Re: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics - Liver phases

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is ULTRA CLEAR helping ?

what is for metagenics ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics - Liver

>phases

>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:05:37 -0800 (PST)

>

>Hi Jackie and TK,

>The Ultra Clear was recommended to me as a way to correct liver detox

>pathways. I can't tolerate DHEA (even though mine is *way* low). I also

>can't tolerate pregnenalone and many other things. I have strange

>reactions to T3 (sometimes it helps me feel better, sometimes much

>worse). I've stopped taking Cortef because it wasn't helping (at 20mg)

>and I thought it actually may be making me feel worse (and I was afraid

>to raise it), much like T3 does. Also, I'm doing a 4 hour saliva test

>soon and wanted to be off it for that. I've notice that being off the

>Cortef hasn't made much of a difference. My experiment with the

>antitdepressant didn't prove successful and so far I'm finding that

>doing a round of chelation is the best way for me to alleviate the

>depression.

>I've been on the Ultra Clear and the Ultra Clear diet for a week now

>(no red meat, dairy, sugar or sweetners, wheat or caffiene) and I

>haven't noticed much change. I haven't been absolutely fastidious about

>staying away from all sulpher foods because I need to eat *something*

>and I don't notice any reaction to sulpher foods.

>The liver phases test should be here this week so I'm hoping that sheds

>some more light.

>My doctor is really great at finding all the stuff (food allergies,

>hormones unbalanced) that's out of whack but if I can't tolerate the

>solution it doesn't help.

>Right now, I'm only taking L-Glutamine, Flax Oil, MultiGenics and

>Advance Mineral Support along with T4 thyroid medication.

>Thanks so much for the input. Getting into this chelation thing can be

>a little like falling down the rabbit hole. Many thanks to those who

>light the way!

>:^)

>Alessa

>

>Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics

>Posted by: " Jackie " jtrunt@... jackietutts

>Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:09 am (PST)

>

>

>

>In frequent-dose- chelation@ yahoogroups. com, foralessa wrote:

>

>Hi,

>This (Ultra Clear) was recommended to me. I was wondering if anyone's

>had any

>experience with it or opinions on it:

>http://organicpharm acy.org/products /UltraClear/ SKU:ULTRAC21- meta

>Thanks!

>-Alessa

>============ ========= ====

>

>Hi Alessa,

>

>I don't have any personal experience with this product, but just a

>couple things I noticed. It said it was recommended for slow

>metabolizers, have you ever had your liver phases tested? And it also

>contained some NAC, which Andy doesn't recommend taking unless you are

>low plasma cysteine, although the amount didn't look very high. And it

>contained glutathione, which I understand is not absorbed when taken

>orally, so is a waste of money to do so, although there is only a small

>amount of that in here also.

>

>Was it recommended to you by a doctor or someone else? It may be one of

>those cases of having to try it and see if you think it helps or not.

>Good luck.

>

>Jackie t.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

is ULTRA CLEAR helping ?

what is for metagenics ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics - Liver

>phases

>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:05:37 -0800 (PST)

>

>Hi Jackie and TK,

>The Ultra Clear was recommended to me as a way to correct liver detox

>pathways. I can't tolerate DHEA (even though mine is *way* low). I also

>can't tolerate pregnenalone and many other things. I have strange

>reactions to T3 (sometimes it helps me feel better, sometimes much

>worse). I've stopped taking Cortef because it wasn't helping (at 20mg)

>and I thought it actually may be making me feel worse (and I was afraid

>to raise it), much like T3 does. Also, I'm doing a 4 hour saliva test

>soon and wanted to be off it for that. I've notice that being off the

>Cortef hasn't made much of a difference. My experiment with the

>antitdepressant didn't prove successful and so far I'm finding that

>doing a round of chelation is the best way for me to alleviate the

>depression.

>I've been on the Ultra Clear and the Ultra Clear diet for a week now

>(no red meat, dairy, sugar or sweetners, wheat or caffiene) and I

>haven't noticed much change. I haven't been absolutely fastidious about

>staying away from all sulpher foods because I need to eat *something*

>and I don't notice any reaction to sulpher foods.

