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I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I

know who have fibro.

One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were

sexually abused as

kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at

the meeting, only one

had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was

being honest.

Lyndi

Grammie wrote:

> I received this last November from a news group I was on. I

> thought you gals would like to read it. This is possible my case

> of how my fibro came about.

>

> *********************************

>

> Monday November 6 12:09 PM ET

> Abused Women at Risk for Fibromyalgia

> By Amy Norton

>

> SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Health) - Women who were sexually abused as

> children may face a heightened risk for fibromyalgia, a chronic pain syndrome

> that typically has no obvious explanation.

>

> Although researchers say sexual abuse does not cause fibromyalgia, it

> may contribute to the onset of the syndrome, which is marked by chronic

> pain at ``tender points'' in the neck, shoulders, spine and other body areas.

> In a study of 26 women who had been sexually abused as children,

> researchers found these women were more likely to report chronic pain compared

with 54 women with no

> history of abuse.

>

> Sixty-one percent of abused women said they had suffered pain for 3

> months or more, while 43% of non-abused women did. And for abused women, the

pain was more

> widespread. Overall, eight women in the study had been diagnosed with

fibromyalgia, six of whom had

> been sexually abused as children.

>

> Dr. Hillel M. Finestone, of London Health Sciences Centre in London,

> Ontario, reported the findings here Saturday at the annual meeting of the

> American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.

>

> Finestone told Reuters Health he decided to investigate whether there

> was a relationship between past sexual abuse and fibromyalgia because he

> noticed a possible connection among his patients. Although women who were

abused may have emotional

> scars, Finestone said he has no doubt the women in his study were feeling

``real, physical muscle

> pain.''

>

> Exactly why sexual abuse may leave women more vulnerable to

> fibromyalgia is unclear. It is possible, according to Finestone, that stress

had made these women

> both more susceptible to muscle injury and pain and less capable of coping

with it.

>

> The bottom line, he said, is that when a patient has unexplained

> chronic pain, her doctor should ask whether she was ever sexually abused. ``We

> should ask about it just like we ask about a history of heart disease or

> diabetes,'' Finestone said, although he acknowledged it is a tough topic to

> broach.

>

> However, he noted, women who were abused may have never realized that

> what happened to them as children might still be affecting their health.

> Getting psychological help, Finestone said, may help ease their physical

> problems.

>

> ****************************

>

> Soft Hugs

> Aria

> Roanoke, Indiana

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I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I

know who have fibro.

One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were

sexually abused as

kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at

the meeting, only one

had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was

being honest.

Lyndi

Grammie wrote:

> I received this last November from a news group I was on. I

> thought you gals would like to read it. This is possible my case

> of how my fibro came about.

>

> *********************************

>

> Monday November 6 12:09 PM ET

> Abused Women at Risk for Fibromyalgia

> By Amy Norton

>

> SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Health) - Women who were sexually abused as

> children may face a heightened risk for fibromyalgia, a chronic pain syndrome

> that typically has no obvious explanation.

>

> Although researchers say sexual abuse does not cause fibromyalgia, it

> may contribute to the onset of the syndrome, which is marked by chronic

> pain at ``tender points'' in the neck, shoulders, spine and other body areas.

> In a study of 26 women who had been sexually abused as children,

> researchers found these women were more likely to report chronic pain compared

with 54 women with no

> history of abuse.

>

> Sixty-one percent of abused women said they had suffered pain for 3

> months or more, while 43% of non-abused women did. And for abused women, the

pain was more

> widespread. Overall, eight women in the study had been diagnosed with

fibromyalgia, six of whom had

> been sexually abused as children.

>

> Dr. Hillel M. Finestone, of London Health Sciences Centre in London,

> Ontario, reported the findings here Saturday at the annual meeting of the

> American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.

>

> Finestone told Reuters Health he decided to investigate whether there

> was a relationship between past sexual abuse and fibromyalgia because he

> noticed a possible connection among his patients. Although women who were

abused may have emotional

> scars, Finestone said he has no doubt the women in his study were feeling

``real, physical muscle

> pain.''

