Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I know who have fibro. One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were sexually abused as kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. Lyndi Grammie wrote: > I received this last November from a news group I was on. I > thought you gals would like to read it. This is possible my case > of how my fibro came about. > > ********************************* > > Monday November 6 12:09 PM ET > Abused Women at Risk for Fibromyalgia > By Amy Norton > > SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Health) - Women who were sexually abused as > children may face a heightened risk for fibromyalgia, a chronic pain syndrome > that typically has no obvious explanation. > > Although researchers say sexual abuse does not cause fibromyalgia, it > may contribute to the onset of the syndrome, which is marked by chronic > pain at ``tender points'' in the neck, shoulders, spine and other body areas. > In a study of 26 women who had been sexually abused as children, > researchers found these women were more likely to report chronic pain compared with 54 women with no > history of abuse. > > Sixty-one percent of abused women said they had suffered pain for 3 > months or more, while 43% of non-abused women did. And for abused women, the pain was more > widespread. Overall, eight women in the study had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, six of whom had > been sexually abused as children. > > Dr. Hillel M. Finestone, of London Health Sciences Centre in London, > Ontario, reported the findings here Saturday at the annual meeting of the > American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. > > Finestone told Reuters Health he decided to investigate whether there > was a relationship between past sexual abuse and fibromyalgia because he > noticed a possible connection among his patients. Although women who were abused may have emotional > scars, Finestone said he has no doubt the women in his study were feeling ``real, physical muscle > pain.'' > > Exactly why sexual abuse may leave women more vulnerable to > fibromyalgia is unclear. It is possible, according to Finestone, that stress had made these women > both more susceptible to muscle injury and pain and less capable of coping with it. > > The bottom line, he said, is that when a patient has unexplained > chronic pain, her doctor should ask whether she was ever sexually abused. ``We > should ask about it just like we ask about a history of heart disease or > diabetes,'' Finestone said, although he acknowledged it is a tough topic to > broach. > > However, he noted, women who were abused may have never realized that > what happened to them as children might still be affecting their health. > Getting psychological help, Finestone said, may help ease their physical > problems. > > **************************** > > Soft Hugs > Aria > Roanoke, Indiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I know who have fibro. One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were sexually abused as kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. Lyndi Grammie wrote: > I received this last November from a news group I was on. I > thought you gals would like to read it. This is possible my case > of how my fibro came about. > > ********************************* > > Monday November 6 12:09 PM ET > Abused Women at Risk for Fibromyalgia > By Amy Norton > > SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Health) - Women who were sexually abused as > children may face a heightened risk for fibromyalgia, a chronic pain syndrome > that typically has no obvious explanation. > > Although researchers say sexual abuse does not cause fibromyalgia, it > may contribute to the onset of the syndrome, which is marked by chronic > pain at ``tender points'' in the neck, shoulders, spine and other body areas. > In a study of 26 women who had been sexually abused as children, > researchers found these women were more likely to report chronic pain compared with 54 women with no > history of abuse. > > Sixty-one percent of abused women said they had suffered pain for 3 > months or more, while 43% of non-abused women did. And for abused women, the pain was more > widespread. Overall, eight women in the study had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, six of whom had > been sexually abused as children. > > Dr. Hillel M. Finestone, of London Health Sciences Centre in London, > Ontario, reported the findings here Saturday at the annual meeting of the > American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. > > Finestone told Reuters Health he decided to investigate whether there > was a relationship between past sexual abuse and fibromyalgia because he > noticed a possible connection among his patients. Although women who were abused may have emotional > scars, Finestone said he has no doubt the women in his study were feeling ``real, physical muscle > pain.'' > > Exactly why sexual abuse may leave women more vulnerable to > fibromyalgia is unclear. It is possible, according to Finestone, that stress had made these women > both more susceptible to muscle injury and pain and less capable of coping with it. > > The bottom line, he said, is that when a patient has unexplained > chronic pain, her doctor should ask whether she was ever sexually abused. ``We > should ask about it just like we ask about a history of heart disease or > diabetes,'' Finestone said, although he acknowledged it is a tough topic to > broach. > > However, he noted, women who were abused may have never realized that > what happened to them as children might still be affecting their health. > Getting psychological help, Finestone said, may help ease their physical > problems. > > **************************** > > Soft Hugs > Aria > Roanoke, Indiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I know who have fibro. One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were sexually abused as kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. Lyndi Grammie wrote: > I received this last November from a news group I was on. I > thought you gals would like to read it. This is possible my case > of how my fibro came about. > > ********************************* > > Monday November 6 12:09 PM ET > Abused Women at Risk for Fibromyalgia > By Amy Norton > > SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Health) - Women who were sexually abused as > children may face a heightened risk for fibromyalgia, a chronic pain syndrome > that typically has no obvious explanation. > > Although researchers say sexual abuse does not cause fibromyalgia, it > may contribute to the onset of the syndrome, which is marked by