Re: MS and worsening - tom

[Guest guest]

Have you been tested/checked out for Lyme and co-infections?

-----------------------------------------------------

> TK--- how much are you using of what chelators

> and on what schedule ?

> How long are your rounds ?

> All amalgam has been removed Correct ?

> No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> Treating for gi pathogens also ?

> testing and addressing thyroid and adrenals, hormones ?

>

>

>

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up

to

> > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> >

> > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much

time?

> >

> > Please give hopegiving lines!

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tom

> >

> > Re; MS and worsening

> >

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> >

> > others in this group).

> >

> > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> >

> > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for

the

> best

> >

> > protocol...).

> >

> > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> improved

> >

> > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> >

> > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> Treatment (

> > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to

as " the

> > roller coaster

> > ride. "

> >

> > Study the figure well.

> >

> >

> > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> >

> > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months

in.

> > This is

> > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> >

> > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> >

> > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> >

> > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> >

> >

> > I'm very confused now.

> >

> > What should I do?

> >

> > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> >

> > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of

right

> > now, you

> > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > chelation

> > without too much difficulty.

> >

> > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > injections

> > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> sites

> > all

> > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> they

> > don't " help "

> > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC

(also

> > known as

> > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is

IT.

> >

> > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> cell

> > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> might

> > find an open

> > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> prescribing

> > information on the web.

> >

> > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of

vitamin E

> > (1000+ IU

> > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-

2000

> > mcg of

> > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > already have

> > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several

times a

> day.

> >

> > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > relatively

> > easy to do.

> >

> > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers

is

> the

> > amino

> > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy

or

> > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you

try

> it,

> > start with 250 mg

> > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> 3000.

> > Stop it

> > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> with poor

> > balance the most.

> >

> > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> will

> > be on

> > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> you stop

> > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> that

> > from

> > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and

you

> need

> > to help it by

> > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how

your

> body

> > dumps

> > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> >

> > Andy . . .. . . .

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

---

> ------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Have you been tested/checked out for Lyme and co-infections?

-----------------------------------------------------

> TK--- how much are you using of what chelators

> and on what schedule ?

> How long are your rounds ?

> All amalgam has been removed Correct ?

> No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> Treating for gi pathogens also ?

> testing and addressing thyroid and adrenals, hormones ?

>

>

>

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up

to

> > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> >

> > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much

time?

> >

> > Please give hopegiving lines!

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tom

> >

> > Re; MS and worsening

> >

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> >

> > others in this group).

> >

> > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> >

> > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for

the

> best

> >

> > protocol...).

> >

> > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> improved

> >

> > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> >

> > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> Treatment (

> > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to

as " the

> > roller coaster

> > ride. "

> >

> > Study the figure well.

> >

> >

> > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> >

> > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months

in.

> > This is

> > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> >

> > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> >

> > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> >

> > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> >

> >

> > I'm very confused now.

> >

> > What should I do?

> >

> > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> >

> > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of

right

> > now, you

> > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > chelation

> > without too much difficulty.

> >

> > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > injections

> > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> sites

> > all

> > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> they

> > don't " help "

> > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC

(also

> > known as

> > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is

IT.

> >

> > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> cell

> > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> might

> > find an open

> > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> prescribing

> > information on the web.

> >

> > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of

vitamin E

> > (1000+ IU

> > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-

2000

> > mcg of

> > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > already have

> > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several

times a

> day.

> >

> > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > relatively

> > easy to do.

> >

> > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers

is

> the

> > amino

> > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy

or

> > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you

try

> it,

> > start with 250 mg

> > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> 3000.

> > Stop it

> > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> with poor

> > balance the most.

> >

> > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> will

> > be on

> > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> you stop

> > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> that

> > from

> > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and

you

> need

> > to help it by

> > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how

your

> body

> > dumps

> > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> >

> > Andy . . .. . . .

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

---

> ------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Have you been tested/checked out for Lyme and co-infections?