>

> Exactly why sexual abuse may leave women more vulnerable to

> fibromyalgia is unclear. It is possible, according to Finestone, that stress

had made these women

> both more susceptible to muscle injury and pain and less capable of coping

with it.

>

> The bottom line, he said, is that when a patient has unexplained

> chronic pain, her doctor should ask whether she was ever sexually abused. ``We

> should ask about it just like we ask about a history of heart disease or

> diabetes,'' Finestone said, although he acknowledged it is a tough topic to

> broach.

>

> However, he noted, women who were abused may have never realized that

> what happened to them as children might still be affecting their health.

> Getting psychological help, Finestone said, may help ease their physical

> problems.

>

> ****************************

>

> Soft Hugs

> Aria

> Roanoke, Indiana

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I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other people I

know who have fibro.

One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us were

sexually abused as

kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us at

the meeting, only one

had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was

being honest.

Lyndi

Grammie wrote:

> I received this last November from a news group I was on. I

> thought you gals would like to read it. This is possible my case

> of how my fibro came about.

>

> *********************************

>

> Monday November 6 12:09 PM ET

> Abused Women at Risk for Fibromyalgia

> By Amy Norton

>

> SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Health) - Women who were sexually abused as

> children may face a heightened risk for fibromyalgia, a chronic pain syndrome

> that typically has no obvious explanation.

>

> Although researchers say sexual abuse does not cause fibromyalgia, it

> may contribute to the onset of the syndrome, which is marked by chronic

> pain at ``tender points'' in the neck, shoulders, spine and other body areas.

> In a study of 26 women who had been sexually abused as children,

> researchers found these women were more likely to report chronic pain compared

with 54 women with no

> history of abuse.

>

> Sixty-one percent of abused women said they had suffered pain for 3

> months or more, while 43% of non-abused women did. And for abused women, the

pain was more

> widespread. Overall, eight women in the study had been diagnosed with

fibromyalgia, six of whom had

> been sexually abused as children.

>

> Dr. Hillel M. Finestone, of London Health Sciences Centre in London,

> Ontario, reported the findings here Saturday at the annual meeting of the

> American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.

>

> Finestone told Reuters Health he decided to investigate whether there

> was a relationship between past sexual abuse and fibromyalgia because he

> noticed a possible connection among his patients. Although women who were

abused may have emotional

> scars, Finestone said he has no doubt the women in his study were feeling

``real, physical muscle

> pain.''

>

> Exactly why sexual abuse may leave women more vulnerable to

> fibromyalgia is unclear. It is possible, according to Finestone, that stress

had made these women

> both more susceptible to muscle injury and pain and less capable of coping

with it.

>

> The bottom line, he said, is that when a patient has unexplained

> chronic pain, her doctor should ask whether she was ever sexually abused. ``We

> should ask about it just like we ask about a history of heart disease or

> diabetes,'' Finestone said, although he acknowledged it is a tough topic to

> broach.

>

> However, he noted, women who were abused may have never realized that

> what happened to them as children might still be affecting their health.

> Getting psychological help, Finestone said, may help ease their physical

> problems.

>

> ****************************

>

> Soft Hugs

> Aria

> Roanoke, Indiana

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At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote:

>Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine

>sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest.

I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience

several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close

to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars,

believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years

ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it --

and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't

really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I

contracted mononucleosis last year.

It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I question this line of

research. It's entirely possible that a significant number of women have

FM later on in life, but such can be said for a great number of other

ailments as well. I don't personally feel as if my abuse history plays

much part in my current situation, if any. I acted out my abuse in MUCH

different (and more dangerous) ways, and only got past that with years of

cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about male FM patients who

experienced childhood abuse? What about the evidently large number of

women who were not abused and yet still have contracted this syndrome?

I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me -- almost to the point of

being overtly sexist. Our pain is only mysterious because no one has yet

figured out why we have it. It does not follow that because the pain is

mysterious, it must have an emotional groundwork. In our quest to

understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the unknown with the unknowable.

Respectfully,

Em

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is the tale, not he who tells it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote:

>Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine

>sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest.

I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience

several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close

to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars,

believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years

ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it --

and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't

really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I

contracted mononucleosis last year.

