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Val

I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year

after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal

support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I

continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more

functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something

else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school,

and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me

my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy

every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am

going to collapse any minute like I did before.

I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and

down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation

in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so

the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on

raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals,

and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and

super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get

there when my body is able.

I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you

want to remain functional throughout chelation.

Hope this helps

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 "

wrote:

>

>

> I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping

to

> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

>

> I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement

once

> these are treated.

>

> Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

better

> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live

> a " normal " life while chelating?

>

> Thanks,

> Val

>

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Val

I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year

after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal

support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I

continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more

functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something

else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school,

and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me

my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy

every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am

going to collapse any minute like I did before.

I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and

down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation

in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so

the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on

raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals,

and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and

super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get

there when my body is able.

I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you

want to remain functional throughout chelation.

Hope this helps

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 "

wrote:

>

>

> I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping

to

> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

>

> I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement

once

> these are treated.

>

> Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

better

> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live

> a " normal " life while chelating?

>

> Thanks,

> Val

>

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Val

I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this year

after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on adrenal

support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid. I

continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much more

functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something

else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from school,

and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave me

my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy

every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I am

going to collapse any minute like I did before.

I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and

down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started chelation

in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway, so

the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on

raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals,

and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and

super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get

there when my body is able.

I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you

want to remain functional throughout chelation.

Hope this helps

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 "

wrote:

>

>

> I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping

to

> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

>

> I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement

once

> these are treated.

>

> Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

better

> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live

> a " normal " life while chelating?

>

> Thanks,

> Val

>

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thanks, Nicola.

I've got an appt with a doc on Friday. They're watching me like a

hawk at work - today I don't feel so bad. But all it takes is a

stressful event and I crumble to pieces.

Val

------------------------

> Val

>

> I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this

year

> after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on

adrenal

> support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid.

I

> continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much

more

> functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something

> else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from

school,

> and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave

me

> my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy

> every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I

am

> going to collapse any minute like I did before.

>

> I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and

> down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started

chelation

> in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway,

so

> the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on

> raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak

adrenals,

> and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

> getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

> very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey

and

> super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will

get

> there when my body is able.

>

> I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you

> want to remain functional throughout chelation.

>

> Hope this helps

> Nicola

>

>

> -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 "

> <seashell_555@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am

hoping

> to

> > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

> >

> > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic

improvement

> once

> > these are treated.

> >

> > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

> better

> > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job,

live

> > a " normal " life while chelating?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Val

> >

>

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thanks, Nicola.

I've got an appt with a doc on Friday. They're watching me like a

hawk at work - today I don't feel so bad. But all it takes is a

stressful event and I crumble to pieces.

Val

------------------------

> Val

>

> I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this

year

> after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on

adrenal

> support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid.

I

> continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much

more

> functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something

> else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from

school,

> and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave

me

> my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy

> every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I

am

> going to collapse any minute like I did before.

>

> I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and

> down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started

chelation

> in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway,

so

> the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on

> raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak

adrenals,

> and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

> getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

> very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey

and

> super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will

get

> there when my body is able.

>

> I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you

> want to remain functional throughout chelation.

>

> Hope this helps

> Nicola

>

>

> -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 "

> <seashell_555@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am

hoping

> to

> > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

> >

> > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic

improvement

> once

> > these are treated.

> >

> > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

> better

> > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job,

live

> > a " normal " life while chelating?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Val

> >

>

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thanks, Nicola.

I've got an appt with a doc on Friday. They're watching me like a

hawk at work - today I don't feel so bad. But all it takes is a

stressful event and I crumble to pieces.

Val

------------------------

> Val

>

> I was bedridden and housebound for the first four months of this

year

> after an adrenal crash at Christmas. In April I started on

adrenal

> support (prednisolone - stronger than cortef) and Armour thyroid.

I

> continued having my amalgams out. By the end of June I was much

more

> functional - I could get up, take the kids to school, do something

> else in the morning, rest after lunch, pick the kids up from

school,

> and then do something else after. Adrenal support and Armour gave

me

> my life back to some extent. I am far from well, and feel lousy

> every morning, and sleeping is still difficult, but I don't feel I

am

> going to collapse any minute like I did before.

>

> I doubt whether I could work full time, as I am still very up and

> down 4 months post amalgam removal. I haven't yet started

chelation

> in any serious way - sleeping is such a nightmare for me anyway,

so

> the 4 hourly schedule really messes me up. I am concentrating on

> raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak

adrenals,

> and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

> getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

> very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey

and

> super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will

get

> there when my body is able.

