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Hi ee,

I know that you've had problems with conventional medicine, both personally

and with your animals. I use a mixture of both holistic and conventional

medicine on myself and my animals, and so far it's working well for all of

us. It's taken me a VERY long while to find a doctor who believed what I

was saying and actually took the time to try and find out what was going

on, but I'm glad now that I hung in there and found him. I was actually

able to feed and water some of my birds for the first time in months last

night!

As for the incontinence, thank you for the words of encouragement! You'd

think that, in the whole scheme of things, it would be a relatively small

concern, but for some reason it just devastated me. Please let me know

what you find out about the possibility of reversal and if anything works

for you! I'm not in a position to be able to purchase alot of the books

that I need right now, but would love to hear anything that anyone learns

from the ones that they've read that could help.

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At 09:02 AM 9/29/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear (and list),

>

>I have not really looked into the " guaif " therapy. I do not have a doctor I

>trust--basically because of very bad reactions to conventional medications

>in the past, and the fact that doctors have never really *listened* to me, I

>had given up on conventional medicine altogether. Now I am seeking a doctor

>who can help, but I still do not want to take any conventional medications.

>That's my thing!

>

>As far as the incontinence issue is concerned, I hit that milestone 4 years

>ago, and was devastated!

>

>But, I am encouraged by what I read in Starlanyl & Copeland's book about

>this issue, that it may have to do with myofascial trigger points, and there

>is the potential to reverse it. I have not yet sought treatment of this

>sort, having only read the passage within the last week, but I feel better

>about things now.

>

>ee

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Hi ee,

I know that you've had problems with conventional medicine, both personally

and with your animals. I use a mixture of both holistic and conventional

medicine on myself and my animals, and so far it's working well for all of

us. It's taken me a VERY long while to find a doctor who believed what I

was saying and actually took the time to try and find out what was going

on, but I'm glad now that I hung in there and found him. I was actually

able to feed and water some of my birds for the first time in months last

night!

As for the incontinence, thank you for the words of encouragement! You'd

think that, in the whole scheme of things, it would be a relatively small

concern, but for some reason it just devastated me. Please let me know

what you find out about the possibility of reversal and if anything works

for you! I'm not in a position to be able to purchase alot of the books

that I need right now, but would love to hear anything that anyone learns

from the ones that they've read that could help.

-

At 09:02 AM 9/29/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear (and list),

>

>I have not really looked into the " guaif " therapy. I do not have a doctor I

>trust--basically because of very bad reactions to conventional medications

>in the past, and the fact that doctors have never really *listened* to me, I

>had given up on conventional medicine altogether. Now I am seeking a doctor

>who can help, but I still do not want to take any conventional medications.

>That's my thing!

>

>As far as the incontinence issue is concerned, I hit that milestone 4 years

>ago, and was devastated!

>

>But, I am encouraged by what I read in Starlanyl & Copeland's book about

>this issue, that it may have to do with myofascial trigger points, and there

>is the potential to reverse it. I have not yet sought treatment of this

>sort, having only read the passage within the last week, but I feel better

>about things now.

>

>ee

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Hi ee,

I know that you've had problems with conventional medicine, both personally

and with your animals. I use a mixture of both holistic and conventional

medicine on myself and my animals, and so far it's working well for all of

us. It's taken me a VERY long while to find a doctor who believed what I

was saying and actually took the time to try and find out what was going

on, but I'm glad now that I hung in there and found him. I was actually

able to feed and water some of my birds for the first time in months last

night!

As for the incontinence, thank you for the words of encouragement! You'd

think that, in the whole scheme of things, it would be a relatively small

concern, but for some reason it just devastated me. Please let me know

what you find out about the possibility of reversal and if anything works

for you! I'm not in a position to be able to purchase alot of the books

that I need right now, but would love to hear anything that anyone learns

from the ones that they've read that could help.

-

At 09:02 AM 9/29/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear (and list),

>

>I have not really looked into the " guaif " therapy. I do not have a doctor I

>trust--basically because of very bad reactions to conventional medications

>in the past, and the fact that doctors have never really *listened* to me, I

>had given up on conventional medicine altogether. Now I am seeking a doctor

>who can help, but I still do not want to take any conventional medications.

>That's my thing!

>

>As far as the incontinence issue is concerned, I hit that milestone 4 years

>ago, and was devastated!

>

>But, I am encouraged by what I read in Starlanyl & Copeland's book about

>this issue, that it may have to do with myofascial trigger points, and there

>is the potential to reverse it. I have not yet sought treatment of this

>sort, having only read the passage within the last week, but I feel better

>about things now.