It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I question this line of

research. It's entirely possible that a significant number of women have

FM later on in life, but such can be said for a great number of other

ailments as well. I don't personally feel as if my abuse history plays

much part in my current situation, if any. I acted out my abuse in MUCH

different (and more dangerous) ways, and only got past that with years of

cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about male FM patients who

experienced childhood abuse? What about the evidently large number of

women who were not abused and yet still have contracted this syndrome?

I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me -- almost to the point of

being overtly sexist. Our pain is only mysterious because no one has yet

figured out why we have it. It does not follow that because the pain is

mysterious, it must have an emotional groundwork. In our quest to

understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the unknown with the unknowable.

Respectfully,

Em

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is the tale, not he who tells it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote:

>Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one had experienced genuine

>sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone was being honest.

I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience

several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close

to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars,

believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years

ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it --

and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't

really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I

contracted mononucleosis last year.

It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I question this line of

research. It's entirely possible that a significant number of women have

FM later on in life, but such can be said for a great number of other

ailments as well. I don't personally feel as if my abuse history plays

much part in my current situation, if any. I acted out my abuse in MUCH

different (and more dangerous) ways, and only got past that with years of

cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about male FM patients who

experienced childhood abuse? What about the evidently large number of

women who were not abused and yet still have contracted this syndrome?

I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me -- almost to the point of

being overtly sexist. Our pain is only mysterious because no one has yet

figured out why we have it. It does not follow that because the pain is

mysterious, it must have an emotional groundwork. In our quest to

understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the unknown with the unknowable.

Respectfully,

Em

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is the tale, not he who tells it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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I was not sexually abused but I was physically abused. Very badly. For

almost 12 years. I think that had a lot to do with me having fibro now.

Take care,

Irene

I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other

people I know who have fibro.

One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us

were sexually abused as

kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us

at the meeting, only one

had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone

was being honest.

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I was not sexually abused but I was physically abused. Very badly. For

almost 12 years. I think that had a lot to do with me having fibro now.

Take care,

Irene

I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other

people I know who have fibro.

One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us

were sexually abused as

kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us

at the meeting, only one

had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone

was being honest.

>>

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I was not sexually abused but I was physically abused. Very badly. For

almost 12 years. I think that had a lot to do with me having fibro now.

Take care,

Irene

I read a report about this a while ago and decided to check with other

people I know who have fibro.

One of my sisters, one niece, one nephew and myself have fibro. None of us

were sexually abused as

kids. We also discussed this in our local fibro group. Of the twelve of us

at the meeting, only one

had experienced genuine sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain everyone

was being honest.

>>

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I was date raped at the young age of 17 and then at the young age of 18 I was

held down and sodimized by a very drunk cop, plus I have been mentally abused

by my alchy father. I totally agree with this article because after the 1st

attack my health started to go, and then I picked up depression severely and

then I started to experience fatiuge all the time and constant pain. Plus I

have had three docs (two of em Rheumys) tell me that FMS is caused usually by

extreme stress and/or sexual abuse. So I totally agree with this just because

all of the EXTREME Stress levels I have in my life and have had.

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I was date raped at the young age of 17 and then at the young age of 18 I was

held down and sodimized by a very drunk cop, plus I have been mentally abused

by my alchy father. I totally agree with this article because after the 1st

attack my health started to go, and then I picked up depression severely and

then I started to experience fatiuge all the time and constant pain. Plus I

have had three docs (two of em Rheumys) tell me that FMS is caused usually by

extreme stress and/or sexual abuse. So I totally agree with this just because

all of the EXTREME Stress levels I have in my life and have had.

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I was date raped at the young age of 17 and then at the young age of 18 I was

held down and sodimized by a very drunk cop, plus I have been mentally abused

by my alchy father. I totally agree with this article because after the 1st

attack my health started to go, and then I picked up depression severely and

then I started to experience fatiuge all the time and constant pain. Plus I

have had three docs (two of em Rheumys) tell me that FMS is caused usually by

extreme stress and/or sexual abuse. So I totally agree with this just because

all of the EXTREME Stress levels I have in my life and have had.