-----------------------------------------------------

> TK--- how much are you using of what chelators

> and on what schedule ?

> How long are your rounds ?

> All amalgam has been removed Correct ?

> No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> Treating for gi pathogens also ?

> testing and addressing thyroid and adrenals, hormones ?

>

>

>

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up

to

> > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> >

> > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much

time?

> >

> > Please give hopegiving lines!

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tom

> >

> > Re; MS and worsening

> >

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> >

> > others in this group).

> >

> > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> >

> > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for

the

> best

> >

> > protocol...).

> >

> > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> improved

> >

> > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> >

> > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> Treatment (

> > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to

as " the

> > roller coaster

> > ride. "

> >

> > Study the figure well.

> >

> >

> > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> >

> > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months

in.

> > This is

> > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> >

> > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> >

> > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> >

> > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> >

> >

> > I'm very confused now.

> >

> > What should I do?

> >

> > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> >

> > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of

right

> > now, you

> > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > chelation

> > without too much difficulty.

> >

> > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > injections

> > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> sites

> > all

> > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> they

> > don't " help "

> > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC

(also

> > known as

> > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is

IT.

> >

> > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> cell

> > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> might

> > find an open

> > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> prescribing

> > information on the web.

> >

> > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of

vitamin E

> > (1000+ IU

> > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-

2000

> > mcg of

> > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > already have

> > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several

times a

> day.

> >

> > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > relatively

> > easy to do.

> >

> > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers

is

> the

> > amino

> > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy

or

> > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you

try

> it,

> > start with 250 mg

> > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> 3000.

> > Stop it

> > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> with poor

> > balance the most.

> >

> > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> will

> > be on

> > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> you stop

> > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> that

> > from

> > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and

you

> need

> > to help it by

> > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how

your

> body

> > dumps

> > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> >

> > Andy . . .. . . .

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

---

> ------------

> >

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up to

> > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> >

> > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much time?

> >

> > Please give hopegiving lines!

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tom

> >

> > Re; MS and worsening

> >

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> >

> > others in this group).

> >

> > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> >

> > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for the

> best

> >

> > protocol...).

> >

> > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> improved

> >

> > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> >

> > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> Treatment (

> > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to as " the

> > roller coaster

> > ride. "

> >

> > Study the figure well.

> >

> >

> > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> >

> > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months in.

> > This is

> > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> >

> > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> >

> > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> >

> > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> >

> >

> > I'm very confused now.

> >

> > What should I do?

> >

> > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> >

> > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of right

> > now, you

> > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > chelation

> > without too much difficulty.

> >

> > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > injections

> > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> sites

> > all

> > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> they

> > don't " help "

> > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC (also

> > known as

> > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is IT.

> >

> > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> cell

> > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> might

> > find an open

> > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> prescribing

> > information on the web.

> >

> > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of vitamin E

> > (1000+ IU

> > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-2000

> > mcg of

> > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > already have

> > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several times a

> day.

> >

> > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > relatively

> > easy to do.

> >

> > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers is

> the

> > amino

> > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy or

> > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you try

> it,

> > start with 250 mg

> > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> 3000.

> > Stop it

> > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> with poor

> > balance the most.

> >

> > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> will

> > be on

> > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> you stop

> > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> that

> > from

> > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and you

> need

> > to help it by

> > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how your

> body

> > dumps

> > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> >

> > Andy . . .. . . .

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------------

> >

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up to

> > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> >

> > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much time?

> >

> > Please give hopegiving lines!

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tom

> >

> > Re; MS and worsening

> >

> >

> > Dear Andy/All,

> >

> > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> >

> > others in this group).

> >

> > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> >

> > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for the

> best

> >

> > protocol...).

> >

> > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> improved

> >

> > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> >

> > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> Treatment (

> > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to as " the

> > roller coaster

> > ride. "

> >

> > Study the figure well.

> >

> >

> > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> >

> > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months in.

> > This is

> > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> >

> > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> >

> > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> >

> > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> >

> >

> > I'm very confused now.

