Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Val I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school, and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am going to collapse any minute like I did before. I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get there when my body is able. I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you want to remain functional throughout chelation. Hope this helps Nicola -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 " wrote: > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > these are treated. > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > a " normal " life while chelating? > > Thanks, > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Val I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school, and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am going to collapse any minute like I did before. I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get there when my body is able. I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you want to remain functional throughout chelation. Hope this helps Nicola -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 " wrote: > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > these are treated. > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > a " normal " life while chelating? > > Thanks, > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Val I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school, and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am going to collapse any minute like I did before. I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get there when my body is able. I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you want to remain functional throughout chelation. Hope this helps Nicola -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 " wrote: > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > these are treated. > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > a " normal " life while chelating? > > Thanks, > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 thanks, Nicola. I've got an appt with a doc on Friday. They're watching me like a hawk at work - today I don't feel so bad. But all it takes is a stressful event and I crumble to pieces. Val ------------------------ > Val > > I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year > after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal > support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I > continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more > functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something > else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school, > and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me > my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy > every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am > going to collapse any minute like I did before. > > I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and > down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation > in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so > the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on > raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, > and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before > getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at > very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and > super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get > there when my body is able. > > I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you > want to remain functional throughout chelation. > > Hope this helps > Nicola > > > -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 " > <seashell_555@> wrote: > > > > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping > to > > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement > once > > these are treated. > > > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel > better > > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > > a " normal " life while chelating? > > > > Thanks, > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 thanks, Nicola. I've got an appt with a doc on Friday. They're watching me like a hawk at work - today I don't feel so bad. But all it takes is a stressful event and I crumble to pieces. Val ------------------------ > Val > > I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year > after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal > support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I > continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more > functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something > else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school, > and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me > my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy > every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am > going to collapse any minute like I did before. > > I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and > down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation > in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so > the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on > raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, > and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before > getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at > very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and > super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get > there when my body is able. > > I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you > want to remain functional throughout chelation. > > Hope this helps > Nicola > > > -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 " > <seashell_555@> wrote: > > > > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping > to > > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement > once > > these are treated. > > > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel > better > > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > > a " normal " life while chelating? > > > > Thanks, > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 thanks, Nicola. I've got an appt with a doc on Friday. They're watching me like a hawk at work - today I don't feel so bad. But all it takes is a stressful event and I crumble to pieces. Val ------------------------ > Val > > I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year > after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal > support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I > continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more > functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something > else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school, > and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me > my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy > every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am > going to collapse any minute like I did before. > > I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and > down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation > in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so > the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on > raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, > and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before > getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at > very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and > super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get > there when my body is able. > > I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you > want to remain functional throughout chelation. > > Hope this helps > Nicola > > > -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 " > <seashell_555@> wrote: > > > > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping > to > > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement > once > > these are treated. > > > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel > better > > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > > a " normal " life while chelating? > > > > Thanks, > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > these are treated. > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > a " normal " life while chelating? I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol). After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just another example of how things are changing. Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems. Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing that Andy's advice was exactly right. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > these are treated. > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > a " normal " life while chelating? I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol). After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just another example of how things are changing. Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems. Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing that Andy's advice was exactly right. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > these are treated. > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > a " normal " life while chelating? I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol). After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just another example of how things are changing. Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems. Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing that Andy's advice was exactly right. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I am concentrating on > raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, > and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before > getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at > very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and > super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get > there when my body is able. Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them. The sleep thing has been terrible for me too -- I don't know if it's the same for you, but I was so achy and sore that I'd wake up a million times a night and sometimes have a hard time going back to sleep. Chelating myself was often not a big deal because I was waking up so much anyway. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I am concentrating on > raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, > and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before > getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at > very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and > super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get > there when my body is able. Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them. The sleep thing has been terrible for me too -- I don't know if it's the same for you, but I was so achy and sore that I'd wake up a million times a night and sometimes have a hard time going back to sleep. Chelating myself was often not a big deal because I was waking up so much anyway. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I am concentrating on > raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals, > and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before > getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at > very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and > super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get > there when my body is able. Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them. The sleep thing has been terrible for me too -- I don't know if it's the same for you, but I was so achy and sore that I'd wake up a million times a night and sometimes have a hard time going back to sleep. Chelating myself was often not a big deal because I was waking up so much anyway. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thanks so much for posting that, Nell. I felt almost normal on adderall (a stimulant) but my intuition said it was not good for me. So I stopped. Now I'm glad I did. I think it was giving my adrenals a major boost but also frying them too. Hopefully, the cortef will act the same way without damaging my adrenals. On another note, 2 teachers I work with are suffering and are looking into the mercury connection. Both want to go to Tijuana and get the fillings removed. Word is spreading! Val ------------------ > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > > these are treated. > > > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > > a " normal " life while chelating? > > > I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape > starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid > almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I > was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some > decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt > nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a > month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me > feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol). > > After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and > laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just > walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just > didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just > another example of how things are changing. > > Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and > if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly > -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a > difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems. > > Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing > that Andy's advice was exactly right. > > > Nell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thanks so much for posting that, Nell. I felt almost normal on adderall (a stimulant) but my intuition said it was not good for me. So I stopped. Now I'm glad I did. I think it was giving my adrenals a major boost but also frying them too. Hopefully, the cortef will act the same way without damaging my adrenals. On another note, 2 teachers I work with are suffering and are looking into the mercury connection. Both want to go to Tijuana and get the fillings removed. Word is spreading! Val ------------------ > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > > these are treated. > > > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > > a " normal " life while chelating? > > > I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape > starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid > almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I > was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some > decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt > nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a > month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me > feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol). > > After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and > laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just > walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just > didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just > another example of how things are changing. > > Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and > if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly > -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a > difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems. > > Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing > that Andy's advice was exactly right. > > > Nell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 lanellici wrote: It did nothing, even after three dosage increases, at which point the endo told me I had mental problems (even though my TSH was still around 10) and I fired him. ~Nahla...don't you just love those Dr's? The only prescription (or test)I got from my neurologist after 3 visits to find the cause of my neuropathy, was for antidepressants. What I want to know is if my Dr's intake questionaire can ask me if I ever used illegal substances, why doesn't it ask me if I have amalgams? Or recently been vaccinated? Recent Activity 9 New Members 1 New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , lanellici wrote: > -------Nell, was this with Armour or synthetics? How much were you/are you taking? And do you have Hashi's or just hypo? Are you being treated by a doctor or self-treating?-------Jackie T Jackie, I started out with an endo and synthetics. I knew (from online advice, of course) that synthetics don't work for many people but the endo was immoveable and I figured I'd give it a try. It did nothing, even after three dosage increases, at which point the endo told me I had mental problems (even though my TSH was still around 10) and I fired him. ------Good for you! I think the big pharma's would love to see us all on anti-depressants for the rest of our lives!