Re: hydrocortisone questions

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> Ok, I'm going to start hydrocortisone tomorrow and am getting

> nervous. I'm doing the saliva test today but doc believes I clearly

> have adrenal problems. I have also tested very high for copper (110

> and that was 3 yrs ago).

>

> Just read on curezone that HC may cause retention of copper? Also

> have read that it will flush it out? So which is it??

My understanding is you need healthy adrenal function to produce

ceruloplasmin (this is the protein that binds copper in the blood

and allows your body to move it out of storage and out of the body).

If your adrenal function is low then you won't have enough

ceruloplasmin and your copper will not be mobilized and will remain

in the body. I don't think you want excess cortisol either, just

healthy, balanced cortisol.

> Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take it

> every day.

If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

--

> What do you guys think?

>

> thanks,

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

> Just read on curezone that HC may cause retention of copper?

According the Amalgam Illness, bottom of pg 99, cortisol lowers copper.

In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20 mg

HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

(Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

W.

[Guest guest]

> Just read on curezone that HC may cause retention of copper?

According the Amalgam Illness, bottom of pg 99, cortisol lowers copper.

In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20 mg

HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

(Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

W.

[Guest guest]

> Just read on curezone that HC may cause retention of copper?

According the Amalgam Illness, bottom of pg 99, cortisol lowers copper.

In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20 mg

HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

(Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

W.

[Guest guest]

>

> In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20

mg

> HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

> (Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

> early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

>

> W.

---------------------

,

That's too bad. Have you done anything else to reduce your copper

load? Zinc, B6,diet, etc..? Also, have you noticed any health

improvements on HC?

Thanks,

Val

[Guest guest]

>

> In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20

mg

> HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

> (Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

> early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

>

> W.

---------------------

,

That's too bad. Have you done anything else to reduce your copper

load? Zinc, B6,diet, etc..? Also, have you noticed any health

improvements on HC?

Thanks,

Val

[Guest guest]

>

> In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20

mg

> HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

> (Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

> early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

>

> W.

---------------------

,

That's too bad. Have you done anything else to reduce your copper

load? Zinc, B6,diet, etc..? Also, have you noticed any health

improvements on HC?

Thanks,

Val

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . You really know your stuff. Your post awhile

back about my adrenals being a concern was dead-on. At the time I

read it, I was thinking oh no, I have enough problems with

mercury/copper. But now I realize from reading here, that getting

my hormones adrenal/thyroid working is a huge step in getting

better. Then, I'll focus on chelation. Right now, I feel as if I

want to collapse. Some unbelievable work stress hit me recently out

of the blue, and I'm at my lowest point ever. It's amazing I am

still showing up for work.

Val

---------------------------------

> > Hey Guys,

> >

> > Ok, I'm going to start hydrocortisone tomorrow and am getting

> > nervous. I'm doing the saliva test today but doc believes I

clearly

> > have adrenal problems. I have also tested very high for copper

(110

> > and that was 3 yrs ago).

> >

> > Just read on curezone that HC may cause retention of copper?

Also

> > have read that it will flush it out? So which is it??

>

>

>

> My understanding is you need healthy adrenal function to produce

> ceruloplasmin (this is the protein that binds copper in the blood

> and allows your body to move it out of storage and out of the

body).

>

> If your adrenal function is low then you won't have enough

> ceruloplasmin and your copper will not be mobilized and will

remain

> in the body. I don't think you want excess cortisol either, just

> healthy, balanced cortisol.

>

>

>

> > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take

it

> > every day.

>

>

> If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

>

> --

>

>

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> > thanks,

> > Val

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . You really know your stuff. Your post awhile

back about my adrenals being a concern was dead-on. At the time I

read it, I was thinking oh no, I have enough problems with

mercury/copper. But now I realize from reading here, that getting

my hormones adrenal/thyroid working is a huge step in getting

better. Then, I'll focus on chelation. Right now, I feel as if I

want to collapse. Some unbelievable work stress hit me recently out

of the blue, and I'm at my lowest point ever. It's amazing I am

still showing up for work.