> >

> > What should I do?

> >

> > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> >

> > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of right

> > now, you

> > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > chelation

> > without too much difficulty.

> >

> > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > injections

> > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> sites

> > all

> > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> they

> > don't " help "

> > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC (also

> > known as

> > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is IT.

> >

> > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> cell

> > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> might

> > find an open

> > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> prescribing

> > information on the web.

> >

> > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of vitamin E

> > (1000+ IU

> > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-2000

> > mcg of

> > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > already have

> > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several times a

> day.

> >

> > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > relatively

> > easy to do.

> >

> > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers is

> the

> > amino

> > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy or

> > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you try

> it,

> > start with 250 mg

> > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> 3000.

> > Stop it

> > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> with poor

> > balance the most.

> >

> > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> will

> > be on

> > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> you stop

> > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> that

> > from

> > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and you

> need

> > to help it by

> > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how your

> body

> > dumps

> > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> >

> > Andy . . .. . . .

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------------

> >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Dear Andy/All,

> > >

> > > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up

> to

> > > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> > >

> > > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much

> time?

> > >

> > > Please give hopegiving lines!

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Tom

> > >

> > > Re; MS and worsening

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Andy/All,

> > >

> > > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> > >

> > > others in this group).

> > >

> > > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> > >

> > > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for

> the

> > best

> > >

> > > protocol...).

> > >

> > > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> > improved

> > >

> > > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> > >

> > > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> > Treatment (

> > > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to

> as " the

> > > roller coaster

> > > ride. "

> > >

> > > Study the figure well.

> > >

> > >

> > > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> > >

> > > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months

> in.

> > > This is

> > > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> > >

> > > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> > >

> > > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> > >

> > > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm very confused now.

> > >

> > > What should I do?

> > >

> > > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> > >

> > > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of

> right

> > > now, you

> > > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > > chelation

> > > without too much difficulty.

> > >

> > > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > > injections

> > > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> > sites

> > > all

> > > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> > they

> > > don't " help "

> > > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC

> (also

> > > known as

> > > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is

> IT.

> > >

> > > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> > cell

> > > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> > might

> > > find an open

> > > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> > prescribing

> > > information on the web.

> > >

> > > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of

> vitamin E

> > > (1000+ IU

> > > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-

> 2000

> > > mcg of

> > > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > > already have

> > > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several

> times a

> > day.

> > >

> > > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > > relatively

> > > easy to do.

> > >

> > > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers

> is

> > the

> > > amino

> > > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy

> or

> > > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you

> try

> > it,

> > > start with 250 mg

> > > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> > 3000.

> > > Stop it

> > > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> > with poor

> > > balance the most.

> > >

> > > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> > will

> > > be on

> > > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> > you stop

> > > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> > that

> > > from

> > > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and

> you

> > need

> > > to help it by

> > > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how

> your

> > body

> > > dumps

> > > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> > >

> > > Andy . . .. . . .

> > >

> > >

> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---

> > ------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Dear Andy/All,

> > >

> > > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up

> to

> > > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> > >

> > > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much

> time?

> > >

> > > Please give hopegiving lines!

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Tom

> > >

> > > Re; MS and worsening

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Andy/All,

> > >

> > > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> > >

> > > others in this group).

> > >

> > > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> > >

> > > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for

> the

> > best

> > >

> > > protocol...).

> > >

> > > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> > improved

> > >

> > > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> > >

> > > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> > Treatment (

> > > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to

> as " the

> > > roller coaster

> > > ride. "

> > >

> > > Study the figure well.

> > >

> > >

> > > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> > >

> > > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months

> in.

> > > This is

> > > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> > >

> > > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> > >

> > > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> > >

> > > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm very confused now.

> > >

> > > What should I do?

> > >

> > > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> > >

> > > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of

> right

> > > now, you

> > > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > > chelation

> > > without too much difficulty.

> > >

> > > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > > injections

> > > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> > sites

> > > all

> > > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> > they

> > > don't " help "

> > > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC

> (also

> > > known as

> > > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is

> IT.

