Re: Testing for Adrenal&Thyroid problems

[Guest guest]

> Hi, I need to get my thyroid and adrenal glands tested. I am 44 years

> old and finished removing 11 amalgams in July. I suffer from low body

> temps, can't gain weight after loosing about 30 lbs and the usual

> brain fog. I have found a thyroid doctor at thyroidabout.com. Will a

> mainstream thyroid doctor order blood tests or saliva tests or both to

> check for adrenal fatigue? Or should I just order a saliva test from

> the internet? I have just finished round one of chelating with DMSA at

> 6mg every four hours. These are very tiny amounts but have not caused

> any problems. Any input on adrenal tests?

> Thanks in advance, Greg

Here are some simple tests that can be ordered over the internet.

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?major=507.503.505.504.506

I asked DirectLabs and the said they can order all of them for you, so you

won't need a doctors help. Some of them are just Saliva tests making it

easier and there are lots of people on this list with experience to help you

interpret them.

We got a page up here with simple advice on adrenals and thyroid (aimed

mainly for those in South Africa), but provides a good enough overview for

most I hope,

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

If anyone has anything to add or notices irregularities let me know and I'll

update it.

Dean

[Guest guest]

> Hi, I need to get my thyroid and adrenal glands tested. I am 44 years

> old and finished removing 11 amalgams in July. I suffer from low body

> temps, can't gain weight after loosing about 30 lbs and the usual

> brain fog. I have found a thyroid doctor at thyroidabout.com. Will a

> mainstream thyroid doctor order blood tests or saliva tests or both to

> check for adrenal fatigue? Or should I just order a saliva test from

> the internet? I have just finished round one of chelating with DMSA at

> 6mg every four hours. These are very tiny amounts but have not caused

> any problems. Any input on adrenal tests?

> Thanks in advance, Greg

Here are some simple tests that can be ordered over the internet.

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?major=507.503.505.504.506

I asked DirectLabs and the said they can order all of them for you, so you

won't need a doctors help. Some of them are just Saliva tests making it

easier and there are lots of people on this list with experience to help you

interpret them.

We got a page up here with simple advice on adrenals and thyroid (aimed

mainly for those in South Africa), but provides a good enough overview for

most I hope,

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

If anyone has anything to add or notices irregularities let me know and I'll

update it.

Dean

[Guest guest]

> Hi, I need to get my thyroid and adrenal glands tested. I am 44 years

> old and finished removing 11 amalgams in July. I suffer from low body

> temps, can't gain weight after loosing about 30 lbs and the usual

> brain fog. I have found a thyroid doctor at thyroidabout.com. Will a

> mainstream thyroid doctor order blood tests or saliva tests or both to

> check for adrenal fatigue? Or should I just order a saliva test from

> the internet? I have just finished round one of chelating with DMSA at

> 6mg every four hours. These are very tiny amounts but have not caused

> any problems. Any input on adrenal tests?

> Thanks in advance, Greg

Here are some simple tests that can be ordered over the internet.

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?major=507.503.505.504.506

I asked DirectLabs and the said they can order all of them for you, so you

won't need a doctors help. Some of them are just Saliva tests making it

easier and there are lots of people on this list with experience to help you

interpret them.

We got a page up here with simple advice on adrenals and thyroid (aimed

mainly for those in South Africa), but provides a good enough overview for

most I hope,

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

If anyone has anything to add or notices irregularities let me know and I'll

update it.

Dean

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> > Hi, I need to get my thyroid and adrenal glands tested. I am 44

years

> > old and finished removing 11 amalgams in July. I suffer from low

body

> > temps, can't gain weight after loosing about 30 lbs and the usual

> > brain fog. I have found a thyroid doctor at thyroidabout.com.

Will a

> > mainstream thyroid doctor order blood tests or saliva tests or

both to

> > check for adrenal fatigue? Or should I just order a saliva test

from

> > the internet? I have just finished round one of chelating with

DMSA at

> > 6mg every four hours. These are very tiny amounts but have not

caused

> > any problems. Any input on adrenal tests?