Val

---------------------------------

> > Hey Guys,

> >

> > Ok, I'm going to start hydrocortisone tomorrow and am getting

> > nervous. I'm doing the saliva test today but doc believes I

clearly

> > have adrenal problems. I have also tested very high for copper

(110

> > and that was 3 yrs ago).

> >

> > Just read on curezone that HC may cause retention of copper?

Also

> > have read that it will flush it out? So which is it??

>

>

>

> My understanding is you need healthy adrenal function to produce

> ceruloplasmin (this is the protein that binds copper in the blood

> and allows your body to move it out of storage and out of the

body).

>

> If your adrenal function is low then you won't have enough

> ceruloplasmin and your copper will not be mobilized and will

remain

> in the body. I don't think you want excess cortisol either, just

> healthy, balanced cortisol.

>

>

>

> > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take

it

> > every day.

>

>

> If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

>

> --

>

>

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> > thanks,

> > Val

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . You really know your stuff. Your post awhile

back about my adrenals being a concern was dead-on. At the time I

read it, I was thinking oh no, I have enough problems with

mercury/copper. But now I realize from reading here, that getting

my hormones adrenal/thyroid working is a huge step in getting

better. Then, I'll focus on chelation. Right now, I feel as if I

want to collapse. Some unbelievable work stress hit me recently out

of the blue, and I'm at my lowest point ever. It's amazing I am

still showing up for work.

Val

---------------------------------

> > Hey Guys,

> >

> > Ok, I'm going to start hydrocortisone tomorrow and am getting

> > nervous. I'm doing the saliva test today but doc believes I

clearly

> > have adrenal problems. I have also tested very high for copper

(110

> > and that was 3 yrs ago).

> >

> > Just read on curezone that HC may cause retention of copper?

Also

> > have read that it will flush it out? So which is it??

>

>

>

> My understanding is you need healthy adrenal function to produce

> ceruloplasmin (this is the protein that binds copper in the blood

> and allows your body to move it out of storage and out of the

body).

>

> If your adrenal function is low then you won't have enough

> ceruloplasmin and your copper will not be mobilized and will

remain

> in the body. I don't think you want excess cortisol either, just

> healthy, balanced cortisol.

>

>

>

> > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take

it

> > every day.

>

>

> If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

>

> --

>

>

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> > thanks,

> > Val

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20

> mg

> > HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

> > (Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

> > early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

> >

> > W.

>

>

> ---------------------

>

> ,

>

> That's too bad. Have you done anything else to reduce your copper

> load? Zinc, B6,diet, etc..?

Yes. For over a year, I've done the copper elimination diet, no

copper in supplements, over 200mg zinc/day in divided doses,

500-1,000mcg of molybdenum, milk thistle, glycine, taurine and

phosphatidylcholine with each meal. U haven't done particularly high

amounts of B6. I had my water tested for copper. I haven't found any

way to bring it down. I had been chelating with ALA according to the

guidelines for people with high copper in Hair Test Interpretation.

I've decided to use only DMSA for a few months to see if that helps.

During that time, I'll do everything I can to help my adrenals,

thyroid and liver. If that doesn't bring it down the only

possibilities left at that point will be trying to find bile duct

obstruction or trying to get a doctor to prescribe trientine

hydrochloride.

> Also, have you noticed any health improvements on HC?

Yes. I think I could not have tolerated Armour without it. I have

much less fatigue and joint pain than I did prior to starting them in

June. I think I am more mentally with it, too.

W.

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20

> mg

> > HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

> > (Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

> > early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

> >

> > W.

>

>

> ---------------------

>

> ,

>

> That's too bad. Have you done anything else to reduce your copper

> load? Zinc, B6,diet, etc..?

Yes. For over a year, I've done the copper elimination diet, no

copper in supplements, over 200mg zinc/day in divided doses,

500-1,000mcg of molybdenum, milk thistle, glycine, taurine and

phosphatidylcholine with each meal. U haven't done particularly high

amounts of B6. I had my water tested for copper. I haven't found any

way to bring it down. I had been chelating with ALA according to the

guidelines for people with high copper in Hair Test Interpretation.

I've decided to use only DMSA for a few months to see if that helps.