>The liver phases test should be here this week so I'm hoping that sheds

>some more light.

>My doctor is really great at finding all the stuff (food allergies,

>hormones unbalanced) that's out of whack but if I can't tolerate the

>solution it doesn't help.

>Right now, I'm only taking L-Glutamine, Flax Oil, MultiGenics and

>Advance Mineral Support along with T4 thyroid medication.

>Thanks so much for the input. Getting into this chelation thing can be

>a little like falling down the rabbit hole. Many thanks to those who

>light the way!

>:^)

>Alessa

>

>Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics

>Posted by: " Jackie " jtrunt@... jackietutts

>Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:09 am (PST)

>

>

>

>In frequent-dose- chelation@ yahoogroups. com, foralessa wrote:

>

>Hi,

>This (Ultra Clear) was recommended to me. I was wondering if anyone's

>had any

>experience with it or opinions on it:

>http://organicpharm acy.org/products /UltraClear/ SKU:ULTRAC21- meta

>Thanks!

>-Alessa

>============ ========= ====

>

>Hi Alessa,

>

>I don't have any personal experience with this product, but just a

>couple things I noticed. It said it was recommended for slow

>metabolizers, have you ever had your liver phases tested? And it also

>contained some NAC, which Andy doesn't recommend taking unless you are

>low plasma cysteine, although the amount didn't look very high. And it

>contained glutathione, which I understand is not absorbed when taken

>orally, so is a waste of money to do so, although there is only a small

>amount of that in here also.

>

>Was it recommended to you by a doctor or someone else? It may be one of

>those cases of having to try it and see if you think it helps or not.

>Good luck.

>

>Jackie t.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

is ULTRA CLEAR helping ?

what is for metagenics ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics - Liver

>phases

>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:05:37 -0800 (PST)

>

>Hi Jackie and TK,

>The Ultra Clear was recommended to me as a way to correct liver detox

>pathways. I can't tolerate DHEA (even though mine is *way* low). I also

>can't tolerate pregnenalone and many other things. I have strange

>reactions to T3 (sometimes it helps me feel better, sometimes much

>worse). I've stopped taking Cortef because it wasn't helping (at 20mg)

>and I thought it actually may be making me feel worse (and I was afraid

>to raise it), much like T3 does. Also, I'm doing a 4 hour saliva test

>soon and wanted to be off it for that. I've notice that being off the

>Cortef hasn't made much of a difference. My experiment with the

>antitdepressant didn't prove successful and so far I'm finding that

>doing a round of chelation is the best way for me to alleviate the

>depression.

>I've been on the Ultra Clear and the Ultra Clear diet for a week now

>(no red meat, dairy, sugar or sweetners, wheat or caffiene) and I

>haven't noticed much change. I haven't been absolutely fastidious about

>staying away from all sulpher foods because I need to eat *something*

>and I don't notice any reaction to sulpher foods.

>The liver phases test should be here this week so I'm hoping that sheds

>some more light.

>My doctor is really great at finding all the stuff (food allergies,

>hormones unbalanced) that's out of whack but if I can't tolerate the

>solution it doesn't help.

>Right now, I'm only taking L-Glutamine, Flax Oil, MultiGenics and

>Advance Mineral Support along with T4 thyroid medication.

>Thanks so much for the input. Getting into this chelation thing can be

>a little like falling down the rabbit hole. Many thanks to those who

>light the way!

>:^)

>Alessa

>

>Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics

>Posted by: " Jackie " jtrunt@... jackietutts

>Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:09 am (PST)

>

>

>

>In frequent-dose- chelation@ yahoogroups. com, foralessa wrote:

>

>Hi,

>This (Ultra Clear) was recommended to me. I was wondering if anyone's

>had any

>experience with it or opinions on it:

>http://organicpharm acy.org/products /UltraClear/ SKU:ULTRAC21- meta

>Thanks!