>

> I would definitely recommend adrenal and thyroid treatment if you

> want to remain functional throughout chelation.

>

> Hope this helps

> Nicola

>

>

> -- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 "

> <seashell_555@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am

hoping

> to

> > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

> >

> > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic

improvement

> once

> > these are treated.

> >

> > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

> better

> > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job,

live

> > a " normal " life while chelating?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Val

> >

>

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>

> I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to

> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

>

> I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once

> these are treated.

>

> Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better

> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live

> a " normal " life while chelating?

I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape

starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid

almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I

was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some

decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt

nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a

month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me

feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol).

After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and

laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just

walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just

didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just

another example of how things are changing.

Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and

if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly

-- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a

difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems.

Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing

that Andy's advice was exactly right.

Nell

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>

>

> I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to

> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

>

> I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once

> these are treated.

>

> Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better

> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live

> a " normal " life while chelating?

I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape

starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid

almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I

was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some

decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt

nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a

month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me

feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol).

After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and

laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just

walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just

didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just

another example of how things are changing.

Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and

if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly

-- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a

difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems.

Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing

that Andy's advice was exactly right.

Nell

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>

>

> I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to

> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

>

> I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once

> these are treated.

>

> Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better

> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live

> a " normal " life while chelating?

I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape

starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid

almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I

was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some

decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt

nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a

month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me

feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol).

After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and

laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just

walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just

didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just

another example of how things are changing.

Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and

if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly

-- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a

difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems.

Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing

that Andy's advice was exactly right.

Nell

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I am concentrating on

> raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals,

> and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

> getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

> very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and

> super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get

> there when my body is able.

Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and

strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage

some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them.

The sleep thing has been terrible for me too -- I don't know if it's

the same for you, but I was so achy and sore that I'd wake up a

million times a night and sometimes have a hard time going back to

sleep. Chelating myself was often not a big deal because I was waking

up so much anyway.

Nell

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I am concentrating on

> raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals,

> and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

> getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

> very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and

> super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get

> there when my body is able.

Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and

strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage

some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them.

The sleep thing has been terrible for me too -- I don't know if it's

the same for you, but I was so achy and sore that I'd wake up a

million times a night and sometimes have a hard time going back to

sleep. Chelating myself was often not a big deal because I was waking

up so much anyway.

Nell

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I am concentrating on

> raising my Armour dose, strenghtening my pathetically weak adrenals,

> and dealing with yeast through strict diet and probiotics before

> getting serious with chelation. I have done a couple of rounds at

> very low doses (6mg and 8mg)and they have left me feeling fluey and

> super irritable, but I know that I can tolerate them, so I will get

> there when my body is able.

Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and

strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage

some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them.

The sleep thing has been terrible for me too -- I don't know if it's

the same for you, but I was so achy and sore that I'd wake up a

million times a night and sometimes have a hard time going back to

sleep. Chelating myself was often not a big deal because I was waking

up so much anyway.

Nell

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Thanks so much for posting that, Nell. I felt almost normal on

adderall (a stimulant) but my intuition said it was not good for

me. So I stopped. Now I'm glad I did. I think it was giving my

adrenals a major boost but also frying them too. Hopefully, the

cortef will act the same way without damaging my adrenals.

On another note, 2 teachers I work with are suffering and are

looking into the mercury connection. Both want to go to Tijuana and

get the fillings removed. Word is spreading!

Val

------------------

> > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am

hoping to

> > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

> >

> > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic

improvement once

> > these are treated.

> >

> > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

better

> > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job,

live

> > a " normal " life while chelating?

>

>

> I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape

> starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for

hypothyroid

> almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of

anything. I

> was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some

> decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt

> nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a

> month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making

me

> feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that,

lol).

>

> After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and

> laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I

just

> walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I

just

> didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just

> another example of how things are changing.

>

> Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly,

and

> if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal

quickly

> -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a

> difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone

problems.

>

> Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing

> that Andy's advice was exactly right.

>

>

> Nell

>

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Thanks so much for posting that, Nell. I felt almost normal on

adderall (a stimulant) but my intuition said it was not good for

me. So I stopped. Now I'm glad I did. I think it was giving my

adrenals a major boost but also frying them too. Hopefully, the

cortef will act the same way without damaging my adrenals.

On another note, 2 teachers I work with are suffering and are

looking into the mercury connection. Both want to go to Tijuana and

get the fillings removed. Word is spreading!

Val

------------------

> > I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am

hoping to

> > start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

> >

> > I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic

improvement once

> > these are treated.