During that time, I'll do everything I can to help my adrenals,

thyroid and liver. If that doesn't bring it down the only

possibilities left at that point will be trying to find bile duct

obstruction or trying to get a doctor to prescribe trientine

hydrochloride.

> Also, have you noticed any health improvements on HC?

Yes. I think I could not have tolerated Armour without it. I have

much less fatigue and joint pain than I did prior to starting them in

June. I think I am more mentally with it, too.

W.

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20

> mg

> > HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

> > (Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

> > early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

> >

> > W.

>

>

> ---------------------

>

> ,

>

> That's too bad. Have you done anything else to reduce your copper

> load? Zinc, B6,diet, etc..?

Yes. For over a year, I've done the copper elimination diet, no

copper in supplements, over 200mg zinc/day in divided doses,

500-1,000mcg of molybdenum, milk thistle, glycine, taurine and

phosphatidylcholine with each meal. U haven't done particularly high

amounts of B6. I had my water tested for copper. I haven't found any

way to bring it down. I had been chelating with ALA according to the

guidelines for people with high copper in Hair Test Interpretation.

I've decided to use only DMSA for a few months to see if that helps.

During that time, I'll do everything I can to help my adrenals,

thyroid and liver. If that doesn't bring it down the only

possibilities left at that point will be trying to find bile duct

obstruction or trying to get a doctor to prescribe trientine

hydrochloride.

> Also, have you noticed any health improvements on HC?

Yes. I think I could not have tolerated Armour without it. I have

much less fatigue and joint pain than I did prior to starting them in

June. I think I am more mentally with it, too.

W.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > >

> > > In my personal experience, HC has no effect so far. I started 20

> > mg

> > > HC in June. In early August, my hair test showed 120 for copper.

> > > (Hair tests reflect what was going on a month or two before.) In

> > > early October, my hair test for copper was exactly the same.

> > >

> > > W.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------

> >

> > ,

> >

> > That's too bad. Have you done anything else to reduce your copper

> > load? Zinc, B6,diet, etc..?

>

> Yes. For over a year, I've done the copper elimination diet, no

> copper in supplements, over 200mg zinc/day in divided doses,

> 500-1,000mcg of molybdenum, milk thistle, glycine, taurine and

> phosphatidylcholine with each meal. U haven't done particularly high

> amounts of B6. I had my water tested for copper. I haven't found any

> way to bring it down. I had been chelating with ALA according to the

> guidelines for people with high copper in Hair Test Interpretation.

> I've decided to use only DMSA for a few months to see if that helps.

> During that time, I'll do everything I can to help my adrenals,

> thyroid and liver. If that doesn't bring it down the only

> possibilities left at that point will be trying to find bile duct

> obstruction or trying to get a doctor to prescribe trientine

> hydrochloride.

>

> > Also, have you noticed any health improvements on HC?

>

> Yes. I think I could not have tolerated Armour without it. I have

> much less fatigue and joint pain than I did prior to starting them in

> June. I think I am more mentally with it, too.

>

> W.

>

Wow your problem is exactly like mine!!!!! My problem has been going

on for about 8 months. I can't get my copper levels fully down no

matter what I do!!!!! Andy Cutler claims mercury is what causes this

copper/zinc imbalance and chelation is the only thing that is going to

cure it really.

It felt like I amost eliminated copper after the 5th round of

chelation but my copper levels quickly went back up and hasn't gone

down since.

Chromium definitely reduces copper but still doesn't cure it and seems

to make my connective tissure problems worse, along with my mood

problems.

I seriously losing my mind over this.

[Guest guest]

This type of thinking sounds an off shoot from those that think HC

supplementation will cause permanent reliance on steroids. Low level

physiologic doses will not permanently suppress the adrenals.

In fact, if you skip a day, you can almost be defeating the purpose

of letting your adrenals rest and regain strength. This skipping a

day can act as an added stress to your body, thereby not helping the

adrenals to heal.

~Inga

> > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take it

> > every day.

>

> If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

[Guest guest]

This type of thinking sounds an off shoot from those that think HC

supplementation will cause permanent reliance on steroids. Low level

physiologic doses will not permanently suppress the adrenals.

