Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I am currently looking into disability sad to say. I am hoping to start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well. I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement once these are treated. Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live a " normal " life while chelating? Thanks, Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , lanellici wrote: I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid almost 3 years ago, -------Nell, was this with Armour or synthetics? How much were you/are you taking? And do you have Hashi's or just hypo? Are you being treated by a doctor or self-treating?-------Jackie T but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol). ------So you've only been on Cortef for a month? How much are you taking? Did you try any other adrenal support before this? Self-treating or doctor? That is really something about feeling the Armour kicking in, and it must be wonderful to feel all the way normal! Please keep us updated on how you're doing.------Jackie T. After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just another example of how things are changing. -------Do you think this is from the Armour kicking in or from the Cortef? Probably hard to tell, but this sounds very encouraging.--------Jackie T. Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems. --------What and how much are you chelating with?-------Jackie T> Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing that Andy's advice was exactly right. -------I think we all need to keep hearing things like this. Most people post about their problems, and people forget to post enough about the good things, and it's reassuring to hear people say " Andy was right " . I also haven't gotten my adrenals and thyroid properly treated yet, so keep encouraging us! I really appreciate posts like this Nell, thanks!-------Jackie T> Nell ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 7New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , lanellici wrote: I'm not sure, but I can tell you that I was not in great shape starting about 6 years ago, started getting treatment for hypothyroid almost 3 years ago, -------Nell, was this with Armour or synthetics? How much were you/are you taking? And do you have Hashi's or just hypo? Are you being treated by a doctor or self-treating?-------Jackie T but wasn't able to work or do much of anything. I was chelating slowly and messing around with supps and having some decent periods but mostly in a bad place. Once I got Cortef, I felt nearly normal again. I'm finding that after being on it for about a month, I can feel the Armour really kicking in, and that's making me feel all the way normal ( I can't even believe I'm typing that, lol). ------So you've only been on Cortef for a month? How much are you taking? Did you try any other adrenal support before this? Self-treating or doctor? That is really something about feeling the Armour kicking in, and it must be wonderful to feel all the way normal! Please keep us updated on how you're doing.------Jackie T. After my yoga class today I stayed around afterwards, talking and laughing with my teacher and classmates. Before, for years now, I just walked away. Not really because of social anxiety, but because I just didn't have any interest. I wanted to get back to my cocoon. Just another example of how things are changing. -------Do you think this is from the Armour kicking in or from the Cortef? Probably hard to tell, but this sounds very encouraging.--------Jackie T. Anyway, if you can get your adrenals and thyroid treated properly, and if you are not terribly poisoned, you can feel pretty normal quickly -- within a month, I'd say. I guess the 40-some rounds have made a difference too, but I couldn't feel it because of the hormone problems. --------What and how much are you chelating with?-------Jackie T> Andy says Treat the Adrenals! and after all this time I keep seeing that Andy's advice was exactly right. -------I think we all need to keep hearing things like this. Most people post about their problems, and people forget to post enough about the good things, and it's reassuring to hear people say " Andy was right " . I also haven't gotten my adrenals and thyroid properly treated yet, so keep encouraging us! I really appreciate posts like this Nell, thanks!-------Jackie T> Nell ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 7New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , lanellici wrote:, Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them. -----------I agree with Nell that if you can tolerate some rounds, I would just get them under your belt. Waiting a little while to strengthen thyroid and adrenals is probably ok, but I wouldn't wait forever for the yeast, because you'll probably never get rid of the yeast until you get rid of the mercury. They talk about this on the A-M group, that yeast is more of an issue in early rounds, and then once they push through so many rounds, that the yeast becomes less of an issue and more manageable. They just treat the yeast along with chelation. And Andy says to chelate, chelate, chelate, and then chelate some more!