> >

> > Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel

better

> > and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job,

live

> > a " normal " life while chelating?

>

>

> I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape

> starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for

hypothyroid

> almost 3 years ago, but wasn't able to work or do much of

anything. I

> was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some

> decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt

> nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a

> month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making

me

> feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that,

lol).

>

> After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and

> laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I

just

> walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I

just

> didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just

> another example of how things are changing.

>

> Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly,

and

> if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal

quickly

> -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a

> difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone

problems.

>

> Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing

> that Andy's advice was exactly right.

>

>

> Nell

>

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lanellici wrote: It did nothing, even after

three dosage increases, at which point the endo told me I had mental

problems (even though my TSH was still around 10) and I fired him.

~Nahla...don't you just love those Dr's? The only prescription (or test)I got

from my neurologist after 3 visits to find the cause of my neuropathy, was for

antidepressants.

What I want to know is if my Dr's intake questionaire can ask me if I ever

used illegal substances, why doesn't it ask me if I have amalgams? Or recently

been vaccinated?

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> -------Nell, was this with Armour or synthetics? How much were

you/are you taking? And do you have Hashi's or just hypo? Are you

being treated by a doctor or self-treating?-------Jackie T

Jackie,

I started out with an endo and synthetics. I knew (from online advice,

of course) that synthetics don't work for many people but the endo was

immoveable and I figured I'd give it a try. It did nothing, even after

three dosage increases, at which point the endo told me I had mental

problems (even though my TSH was still around 10) and I fired him.

------Good for you! I think the big pharma's would love to see us all on

anti-depressants for the rest of our lives!-------Jackie T

I found a DO who prescribed Armour but have had a terrible time

getting the dosage right. Too low, then too high, then too low. Only

recently did I finally understand that adrenal fatigue messes with

thyroid hormone uptake.

-------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of adrenal

support to make the Armour work? Did you have to bring this up, or did he?

Because this sounds exactly like my situation. I got a DO to prescribe Armour

for my Hashi's, very happy to do that, but when I mentioned needing adrenal

support also, he just didn't seem to get it and wasn't willing to do it. So I

tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse, crashing very

hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I stopped taking it. I called

and told them what happened, and asked for a 4X a day saliva cortisol test,

which they sent me, and of course my results came out in the normal range all

day long, but very low, just above the line. So they told me my test results

were normal, so I knew he wouldn't prescribe anything, so I haven't talked to

him since. I decided to learn more on my own, and I have tried Isocort on my

own, which has helped. And I've had other medical problems lately, so I haven't

gotten back to dealing with this until now. So I'm trying to decide if I should

go back to him and maybe just self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try

to find somebody else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the

boonies, and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on

these boards has been nearly impossible. And the DO I did see is 3-1/2 hours

away, so I do most of it over the phone with him, so that's not the easiest

either. Anyway, sorry to rant about this, but it's very frustrating because

everybody here tells me you'll feel better on adrenal and thyroid support, and

I'm having a hell of a time finding a doctor who understands all of

this!------Jackie T.

At this point I'm on 150 mg of Armour,

------That's equal to 2-1/2 grains, right?-------Jackie T.

5 mg of Cortef, and about 5 tablets of Isocort (I'm going to ask the DO to

increase the Cortef prescription, but in the meantime using Isocort).

-------Did you have a hard time getting him to prescribe even that small

amount of Cortef? Does he know you're taking Isocort? Did you start taking

Isocort first on your own, and did that help convince him to give you Cortef?

Sorry so many questions about this, just trying to figure out how you convinced

him to prescribe it.-------Jackie t.

The NaturalThyroidHormone yahoogroup is very helpful with figuring out

problems with thyroid and interpreting tests, etc.

---------Yes, I have joined the group, just been lurking, haven't posted

anything yet. I haven't had my thyroid tested for a long time, and probably

need to do that, so I have some current data to go by. From reading that group,

I found out that I have another problem to deal with which could cause trouble

with Armour, my ferritin is extremely low. The above DO tested it last year,

and it was 4! NTH says it should be 70-90, so I guess I'm almost dead! But I

don't tolerate iron supps well, and Andy explains this in his HTI book, and says

you can raise it by taking lots of anti-oxidants, which I have bee doing. So I

need to get that tested again before I try Armour again. And, it seems that

this DO didn't understand the ferritin - thyroid connection either, so it makes

me wonder how much he does understand about this. I guess I just get very

frustrated because I pay him $48 per 10 minutes, and I have to educate him?

Arrrrrggg!!!!! (Sorry, more venting!)-------Jackie T>

Yes, I have Hashi's. I'm really curious to see what happens when I'm

fully chelated -- will the immune system calm down? Will my need for

Armour drop way down or go away?