>

>ee

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At 01:33 PM 9/29/01 -0400, you wrote:

>In theory, it isn't a progressive disease, and I'm sure for some people

>with fm it isn't, but for others, it is. I know my level of fatigue has

>gotten steadily worse over the years. On the other hand, I know someone

>with fibro who has stayed about the same for years. So officially, it

>isn't, but in reality, it can be progressive depending on the person.

Granted, I don't have a complete dx yet and am supposed to have my first

neurology appt sometime soon, but SOMETHING has sure been progressing a lot

for the last few years!

>I'm sorry to hear this. Hugs for you. We aren't quite strangers

>though, we all say things on this list we might not announce to the

>world in general. I'll put you on my " list " of people to invite to the

>used body part store, as soon as I find one!

Thanks! I sure hope you find that store soon - I'm running out of usable

parts at an alarming rate<g>. And thank you all for welcoming me and

making me feel like a friend, rather than a stranger :-)

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At 01:33 PM 9/29/01 -0400, you wrote:

>In theory, it isn't a progressive disease, and I'm sure for some people

>with fm it isn't, but for others, it is. I know my level of fatigue has

>gotten steadily worse over the years. On the other hand, I know someone

>with fibro who has stayed about the same for years. So officially, it

>isn't, but in reality, it can be progressive depending on the person.

Granted, I don't have a complete dx yet and am supposed to have my first

neurology appt sometime soon, but SOMETHING has sure been progressing a lot

for the last few years!

>I'm sorry to hear this. Hugs for you. We aren't quite strangers

>though, we all say things on this list we might not announce to the

>world in general. I'll put you on my " list " of people to invite to the

>used body part store, as soon as I find one!

Thanks! I sure hope you find that store soon - I'm running out of usable

parts at an alarming rate<g>. And thank you all for welcoming me and

making me feel like a friend, rather than a stranger :-)

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At 01:33 PM 9/29/01 -0400, you wrote:

>In theory, it isn't a progressive disease, and I'm sure for some people

>with fm it isn't, but for others, it is. I know my level of fatigue has

>gotten steadily worse over the years. On the other hand, I know someone

>with fibro who has stayed about the same for years. So officially, it

>isn't, but in reality, it can be progressive depending on the person.

Granted, I don't have a complete dx yet and am supposed to have my first

neurology appt sometime soon, but SOMETHING has sure been progressing a lot

for the last few years!

>I'm sorry to hear this. Hugs for you. We aren't quite strangers

>though, we all say things on this list we might not announce to the

>world in general. I'll put you on my " list " of people to invite to the

>used body part store, as soon as I find one!

Thanks! I sure hope you find that store soon - I'm running out of usable

parts at an alarming rate<g>. And thank you all for welcoming me and

making me feel like a friend, rather than a stranger :-)

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For me it is progressive. The pain has gotten worse in the last year. I

take strong medications for the pain. Fatigue puts me to be with a book

almost every afternoon. And there I stay unless I can get up to fix dinner.

Duff is very good at helping out but it will be quite a time before he can.

He went into a rehabilitation hospital this afternoon. He wasn't happy there

and we had quite a time getting him to decide to stay. They had promised him

a private room and there was no such thing. He wanted to come home and have

home health care but there is not way that I could take care of him and he

knew that but I think that he just wanted to come home because he will be in

there for at least a week.

Take care,

Irene

co-moderator

> In theory, it isn't a progressive disease, and I'm sure for some people

> with fm it isn't, but for others, it is. I know my level of fatigue has

> gotten steadily worse over the years. On the other hand, I know someone

> with fibro who has stayed about the same for years. So officially, it

> isn't, but in reality, it can be progressive depending on the person.

>

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Thanks for the info Irene. I realize that it may not be JUST the fibro

that is causing the progressive pain and weakness and that I won't know for

sure until I can get in to see the neurologist (and from what some of the

rest of you have said, perhaps not even then), but I do think that it must

have something to do with it.

I'm so glad that Duff is doing as well as he is and that he'll be home to

you in a week! I know you've missed him terribly and will be relieved to

have him back at home!

Someone said last week that their husband surprised them by saying that he

was worried that they'd have to be put in a care facility someday. This

had never crossed my mind either, until my husband said something very

similar the other day. I was trying to do something very simple and

couldn't manage it (fumble-fingers R us<g>) and out of the blue he said,

" You're going to have to go live in a home someday, aren't you? " . I just

stared at him for a couple of minutes in shock, and still don't know how to

answer him. I know that he didn't sign onto this marriage expecting to be

with a person who has the type of problems that I do, and I feel guilty all

the time about asking him to do things for me. How do the rest of you

handle any guilt that you feel toward your caregivers (if you need them)?