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I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you. I think 12 or 13 years of

being beaten with a belt could easily cause damage to your muscles and the

pain from those years could linger in your body and later be fibromyalgia.

I have read and I don't know where that pain that we have can be a remembered

pain by the body. Just as my tinnitus is not really noise but it is a sort

of echo from your brain.

I know that I am probably not explaining this properly but I do think that my

fibro came from those beatings. My sister has MS and had rheumatic fever as

a child and my doctor now believe that I probably had a mild case that was

not diagnosed. I lived in W.Va. in a coal mining town and the doctors were

not of the best.

Take care, Irene

<<

I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience

several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close

to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars,

believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years

ago I stopped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it --

and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't

really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I

contracted mononucleosis last year.

>>

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I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you. I think 12 or 13 years of

being beaten with a belt could easily cause damage to your muscles and the

pain from those years could linger in your body and later be fibromyalgia.

I have read and I don't know where that pain that we have can be a remembered

pain by the body. Just as my tinnitus is not really noise but it is a sort

of echo from your brain.

I know that I am probably not explaining this properly but I do think that my

fibro came from those beatings. My sister has MS and had rheumatic fever as

a child and my doctor now believe that I probably had a mild case that was

not diagnosed. I lived in W.Va. in a coal mining town and the doctors were

not of the best.

Take care, Irene

<<

I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically I guess) I did experience

several types of childhood abuse. But isn't this coming dangerously close

to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect that abuse can leave scars,

believe me; I have the years of therapy to prove it. But over five years

ago I stopped therapy -- " graduated, " as my therapist jokingly put it --

and I feel these are issues I have conquered and moved past. I can't

really see a link between that and my FM, which only began after I

contracted mononucleosis last year.

>>

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Hi Em,

I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was

never abused as a child. But, I do believe that

" stress, " however caused, over time does cause

the FM. It might be that there is some chemical

thing in us that causes us to react that way to

stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about

a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

time, at least for me.

The reason that I think my FM is 90 percent

better the last eight years is that the stress

has lessened and I've developed an attitude, or

whatever you want to call it, where I don't let

things bother me anymore. Anyway, that's what I

think has worked for me.

Joanne

--- janissa@... wrote:

> At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote:

> >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one

> had experienced genuine

> >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain

> everyone was being honest.

>

> I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically

> I guess) I did experience

> several types of childhood abuse. But isn't

> this coming dangerously close

> to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect

> that abuse can leave scars,

> believe me; I have the years of therapy to

> prove it. But over five years

> ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my

> therapist jokingly put it --

> and I feel these are issues I have conquered

> and moved past. I can't

> really see a link between that and my FM, which

> only began after I

> contracted mononucleosis last year.

>

> It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I

> question this line of

> research. It's entirely possible that a

> significant number of women have

> FM later on in life, but such can be said for a

> great number of other

> ailments as well. I don't personally feel as

> if my abuse history plays

> much part in my current situation, if any. I

> acted out my abuse in MUCH

> different (and more dangerous) ways, and only

> got past that with years of

> cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about

> male FM patients who

> experienced childhood abuse? What about the

> evidently large number of

> women who were not abused and yet still have

> contracted this syndrome?

>

> I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me

> -- almost to the point of

> being overtly sexist. Our pain is only

> mysterious because no one has yet

> figured out why we have it. It does not follow

> that because the pain is

> mysterious, it must have an emotional

> groundwork. In our quest to

> understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the

> unknown with the unknowable.

>

> Respectfully,

> Em

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> It is the tale, not he who tells it.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>

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Hi Em,

I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was

never abused as a child. But, I do believe that

" stress, " however caused, over time does cause

the FM. It might be that there is some chemical

thing in us that causes us to react that way to

stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about

a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

time, at least for me.

The reason that I think my FM is 90 percent

better the last eight years is that the stress

has lessened and I've developed an attitude, or

whatever you want to call it, where I don't let

things bother me anymore. Anyway, that's what I

think has worked for me.

Joanne

--- janissa@... wrote:

> At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote:

> >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one

> had experienced genuine

> >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain

> everyone was being honest.