--------My thoughts exactly too, Nell. It will be interesting to see, won't

it? Things like that would be very important for people to come back and post

about, even when they get well and aren't on these boards all the time.

Hopefully some of us here now will remember to do that. Thanks for answering

all my questions.-----Jackie T>

Nell

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Hi,

Interesting exchange Jackie and Nell.

I'm self-treating my thryoid (4 1/2 grains of Armour) and adrenal (15

mgs HC). My ferritin is 20, up from 12 in June.

Just some FYI's:

Andy recommends ferritin of 30-70. He says metal toxic people's

bodies sometimes dump iron because it causes oxidation.

Somewhere in Amalgam Illness he does say that people's thryoids

generally recover with chelation. I wonder how that works when you

are taking Armour (and thus suppressing your thryoid). Do you become

hyperT or do you have to wean yourself off Armour and let your thyroid

come back to life?

I've heard lots of theories about what nutritional supplements

suppress thyroid antibodies. Andy says niacinamide (a form of B3) is

good for autoimmunity in general. The NTH people say that Armour can

suppress the antibodies (this has not happened for me so far - after 3

months of Armour my antibodies were exactly the same). On the Iodine

group they are saying that methylation can help suppress antibodies

(and that iodine does not worsen them). In particular, I think Dr.

Brownstein is suggesting the Metagenics equivalent of FolaPro.

W.

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> -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of

adrenal support to make the Armour work?

No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the

importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So

I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about

Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my

next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's

recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day,

although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working

fine.

> So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse,

crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I

stopped taking it.

You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms

besides fatigue?

>I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped.

Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no

hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's

working for you.

> So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just

self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody

else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies,

and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on

these boards has been nearly impossible.

I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful.

The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test

and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy.

>it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel

better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time

finding a doctor who understands all of this!

Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I

understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable,

though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken

me years to get it right.

Nell-

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> -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of

adrenal support to make the Armour work?

No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the

importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So

I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about

Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my

next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's

recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day,

although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working

fine.

> So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse,

crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I

stopped taking it.

You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms

besides fatigue?

>I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped.

Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no

hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's

working for you.

> So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just

self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody

else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies,

and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on

these boards has been nearly impossible.

I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful.

The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test

and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy.

>it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel

better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time

finding a doctor who understands all of this!

Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I

understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable,

though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken

me years to get it right.

Nell-

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> -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance of

adrenal support to make the Armour work?

No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the

importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in. So

I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know about

Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at my

next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's

recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per day,

although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be working

fine.

> So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling worse,

crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I

stopped taking it.

You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms

besides fatigue?

>I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped.

Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no

hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's

working for you.

> So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just

self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody

else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the boonies,

and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned on

these boards has been nearly impossible.

I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything useful.

The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood test

and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy.

>it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel

better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a time

finding a doctor who understands all of this!

Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot until I

understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable,

though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t taken

me years to get it right.

Nell-

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On the Iodine

> group they are saying that methylation can help suppress antibodies

> (and that iodine does not worsen them). In particular, I think Dr.

> Brownstein is suggesting the Metagenics equivalent of FolaPro.

Do you like the Iodine group? I had thought iodine was contraindicated

for Hashi's so I hadn;t even looked there.

Nell

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If you guys are anywhere near Ashburn, VA - please go see Dr.

Hart. He listened to my symptoms, took a medical history and said I

clearly had adrenal problems. And thyroid. I feel so lucky to have

found him. He's not perfect - believes in challenge tests for

mercury diagnosis but oh well, he knows adrenal/thryoid very well.

It makes me so mad when docs refuse to listen to your symtpoms and

make a diagnosis. It's like we're no longer human to most of them.

We can't possibly recognize our own pain or suffering. Only a

friggin lab can do that. aaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Val

------------------------------

> > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance

of

> adrenal support to make the Armour work?

>

> No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the

> importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in.

So

> I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know

about

> Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at

my

> next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's

> recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per

day,

> although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be

working

> fine.

>

> > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling

worse,

> crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I

> stopped taking it.

>

> You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms

> besides fatigue?

>

> >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped.

>

> Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no

> hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's

> working for you.

>

> > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just

> self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody

> else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the

boonies,

> and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned

on

> these boards has been nearly impossible.

>

> I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything

useful.

> The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood

test

> and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy.

>

> >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel

> better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a

time

> finding a doctor who understands all of this!

>

> Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot

until I

> understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable,

> though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t

taken

> me years to get it right.