> > >

> > > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> > cell

> > > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> > might

> > > find an open

> > > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> > prescribing

> > > information on the web.

> > >

> > > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of

> vitamin E

> > > (1000+ IU

> > > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-

> 2000

> > > mcg of

> > > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > > already have

> > > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several

> times a

> > day.

> > >

> > > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > > relatively

> > > easy to do.

> > >

> > > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers

> is

> > the

> > > amino

> > > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy

> or

> > > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you

> try

> > it,

> > > start with 250 mg

> > > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> > 3000.

> > > Stop it

> > > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> > with poor

> > > balance the most.

> > >

> > > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> > will

> > > be on

> > > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> > you stop

> > > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> > that

> > > from

> > > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and

> you

> > need

> > > to help it by

> > > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how

> your

> > body

> > > dumps

> > > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> > >

> > > Andy . . .. . . .

> > >

> > >

> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---

> > ------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Dear Andy/All,

> > >

> > > I'm still chelating, but no (essential) improvements occured up

> to

> > > now. Proper chelation for 26 months!!

> > > See the above correspondence with Andy.

> > >

> > > Is it possible, that the dumping out of Hg does last so much

> time?

> > >

> > > Please give hopegiving lines!

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Tom

> > >

> > > Re; MS and worsening

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Andy/All,

> > >

> > > I'm suffering from MS since about 15 years (see message# 1513 and

> > >

> > > others in this group).

> > >

> > > Since August 2004 I'm chelating properly(!) according to Andy's

> > >

> > > schedule (3 days on /4 off; 6 on/8 off; I " fiddle around " for

> the

> > best

> > >

> > > protocol...).

> > >

> > > After the first 2-3 months of chelating ALL MS symptoms have

> > improved

> > >

> > > rapidly (I couldn't believe it!!).

> > >

> > > See the figure on page 52 of Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

> > Treatment (

> > > www.noamalgam.com ). That was the valley of what I refer to

> as " the

> > > roller coaster

> > > ride. "

> > >

> > > Study the figure well.

> > >

> > >

> > > >Afterwards SOME symptoms worsened again clearly

> > >

> > > The roller coaster goes back up the hill after about 3 months

> in.

> > > This is

> > > exactly what you should expect to have happen.

> > >

> > > >(Ataxia, paresis of

> > >

> > > foot-lifter thus worsening of going ability)

> > >

> > > This condition is WORSE as before the beginning of chelation.

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm very confused now.

> > >

> > > What should I do?

> > >

> > > Continue to chelate for at least a year.

> > >

> > > Try every kind of symptomatic support measure you can think of

> right

> > > now, you

> > > basically need to buy some time to try to get over the " hump " of

> > > chelation

> > > without too much difficulty.

> > >

> > > If you can get some " alterantive " medical care, you might try B1

> > > injections

> > > daily (200 + mg, intramuscular, they do hurt, you have to rotate

> > sites

> > > all

> > > over), or vitamin C iv's. If you get the C, make SURE SURE SURE

> > they

> > > don't " help "

> > > you by putting alpha lipoic acid or DMPS or DMSO or MSM or NAC

> (also

> > > known as

> > > mucomyst) in it. Vitamin C, minerals, maybe B complex, that is

> IT.

> > >

> > > Naltrexone is sometimes prescribed for MS in order to modulate T

> > cell

> > > activity. The amounts used are not large, this is something you

> > might

> > > find an open

> > > minded mainstream doc willing to try if you root around for

> > prescribing

> > > information on the web.

> > >

> > > Also, take lots of EFA's like fish and flax oil, a lot of

> vitamin E

> > > (1000+ IU

> > > a day), and 5-10 mg of biotin 3-4 times a day, as well as 1000-

> 2000

> > > mcg of

> > > molybdenum daily in addition to whatever supplement regimen you

> > > already have

> > > which hopefully includes water soluble antioxidants several

> times a

> > day.