>-Alessa

>============ ========= ====

>

>Hi Alessa,

>

>I don't have any personal experience with this product, but just a

>couple things I noticed. It said it was recommended for slow

>metabolizers, have you ever had your liver phases tested? And it also

>contained some NAC, which Andy doesn't recommend taking unless you are

>low plasma cysteine, although the amount didn't look very high. And it

>contained glutathione, which I understand is not absorbed when taken

>orally, so is a waste of money to do so, although there is only a small

>amount of that in here also.

>

>Was it recommended to you by a doctor or someone else? It may be one of

>those cases of having to try it and see if you think it helps or not.

>Good luck.

>

>Jackie t.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>_______________________________________________________________________________\

_____

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>

>Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service

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> is ULTRA CLEAR helping ?

<<SB>> It helped me a ton. My liver was so toxic that it was bulging out of

my rib cage. I did the elimination diet for 28 days and when I was done

felt so much better. Hypoglycemia was gone as was a big part of my fatigue

and brain fog. The other part of my issue was due to undertreated thyroid

issues.

>

> what is for metagenics ?

<<<SB>> Metagenics is a nutritional supplement company www.metagenics.com

[Guest guest]

> is ULTRA CLEAR helping ?

<<SB>> It helped me a ton. My liver was so toxic that it was bulging out of

my rib cage. I did the elimination diet for 28 days and when I was done

felt so much better. Hypoglycemia was gone as was a big part of my fatigue

and brain fog. The other part of my issue was due to undertreated thyroid

issues.

>

> what is for metagenics ?

<<<SB>> Metagenics is a nutritional supplement company www.metagenics.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply. Please keep us posted regarding your progress with

ultra clear. I have taken ADVACLEAR from metagenics, it is bit expensive.

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics - Liver

>phases

>Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 02:34:45 -0000

>

>Hi Nadeem,

>I've only been on it a week and haven't noticed any difference. Metagenics

>is the maker of

>the product. I also take their multivitamin, called Multigenics.

>:^)

>Alessa

>

>

> > >

> > >Hi,

> > >This (Ultra Clear) was recommended to me. I was wondering if anyone's

> > >had any

> > >experience with it or opinions on it:

> > >http://organicpharm acy.org/products /UltraClear/ SKU:ULTRAC21- meta

> > >Thanks!

> > >-Alessa

> > >============ ========= ====

> > >

> > >Hi Alessa,

> > >

> > >I don't have any personal experience with this product, but just a

> > >couple things I noticed. It said it was recommended for slow

> > >metabolizers, have you ever had your liver phases tested? And it also

> > >contained some NAC, which Andy doesn't recommend taking unless you are

> > >low plasma cysteine, although the amount didn't look very high. And it

> > >contained glutathione, which I understand is not absorbed when taken

> > >orally, so is a waste of money to do so, although there is only a small

> > >amount of that in here also.

> > >

> > >Was it recommended to you by a doctor or someone else? It may be one of

> > >those cases of having to try it and see if you think it helps or not.

> > >Good luck.

> > >

> > >Jackie t.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>_______________________________________________________________________________\

_____

> > >Sponsored Link

> > >

> > >Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service

> > >http://www.getpacket8.net/yahoo2

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply. Please keep us posted regarding your progress with

ultra clear. I have taken ADVACLEAR from metagenics, it is bit expensive.

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics - Liver

>phases

>Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 02:34:45 -0000

>

>Hi Nadeem,

>I've only been on it a week and haven't noticed any difference. Metagenics

>is the maker of

>the product. I also take their multivitamin, called Multigenics.

>:^)

>Alessa

>

>

> > >

> > >Hi,

> > >This (Ultra Clear) was recommended to me. I was wondering if anyone's

> > >had any

> > >experience with it or opinions on it:

> > >http://organicpharm acy.org/products /UltraClear/ SKU:ULTRAC21- meta

> > >Thanks!