>

> I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically

> I guess) I did experience

> several types of childhood abuse. But isn't

> this coming dangerously close

> to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect

> that abuse can leave scars,

> believe me; I have the years of therapy to

> prove it. But over five years

> ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my

> therapist jokingly put it --

> and I feel these are issues I have conquered

> and moved past. I can't

> really see a link between that and my FM, which

> only began after I

> contracted mononucleosis last year.

>

> It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I

> question this line of

> research. It's entirely possible that a

> significant number of women have

> FM later on in life, but such can be said for a

> great number of other

> ailments as well. I don't personally feel as

> if my abuse history plays

> much part in my current situation, if any. I

> acted out my abuse in MUCH

> different (and more dangerous) ways, and only

> got past that with years of

> cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about

> male FM patients who

> experienced childhood abuse? What about the

> evidently large number of

> women who were not abused and yet still have

> contracted this syndrome?

>

> I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me

> -- almost to the point of

> being overtly sexist. Our pain is only

> mysterious because no one has yet

> figured out why we have it. It does not follow

> that because the pain is

> mysterious, it must have an emotional

> groundwork. In our quest to

> understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the

> unknown with the unknowable.

>

> Respectfully,

> Em

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> It is the tale, not he who tells it.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>

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Hi Em,

I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was

never abused as a child. But, I do believe that

" stress, " however caused, over time does cause

the FM. It might be that there is some chemical

thing in us that causes us to react that way to

stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about

a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

time, at least for me.

The reason that I think my FM is 90 percent

better the last eight years is that the stress

has lessened and I've developed an attitude, or

whatever you want to call it, where I don't let

things bother me anymore. Anyway, that's what I

think has worked for me.

Joanne

--- janissa@... wrote:

> At 05:54 PM 10/22/2001 -0500, Lyndi wrote:

> >Of the twelve of us at the meeting, only one

> had experienced genuine

> >sexual abuse as a kid. I'm quite certain

> everyone was being honest.

>

> I don't mean this to sound bad, and (ironically

> I guess) I did experience

> several types of childhood abuse. But isn't

> this coming dangerously close

> to saying, " It's all in our heads? " I respect

> that abuse can leave scars,

> believe me; I have the years of therapy to

> prove it. But over five years

> ago I stoppped therapy -- " graduated, " as my

> therapist jokingly put it --

> and I feel these are issues I have conquered

> and moved past. I can't

> really see a link between that and my FM, which

> only began after I

> contracted mononucleosis last year.

>

> It isn't my intent to be argumentative, but I

> question this line of

> research. It's entirely possible that a

> significant number of women have

> FM later on in life, but such can be said for a

> great number of other

> ailments as well. I don't personally feel as

> if my abuse history plays

> much part in my current situation, if any. I

> acted out my abuse in MUCH

> different (and more dangerous) ways, and only

> got past that with years of

> cognitive-behavioral therapy. And what about

> male FM patients who

> experienced childhood abuse? What about the

> evidently large number of

> women who were not abused and yet still have

> contracted this syndrome?

>

> I'm sorry -- this sounds really suspect to me

> -- almost to the point of

> being overtly sexist. Our pain is only

> mysterious because no one has yet

> figured out why we have it. It does not follow

> that because the pain is

> mysterious, it must have an emotional

> groundwork. In our quest to

> understand our syndrome, let's not conflate the

> unknown with the unknowable.

>

> Respectfully,

> Em

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> It is the tale, not he who tells it.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>

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Don't you think that being abused as a child would be stressful?

I was sexually abused by my mother. I was

physically and emotionally abused by her also. I have

been emotionally abused by my husband for many years

When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised that I

had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high stressed

job that all the symptoms started.

Joanne wrote:

> Hi Em,

>

> I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was

> never abused as a child. But, I do believe that

> " stress, " however caused, over time does cause

> the FM. It might be that there is some chemical

> thing in us that causes us to react that way to

> stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about

> a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

> time, at least for me.

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Don't you think that being abused as a child would be stressful?

I was sexually abused by my mother. I was

physically and emotionally abused by her also. I have

been emotionally abused by my husband for many years

When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised that I

had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high stressed

job that all the symptoms started.