> > >

> > > Consider trying the Atkins diet. It brings relief to some and is

> > > relatively

> > > easy to do.

> > >

> > > One supplement that is quite helpful for a lot of MS sufferers

> is

> > the

> > > amino

> > > acid l-histidine. It increases histamine so if you have allergy

> or

> > > inflammation it can make those dramatically worse. So if you

> try

> > it,

> > > start with 250 mg

> > > the first day, 500 the next, 750 the next, then 1000, 2000 and

> > 3000.

> > > Stop it

> > > or cut the dose back if you get wheezy. it seems to help those

> > with poor

> > > balance the most.

> > >

> > > But study that figure on page 52 and keep 2 things in mind - you

> > will

> > > be on

> > > the ride for a while and you need to hang on! Also note that if

> > you stop

> > > chelating you will get MUCH worse - chelation is what is keeping

> > that

> > > from

> > > happening. Your body is trying to dump mercury right now and

> you

> > need

> > > to help it by

> > > chelating regularly. The worsening is a natural part of how

> your

> > body

> > > dumps

> > > the mercury, it is not due to the chelation.

> > >

> > > Andy . . .. . . .

> > >

> > >

> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---

> > ------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> >

> > TK--- how much are you using of what chelators

> > and on what schedule ?

>

> DMSA 30 mg+ALA 50 mg every 3 hours / night:4 hours

> 3 days on / 4 off

TK--- After this long you may want to try increasing the DMSA if you

haven't tried it already, if you have and do best with the above

stick with it.

TK--- You may want to try extending your rounds also if you haven't

tried that and tollerate it since you do better on round.

>

> > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

>

> I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no amalgam

are

> under them.

TK--- If you do better as you state during a round I would agree

there probably isn't any amalgam under them.

>

> > Treating for gi pathogens also ?

>

> No.

>

> > testing and addressing thyroid and adrenals, hormones ?

>

> No.

TK--- the above can be very important for people and are worth

investigating if you haven't already.

For some of us with high levels of Hg it takes a very long time to

get it out. Your feeling better on round is a very encouraging sign

and much better than the opposite that many deal with. Keep trying

things that Andy suggests to help with the MS and chelation symptoms.

>

> Thanks

> Tom

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> >

> > TK--- how much are you using of what chelators

> > and on what schedule ?

>

> DMSA 30 mg+ALA 50 mg every 3 hours / night:4 hours

> 3 days on / 4 off

TK--- After this long you may want to try increasing the DMSA if you

haven't tried it already, if you have and do best with the above

stick with it.

TK--- You may want to try extending your rounds also if you haven't

tried that and tollerate it since you do better on round.

>

> > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

>

> I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no amalgam

are

> under them.

TK--- If you do better as you state during a round I would agree

there probably isn't any amalgam under them.

>

> > Treating for gi pathogens also ?

>

> No.

>

> > testing and addressing thyroid and adrenals, hormones ?

>

> No.

TK--- the above can be very important for people and are worth

investigating if you haven't already.

For some of us with high levels of Hg it takes a very long time to

get it out. Your feeling better on round is a very encouraging sign

and much better than the opposite that many deal with. Keep trying

things that Andy suggests to help with the MS and chelation symptoms.

>

> Thanks

> Tom

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> >

> > TK--- how much are you using of what chelators

> > and on what schedule ?

>

> DMSA 30 mg+ALA 50 mg every 3 hours / night:4 hours

> 3 days on / 4 off

TK--- After this long you may want to try increasing the DMSA if you

haven't tried it already, if you have and do best with the above

stick with it.

TK--- You may want to try extending your rounds also if you haven't

tried that and tollerate it since you do better on round.

>

> > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

>

> I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no amalgam

are

> under them.

TK--- If you do better as you state during a round I would agree

there probably isn't any amalgam under them.

>

> > Treating for gi pathogens also ?

>

> No.

>

> > testing and addressing thyroid and adrenals, hormones ?

>

> No.