In fact, if you skip a day, you can almost be defeating the purpose

of letting your adrenals rest and regain strength. This skipping a

day can act as an added stress to your body, thereby not helping the

adrenals to heal.

~Inga

> > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take it

> > every day.

>

> If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

[Guest guest]

thanks, Ingrid. I was thinking that too. I guess my source was

mistaken. I'm already noticing an improvement on just day 2!

val

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> This type of thinking sounds an off shoot from those that think

HC

> supplementation will cause permanent reliance on steroids. Low

level

> physiologic doses will not permanently suppress the adrenals.

>

> In fact, if you skip a day, you can almost be defeating the

purpose

> of letting your adrenals rest and regain strength. This skipping

a

> day can act as an added stress to your body, thereby not helping

the

> adrenals to heal.

>

> ~Inga

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take it

> > > every day.

> >

> > If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> > own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks, Ingrid. I was thinking that too. I guess my source was

mistaken. I'm already noticing an improvement on just day 2!

val

---------------------

> This type of thinking sounds an off shoot from those that think

HC

> supplementation will cause permanent reliance on steroids. Low

level

> physiologic doses will not permanently suppress the adrenals.

>

> In fact, if you skip a day, you can almost be defeating the

purpose

> of letting your adrenals rest and regain strength. This skipping

a

> day can act as an added stress to your body, thereby not helping

the

> adrenals to heal.

>

> ~Inga

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take it

> > > every day.

> >

> > If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> > own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks, Ingrid. I was thinking that too. I guess my source was

mistaken. I'm already noticing an improvement on just day 2!

val

---------------------

> This type of thinking sounds an off shoot from those that think

HC

> supplementation will cause permanent reliance on steroids. Low

level

> physiologic doses will not permanently suppress the adrenals.

>

> In fact, if you skip a day, you can almost be defeating the

purpose

> of letting your adrenals rest and regain strength. This skipping

a

> day can act as an added stress to your body, thereby not helping

the

> adrenals to heal.

>

> ~Inga

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > Also, a friend advised me to take breaks on it - not to take it

> > > every day.

> >

> > If you take a replacement dose, this is supposed to suppress your

> > own adrenal function and you will need to take it everyday.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Val, I'm sure others have responded already, but the HC should

really help with the work stress. I'm only using Isocort, but it

seems to help me recover faster from things that would have really

wiped me out before I started using it. I think you really really

need it, and will be pleasantly surprised once you start taking it.

I hope things get better, and really glad you found a good doctor!---

-----Jackie

>

----------------------------

Jackie,

I always feel so much better after reading your posts. The HC is

working although I will say it's up and down. I've heard that's to

be expected at first. I was talking with a friend last night who

commented she could tell just by my voice that I was improving - it

had more of a " lift " . Regarding the work stress - I've turned it

over to the Union.. and God.

Val

[Guest guest]

>

> Val, I'm sure others have responded already, but the HC should

really help with the work stress. I'm only using Isocort, but it

seems to help me recover faster from things that would have really

wiped me out before I started using it. I think you really really

need it, and will be pleasantly surprised once you start taking it.

I hope things get better, and really glad you found a good doctor!---

-----Jackie

>

----------------------------

Jackie,

I always feel so much better after reading your posts. The HC is

working although I will say it's up and down. I've heard that's to

be expected at first. I was talking with a friend last night who

commented she could tell just by my voice that I was improving - it

had more of a " lift " . Regarding the work stress - I've turned it

over to the Union.. and God.

Val

[Guest guest]

>

> Val, I'm sure others have responded already, but the HC should

really help with the work stress. I'm only using Isocort, but it

seems to help me recover faster from things that would have really

wiped me out before I started using it. I think you really really

need it, and will be pleasantly surprised once you start taking it.

I hope things get better, and really glad you found a good doctor!---

-----Jackie

>

----------------------------

Jackie,

I always feel so much better after reading your posts. The HC is

working although I will say it's up and down. I've heard that's to

be expected at first. I was talking with a friend last night who

commented she could tell just by my voice that I was improving - it

had more of a " lift " . Regarding the work stress - I've turned it

over to the Union.. and God.

Val