-------Jackie T I found a DO who prescribed Armour but have had a terrible time getting the dosage right. Too low, then too high, then too low. Only recently did I finally understand that adrenal fatigue messes with thyroid hormone uptake. -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of adrenal support to make the Armour work? Did you have to bring this up, or did he? Because this sounds exactly like my situation. I got a DO to prescribe Armour for my Hashi's, very happy to do that, but when I mentioned needing adrenal support also, he just didn't seem to get it and wasn't willing to do it. So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I stopped taking it. I called and told them what happened, and asked for a 4X a day saliva cortisol test, which they sent me, and of course my results came out in the normal range all day long, but very low, just above the line. So they told me my test results were normal, so I knew he wouldn't prescribe anything, so I haven't talked to him since. I decided to learn more on my own, and I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped. And I've had other medical problems lately, so I haven't gotten back to dealing with this until now. So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies, and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on these boards has been nearly impossible. And the DO I did see is 3-1/2 hours away, so I do most of it over the phone with him, so that's not the easiest either. Anyway, sorry to rant about this, but it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time finding a doctor who understands all of this!------Jackie T. At this point I'm on 150 mg of Armour, ------That's equal to 2-1/2 grains, right?-------Jackie T. 5 mg of Cortef, and about 5 tablets of Isocort (I'm going to ask the DO to increase the Cortef prescription, but in the meantime using Isocort). -------Did you have a hard time getting him to prescribe even that small amount of Cortef? Does he know you're taking Isocort? Did you start taking Isocort first on your own, and did that help convince him to give you Cortef? Sorry so many questions about this, just trying to figure out how you convinced him to prescribe it.-------Jackie t. The NaturalThyroidHormone yahoogroup is very helpful with figuring out problems with thyroid and interpreting tests, etc. ---------Yes, I have joined the group, just been lurking, haven't posted anything yet. I haven't had my thyroid tested for a long time, and probably need to do that, so I have some current data to go by. From reading that group, I found out that I have another problem to deal with which could cause trouble with Armour, my ferritin is extremely low. The above DO tested it last year, and it was 4! NTH says it should be 70-90, so I guess I'm almost dead! But I don't tolerate iron supps well, and Andy explains this in his HTI book, and says you can raise it by taking lots of anti-oxidants, which I have bee doing. So I need to get that tested again before I try Armour again. And, it seems that this DO didn't understand the ferritin - thyroid connection either, so it makes me wonder how much he does understand about this. I guess I just get very frustrated because I pay him $48 per 10 minutes, and I have to educate him? Arrrrrggg!!!!! (Sorry, more venting!)-------Jackie T> Yes, I have Hashi's. I'm really curious to see what happens when I'm fully chelated -- will the immune system calm down? Will my need for Armour drop way down or go away? --------My thoughts exactly too, Nell. It will be interesting to see, won't it? Things like that would be very important for people to come back and post about, even when they get well and aren't on these boards all the time. Hopefully some of us here now will remember to do that. Thanks for answering all my questions.-----Jackie T> Nell _._,_.___ Messages in this topic (13) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 9New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Hi, Interesting exchange Jackie and Nell. I'm self-treating my thryoid (4 1/2 grains of Armour) and adrenal (15 mgs HC). My ferritin is 20, up from 12 in June. Just some FYI's: Andy recommends ferritin of 30-70. He says metal toxic people's bodies sometimes dump iron because it causes oxidation. Somewhere in Amalgam Illness he does say that people's thryoids generally recover with chelation. I wonder how that works when you are taking Armour (and thus suppressing your thryoid). Do you become hyperT or do you have to wean yourself off Armour and let your thyroid come back to life? I've heard lots of theories about what nutritional supplements suppress thyroid antibodies. Andy says niacinamide (a form of B3) is good for autoimmunity in general. The NTH people say that Armour can suppress the antibodies (this has not happened for me so far - after 3 months of Armour my antibodies were exactly the same). On the Iodine group they are saying that methylation can help suppress antibodies (and that iodine does not worsen them). In particular, I think Dr. Brownstein is suggesting the Metagenics equivalent of FolaPro. W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of adrenal support to make the Armour work? No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day, although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working fine. > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I stopped taking it. You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms besides fatigue? >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped. Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's working for you. > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies, and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on these boards has been nearly impossible. I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful. The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy. >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time finding a doctor who understands all of this! Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable, though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken me years to get it right. Nell- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of adrenal support to make the Armour work? No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day, although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working fine. > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I stopped taking it. You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms besides fatigue? >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped. Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's working for you. > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies, and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on these boards has been nearly impossible. I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful. The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy. >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time finding a doctor who understands all of this! Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable, though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken me years to get it right. Nell- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of adrenal support to make the Armour work? No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day, although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working fine. > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I stopped taking it. You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms besides fatigue? >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped. Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's working for you. > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies, and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on these boards has been nearly impossible. I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful. The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy. >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time finding a doctor who understands all of this! Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable, though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken me years to get it right. Nell- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 On the Iodine > group they are saying that methylation can help suppress antibodies > (and that iodine does not worsen them). In particular, I think Dr. > Brownstein is suggesting the Metagenics equivalent of FolaPro. Do you like the Iodine group? I had thought iodine was contraindicated for Hashi's so I hadn;t even looked there. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 If you guys are anywhere near Ashburn, VA - please go see Dr. Hart. He listened to my symptoms, took a medical history and said I clearly had adrenal problems. And thyroid. I feel so lucky to have found him. He's not perfect - believes in challenge tests for mercury diagnosis but oh well, he knows adrenal/thryoid very well. It makes me so mad when docs refuse to listen to your symtpoms and make a diagnosis. It's like we're no longer human to most of them. We can't possibly recognize our own pain or suffering. Only a friggin lab can do that. aaaaaaaaaaaaargh. Val ------------------------------ > > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of > adrenal support to make the Armour work? > > No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the > importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So > I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about > Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my > next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's > recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day, > although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working > fine. > > > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, > crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I > stopped taking it. > > You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms > besides fatigue? > > >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped. > > Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no > hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's > working for you. > > > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just > self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody > else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies, > and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on > these boards has been nearly impossible. > > I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful. > The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test > and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy. > > >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel > better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time > finding a doctor who understands all of this! > > Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I > understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable, > though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken > me years to get it right. > > Nell- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 If you guys are anywhere near Ashburn, VA - please go see Dr. Hart. He listened to my symptoms, took a medical history and said I clearly had adrenal problems. And thyroid. I feel so lucky to have found him. He's not perfect - believes in challenge tests for mercury diagnosis but oh well, he knows adrenal/thryoid very well. It makes me so mad when docs refuse to listen to your symtpoms and make a diagnosis. It's like we're no longer human to most of them. We can't possibly recognize our own pain or suffering. Only a friggin lab can do that. aaaaaaaaaaaaargh. Val ------------------------------ > > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of > adrenal support to make the Armour work? > > No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the > importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So > I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about > Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my > next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's > recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day, > although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working > fine. > > > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, > crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I > stopped taking it. > > You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms > besides fatigue? > > >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped. > > Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no > hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's > working for you. > > > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just > self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody > else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies, > and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on > these boards has been nearly impossible. > > I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful. > The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test > and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy. > > >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel > better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time > finding a doctor who understands all of this! > > Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I > understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable, > though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken > me years to get it right. > > Nell- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 If you guys are anywhere near Ashburn, VA - please go see Dr. Hart. He listened to my symptoms, took a medical history and said I clearly had adrenal problems. And thyroid. I feel so lucky to have found him. He's not perfect - believes in challenge tests for mercury diagnosis but oh well, he knows adrenal/thryoid very well. It makes me so mad when docs refuse to listen to your symtpoms and make a diagnosis. It's like we're no longer human to most of them. We can't possibly recognize our own pain or suffering. Only a friggin lab can do that. aaaaaaaaaaaaargh. Val ------------------------------ > > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of > adrenal support to make the Armour work? > > No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the > importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So > I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about > Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my > next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's > recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day, > although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working > fine. > > > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, > crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I > stopped taking it. > > You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms > besides fatigue? > > >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped. > > Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no > hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's > working for you. > > > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just > self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody > else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies, > and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on > these boards has been nearly impossible. > > I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful. > The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test > and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy. > > >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel > better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time > finding a doctor who understands all of this! > > Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I > understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable, > though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken > me years to get it right. > > Nell- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 -I began adrenal cortex extract three months ago, along with a glandular thyroid support product and have to say I am feeling better than I ever have. I notice a difference within a day or two on the adrenal cortex. The thyroid support product took a few weeks. But it is working. I am losing weight, have energy, sleep less, depression is gone, many other things are improving. I am feeling less disabled these days! I am looking into going back to work after being disabled for 10 years. So yes, I can say it has made a huge difference. It really has helped me tolerate chelation better too. In the past two months I have begun to work again at my home sales business and am looking into going back to work outside the house. I think treating these two things has made the biggest difference for me. And it did not take long to see results. -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 " wrote: > > > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. > > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once > these are treated. > > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live > a " normal " life while chelating? > > Thanks, > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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