> > Thanks in advance, Greg

>

>

> Here are some simple tests that can be ordered over the internet.

> https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?major=507.503.505.504.506

> I asked DirectLabs and the said they can order all of them for

you, so you

> won't need a doctors help. Some of them are just Saliva tests

making it

> easier and there are lots of people on this list with experience

to help you

> interpret them.

> We got a page up here with simple advice on adrenals and thyroid

(aimed

> mainly for those in South Africa), but provides a good enough

overview for

> most I hope,

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

> If anyone has anything to add or notices irregularities let me

know and I'll

> update it.

> Dean

> Thanks Dean, I am a little confused though. Who do I contact to

order these tests? Neuroscience or Direct Labs? And would the Neuro

Encocrine 4 profile test be sufficient for starters?

Thanks, Greg

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> > Hi, I need to get my thyroid and adrenal glands tested. I am 44

years

> > old and finished removing 11 amalgams in July. I suffer from low

body

> > temps, can't gain weight after loosing about 30 lbs and the usual

> > brain fog. I have found a thyroid doctor at thyroidabout.com.

Will a

> > mainstream thyroid doctor order blood tests or saliva tests or

both to

> > check for adrenal fatigue? Or should I just order a saliva test

from

> > the internet? I have just finished round one of chelating with

DMSA at

> > 6mg every four hours. These are very tiny amounts but have not

caused

> > any problems. Any input on adrenal tests?

> > Thanks in advance, Greg

>

>

> Here are some simple tests that can be ordered over the internet.

> https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?major=507.503.505.504.506

> I asked DirectLabs and the said they can order all of them for

you, so you

> won't need a doctors help. Some of them are just Saliva tests

making it

> easier and there are lots of people on this list with experience

to help you

> interpret them.

> We got a page up here with simple advice on adrenals and thyroid

(aimed

> mainly for those in South Africa), but provides a good enough

overview for

> most I hope,

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

> If anyone has anything to add or notices irregularities let me

know and I'll

> update it.

> Dean

> Thanks Dean, I am a little confused though. Who do I contact to

order these tests? Neuroscience or Direct Labs? And would the Neuro

Encocrine 4 profile test be sufficient for starters?

Thanks, Greg

[Guest guest]

..

> > Thanks Dean, I am a little confused though. Who do I contact to

> order these tests? Neuroscience or Direct Labs? And would the Neuro

> Encocrine 4 profile test be sufficient for starters?

HI,

I am oversees and send hair samples to Direct Labs. They have been very

efficient, so I have chosen to work with them should I need these tests.

Direct Labs works with many labs and Neuroscience is one of them. You could

probably contact Neuroscience directly and if they say you need to have a

doctors prescription then go through Direct Labs.

But I have not done these tests so I'm not really the best person to ask. I

simple thought they looked like a very complete set of options. I would

think the 'Endocrine Health 2 Profile' and 'Thyroid Panel 2' would yield

sufficient results for Adrenals and Thyroid. But if you have the finances to

dig deeper like with the 'Neuro Endocrine 4' perhaps that would be better.

Again, I don't have experience with these tests and perhaps someone on the

list has better options for you.

Dean

[Guest guest]

..

> > Thanks Dean, I am a little confused though. Who do I contact to

> order these tests? Neuroscience or Direct Labs? And would the Neuro

> Encocrine 4 profile test be sufficient for starters?

HI,

I am oversees and send hair samples to Direct Labs. They have been very

efficient, so I have chosen to work with them should I need these tests.

Direct Labs works with many labs and Neuroscience is one of them. You could

probably contact Neuroscience directly and if they say you need to have a

doctors prescription then go through Direct Labs.

But I have not done these tests so I'm not really the best person to ask. I

simple thought they looked like a very complete set of options. I would

think the 'Endocrine Health 2 Profile' and 'Thyroid Panel 2' would yield

sufficient results for Adrenals and Thyroid. But if you have the finances to

dig deeper like with the 'Neuro Endocrine 4' perhaps that would be better.