chronic > pain at ``tender points'' in the neck, shoulders, spine and other body areas. > In a study of 26 women who had been sexually abused as children, > researchers found these women were more likely to report chronic pain compared with 54 women with no > history of abuse. > > Sixty-one percent of abused women said they had suffered pain for 3 > months or more, while 43% of non-abused women did. And for abused women, the pain was more > widespread. Overall, eight women in the study had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, six of whom had > been sexually abused as children. > > Dr. Hillel M. Finestone, of London Health Sciences Centre in London, > Ontario, reported the findings here Saturday at the annual meeting of the > American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. > > Finestone told Reuters Health he decided to investigate whether there > was a relationship between past sexual abuse and fibromyalgia because he > noticed a possible connection among his patients. Although women who were abused may have emotional > scars, Finestone said he has no doubt the women in his study were feeling ``real, physical muscle > pain.'' > > Exactly why sexual abuse may leave women more vulnerable to > fibromyalgia is unclear. It is possible, according to Finestone, that stress had made these women > both more susceptible to muscle injury and pain and less capable of coping with it. > > The bottom line, he said, is that when a patient has unexplained > chronic pain, her doctor should ask whether she was ever sexually abused. ``We > should ask about it just like we ask about a history of heart disease or > diabetes,'' Finestone said, although he acknowledged it is a tough topic to > broach. > > However, he noted, women who were abused may have never realized that > what happened to them as children might still be affecting their health. > Getting psychological help, Finestone said, may help ease their physical > problems. > > **************************** > > Soft Hugs > Aria > Roanoke, Indiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote: >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars, believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it -- and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I contracted mononucleosis last year. It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I question this line of research. It's entirely possible that a significant number of women have FM later on in life, but such can be said for a great number of other ailments as well. I don't personally feel as if my abuse history plays much part in my current situation, if any. I acted out my abuse in MUCH different (and more dangerous) ways, and only got past that with years of cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about male FM patients who experienced childhood abuse? What about the evidently large number of women who were not abused and yet still have contracted this syndrome? I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me -- almost to the point of being overtly sexist. Our pain is only mysterious because no one has yet figured out why we have it. It does not follow that because the pain is mysterious, it must have an emotional groundwork. In our quest to understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the unknown with the unknowable. Respectfully, Em ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is the tale, not he who tells it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote: >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars, believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it -- and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I contracted mononucleosis last year. It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I question this line of research. It's entirely possible that a significant number of women have FM later on in life, but such can be said for a great number of other ailments as well. I don't personally feel as if my abuse history plays much part in my current situation, if any. I acted out my abuse in MUCH different (and more dangerous) ways, and only got past that with years of cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about male FM patients who experienced childhood abuse? What about the evidently large number of women who were not abused and yet still have contracted this syndrome? I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me -- almost to the point of being overtly sexist. Our pain is only mysterious because no one has yet figured out why we have it. It does not follow that because the pain is mysterious, it must have an emotional groundwork. In our quest to understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the unknown with the unknowable. Respectfully, Em ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is the tale, not he who tells it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote: >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars, believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it -- and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I contracted mononucleosis last year. It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I question this line of research. It's entirely possible that a significant number of women have FM later on in life, but such can be said for a great number of other ailments as well. I don't personally feel as if my abuse history plays much part in my current situation, if any. I acted out my abuse in MUCH different (and more dangerous) ways, and only got past that with years of cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about male FM patients who experienced childhood abuse? What about the evidently large number of women who were not abused and yet still have contracted this syndrome? I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me -- almost to the point of being overtly sexist. Our pain is only mysterious because no one has yet figured out why we have it. It does not follow that because the pain is mysterious, it must have an emotional groundwork. In our quest to understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the unknown with the unknowable. Respectfully, Em ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is the tale, not he who tells it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I was not sexually abused but I was physically abused. Very badly. For almost 12 years. I think that had a lot to do with me having fibro now. Take care, Irene I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I know who have fibro. One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were sexually abused as kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I was not