I just feel like he got a " bad deal " when he married me, but now he feels

" responsible for me " :-( And I know the deal about for better or for

worse, but how many people really expect to have to learn how to be

full-time caregivers for the rest of their lives???

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At 12:08 AM 9/30/01 EDT, you wrote:

>For me it is progressive. The pain has gotten worse in the last year. I

>take strong medications for the pain. Fatigue puts me to be with a book

>almost every afternoon. And there I stay unless I can get up to fix

dinner.

>Duff is very good at helping out but it will be quite a time before he can.

>

>He went into a rehabilitation hospital this afternoon. He wasn't happy

there

>and we had quite a time getting him to decide to stay. They had promised

him

>a private room and there was no such thing. He wanted to come home and have

>home health care but there is not way that I could take care of him and he

>knew that but I think that he just wanted to come home because he will be in

>there for at least a week.

>

>Take care,

>Irene

>co-moderator

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Thanks for the info Irene. I realize that it may not be JUST the fibro

that is causing the progressive pain and weakness and that I won't know for

sure until I can get in to see the neurologist (and from what some of the

rest of you have said, perhaps not even then), but I do think that it must

have something to do with it.

I'm so glad that Duff is doing as well as he is and that he'll be home to

you in a week! I know you've missed him terribly and will be relieved to

have him back at home!

Someone said last week that their husband surprised them by saying that he

was worried that they'd have to be put in a care facility someday. This

had never crossed my mind either, until my husband said something very

similar the other day. I was trying to do something very simple and

couldn't manage it (fumble-fingers R us<g>) and out of the blue he said,

" You're going to have to go live in a home someday, aren't you? " . I just

stared at him for a couple of minutes in shock, and still don't know how to

answer him. I know that he didn't sign onto this marriage expecting to be

with a person who has the type of problems that I do, and I feel guilty all

the time about asking him to do things for me. How do the rest of you

handle any guilt that you feel toward your caregivers (if you need them)?

I just feel like he got a " bad deal " when he married me, but now he feels

" responsible for me " :-( And I know the deal about for better or for

worse, but how many people really expect to have to learn how to be

full-time caregivers for the rest of their lives???

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At 12:08 AM 9/30/01 EDT, you wrote:

>For me it is progressive. The pain has gotten worse in the last year. I

>take strong medications for the pain. Fatigue puts me to be with a book

>almost every afternoon. And there I stay unless I can get up to fix

dinner.

>Duff is very good at helping out but it will be quite a time before he can.

>

>He went into a rehabilitation hospital this afternoon. He wasn't happy

there

>and we had quite a time getting him to decide to stay. They had promised

him

>a private room and there was no such thing. He wanted to come home and have

>home health care but there is not way that I could take care of him and he

>knew that but I think that he just wanted to come home because he will be in

>there for at least a week.

>

>Take care,

>Irene

>co-moderator

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patidu@... wrote:

> He wanted to come home and have

> home health care but there is not way that I could take care of him and he

> knew that but I think that he just wanted to come home because he will be in

> there for at least a week.

Can't say I blame him. Home is familiar, more comfortable and you know

your " roommates " . I flew home the day after getting out of the hospital

from major surgery. I probably should have stayed in the area hotels at

least a couple more days, but I just couldn't get comfortable in the

hotels and really wanted nothing more than come home to the familiar

home. Hope Duffy continues to improve and you have him home with you

soon!

Darcy

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patidu@... wrote:

> He wanted to come home and have

> home health care but there is not way that I could take care of him and he

> knew that but I think that he just wanted to come home because he will be in

> there for at least a week.

Can't say I blame him. Home is familiar, more comfortable and you know

your " roommates " . I flew home the day after getting out of the hospital

from major surgery. I probably should have stayed in the area hotels at

least a couple more days, but I just couldn't get comfortable in the

hotels and really wanted nothing more than come home to the familiar

home. Hope Duffy continues to improve and you have him home with you

soon!

Darcy

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bluskies@... wrote:

> Someone said last week that their husband surprised them by saying that he

> was worried that they'd have to be put in a care facility someday.

THis was me.

> I know that he didn't sign onto this marriage expecting to be

> with a person who has the type of problems that I do, and I feel guilty all

> the time about asking him to do things for me. How do the rest of you

> handle any guilt that you feel toward your caregivers (if you need them)?