Again, I don't have experience with these tests and perhaps someone on the

list has better options for you.

Dean

[Guest guest]

..

> > Thanks Dean, I am a little confused though. Who do I contact to

> order these tests? Neuroscience or Direct Labs? And would the Neuro

> Encocrine 4 profile test be sufficient for starters?

HI,

I am oversees and send hair samples to Direct Labs. They have been very

efficient, so I have chosen to work with them should I need these tests.

Direct Labs works with many labs and Neuroscience is one of them. You could

probably contact Neuroscience directly and if they say you need to have a

doctors prescription then go through Direct Labs.

But I have not done these tests so I'm not really the best person to ask. I

simple thought they looked like a very complete set of options. I would

think the 'Endocrine Health 2 Profile' and 'Thyroid Panel 2' would yield

sufficient results for Adrenals and Thyroid. But if you have the finances to

dig deeper like with the 'Neuro Endocrine 4' perhaps that would be better.

Again, I don't have experience with these tests and perhaps someone on the

list has better options for you.

Dean

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, I need to get my thyroid and adrenal glands tested. I am 44 years

> old and finished removing 11 amalgams in July. I suffer from low body

> temps, can't gain weight after loosing about 30 lbs and the usual

> brain fog. I have found a thyroid doctor at thyroidabout.com.

>Will a

> mainstream thyroid doctor order blood tests or saliva tests or both to

> check for adrenal fatigue?

It's difficult to say. Most would only order blood tests, and not the

right ones, but there are exceptions.

There are no good blood tests for adrenal fatigue. Saliva testing and

symptoms give a better picture.

Or should I just order a saliva test from

> the internet? I have just finished round one of chelating with DMSA at

> 6mg every four hours. These are very tiny amounts but have not caused

> any problems. Any input on adrenal tests?

I used ZRT labs.

Their tests can be obtained through about.com's 'canary club'

http://www.canaryclub.org/

For saliva, be sure to test 4x per day.

J

> Thanks in advance, Greg

>

[Guest guest]

The only definitive test I know of is the ACTH stimulation test. (and

it's the only test that showed up my adrenal problem... I had both

blood and saliva cortisol done - admittedly nearly a year ago - and

they were fine).

Probably expensive and difficult to get your average doc to order it

though. You need to have a fair degree of suspicion of adrenal

problems I expect. Symptoms?

It involves having an IV put in, and taking three blood cortisol

readings, one " baseline " and two at 30 minute intervals after

administration of synthetic ACTH (the hormone that tells your

adrenals to make cortisol).

Your blood cortisol level should double within 60 min.

It essentially tells you whether your adrenal glands respond properly

when the brain asks them to make more cortisol. If you have " adrenal

fatigue " (it's not clear whether this is a recognised medical

condition) your adrenals won't respond the way they should.

In theory, the best version of this test is the " low-dose " test,

where they give you just 1mcg of ACTH. It should reveal borderline

cases.

My problem is that my baseline cortisol is okay (which I suspect is

why my saliva test was fine) but I don't make extra when I really

need it. We're still trying to figure out why (well, I am - the

endocrinologists aren't interested!). Conventional medicine doesn't

seem too keen on the idea of adrenal fatigue... they want adrenal

problems to either be due to pituitary tumors, or infection or injury

to the adrenal glands. Since they haven't found either in me, they've

given up.... even though something is obviously very very wrong.

> There are no good blood tests for adrenal fatigue. Saliva testing and

> symptoms give a better picture.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

the problem with the ACTH stimulation test is that for a lot of people

it will show up normal. Its not definitive, although a positive is, as

in your case.

For most of us the ACTH -> Cortisol bit of the HPA axis is working

fine. The problem is that ACTH doesn't rise in response to stress in

the first place; i.e. the problem lies in the hypothalamus/pituitary

not in the adrenals per se.

As Andy says:

" The fall in ACTH on exercise stress must be tested that way. Patients

with it usually show normal results on provocative tests using ACTH "

AI page 60

> My problem is that my baseline cortisol is okay (which I suspect is

> why my saliva test was fine) but I don't make extra when I really

> need it. We're still trying to figure out why

Er mercury?