Joanne wrote:

> Hi Em,

>

> I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was

> never abused as a child. But, I do believe that

> " stress, " however caused, over time does cause

> the FM. It might be that there is some chemical

> thing in us that causes us to react that way to

> stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about

> a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

> time, at least for me.

Soft Hugs

Aria

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Don't you think that being abused as a child would be stressful?

I was sexually abused by my mother. I was

physically and emotionally abused by her also. I have

been emotionally abused by my husband for many years

When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised that I

had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high stressed

job that all the symptoms started.

Joanne wrote:

> Hi Em,

>

> I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I was

> never abused as a child. But, I do believe that

> " stress, " however caused, over time does cause

> the FM. It might be that there is some chemical

> thing in us that causes us to react that way to

> stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking about

> a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

> time, at least for me.

Soft Hugs

Aria

Roanoke, Indiana

http://ariasplace.freeservers.com

Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR

ICQ: 36167718

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At 03:15 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, patidu@... wrote:

>I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you.

Why are you sorry? I mean, this is just an honest exchange of opinions on

a VERY volatile subject. I in turn have meant no offense to those members

of the list who believe their abuse history and current FM diagnosis are

fundamentally connected. I can't say you're wrong -- I can't say I'm right.

>I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause

>damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your

>body and later be fibromyalgia.

Okay, before I step out of this discussion entirely -- if you think I meant

that that abuse had NO impact on your FM, you misread me. As I've said: I

do not think abuse is the SOLE stressor to cause FM. That doesn't mean it

isn't *one* of the stressors. It may very well be. But people with no

history of childhood or adult abuse of any kind *also* have fibromyalgia,

so it cannot be the sole factor. Or we may be talking about two different

problems.

Again: I apologize for offending anyone on the list; such offense wasn't

intended. I feel so bad today that I think breathing AIR causes

fibromyalgia. I could tell you tons about what I used to do as a result of

my abuse, and much of it would curl your hair, including my being

resuscitated after being strangled. But I still don't think that's the

only factor in my syndrome. It's one of many.

I'm not sure how to proceed here, so I'll just bow out for a while. Y'all

have a good week.

Best,

Em

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At 03:15 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, patidu@... wrote:

>I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you.

Why are you sorry? I mean, this is just an honest exchange of opinions on

a VERY volatile subject. I in turn have meant no offense to those members

of the list who believe their abuse history and current FM diagnosis are

fundamentally connected. I can't say you're wrong -- I can't say I'm right.

>I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause

>damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your

>body and later be fibromyalgia.

Okay, before I step out of this discussion entirely -- if you think I meant

that that abuse had NO impact on your FM, you misread me. As I've said: I

do not think abuse is the SOLE stressor to cause FM. That doesn't mean it

isn't *one* of the stressors. It may very well be. But people with no

history of childhood or adult abuse of any kind *also* have fibromyalgia,

so it cannot be the sole factor. Or we may be talking about two different

problems.

Again: I apologize for offending anyone on the list; such offense wasn't

intended. I feel so bad today that I think breathing AIR causes

fibromyalgia. I could tell you tons about what I used to do as a result of

my abuse, and much of it would curl your hair, including my being

resuscitated after being strangled. But I still don't think that's the

only factor in my syndrome. It's one of many.

I'm not sure how to proceed here, so I'll just bow out for a while. Y'all

have a good week.

Best,

Em

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At 03:15 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, patidu@... wrote:

>I am sorry but I feel that I disagree with you.

Why are you sorry? I mean, this is just an honest exchange of opinions on

a VERY volatile subject. I in turn have meant no offense to those members

of the list who believe their abuse history and current FM diagnosis are

fundamentally connected. I can't say you're wrong -- I can't say I'm right.

>I think 12 or 13 years of being beaten with a belt could easily cause

>damage to your muscles and the pain from those years could linger in your

>body and later be fibromyalgia.

Okay, before I step out of this discussion entirely -- if you think I meant

that that abuse had NO impact on your FM, you misread me. As I've said: I

do not think abuse is the SOLE stressor to cause FM. That doesn't mean it

isn't *one* of the stressors. It may very well be. But people with no

history of childhood or adult abuse of any kind *also* have fibromyalgia,

so it cannot be the sole factor. Or we may be talking about two different

problems.