> I just feel like he got a " bad deal " when he married me, but now he feels

> " responsible for me " :-( And I know the deal about for better or for

> worse, but how many people really expect to have to learn how to be

> full-time caregivers for the rest of their lives???

I do feel guilty that he does almost 100% of the laundry, almost 100% of

the cooking, and almost 100% of the other chores around the house. He

keeps saying that my job is to take care of myself and hopefully get a

little better, but I still feel bad about it all. I know he's doing

what he'd be doing for himself if he was single, plus a little bit more

to help me. I mean, how much extra work is it to put two pork chops

into a pan with sauce instead of one? You've still got to get the oven

hot, " pam the pan " , and get the sauce out for just one person. But I

still feel bad, like I need to be doing more. I know I'd be happy to do

the same if the shoes were on the other foot. I guess the best I've

gotten it down to is, you do it because you love them and they are

family, but I still feel guilty.

Darcy

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bluskies@... wrote:

> Someone said last week that their husband surprised them by saying that he

> was worried that they'd have to be put in a care facility someday.

THis was me.

> I know that he didn't sign onto this marriage expecting to be

> with a person who has the type of problems that I do, and I feel guilty all

> the time about asking him to do things for me. How do the rest of you

> handle any guilt that you feel toward your caregivers (if you need them)?

> I just feel like he got a " bad deal " when he married me, but now he feels

> " responsible for me " :-( And I know the deal about for better or for

> worse, but how many people really expect to have to learn how to be

> full-time caregivers for the rest of their lives???

I do feel guilty that he does almost 100% of the laundry, almost 100% of

the cooking, and almost 100% of the other chores around the house. He

keeps saying that my job is to take care of myself and hopefully get a

little better, but I still feel bad about it all. I know he's doing

what he'd be doing for himself if he was single, plus a little bit more

to help me. I mean, how much extra work is it to put two pork chops

into a pan with sauce instead of one? You've still got to get the oven

hot, " pam the pan " , and get the sauce out for just one person. But I

still feel bad, like I need to be doing more. I know I'd be happy to do

the same if the shoes were on the other foot. I guess the best I've

gotten it down to is, you do it because you love them and they are

family, but I still feel guilty.

Darcy

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bluskies@... wrote:

> Someone said last week that their husband surprised them by saying that he

> was worried that they'd have to be put in a care facility someday.

THis was me.

> I know that he didn't sign onto this marriage expecting to be

> with a person who has the type of problems that I do, and I feel guilty all

> the time about asking him to do things for me. How do the rest of you

> handle any guilt that you feel toward your caregivers (if you need them)?

> I just feel like he got a " bad deal " when he married me, but now he feels

> " responsible for me " :-( And I know the deal about for better or for

> worse, but how many people really expect to have to learn how to be

> full-time caregivers for the rest of their lives???

I do feel guilty that he does almost 100% of the laundry, almost 100% of

the cooking, and almost 100% of the other chores around the house. He

keeps saying that my job is to take care of myself and hopefully get a

little better, but I still feel bad about it all. I know he's doing

what he'd be doing for himself if he was single, plus a little bit more

to help me. I mean, how much extra work is it to put two pork chops

into a pan with sauce instead of one? You've still got to get the oven

hot, " pam the pan " , and get the sauce out for just one person. But I

still feel bad, like I need to be doing more. I know I'd be happy to do

the same if the shoes were on the other foot. I guess the best I've

gotten it down to is, you do it because you love them and they are

family, but I still feel guilty.

Darcy

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I feel guilt only because I knew that my husband was in terrible pain in his

knee and he had to help me. I don't know how I will feel when he comes home

and his knee is not painful. Time will tell.

My daughter moved next door so as to be near us when we get older and to be

able to take care of us. She has help me tremendously since Duff has been in

the hospital with our HMO, the hospital, taking me to the hospital, shopping

and any thing else that needed done.

Take care,

Irene

co-moderator

> How do the rest of you

> handle any guilt that you feel toward your caregivers (if you need them)?

>

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I feel guilt only because I knew that my husband was in terrible pain in his

knee and he had to help me. I don't know how I will feel when he comes home

and his knee is not painful. Time will tell.

My daughter moved next door so as to be near us when we get older and to be

able to take care of us. She has help me tremendously since Duff has been in

the hospital with our HMO, the hospital, taking me to the hospital, shopping

and any thing else that needed done.

Take care,

Irene

co-moderator

> How do the rest of you

> handle any guilt that you feel toward your caregivers (if you need them)?

>

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