sexually abused but I was physically abused. Very badly. For almost 12 years. I think that had a lot to do with me having fibro now. Take care, Irene I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I know who have fibro. One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were sexually abused as kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I was not sexually abused but I was physically abused. Very badly. For almost 12 years. I think that had a lot to do with me having fibro now. Take care, Irene I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I know who have fibro. One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were sexually abused as kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I was date raped at the young age of 17 and then at the young age of 18 I was held down and sodimized by a very drunk cop, plus I have been mentally abused by my alchy father. I totally agree with this article because after the 1st attack my health started to go, and then I picked up depression severely and then I started to experience fatiuge all the time and constant pain. Plus I have had three docs (two of em Rheumys) tell me that FMS is caused usually by extreme stress and/or sexual abuse. So I totally agree with this just because all of the EXTREME Stress levels I have in my life and have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I was date raped at the young age of 17 and then at the young age of 18 I was held down and sodimized by a very drunk cop, plus I have been mentally abused by my alchy father. I totally agree with this article because after the 1st attack my health started to go, and then I picked up depression severely and then I started to experience fatiuge all the time and constant pain. Plus I have had three docs (two of em Rheumys) tell me that FMS is caused usually by extreme stress and/or sexual abuse. So I totally agree with this just because all of the EXTREME Stress levels I have in my life and have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I was date raped at the young age of 17 and then at the young age of 18 I was held down and sodimized by a very drunk cop, plus I have been mentally abused by my alchy father. I totally agree with this article because after the 1st attack my health started to go, and then I picked up depression severely and then I started to experience fatiuge all the time and constant pain. Plus I have had three docs (two of em Rheumys) tell me that FMS is caused usually by extreme stress and/or sexual abuse. So I totally agree with this just because all of the EXTREME Stress levels I have in my life and have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you. I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your body and later be fibromyalgia. I have read and I don't know where that pain that we have can be a remembered pain by the body. Just as my tinnitus is not really noise but it is a sort of echo from your brain. I know that I am probably not explaining this properly but I do think that my fibro came from those beatings. My sister has MS and had rheumatic fever as a child and my doctor now believe that I probably had a mild case that was not diagnosed. I lived in W.Va. in a coal mining town and the doctors were not of the best. Take care, Irene << I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars, believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years ago I stopped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it -- and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I contracted mononucleosis last year. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you. I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your body and later be fibromyalgia. I have read and I don't know where that pain that we have can be a remembered pain by the body. Just as my tinnitus is not really noise but it is a sort of echo from your brain. I know that I am probably not explaining this properly but I do think that my fibro came from those beatings. My sister has MS and had rheumatic fever as a child and my doctor now believe that I probably had a mild case that was not diagnosed. I lived in W.Va. in a coal mining town and the doctors were not of the best. Take care, Irene << I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars, believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years ago I stopped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it -- and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I contracted mononucleosis last year. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Hi Em, I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was never abused as a child. But, I do believe that " stress, " however caused, over time does cause the FM. It might be that there is some chemical thing in us that causes us to react that way to stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of time, at least for me. The reason that I think my FM is 90 percent better the last eight years is that the stress has lessened and I've developed an attitude, or whatever you want to call it, where I don't let things bother me anymore. Anyway, that's what I think has worked for me. Joanne --- janissa@... wrote: > At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote: > >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one > had experienced genuine > >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain > everyone was being honest. > > I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically > I guess) I did experience > several types of childhood abuse. But isn't > this coming dangerously close > to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect > that abuse can leave scars, > believe me; I have the years of therapy to > prove it. But over five years > ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my > therapist jokingly put it -- > and I feel these are issues I have conquered > and moved past. I can't > really see a link between that and my FM, which > only began after I > contracted mononucleosis last year. > > It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I > question this line of > research. It's entirely possible that a > significant number of women have > FM later on in life, but such can be said for a > great number of other > ailments as well. I don't personally feel as > if my abuse history plays > much part in my current situation, if any. I > acted out my abuse in MUCH > different (and more dangerous) ways, and only > got past that with years of > cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about > male FM patients who > experienced childhood abuse? What about the > evidently large number of > women who were not abused and yet still have > contracted this syndrome? > > I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me > -- almost to the point of > being overtly sexist. Our pain is only > mysterious because no one has yet > figured out why we have it. It does not follow > that because the pain is > mysterious, it must have an emotional > groundwork. In our quest to > understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the > unknown with the unknowable. > > Respectfully, > Em > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > It is the tale, not he who tells it. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Hi Em, I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was never abused as a child. But, I do believe that " stress, " however caused, over time does cause the FM. It might be that there is some chemical thing in us that causes us to react that way to stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of time, at least for me. The reason that I think my FM is 90 percent better the last eight years is that the stress has lessened and I've developed an attitude, or whatever you want to call it, where I don't let things bother me anymore. Anyway, that's what I think has worked for me. Joanne --- janissa@... wrote: > At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote: > >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one > had experienced genuine > >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain > everyone was being honest. > > I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically > I guess) I did experience > several types of childhood abuse. But isn't > this coming dangerously close > to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect > that abuse can leave scars, > believe me; I have the years of therapy to > prove it. But over five years > ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my > therapist jokingly put it -- > and I feel these are issues I have conquered > and moved past. I can't > really see a link between that and my FM, which > only began after I > contracted mononucleosis last year. > > It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I > question this line of > research. It's entirely possible that a > significant number of women have > FM later on in life, but such can be said for a > great number of other > ailments as well. I don't personally feel as > if my abuse history plays > much part in my current situation, if any. I > acted out my abuse in MUCH > different (and more dangerous) ways, and only > got past that with years of > cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about > male FM patients who > experienced childhood abuse? What about the > evidently large number of > women who were not abused and yet still have > contracted this syndrome? > > I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me > -- almost to the point of > being overtly sexist. Our pain is only > mysterious because no one has yet > figured out why we have it. It does not follow > that because the pain is > mysterious, it must have an emotional > groundwork. In our quest to > understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the > unknown with the unknowable. > > Respectfully, > Em > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > It is the tale, not he who tells it. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Hi Em, I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was never abused as a child. But, I do believe that " stress, " however caused, over time does cause the FM. It might be that there is some chemical thing in us that causes us to react that way to stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of time, at least for me. The reason that I think my FM is 90 percent better the last eight years is that the stress has lessened and I've developed an attitude, or whatever you want to call it, where I don't let things bother me anymore. Anyway, that's what I think has worked for me. Joanne --- janissa@... wrote: > At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote: > >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one > had experienced genuine > >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain > everyone was being honest. > > I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically > I guess) I did experience > several types of childhood abuse. But isn't > this coming dangerously close > to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect > that abuse can leave scars, > believe me; I have the years of therapy to > prove it. But over five years > ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my > therapist jokingly put it -- > and I feel these are issues I have conquered > and moved past. I can't > really see a link between that and my FM, which > only began after I > contracted mononucleosis last year. > > It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I > question this line of > research. It's entirely possible that a > significant number of women have > FM later on in life, but such can be said for a > great number of other > ailments as well. I don't personally feel as > if my abuse history plays > much part in my current situation, if any. I > acted out my abuse in MUCH > different (and more dangerous) ways, and only > got past that with years of > cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about > male FM patients who > experienced childhood abuse? What about the > evidently large number of > women who were not abused and yet still have > contracted this syndrome? > > I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me > -- almost to the point of > being overtly sexist. Our pain is only > mysterious because no one has yet > figured out why we have it. It does not follow > that because the pain is > mysterious, it must have an emotional > groundwork. In our quest to > understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the > unknown with the unknowable. > > Respectfully, > Em > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > It is the tale, not he who tells it. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Don't you think that being abused as a child would be stressful? I was sexually abused by my mother. I was physically and emotionally abused by her also. I have been emotionally abused by my husband for many years When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised that I had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high stressed job that all the symptoms started. Joanne wrote: > Hi Em, > > I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was > never abused as a child. But, I do believe that > " stress, " however caused, over time does cause > the FM. It might be that there is some chemical > thing in us that causes us to react that way to > stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about > a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of > time, at least for me. Soft Hugs Aria Roanoke, Indiana http://ariasplace.freeservers.com Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR ICQ: 36167718 Check out my lists when you have time: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericaUnderCovers Mystery Quilt: Nov - Dec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USA4JesusQuiltBlockSwap Bible block patterns will be used http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlockOfTheMonth http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuiltingWithLimitations http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFOsInTheQuiltWorld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Don't you think that being abused as a child would be stressful? I was sexually abused by my mother. I was physically and emotionally abused by her also. I have been emotionally abused by my husband for many years When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised that I had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high stressed job that all the symptoms started. Joanne wrote: > Hi Em, > > I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was > never abused as a child. But, I do believe that > " stress, " however caused, over time does cause > the FM. It might be that there is some chemical > thing in us that causes us to react that way to > stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about > a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of > time, at least for me. Soft Hugs Aria Roanoke, Indiana http://ariasplace.freeservers.com Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR ICQ: 36167718 Check out my lists when you have time: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericaUnderCovers Mystery Quilt: Nov - Dec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USA4JesusQuiltBlockSwap Bible block patterns will be used http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlockOfTheMonth http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuiltingWithLimitations http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFOsInTheQuiltWorld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Don't you think that being abused as a child would be stressful? I was sexually abused by my mother. I was physically and emotionally abused by her also. I have been emotionally abused by my husband for many years When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised that I had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high stressed job that all the symptoms started. Joanne wrote: > Hi Em, > > I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was > never abused as a child. But, I do believe that > " stress, " however caused, over time does cause > the FM. It might be that there is some chemical > thing in us that causes us to react that way to > stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about > a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of > time, at least for me. Soft Hugs Aria Roanoke, Indiana http://ariasplace.freeservers.com Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR ICQ: 36167718 Check out my lists when you have time: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericaUnderCovers Mystery Quilt: Nov - Dec http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USA4JesusQuiltBlockSwap Bible block patterns will be used http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlockOfTheMonth http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuiltingWithLimitations http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFOsInTheQuiltWorld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 At 03:15 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, patidu@... wrote: >I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you. Why are you sorry? I mean, this is just an honest exchange of opinions on a VERY volatile subject. I in turn have meant no offense to those members of the list who believe their abuse history and current FM diagnosis are fundamentally connected. I can't say you're wrong -- I can't say I'm right. >I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause >damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your >body and later be fibromyalgia. Okay, before I step out of this discussion entirely -- if you think I meant that that abuse had NO impact on your FM, you misread me. As I've said: I do not think abuse is the SOLE stressor to cause FM. That doesn't mean it isn't *one* of the stressors. It may very well be. But people with no history of childhood or adult abuse of any kind *also* have fibromyalgia, so it cannot be the sole factor. Or we may be talking about two different problems. Again: I apologize for offending anyone on the list; such offense wasn't intended. I feel so bad today that I think breathing AIR causes fibromyalgia. I could tell you tons about what I used to do as a result of my abuse, and much of it would curl your hair, including my being resuscitated after being strangled. But I still don't think that's the only factor in my syndrome. It's one of many. I'm not sure how to proceed here, so I'll just bow out for a while. Y'all have a good week. Best, Em ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is the tale, not he who tells it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 At 03:15 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, patidu@... wrote: >I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you. Why are you sorry? I mean, this is just an honest exchange of opinions on a VERY volatile subject. I in turn have meant no offense to those members of the list who believe their abuse history and current FM diagnosis are fundamentally connected. I can't say you're wrong -- I can't say I'm right. >I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause >damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your >body and later be fibromyalgia. Okay, before I step out of this discussion entirely -- if you think I meant that that abuse had NO impact on your FM, you misread me. As I've said: I do not think abuse is the SOLE stressor to cause FM. That doesn't mean it isn't *one* of the stressors. It may very well be. But people with no history of childhood or adult abuse of any kind *also* have fibromyalgia, so it cannot be the sole factor. Or we may be talking about two different problems. Again: I apologize for offending anyone on the list; such offense wasn't intended. I feel so bad today that I think breathing AIR causes fibromyalgia. I could tell you tons about what I used to do as a result of my abuse, and