Again: I apologize for offending anyone on the list; such offense wasn't

intended. I feel so bad today that I think breathing AIR causes

fibromyalgia. I could tell you tons about what I used to do as a result of

my abuse, and much of it would curl your hair, including my being

resuscitated after being strangled. But I still don't think that's the

only factor in my syndrome. It's one of many.

I'm not sure how to proceed here, so I'll just bow out for a while. Y'all

have a good week.

Best,

Em

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Hi,

Oh, yes, I totally agree the child abuse probably

caused your FM. I was just saying that child

abuse alone wasn't the cause but the great stress

your mother caused you, which in your case was

child abuse. That's what I meant. The stress

can be a bad marriage, a horrible boss, your

child dying or going bad, etc. That's what I

meant. My main abuse was being married 12 years

to a violent alcoholic who emotionally and

physically abused me. I got better after leaving

him, but not that much better because I had two

kids to take care of on my own. My ex, by the

way, murdered his second wife and her son. No

wonder my daughter is messed up. Anyway, once my

kids were on their own and doing okay, I got

better.

Joanne

--- Grammie wrote:

> Don't you think that being abused as a child

> would be stressful?

> I was sexually abused by my mother. I was

> physically and emotionally abused by her also.

> I have

> been emotionally abused by my husband for many

> years

> When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised

> that I

> had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high

> stressed

> job that all the symptoms started.

>

> Joanne wrote:

>

> > Hi Em,

> >

> > I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I

> was

> > never abused as a child. But, I do believe

> that

> > " stress, " however caused, over time does

> cause

> > the FM. It might be that there is some

> chemical

> > thing in us that causes us to react that way

> to

> > stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking

> about

> > a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

> > time, at least for me.

>

> Soft Hugs

> Aria

> Roanoke, Indiana

>

> http://ariasplace.freeservers.com

> Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR

> ICQ: 36167718

>

> Check out my lists when you have time:

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericaUnderCovers

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>

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USA4JesusQuiltBlockSwap

> Bible block patterns will be used

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlockOfTheMonth

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuiltingWithLimitations

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFOsInTheQuiltWorld

>

>

>

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Hi,

Oh, yes, I totally agree the child abuse probably

caused your FM. I was just saying that child

abuse alone wasn't the cause but the great stress

your mother caused you, which in your case was

child abuse. That's what I meant. The stress

can be a bad marriage, a horrible boss, your

child dying or going bad, etc. That's what I

meant. My main abuse was being married 12 years

to a violent alcoholic who emotionally and

physically abused me. I got better after leaving

him, but not that much better because I had two

kids to take care of on my own. My ex, by the

way, murdered his second wife and her son. No

wonder my daughter is messed up. Anyway, once my

kids were on their own and doing okay, I got

better.

Joanne

--- Grammie wrote:

> Don't you think that being abused as a child

> would be stressful?

> I was sexually abused by my mother. I was

> physically and emotionally abused by her also.

> I have

> been emotionally abused by my husband for many

> years

> When I heard about all this I wasn't surprised

> that I

> had FM. It wasn't until I went to a very high

> stressed

> job that all the symptoms started.

>

> Joanne wrote:

>

> > Hi Em,

> >

> > I don't believe childhood abuse causes FM. I

> was

> > never abused as a child. But, I do believe

> that

> > " stress, " however caused, over time does

> cause

> > the FM. It might be that there is some

> chemical

> > thing in us that causes us to react that way

> to

> > stress. But, and I mean, but, I'm talking

> about

> > a LOT of stress over a pretty long period of

> > time, at least for me.

>

> Soft Hugs

> Aria

> Roanoke, Indiana

>

> http://ariasplace.freeservers.com

> Yahoo & AOL Instant Messenger: AriaAJR

> ICQ: 36167718

>

> Check out my lists when you have time:

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericaUnderCovers

> Mystery Quilt: Nov - Dec

>

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USA4JesusQuiltBlockSwap

> Bible block patterns will be used

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlockOfTheMonth

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuiltingWithLimitations

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFOsInTheQuiltWorld

>

>

>

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