>

> Nell-

>

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If you guys are anywhere near Ashburn, VA - please go see Dr.

Hart. He listened to my symptoms, took a medical history and said I

clearly had adrenal problems. And thyroid. I feel so lucky to have

found him. He's not perfect - believes in challenge tests for

mercury diagnosis but oh well, he knows adrenal/thryoid very well.

It makes me so mad when docs refuse to listen to your symtpoms and

make a diagnosis. It's like we're no longer human to most of them.

We can't possibly recognize our own pain or suffering. Only a

friggin lab can do that. aaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Val

------------------------------

> > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance

of

> adrenal support to make the Armour work?

>

> No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the

> importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in.

So

> I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know

about

> Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at

my

> next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's

> recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per

day,

> although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be

working

> fine.

>

> > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling

worse,

> crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I

> stopped taking it.

>

> You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms

> besides fatigue?

>

> >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped.

>

> Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no

> hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's

> working for you.

>

> > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just

> self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody

> else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the

boonies,

> and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned

on

> these boards has been nearly impossible.

>

> I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything

useful.

> The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood

test

> and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy.

>

> >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel

> better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a

time

> finding a doctor who understands all of this!

>

> Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot

until I

> understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable,

> though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t

taken

> me years to get it right.

>

> Nell-

>

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If you guys are anywhere near Ashburn, VA - please go see Dr.

Hart. He listened to my symptoms, took a medical history and said I

clearly had adrenal problems. And thyroid. I feel so lucky to have

found him. He's not perfect - believes in challenge tests for

mercury diagnosis but oh well, he knows adrenal/thryoid very well.

It makes me so mad when docs refuse to listen to your symtpoms and

make a diagnosis. It's like we're no longer human to most of them.

We can't possibly recognize our own pain or suffering. Only a

friggin lab can do that. aaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Val

------------------------------

> > -------Did your DO not understand the connection or importance

of

> adrenal support to make the Armour work?

>

> No. And I didn't either, for a long time. I had read Andy on the

> importance of treating for adrenals but somehow it didn't sink in.

So

> I did the Canary Club test on my own, and luckily my DO did know

about

> Cortef, probably because we live in Jeffries's hometown. I hope at

my

> next appointment I can convince him to prescribe Jeffries's

> recommended amounts because now I've only got a measly 5 mg per

day,

> although the Isocort I'm using the rest of the day seems to be

working

> fine.

>

> > So I tried the Armour for about 3 weeks, and started feeling

worse,

> crashing very hard in the afternoon, worse than without it, so I

> stopped taking it.

>

> You mean it made you more tired? That's odd. Any other symptoms

> besides fatigue?

>

> >I have tried Isocort on my own, which has helped.

>

> Isocort seems like the perfect thing for a mild case of AF -- no

> hassle with scrips and not too strong but does the job. Glad it's

> working for you.

>

> > So I'm trying to decide if I should go back to him and maybe just

> self-treat the adrenals if he won't do it, or try to find somebody

> else, which isn't easy because I live in northern MN in the

boonies,

> and finding a doctor that knows anything about what I have learned

on

> these boards has been nearly impossible.

>

> I hear you. I haven't found anyone who knows much of anything

useful.

> The DO doesn't believe I have Hg poisoning because he did a blood

test

> and the level wasn't way high. He won't consult with Andy.

>

> >it's very frustrating because everybody here tells me you'll feel

> better on adrenal and thyroid support, and I'm having a hell of a

time

> finding a doctor who understands all of this!

>

> Yep. All I can suggest is what I did, which was read NTH a lot

until I

> understood what to ask for, and then go to the most approchable,

> though far from perfect, doc I could find. I just wish it hadn;t

taken

> me years to get it right.

>

> Nell-

>

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-I began adrenal cortex extract three months ago, along with a

glandular thyroid support product and have to say I am feeling better

than I ever have. I notice a difference within a day or two on the

adrenal cortex. The thyroid support product took a few weeks. But it

is working. I am losing weight, have energy, sleep less, depression is

gone, many other things are improving. I am feeling less disabled

these days! I am looking into going back to work after being disabled

for 10 years. So yes, I can say it has made a huge difference. It

really has helped me tolerate chelation better too. In the past two

months I have begun to work again at my home sales business and am

looking into going back to work outside the house.

I think treating these two things has made the biggest difference for

me. And it did not take long to see results.

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " seashell_555 "

wrote:

>

>

> I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to

> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.

>

> I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement

once

> these are treated.

>

> Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better

> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live

> a " normal " life while chelating?

>

> Thanks,

> Val

>

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