much of it would curl your hair, including my being resuscitated after being strangled. But I still don't think that's the only factor in my syndrome. It's one of many. I'm not sure how to proceed here, so I'll just bow out for a while. Y'all have a good week. Best, Em ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is the tale, not he who tells it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 At 03:15 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, patidu@... wrote: >I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you. Why are you sorry? I mean, this is just an honest exchange of opinions on a VERY volatile subject. I in turn have meant no offense to those members of the list who believe their abuse history and current FM diagnosis are fundamentally connected. I can't say you're wrong -- I can't say I'm right. >I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause >damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your >body and later be fibromyalgia. Okay, before I step out of this discussion entirely -- if you think I meant that that abuse had NO impact on your FM, you misread me. As I've said: I do not think abuse is the SOLE stressor to cause FM. That doesn't mean it isn't *one* of the stressors. It may very well be. But people with no history of childhood or adult abuse of any kind *also* have fibromyalgia, so it cannot be the sole factor. Or we may be talking about two different problems. Again: I apologize for offending anyone on the list; such offense wasn't intended. I feel so bad today that I think breathing AIR causes fibromyalgia. I could tell you tons about what I used to do as a result of my abuse, and much of it would curl your hair, including my being resuscitated after being strangled. But I still don't think that's the only factor in my syndrome. It's one of many. I'm not sure how to proceed here, so I'll just bow out for a while. Y'all have a good week. Best, Em ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is the tale, not he who tells it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Hi, Oh, yes, I totally agree the child abuse probably caused your FM. I was just saying that child abuse alone wasn't the cause but the great stress your mother caused you, which in your case was child abuse. That's what I meant. The stress can be a bad marriage, a horrible boss, your child dying or going bad, etc. That's what I meant. My main abuse was being married 12 years to a violent alcoholic who emotionally and physically abused me. I got better after leaving him, but not that much better because I had two kids to take care of on my own. My ex, by the way, murdered his second wife and her son. No wonder my daughter is messed up. Anyway, once my kids were on their own and doing okay, I got better. Joanne --- Grammie wrote: > Don't you think that being abused as a child > would be stressful? > I was sexually abused by my mother. I was > physically and emotionally abused by her also. > I have > been emotionally abused by my husband for many > years > When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised > that I > had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high > stressed > job that all the symptoms started. > > Joanne wrote: > > > Hi Em, > > > > I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I > was > > never abused as a child. But, I do believe > that > > " stress, " however caused, over time does > cause > > the FM. It might be that there is some > chemical > > thing in us that causes us to react that way > to > > stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking > about > > a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of > > time, at least for me. > > Soft Hugs > Aria > Roanoke, Indiana > > http://ariasplace.freeservers.com > Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR > ICQ: 36167718 > > Check out my lists when you have time: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericaUnderCovers > Mystery Quilt: Nov - Dec > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USA4JesusQuiltBlockSwap > Bible block patterns will be used > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlockOfTheMonth > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuiltingWithLimitations > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFOsInTheQuiltWorld > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Hi, Oh, yes, I totally agree the child abuse probably caused your FM. I was just saying that child abuse alone wasn't the cause but the great stress your mother caused you, which in your case was child abuse. That's what I meant. The stress can be a bad marriage, a horrible boss, your child dying or going bad, etc. That's what I meant. My main abuse was being married 12 years to a violent alcoholic who emotionally and physically abused me. I got better after leaving him, but not that much better because I had two kids to take care of on my own. My ex, by the way, murdered his second wife and her son. No wonder my daughter is messed up. Anyway, once my kids were on their own and doing okay, I got better. Joanne --- Grammie wrote: > Don't you think that being abused as a child > would be stressful? > I was sexually abused by my mother. I was > physically and emotionally abused by her also. > I have > been emotionally abused by my husband for many > years > When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised > that I > had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high > stressed > job that all the symptoms started. > > Joanne wrote: > > > Hi Em, > > > > I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I > was > > never abused as a child. But, I do believe > that > > " stress, " however caused, over time does > cause > > the FM. It might be that there is some > chemical > > thing in us that causes us to react that way > to > > stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking > about > > a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of > > time, at least for me. > > Soft Hugs > Aria > Roanoke, Indiana > > http://ariasplace.freeservers.com > Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR > ICQ: 36167718 > > Check out my lists when you have time: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericaUnderCovers > Mystery Quilt: Nov - Dec > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USA4JesusQuiltBlockSwap > Bible block patterns will be used > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlockOfTheMonth > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuiltingWithLimitations > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFOsInTheQuiltWorld > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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