TK--- the above can be very important for people and are worth

investigating if you haven't already.

For some of us with high levels of Hg it takes a very long time to

get it out. Your feeling better on round is a very encouraging sign

and much better than the opposite that many deal with. Keep trying

things that Andy suggests to help with the MS and chelation symptoms.

>

> Thanks

> Tom

[Guest guest]

Tom, Often times lyme is misdiagnosed as MS. If you have ever been in

areas where there were ticks (byw ticks are not the only lyme bacteria

vector), or even remember being bitten by one, I would sure check out

lyme disease as a possibility. V

> >

> >

> > Have you been tested/checked out for Lyme and co-infections?

>

> No.

>

[Guest guest]

Tom, Often times lyme is misdiagnosed as MS. If you have ever been in

areas where there were ticks (byw ticks are not the only lyme bacteria

vector), or even remember being bitten by one, I would sure check out

lyme disease as a possibility. V

> >

> >

> > Have you been tested/checked out for Lyme and co-infections?

>

> No.

>

[Guest guest]

> > > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> > I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no amalgam

> are under them.

I've got it in my notes that DMSA chelates gold, but can't find it in Andy's

book now.

If that is true than would it not be wise to use ONLY ALA when you chelate?

It would not be a good idea to pull gold into your body from you gold

crowns.

I know Andy says you can chelated if you have gold crowns, but is not

specific about which chelator to choose is he?

Does DMPS chelate gold? Perhaps that could be used instead.

And don't be so sure your dentist is sure there is no amalgam. You can't see

through a metal crown. We have known someone that chelated and got very sick

after her dentist assured here there was no more mercury. After that she

insisted he remove a metal crown and there was an amalgam hiding there.

You can't trust a dentist, partly because most of them are mercury poisoned

themselves....

Dean

[Guest guest]

> > > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> > I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no amalgam

> are under them.

I've got it in my notes that DMSA chelates gold, but can't find it in Andy's

book now.

If that is true than would it not be wise to use ONLY ALA when you chelate?

It would not be a good idea to pull gold into your body from you gold

crowns.

I know Andy says you can chelated if you have gold crowns, but is not

specific about which chelator to choose is he?

Does DMPS chelate gold? Perhaps that could be used instead.

And don't be so sure your dentist is sure there is no amalgam. You can't see

through a metal crown. We have known someone that chelated and got very sick

after her dentist assured here there was no more mercury. After that she

insisted he remove a metal crown and there was an amalgam hiding there.

You can't trust a dentist, partly because most of them are mercury poisoned

themselves....

Dean

[Guest guest]

> > > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> > I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no amalgam

> are under them.

I've got it in my notes that DMSA chelates gold, but can't find it in Andy's

book now.

If that is true than would it not be wise to use ONLY ALA when you chelate?

It would not be a good idea to pull gold into your body from you gold

crowns.

I know Andy says you can chelated if you have gold crowns, but is not

specific about which chelator to choose is he?

Does DMPS chelate gold? Perhaps that could be used instead.

And don't be so sure your dentist is sure there is no amalgam. You can't see

through a metal crown. We have known someone that chelated and got very sick

after her dentist assured here there was no more mercury. After that she

insisted he remove a metal crown and there was an amalgam hiding there.

You can't trust a dentist, partly because most of them are mercury poisoned

themselves....

Dean

[Guest guest]

>

> > > > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> > > I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no amalgam

> > are under them.

>

> I've got it in my notes that DMSA chelates gold, but can't find it

in Andy's

> book now.

He says in the HTI book (p. 244) that DMPS or DMSA " may be helpful " ,

which I take to mean there is no definitive evidence but they are

worth trying.

> If that is true than would it not be wise to use ONLY ALA when you

chelate?

> It would not be a good idea to pull gold into your body from you gold

> crowns.

In the section on gold sources (p. 72), he says metallic gold is

not significantly absorbed. I think in the archives (at least

of a-m, if not here) he explicitly says it is okay to chelate with

gold crowns.

