Re: chelating with ALA only

[Guest guest]

Neutropenia can develope from using DMSA. Im going through it right

now. I guess, it doesnt happen a lot, but, it does occur. My

neutrophils were only 1266 last time i had my blood tested. I used

ALA alone last week, 35mg every 3 hours (including nights).

Jordan

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " corvulusthemighty "

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he mentions

> that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

>

> Is this less effective than doing it with both ALA and DMSA? Or in

> other words, what advantages does DMSA bring?

>

> I ask because DMSA can cause a blood disorder (agranulcytosis) that

> doctors are close to paranoid about, and because my philosophy is

> that - all other things being equal - less is more.

>

> Does anyone have comments?

>

> steve

>

[Guest guest]

Neutropenia can develope from using DMSA. Im going through it right

now. I guess, it doesnt happen a lot, but, it does occur. My

neutrophils were only 1266 last time i had my blood tested. I used

ALA alone last week, 35mg every 3 hours (including nights).

Jordan

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " corvulusthemighty "

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he mentions

> that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

>

> Is this less effective than doing it with both ALA and DMSA? Or in

> other words, what advantages does DMSA bring?

>

> I ask because DMSA can cause a blood disorder (agranulcytosis) that

> doctors are close to paranoid about, and because my philosophy is

> that - all other things being equal - less is more.

>

> Does anyone have comments?

>

> steve

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he

mentions

> that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

>

> Is this less effective than doing it with both ALA and DMSA? Or

in

> other words, what advantages does DMSA bring?

TK--- DMSA and DMPS can reduce side effects and increase excretion

by about 30% but ALA alone is all that is necessary unless you

happen to be one of those that can not tollerate it without the help

of dmsa or dmps to reduce side effects. Dmsa can cause more

problems than dmps.

>

> I ask because DMSA can cause a blood disorder (agranulcytosis)

that

> doctors are close to paranoid about, and because my philosophy is

> that - all other things being equal - less is more.

>

> Does anyone have comments?

>

> steve

>

[Guest guest]

We just switched our little one to dmps and I agree with , nice

chelator, strong and effective. Oral dmps, given orally, in small doses is

at least as safe as dmsa. Neutropenia can occur with both but is more of a

problem with dmsa.

Since we have done 90 rounds of dmsa/ala our experience shows some

differences with dmps, with or without Ala. Dmsa made her more tired and

this was a problem with school. Dmps appears to energize her and like

reported she seems to feel better when on it. Dmsa also appears to suck up

zinc much more. I know it is thought that this is not usually a problem, but

is what we noted here.

We use just a small amount, 9 mgs every 8 hours, gave dmsa at 12 mgs every 3

hours, so would be 36 mgs dmsa in the same 9 hour period. And you have to

love the dosing. Oral dmps has proved so beneficial here that we do " just "

dmps rounds of a week long once a month and then every three weeks we do a

dmps/ala round.

Dmsa is a good chelator, but in our experience, dmps is just a little

better, here.

Re: chelating with ALA only

>

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> Please tell me where you got this idea:

>

>> dmsa is still safer than dmps for chelation.

>

> My understanding is that DMPS and DMSA are very close in terms of

> safety. One problem is that DMPS has been used inappropriately so

> much that it has had some bad press - like from DMPS IVs and Buttar's

> TD DMPS in excessive doses every other day.

>

> I found side effects at the end of rounds exactly the same with oral

> DMSA and DMPS. I think DMPS is more potent than DMSA and so needs to

> be used at a lower dose.

>

> The really good thing about DMPS is that it can be taken every 8 h or

> which is great for people who want/need to sleep.

>

> I have been chelating continuously with DMPS for over a year and still

> feel way better when I take it.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>> >

>> > Hi everyone,

>> >

>> > While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he

>> mentions

>> > that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

>> >

>> >> I

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We just switched our little one to dmps and I agree with , nice

chelator, strong and effective. Oral dmps, given orally, in small doses is

at least as safe as dmsa. Neutropenia can occur with both but is more of a

problem with dmsa.

Since we have done 90 rounds of dmsa/ala our experience shows some

differences with dmps, with or without Ala. Dmsa made her more tired and

this was a problem with school. Dmps appears to energize her and like

reported she seems to feel better when on it. Dmsa also appears to suck up

zinc much more. I know it is thought that this is not usually a problem, but

is what we noted here.

We use just a small amount, 9 mgs every 8 hours, gave dmsa at 12 mgs every 3

hours, so would be 36 mgs dmsa in the same 9 hour period. And you have to

love the dosing. Oral dmps has proved so beneficial here that we do " just "

dmps rounds of a week long once a month and then every three weeks we do a

dmps/ala round.

Dmsa is a good chelator, but in our experience, dmps is just a little

better, here.

Re: chelating with ALA only

>

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> Please tell me where you got this idea:

>

>> dmsa is still safer than dmps for chelation.

>

> My understanding is that DMPS and DMSA are very close in terms of

> safety. One problem is that DMPS has been used inappropriately so

> much that it has had some bad press - like from DMPS IVs and Buttar's

> TD DMPS in excessive doses every other day.

>

> I found side effects at the end of rounds exactly the same with oral

> DMSA and DMPS. I think DMPS is more potent than DMSA and so needs to

> be used at a lower dose.

>

> The really good thing about DMPS is that it can be taken every 8 h or

> which is great for people who want/need to sleep.

>

> I have been chelating continuously with DMPS for over a year and still

> feel way better when I take it.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>> >

>> > Hi everyone,

>> >

>> > While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he

>> mentions

>> > that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

>> >

>> >> I

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he

> > mentions

> > > that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

> > >

> > >> I

> >

>

[Guest guest]

With the exception of lead removal as TK pointed out.

> >> >

> >> > Hi everyone,

> >> >

> >> > While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he

> >> mentions

> >> > that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

> >> >

> >> >> I

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Ala removes lead, but not too much of a problem for us, we never had lead.

Re: chelating with ALA only

> With the exception of lead removal as TK pointed out.

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>> >> > Hi everyone,

>> >> >

>> >> > While reading Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he

>> >> mentions

>> >> > that you can just chelate with ALA alone.

>> >> >

>> >> >> I

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