> > >-Alessa

> > >============ ========= ====

> > >

> > >Hi Alessa,

> > >

> > >I don't have any personal experience with this product, but just a

> > >couple things I noticed. It said it was recommended for slow

> > >metabolizers, have you ever had your liver phases tested? And it also

> > >contained some NAC, which Andy doesn't recommend taking unless you are

> > >low plasma cysteine, although the amount didn't look very high. And it

> > >contained glutathione, which I understand is not absorbed when taken

> > >orally, so is a waste of money to do so, although there is only a small

> > >amount of that in here also.

> > >

> > >Was it recommended to you by a doctor or someone else? It may be one of

> > >those cases of having to try it and see if you think it helps or not.

> > >Good luck.

> > >

> > >Jackie t.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>_______________________________________________________________________________\

_____

> > >Sponsored Link

> > >

> > >Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service

> > >http://www.getpacket8.net/yahoo2

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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>your

> > computer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating

>backup

> > files a breeze. Try it today!

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>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

What was your 28 days elimination diet ?

What is HYPOGLYCEMIA ?

What test have you done for thyroid, and how did you fix your thyroid

problem ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: <frequent-dose-chelation >

>Subject: Re: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics -

>Liver phases

>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:59:59 -0500

>

>

>

>

> > is ULTRA CLEAR helping ?

>

><<SB>> It helped me a ton. My liver was so toxic that it was bulging out

>of

>my rib cage. I did the elimination diet for 28 days and when I was done

>felt so much better. Hypoglycemia was gone as was a big part of my fatigue

>and brain fog. The other part of my issue was due to undertreated thyroid

>issues.

> >

> > what is for metagenics ?

>

><<<SB>> Metagenics is a nutritional supplement company www.metagenics.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What was your 28 days elimination diet ?

What is HYPOGLYCEMIA ?

What test have you done for thyroid, and how did you fix your thyroid

problem ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: <frequent-dose-chelation >

>Subject: Re: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics -

>Liver phases

>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:59:59 -0500

>

>

>

>

> > is ULTRA CLEAR helping ?

>

><<SB>> It helped me a ton. My liver was so toxic that it was bulging out

>of

>my rib cage. I did the elimination diet for 28 days and when I was done

>felt so much better. Hypoglycemia was gone as was a big part of my fatigue

>and brain fog. The other part of my issue was due to undertreated thyroid

>issues.

> >

> > what is for metagenics ?

>

><<<SB>> Metagenics is a nutritional supplement company www.metagenics.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What was your 28 days elimination diet ?

<<SB>> It is the program that comes from Metagenics. It is a book that comes

with the UltraClear Plus as a program for detoxification. You can find it on

www.organic-pharmacy.com You will probably have to e-mail them and get a

password as they now protect their website. The program has you eliminate all

sugar, gluten, pork, beef and more. Eventually you get to one week where you

can only eat fruits and veggies and then you start to add food back. I would

not recommend doing this while chelating as the detoxing of the liver alone was

hard for me.

What is HYPOGLYCEMIA ?

<<SB>> Hypoglycemia is a blood sugar issue. I would have spikes and lows and

the lows created headaches and shaking.

Hypoglycemia

Glucose (a type of sugar) is the body's main energy source, and hormones (such

as insulin and glucagon) control the level of glucose in the blood. Hypoglycemia

occurs when the level of glucose in the blood is lower than it should be.

What test have you done for thyroid, and how did you fix your thyroid problem

?

<<SB>> I have started on Armour after being on Synthroid and for a very short

time with Cytome. My thyroid was removed in 2000 due to thyroid cancer so there

is no " fixing " it. I am seeing a Holistic MD that is working to balance my

hormones with BHRT and also vitamin / mineral levels. We have also added

adrenal support for my taxed adrenals and have removed amalgams and until

recently was chelating. I am getting ready to do another hair test and return

to his office for my 4 mos checkup. I feel 90% better than I did in Feb when I

first went to see him.

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Thanks for the reply.

Which one have you taken, ULTRA CLEAR PLUS or ULTRA PLUS ( not sure for

name) use for

phase I and II liver detoxification ? and How soon have you seen progress

in your liver's health ?