I have a very similar profile to you - normal saliva cortisol, but

very much adrenally fatigued. This is a common pattern amongst the

mercury poisoned.

In Increasing order of uselessness the various adrenal tests are as

follows:

1. Excercise stress test <- Most useful

2. ACTH test

3. Saliva test

4. Plasma cortisol <- Least useful

.

Hurt wrote:

>

> The only definitive test I know of is the ACTH stimulation test. (and

> it's the only test that showed up my adrenal problem... I had both

> blood and saliva cortisol done - admittedly nearly a year ago - and

> they were fine).

>

> Probably expensive and difficult to get your average doc to order it

> though. You need to have a fair degree of suspicion of adrenal

> problems I expect. Symptoms?

>

> It involves having an IV put in, and taking three blood cortisol

> readings, one " baseline " and two at 30 minute intervals after

> administration of synthetic ACTH (the hormone that tells your

> adrenals to make cortisol).

>

> Your blood cortisol level should double within 60 min.

>

> It essentially tells you whether your adrenal glands respond properly

> when the brain asks them to make more cortisol. If you have " adrenal

> fatigue " (it's not clear whether this is a recognised medical

> condition) your adrenals won't respond the way they should.

>

> In theory, the best version of this test is the " low-dose " test,

> where they give you just 1mcg of ACTH. It should reveal borderline

> cases.

>

(well, I am - the

> endocrinologists aren't interested!). Conventional medicine doesn't

> seem too keen on the idea of adrenal fatigue... they want adrenal

> problems to either be due to pituitary tumors, or infection or injury

> to the adrenal glands. Since they haven't found either in me, they've

> given up.... even though something is obviously very very wrong.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > There are no good blood tests for adrenal fatigue. Saliva testing and

> > symptoms give a better picture.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

the problem with the ACTH stimulation test is that for a lot of people

it will show up normal. Its not definitive, although a positive is, as

in your case.

For most of us the ACTH -> Cortisol bit of the HPA axis is working

fine. The problem is that ACTH doesn't rise in response to stress in

the first place; i.e. the problem lies in the hypothalamus/pituitary

not in the adrenals per se.

As Andy says:

" The fall in ACTH on exercise stress must be tested that way. Patients

with it usually show normal results on provocative tests using ACTH "

AI page 60

> My problem is that my baseline cortisol is okay (which I suspect is

> why my saliva test was fine) but I don't make extra when I really

> need it. We're still trying to figure out why

Er mercury?

I have a very similar profile to you - normal saliva cortisol, but

very much adrenally fatigued. This is a common pattern amongst the

mercury poisoned.

In Increasing order of uselessness the various adrenal tests are as

follows:

1. Excercise stress test <- Most useful

2. ACTH test

3. Saliva test

4. Plasma cortisol <- Least useful

.

Hurt wrote:

>

> The only definitive test I know of is the ACTH stimulation test. (and

> it's the only test that showed up my adrenal problem... I had both

> blood and saliva cortisol done - admittedly nearly a year ago - and

> they were fine).

>

> Probably expensive and difficult to get your average doc to order it

> though. You need to have a fair degree of suspicion of adrenal

> problems I expect. Symptoms?

>

> It involves having an IV put in, and taking three blood cortisol

> readings, one " baseline " and two at 30 minute intervals after

> administration of synthetic ACTH (the hormone that tells your

> adrenals to make cortisol).

>

> Your blood cortisol level should double within 60 min.

>

> It essentially tells you whether your adrenal glands respond properly

> when the brain asks them to make more cortisol. If you have " adrenal

> fatigue " (it's not clear whether this is a recognised medical

> condition) your adrenals won't respond the way they should.

>

> In theory, the best version of this test is the " low-dose " test,

> where they give you just 1mcg of ACTH. It should reveal borderline

> cases.