> I know Andy says you can chelated if you have gold crowns, but is not

> specific about which chelator to choose is he?

If you search onibasu with " andrewhallcutler DMSA gold " , you

will find some relevant posts. He says it is fine to chelate

with gold fillings/crowns, as long as there is no amalgam underneath.

--

> Does DMPS chelate gold? Perhaps that could be used instead.

>

> And don't be so sure your dentist is sure there is no amalgam. You

can't see

> through a metal crown. We have known someone that chelated and got

very sick

> after her dentist assured here there was no more mercury. After that she

> insisted he remove a metal crown and there was an amalgam hiding there.

>

> You can't trust a dentist, partly because most of them are mercury

poisoned

> themselves....

> Dean

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > > > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> > > I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no

amalgam

> > are under them.

>

> I've got it in my notes that DMSA chelates gold, but can't find it

in Andy's

> book now.

TK-- I can't remember reading that

> If that is true than would it not be wise to use ONLY ALA when you

chelate?

TK-- it is fine to chelate using dmsa,dmps & or ala with gold crowns

according to Andy

> It would not be a good idea to pull gold into your body from you

gold

> crowns.

TK-- it doesn't that I remember

> I know Andy says you can chelated if you have gold crowns, but is

not

> specific about which chelator to choose is he?

TK--- any of the three or combination

> Does DMPS chelate gold?

TK-- no

Perhaps that could be used instead.

>

> And don't be so sure your dentist is sure there is no amalgam. You

can't see

> through a metal crown. We have known someone that chelated and got

very sick

> after her dentist assured here there was no more mercury. After

that she

> insisted he remove a metal crown and there was an amalgam hiding

there.

>

> You can't trust a dentist, partly because most of them are mercury

poisoned

> themselves....

TK-- very true

> Dean

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > > > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> > > I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no

amalgam

> > are under them.

>

> I've got it in my notes that DMSA chelates gold, but can't find it

in Andy's

> book now.

TK-- I can't remember reading that

> If that is true than would it not be wise to use ONLY ALA when you

chelate?

TK-- it is fine to chelate using dmsa,dmps & or ala with gold crowns

according to Andy

> It would not be a good idea to pull gold into your body from you

gold

> crowns.

TK-- it doesn't that I remember

> I know Andy says you can chelated if you have gold crowns, but is

not

> specific about which chelator to choose is he?

TK--- any of the three or combination

> Does DMPS chelate gold?

TK-- no

Perhaps that could be used instead.

>

> And don't be so sure your dentist is sure there is no amalgam. You

can't see

> through a metal crown. We have known someone that chelated and got

very sick

> after her dentist assured here there was no more mercury. After

that she

> insisted he remove a metal crown and there was an amalgam hiding

there.

>

> You can't trust a dentist, partly because most of them are mercury

poisoned

> themselves....

TK-- very true

> Dean

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > > > No crowns with metal in them or under them ?

> > > I have gold crowns and my former dentists stated, that no

amalgam

> > are under them.

>

> I've got it in my notes that DMSA chelates gold, but can't find it

in Andy's

> book now.

TK-- I can't remember reading that

> If that is true than would it not be wise to use ONLY ALA when you

chelate?

TK-- it is fine to chelate using dmsa,dmps & or ala with gold crowns

according to Andy

> It would not be a good idea to pull gold into your body from you

gold

> crowns.

TK-- it doesn't that I remember

> I know Andy says you can chelated if you have gold crowns, but is

not

> specific about which chelator to choose is he?

TK--- any of the three or combination

> Does DMPS chelate gold?

TK-- no

Perhaps that could be used instead.

>

> And don't be so sure your dentist is sure there is no amalgam. You

can't see

> through a metal crown. We have known someone that chelated and got

very sick

> after her dentist assured here there was no more mercury. After

that she

> insisted he remove a metal crown and there was an amalgam hiding

there.

>

> You can't trust a dentist, partly because most of them are mercury

poisoned

> themselves....

TK-- very true

> Dean

>