I cannot take milk thistle, gives some abdominal / colon problem, but it

help's.

Thanks,

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>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: <frequent-dose-chelation >

>Subject: Re: Re: Ultra Clear by Metagenics -

>Liver phases

>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:46:59 -0500

>

>

>

> What was your 28 days elimination diet ?

>

> <<SB>> It is the program that comes from Metagenics. It is a book that

>comes with the UltraClear Plus as a program for detoxification. You can

>find it on www.organic-pharmacy.com You will probably have to e-mail them

>and get a password as they now protect their website. The program has you

>eliminate all sugar, gluten, pork, beef and more. Eventually you get to

>one week where you can only eat fruits and veggies and then you start to

>add food back. I would not recommend doing this while chelating as the

>detoxing of the liver alone was hard for me.

>

> What is HYPOGLYCEMIA ?

>

> <<SB>> Hypoglycemia is a blood sugar issue. I would have spikes and

>lows and the lows created headaches and shaking.

>

> Hypoglycemia

> Glucose (a type of sugar) is the body's main energy source, and hormones

>(such as insulin and glucagon) control the level of glucose in the blood.

>Hypoglycemia occurs when the level of glucose in the blood is lower than it

>should be.

>

>

> What test have you done for thyroid, and how did you fix your thyroid

>problem ?

>

> <<SB>> I have started on Armour after being on Synthroid and for a very

>short time with Cytome. My thyroid was removed in 2000 due to thyroid

>cancer so there is no " fixing " it. I am seeing a Holistic MD that is

>working to balance my hormones with BHRT and also vitamin / mineral levels.

> We have also added adrenal support for my taxed adrenals and have removed

>amalgams and until recently was chelating. I am getting ready to do

>another hair test and return to his office for my 4 mos checkup. I feel

>90% better than I did in Feb when I first went to see him.

>

>

>

>

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> Which one have you taken, ULTRA CLEAR PLUS or ULTRA PLUS ( not sure for

> name) use for phase I and II liver detoxification ? and How soon have you

> seen progress

> in your liver's health ?

<<<SB>>>> - That's a hard question. I took UltraClear Plus from Dec '04 to

June '06. I did the 28 day detox in Dec '04 so I went through 3 cans that

month. After that I have ond 1 - 2 scoops per day. My liver was normal

size in about 9 mos BUT in May of '05 I had a very large round of

radioactive iodine for thyroid cancer (3rd one in 6 years) so that set my

liver back again. It took me a while to clean out again. It was

significantly better after the 28 days and then down to closer to normal by

around March '05. April '05 was the re-dx of cancer. I started on the

UltraClear pH in July '06 and have been doing that since because I was

having problems staying alkaline when chelating. This got me to a 7 pH from

6.25 in just 3 days.

>

> I cannot take milk thistle, gives some abdominal / colon problem, but it

> help's.

<<<SB>>> I have not taken either so I cannot comment on how I would do with

those.

[Guest guest]

> Which one have you taken, ULTRA CLEAR PLUS or ULTRA PLUS ( not sure for

> name) use for phase I and II liver detoxification ? and How soon have you

> seen progress

> in your liver's health ?

<<<SB>>>> - That's a hard question. I took UltraClear Plus from Dec '04 to

June '06. I did the 28 day detox in Dec '04 so I went through 3 cans that

month. After that I have ond 1 - 2 scoops per day. My liver was normal

size in about 9 mos BUT in May of '05 I had a very large round of

radioactive iodine for thyroid cancer (3rd one in 6 years) so that set my

liver back again. It took me a while to clean out again. It was

significantly better after the 28 days and then down to closer to normal by

around March '05. April '05 was the re-dx of cancer. I started on the

UltraClear pH in July '06 and have been doing that since because I was

having problems staying alkaline when chelating. This got me to a 7 pH from

6.25 in just 3 days.

>

> I cannot take milk thistle, gives some abdominal / colon problem, but it

> help's.

<<<SB>>> I have not taken either so I cannot comment on how I would do with

those.