>

(well, I am - the

> endocrinologists aren't interested!). Conventional medicine doesn't

> seem too keen on the idea of adrenal fatigue... they want adrenal

> problems to either be due to pituitary tumors, or infection or injury

> to the adrenal glands. Since they haven't found either in me, they've

> given up.... even though something is obviously very very wrong.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > There are no good blood tests for adrenal fatigue. Saliva testing and

> > symptoms give a better picture.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

the problem with the ACTH stimulation test is that for a lot of people

it will show up normal. Its not definitive, although a positive is, as

in your case.

For most of us the ACTH -> Cortisol bit of the HPA axis is working

fine. The problem is that ACTH doesn't rise in response to stress in

the first place; i.e. the problem lies in the hypothalamus/pituitary

not in the adrenals per se.

As Andy says:

" The fall in ACTH on exercise stress must be tested that way. Patients

with it usually show normal results on provocative tests using ACTH "

AI page 60

> My problem is that my baseline cortisol is okay (which I suspect is

> why my saliva test was fine) but I don't make extra when I really

> need it. We're still trying to figure out why

Er mercury?

I have a very similar profile to you - normal saliva cortisol, but

very much adrenally fatigued. This is a common pattern amongst the

mercury poisoned.

In Increasing order of uselessness the various adrenal tests are as

follows:

1. Excercise stress test <- Most useful

2. ACTH test

3. Saliva test

4. Plasma cortisol <- Least useful

.

Hurt wrote:

>

> The only definitive test I know of is the ACTH stimulation test. (and

> it's the only test that showed up my adrenal problem... I had both

> blood and saliva cortisol done - admittedly nearly a year ago - and

> they were fine).

>

> Probably expensive and difficult to get your average doc to order it

> though. You need to have a fair degree of suspicion of adrenal

> problems I expect. Symptoms?

>

> It involves having an IV put in, and taking three blood cortisol

> readings, one " baseline " and two at 30 minute intervals after

> administration of synthetic ACTH (the hormone that tells your

> adrenals to make cortisol).

>

> Your blood cortisol level should double within 60 min.

>

> It essentially tells you whether your adrenal glands respond properly

> when the brain asks them to make more cortisol. If you have " adrenal

> fatigue " (it's not clear whether this is a recognised medical

> condition) your adrenals won't respond the way they should.

>

> In theory, the best version of this test is the " low-dose " test,

> where they give you just 1mcg of ACTH. It should reveal borderline

> cases.

>

(well, I am - the

> endocrinologists aren't interested!). Conventional medicine doesn't

> seem too keen on the idea of adrenal fatigue... they want adrenal

> problems to either be due to pituitary tumors, or infection or injury

> to the adrenal glands. Since they haven't found either in me, they've

> given up.... even though something is obviously very very wrong.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > There are no good blood tests for adrenal fatigue. Saliva testing and

> > symptoms give a better picture.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, I need to get my thyroid and adrenal glands tested. I am 44 years

> old and finished removing 11 amalgams in July. I suffer from low body

> temps, can't gain weight after loosing about 30 lbs and the usual

> brain fog. I have found a thyroid doctor at thyroidabout.com. Will a

> mainstream thyroid doctor order blood tests or saliva tests or both to

> check for adrenal fatigue? Or should I just order a saliva test from

> the internet? I have just finished round one of chelating with DMSA at

> 6mg every four hours. These are very tiny amounts but have not caused

> any problems. Any input on adrenal tests?

> Thanks in advance, Greg

>

Hi Greg, I went to see my MD to get my adrenals tested. I was handed a saliva

test kit

from ZRT, but the RN said the MD is going on maternity leave and she is the only

MD in

the practice who " knows how to read a saliva test " , and besides, the RN added,

she doesn't

like to rx steroids----only herbs, lifestyle changes, and diet changes.

So...it depends on what MD you get and how they will ultimately handle the

testing,

results, and rx.

I ended up ordering the ZRT adrenal/thyroid kit from CanaryClub.org and I'm

going to

interpret the results with online help (you guys!).

In Andy's books, he lists the recommended thyroid parameters to check.

in Illinois