---------Jackie t. (But of course, only you can decide if rounds are bearable/manageable.) Nell ___ Messages in this topic (6) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 7New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , seashell_555 wrote: Thanks so much for posting that, Nell. I felt almost normal on adderall (a stimulant) but my intuition said it was not good for me. So I stopped. Now I'm glad I did. I think it was giving my adrenals a major boost but also frying them too. Hopefully, the cortef will act the same way without damaging my adrenals. -------Val, reading the book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " by Jefferies, has really eased my mind about taking a physiological dose of cortisol. As long as you stay at 20mg a day or less, there shouldn't be any problem. Some people need a little more, and maybe just for awhile, but in his book many have used 20mg a day for extended periods with no ill effects. And I also found Nell's post very encouraging.---Jackie On another note, 2 teachers I work with are suffering and are looking into the mercury connection. Both want to go to Tijuana and get the fillings removed. Word is spreading! -------That is very encouraging Val, I hope they do it! And how lucky for them to have you as a resource! And this is good for you, in the sense that you wouldn't no longer be alone, and would have some people that actually understand, especially at work. Most people just don't understand what we go through with this.---------Jackie T Val Recent Activity a.. 9New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 In frequent-dose-chelation , seashell_555 wrote: Thanks so much for posting that, Nell. I felt almost normal on adderall (a stimulant) but my intuition said it was not good for me. So I stopped. Now I'm glad I did. I think it was giving my adrenals a major boost but also frying them too. Hopefully, the cortef will act the same way without damaging my adrenals. -------Val, reading the book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " by Jefferies, has really eased my mind about taking a physiological dose of cortisol. As long as you stay at 20mg a day or less, there shouldn't be any problem. Some people need a little more, and maybe just for awhile, but in his book many have used 20mg a day for extended periods with no ill effects. And I also found Nell's post very encouraging.---Jackie On another note, 2 teachers I work with are suffering and are looking into the mercury connection. Both want to go to Tijuana and get the fillings removed. Word is spreading! -------That is very encouraging Val, I hope they do it! And how lucky for them to have you as a resource! And this is good for you, in the sense that you wouldn't no longer be alone, and would have some people that actually understand, especially at work. Most people just don't understand what we go through with this.---------Jackie T Val Recent Activity a.. 9New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Thanks for the advice. I do feel like I'm going round in circles with thyroid / mercury / yeast. I just spent a week on Threelac with horrible die-off, and released more mercury than my body could handle, so I'm back at the mercury again. I'll give my body a few days to get over it and then get back on the DMSA... Nicola > Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and > strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage > some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them. > > -----------I agree with Nell that if you can tolerate some rounds, I would just get them under your belt. Waiting a little while to strengthen thyroid and adrenals is probably ok, but I wouldn't wait forever for the yeast, because you'll probably never get rid of the yeast until you get rid of the mercury. They talk about this on the A-M group, that yeast is more of an issue in early rounds, and then once they push through so many rounds, that the yeast becomes less of an issue and more manageable. They just treat the yeast along with chelation. And Andy says to chelate, chelate, chelate, and then chelate some more!---------Jackie t. > > (But of course, only you can decide if rounds are bearable/manageable.) > > > Nell > > ___ > > Messages in this topic (6) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Members > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity > a.. 7New Members > b.. 1New Links > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Thanks for the advice. I do feel like I'm going round in circles with thyroid / mercury / yeast. I just spent a week on Threelac with horrible die-off, and released more mercury than my body could handle, so I'm back at the mercury again. I'll give my body a few days to get over it and then get back on the DMSA... Nicola > Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and > strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage > some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them. > > -----------I agree with Nell that if you can tolerate some rounds, I would just get them under your belt. Waiting a little while to strengthen thyroid and adrenals is probably ok, but I wouldn't wait forever for the yeast, because you'll probably never get rid of the yeast until you get rid of the mercury. They talk about this on the A-M group, that yeast is more of an issue in early rounds, and then once they push through so many rounds, that the yeast becomes less of an issue and more manageable. They just treat the yeast along with chelation. And Andy says to chelate, chelate, chelate, and then chelate some more!