping at night and napping. A few weeks before we got the band she learned how to roll over back and forth and she started favoring her tummy for sleeping. It seems she is having a really tough time sleeping in this position. The helmet really digs into her face and sometimes when I go in there she has her whole face planted in the mattress- which scares me, but I think she can't figure out what position to put her head in. So I try to flip her onto her back or side- but she gets mad and flips back over....anyways, she is exhausted and so am I. Any Suggestions? - Mom of Grace- STARband Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Hello- my daughter has been in the band since last Wednesday and she is having trouble sleeping at night and napping. A few weeks before we got the band she learned how to roll over back and forth and she started favoring her tummy for sleeping. It seems she is having a really tough time sleeping in this position. The helmet really digs into her face and sometimes when I go in there she has her whole face planted in the mattress- which scares me, but I think she can't figure out what position to put her head in. So I try to flip her onto her back or side- but she gets mad and flips back over....anyways, she is exhausted and so am I. Any Suggestions? - Mom of Grace- STARband Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Ya know I actually did have him in a regular tent on his bedroom floor when we first moved into our house because he complained that his room was too big. My therapist suggested putting a tent in there to help him feel like his room was smaller. That worked and now that I think about it he slept better. He ended up taking it down after a while to have more play space but the bed tent would be perfect. I'll have to try that. Do you know a good place to get one? I ordered one from Lillianvernon.com last year and it was so cheaply made it fell apart just when I was putting it together! tanisbianca <tanisbianca@...> wrote: We bought one of those bed tents for our son. That combined with an ocean sounds cd and a fan for extra white noise seems to do the trick. We realized that even the slightest noises or stimuli were keeping him up, so we basically created a little sensory cocoon for him to sleep in. Good luck! This is what our psychologist recommended but we settled the sleep issues by changing meds. > Bedtime Struggles Tape > This relaxation program discusses the causes and cures for common sleeping disorders such as nightmares, sleepwalking, and the fear of falling asleep or being alone in the dark. Children are taught to easily slip from relaxation to sleep. The keys to a healthy bedtime routine are also discussed. > Ages infant-10, Item #C2, 1 Audio Cassette $14.95 > > http://www.learningpotentials.com/relax.htm > > He said they had used it in a clinic very successfully but didn't recommend any of the other tapes even though the names look fantastic. LOL > > ( ) SLEEP ISSUES > > Hi everyone, > > My 7 year old can't get to sleep. We give him melatonin when we have to for our sanity, but we're worried about the long-term effects of it. So we try not to, and he stays up until 11 a few nights in a row, then he's exhausted and can't get out of bed etc. > > Does anyone have this trouble, has anyone heard of good solutions, does anyone know anything about melatonin? > > Thanks.... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 We ordered my son's bed tent from tinkertots.com. I thought is was a little pricey, but we have had it for about a year now and my sons wrestle in constantly and it has held up. This is what our psychologist recommended but we > settled the sleep issues by changing meds. > > Bedtime Struggles Tape > > This relaxation program discusses the causes and cures for common sleeping disorders > such as nightmares, sleepwalking, and the fear of falling asleep or being alone in the dark. > Children are taught to easily slip from relaxation to sleep. The keys to a healthy bedtime > routine are also discussed. > > Ages infant-10, Item #C2, 1 Audio Cassette $14.95 > > > > http://www.learningpotentials.com/relax.htm > > > > He said they had used it in a clinic very successfully but didn't recommend any of the > other tapes even though the names look fantastic. LOL > > > > ( ) SLEEP ISSUES > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My 7 year old can't get to sleep. We give him melatonin when we have to for our sanity, > but we're worried about the long-term effects of it. So we try not to, and he stays up until > 11 a few nights in a row, then he's exhausted and can't get out of bed etc. > > > > Does anyone have this trouble, has anyone heard of good solutions, does anyone know > anything about melatonin? > > > > Thanks.... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Oh, I had forgotten we did this with too. We didn't have a bed tent but a regular small popup tent that they sell for play. It only came to about his waist. We would just put it up after he was in bed then later when he was asleep we would take it down. After a while he didn't need it anymore. ( ) SLEEP ISSUES > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > My 7 year old can't get to sleep. We give him melatonin when we have to for our sanity, > but we're worried about the long-term effects of it. So we try not to, and he stays up until > 11 a few nights in a row, then he's exhausted and can't get out of bed etc. > > > > Does anyone have this trouble, has anyone heard of good solutions, does anyone know > anything about melatonin? > > > > Thanks.... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Clonidine has been a huge help for our 5 yos, also. He's been on it for about 1.5 years now and what a difference. He still has some sleep issues -- he'll sleepwalk, talk, grind teeth, have full out conversations and night terrors frequently, but no way near to the level of sleeplessness before. Without it, neither dh nor I would get any sleep. Clonidine is usually prescribed for blood-pressure, but in autistic kids is prescribed to help tone down aggressive and self-injurious behavior while they're awake. It can also help with stims. The good thing is that we've seen no side-effects, and apparently they are way less likely than with the stronger drugs. Dianne wrote: > > HI I am new here but thought i would jump right in My son and Daughter > are also on clonidine. and its been wonderful for them they to have > sleep issues were they will stay up till 3 or 4am in the Am as both > are extream ADHD as well as other things. I will post a full Intro > asap. but this is something to look into > > Roxanna <madideas@... > <mailto:madideas%40zoominternet.net>> wrote: I have two boys with HFA > and both have sleep problems. What we finally did was get a script for > clonidine. > > Roxanna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: on > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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