---------Jackie t. > > (But of course, only you can decide if rounds are bearable/manageable.) > > > Nell > > ___ > > Messages in this topic (6) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Members > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity > a.. 7New Members > b.. 1New Links > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Thanks for the advice. I do feel like I'm going round in circles with thyroid / mercury / yeast. I just spent a week on Threelac with horrible die-off, and released more mercury than my body could handle, so I'm back at the mercury again. I'll give my body a few days to get over it and then get back on the DMSA... Nicola > Consider, though, that you might not be able to get rid of yeast and > strengthen the adrenals until you get rid of the Hg. If you can manage > some rounds, I'd think about starting to plod through them. > > -----------I agree with Nell that if you can tolerate some rounds, I would just get them under your belt. Waiting a little while to strengthen thyroid and adrenals is probably ok, but I wouldn't wait forever for the yeast, because you'll probably never get rid of the yeast until you get rid of the mercury. They talk about this on the A-M group, that yeast is more of an issue in early rounds, and then once they push through so many rounds, that the yeast becomes less of an issue and more manageable. They just treat the yeast along with chelation. And Andy says to chelate, chelate, chelate, and then chelate some more!---------Jackie t. > > (But of course, only you can decide if rounds are bearable/manageable.) > > > Nell > > ___ > > Messages in this topic (6) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Members > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity > a.. 7New Members > b.. 1New Links > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Activated Charcoal is excellent for die off. Many people do better to take this while they use anti-fungal meds. Dean > Thanks for the advice. I do feel like I'm going round in circles > with thyroid / mercury / yeast. I just spent a week on Threelac with > horrible die-off, and released more mercury than my body could > handle, so I'm back at the mercury again. I'll give my body a few > days to get over it and then get back on the DMSA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Activated Charcoal is excellent for die off. Many people do better to take this while they use anti-fungal meds. Dean > Thanks for the advice. I do feel like I'm going round in circles > with thyroid / mercury / yeast. I just spent a week on Threelac with > horrible die-off, and released more mercury than my body could > handle, so I'm back at the mercury again. I'll give my body a few > days to get over it and then get back on the DMSA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Activated Charcoal is excellent for die off. Many people do better to take this while they use anti-fungal meds. Dean > Thanks for the advice. I do feel like I'm going round in circles > with thyroid / mercury / yeast. I just spent a week on Threelac with > horrible die-off, and released more mercury than my body could > handle, so I'm back at the mercury again. I'll give my body a few > days to get over it and then get back on the DMSA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 > -------Nell, was this with Armour or synthetics? How much were you/are you taking? And do you have Hashi's or just hypo? Are you being treated by a doctor or self-treating?-------Jackie T Jackie, I started out with an endo and synthetics. I knew (from online advice, of course) that synthetics don't work for many people but the endo was immoveable and I figured I'd give it a try. It did nothing, even after three dosage increases, at which point the endo told me I had mental problems (even though my TSH was still around 10) and I fired him. I found a DO who prescribed Armour but have had a terrible time getting the dosage right. Too low, then too high, then too low. Only recently did I finally understand that adrenal fatigue messes with thyroid hormone uptake. At this point I'm on 150 mg of Armour, 5 mg of Cortef, and about 5 tablets of Isocort (I'm going to ask the DO to increase the Cortef prescription, but in the meantime using Isocort). The NaturalThyroidHormone yahoogroup is very helpful with figuring out problems with thyroid and interpreting tests, etc. Yes, I have Hashi's. I'm really curious to see what happens when I'm fully chelated -- will the immune system calm down? Will my need for Armour drop way down or go away? Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 > -------Nell, was this with Armour or synthetics? How much were you/are you taking? And do you have Hashi's or just hypo? Are you being treated by a doctor or self-treating?-------Jackie T Jackie, I started out with an endo and synthetics. I knew (from online advice, of course) that synthetics don't work for many people but the endo was immoveable and I figured I'd give it a try. It did nothing, even after three dosage increases, at which point the endo told me I had mental problems (even though my TSH was still around 10) and I fired him. I found a DO who prescribed Armour but have had a terrible time getting the dosage right. Too low, then too high, then too low. Only recently did I finally understand that adrenal fatigue messes with thyroid hormone uptake. At this point I'm on 150 mg of Armour, 5 mg of Cortef, and about 5 tablets of Isocort (I'm going to ask the DO to increase the Cortef prescription, but in the meantime using Isocort). The NaturalThyroidHormone yahoogroup is very helpful with figuring out problems with thyroid and interpreting tests, etc. Yes, I have Hashi's. I'm really curious to see what happens when I'm fully chelated -- will the immune system calm down? Will my need for Armour drop way down or go away? Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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