Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. Has anyone had symptoms like this? I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if it is going to cause worsening. I have been using 8 mg ALA for a year. I have tried to increase and my symptoms get worse even at 12.5. The difference between 8 and 12.5 mg is big. It takes me a few rounds back at the 8 mg dose to get back to " normal " . > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. I have not used TMG. I don't kow the reasoning behind your theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but if you think it might help you can always try it. I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary situations). Probably different in different people, though. How far out of range are her hair ratios? > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? -- > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if it is going to cause worsening. I have been using 8 mg ALA for a year. I have tried to increase and my symptoms get worse even at 12.5. The difference between 8 and 12.5 mg is big. It takes me a few rounds back at the 8 mg dose to get back to " normal " . > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. I have not used TMG. I don't kow the reasoning behind your theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but if you think it might help you can always try it. I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary situations). Probably different in different people, though. How far out of range are her hair ratios? > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? -- > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if it is going to cause worsening. I have been using 8 mg ALA for a year. I have tried to increase and my symptoms get worse even at 12.5. The difference between 8 and 12.5 mg is big. It takes me a few rounds back at the 8 mg dose to get back to " normal " . > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. I have not used TMG. I don't kow the reasoning behind your theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but if you think it might help you can always try it. I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary situations). Probably different in different people, though. How far out of range are her hair ratios? > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? -- > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. TK--- imo several rounds is not enough to be at the above dosages already. I would suggest cutting back to just dmsa at a lower level. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. > > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. TK--- imo several rounds is not enough to be at the above dosages already. I would suggest cutting back to just dmsa at a lower level. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. > > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. TK--- imo several rounds is not enough to be at the above dosages already. I would suggest cutting back to just dmsa at a lower level. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. > > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her > bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > > Thanks, Dean DA: from what i'm understanding, lead doesnt settle into bones, right? I think it seems to stay in the bloodstream and cause its havoc that way. I experienced weakness, shaky legs when I didnt eat well at nite [esp at first, so much lead kept my appetite low], but I could get down a half-serving of whey protein mixed with water -or- some cottage cheese with flax oil [ used some Old Bay seasoning to spice it up - lol] {from Whole Foods: the 100% whey with Caramel Swirl flavor, not bad at all!] That helped my low blood sugar a lot. I still do this when I've been doing a bunch that day and/or didnt get my 5-6 mini-meals in properly for me. Maybe she should cut back on her chelation agent amounts too. I know she doesnt want to, but I've found its best to keep at a lower dose for longer and still maintain a quality of life that you can handle. Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her > bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > > Thanks, Dean DA: from what i'm understanding, lead doesnt settle into bones, right? I think it seems to stay in the bloodstream and cause its havoc that way. I experienced weakness, shaky legs when I didnt eat well at nite [esp at first, so much lead kept my appetite low], but I could get down a half-serving of whey protein mixed with water -or- some cottage cheese with flax oil [ used some Old Bay seasoning to spice it up - lol] {from Whole Foods: the 100% whey with Caramel Swirl flavor, not bad at all!] That helped my low blood sugar a lot. I still do this when I've been doing a bunch that day and/or didnt get my 5-6 mini-meals in properly for me. Maybe she should cut back on her chelation agent amounts too. I know she doesnt want to, but I've found its best to keep at a lower dose for longer and still maintain a quality of life that you can handle. Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her > bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > > Thanks, Dean DA: from what i'm understanding, lead doesnt settle into bones, right? I think it seems to stay in the bloodstream and cause its havoc that way. I experienced weakness, shaky legs when I didnt eat well at nite [esp at first, so much lead kept my appetite low], but I could get down a half-serving of whey protein mixed with water -or- some cottage cheese with flax oil [ used some Old Bay seasoning to spice it up - lol] {from Whole Foods: the 100% whey with Caramel Swirl flavor, not bad at all!] That helped my low blood sugar a lot. I still do this when I've been doing a bunch that day and/or didnt get my 5-6 mini-meals in properly for me. Maybe she should cut back on her chelation agent amounts too. I know she doesnt want to, but I've found its best to keep at a lower dose for longer and still maintain a quality of life that you can handle. Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if it is going to cause worsening. Dean: Good idea. She was doing well on the DMSA alone. I have not used TMG. I don't know the reasoning behind your theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but if you think it might help you can always try it. Dean: I don't have a reason on which to base my theory. She is on cortisol and still experiencing these symptoms so I though she needed to address another hormone considering her hair test. I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary situations). Probably different in different people, though. Dean: She has that too. How far out of range are her hair ratios? She is Hairtest 5. Na/Mg is 0.21 (so adrenaline production is low) Thyroid ratio K/Ca is WAY out 0.0009 ! > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? Well the cortisol saliva test in this country are at a cost beyond her reach. How else could she tell? Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > > > If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the > ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the > previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if > it is going to cause worsening. > Dean: Good idea. She was doing well on the DMSA alone. Don't be too surprised if DMSA alone causes more symptoms than in the past. When I over-do the ALA, I find I have more symptoms than before on DMSA alone or a reduced dose of ALA. But this resolves after a round or two. > I have not used TMG. I don't know the reasoning behind your > theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but > if you think it might help you can always try it. > Dean: I don't have a reason on which to base my theory. She is on cortisol and still experiencing these symptoms so I though she needed to address another hormone considering her hair test. I looked back at the hair test and history, etc. She is not doing anything for the thyroid, right? I wonder if you can find forskolin? It's an ayurvedic herb that might improve overall hormonal effect. Andy talks about it in AI (p. 152). I think you'd want to research this a bit more, but might be an option. Also ashwagandha can be helpful for both adrenals and thyroid. > I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this > seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a > fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary > situations). Probably different in different people, though. > Dean: She has that too. > > How far out of range are her hair ratios? > She is Hairtest 5. Na/Mg is 0.21 (so adrenaline production is low) > Thyroid ratio K/Ca is WAY out 0.0009 ! Yep, she really needs more thyroid hormone. One of the herbs I mentioned above might be helpful. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with > low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? > > Well the cortisol saliva test in this country are at a cost beyond her reach. How else could she tell? Not sure if the saliva test is an effective way to measure blood sugar. Andy recommends doing hemoglobin A1C, which tells you something about blood sugar level over the past 2-3 months. Her hair ratio of Ca/Mg was at the extreme end of the range suggesting blood sugar problems. If this is the source of the weak, shaky legs in the morning, a protein snack at bedtime, or even in the middle of the night, might be helpful if she's not going to try the hormonal approach. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > > > If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the > ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the > previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if > it is going to cause worsening. > Dean: Good idea. She was doing well on the DMSA alone. Don't be too surprised if DMSA alone causes more symptoms than in the past. When I over-do the ALA, I find I have more symptoms than before on DMSA alone or a reduced dose of ALA. But this resolves after a round or two. > I have not used TMG. I don't know the reasoning behind your > theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but > if you think it might help you can always try it. > Dean: I don't have a reason on which to base my theory. She is on cortisol and still experiencing these symptoms so I though she needed to address another hormone considering her hair test. I looked back at the hair test and history, etc. She is not doing anything for the thyroid, right? I wonder if you can find forskolin? It's an ayurvedic herb that might improve overall hormonal effect. Andy talks about it in AI (p. 152). I think you'd want to research this a bit more, but might be an option. Also ashwagandha can be helpful for both adrenals and thyroid. > I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this > seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a > fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary > situations). Probably different in different people, though. > Dean: She has that too. > > How far out of range are her hair ratios? > She is Hairtest 5. Na/Mg is 0.21 (so adrenaline production is low) > Thyroid ratio K/Ca is WAY out 0.0009 ! Yep, she really needs more thyroid hormone. One of the herbs I mentioned above might be helpful. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with > low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? > > Well the cortisol saliva test in this country are at a cost beyond her reach. How else could she tell? Not sure if the saliva test is an effective way to measure blood sugar. Andy recommends doing hemoglobin A1C, which tells you something about blood sugar level over the past 2-3 months. Her hair ratio of Ca/Mg was at the extreme end of the range suggesting blood sugar problems. If this is the source of the weak, shaky legs in the morning, a protein snack at bedtime, or even in the middle of the night, might be helpful if she's not going to try the hormonal approach. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > > > If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the > ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the > previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if > it is going to cause worsening. > Dean: Good idea. She was doing well on the DMSA alone. Don't be too surprised if DMSA alone causes more symptoms than in the past. When I over-do the ALA, I find I have more symptoms than before on DMSA alone or a reduced dose of ALA. But this resolves after a round or two. > I have not used TMG. I don't know the reasoning behind your > theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but > if you think it might help you can always try it. > Dean: I don't have a reason on which to base my theory. She is on cortisol and still experiencing these symptoms so I though she needed to address another hormone considering her hair test. I looked back at the hair test and history, etc. She is not doing anything for the thyroid, right? I wonder if you can find forskolin? It's an ayurvedic herb that might improve overall hormonal effect. Andy talks about it in AI (p. 152). I think you'd want to research this a bit more, but might be an option. Also ashwagandha can be helpful for both adrenals and thyroid. > I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this > seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a > fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary > situations). Probably different in different people, though. > Dean: She has that too. > > How far out of range are her hair ratios? > She is Hairtest 5. Na/Mg is 0.21 (so adrenaline production is low) > Thyroid ratio K/Ca is WAY out 0.0009 ! Yep, she really needs more thyroid hormone. One of the herbs I mentioned above might be helpful. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with > low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? > > Well the cortisol saliva test in this country are at a cost beyond her reach. How else could she tell? Not sure if the saliva test is an effective way to measure blood sugar. Andy recommends doing hemoglobin A1C, which tells you something about blood sugar level over the past 2-3 months. Her hair ratio of Ca/Mg was at the extreme end of the range suggesting blood sugar problems. If this is the source of the weak, shaky legs in the morning, a protein snack at bedtime, or even in the middle of the night, might be helpful if she's not going to try the hormonal approach. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. I agree with others that it would be best to drop back to a lower dose. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. > Do a google search for symptoms of electrolyte imbalance and compare to her symptoms. Often the symptoms for high and low are similiar, so a blood test is a good idea if there are concerns. If salt tastes good then Na could be low. Be extremely careful with potassium because it is quite dangerous to go high or low and people often don't recognize the symptoms. It would be best to test blood levels. I often go low in sodium. The signals I look for now are - no thirst, confusion, fatigue, muscle weakness. If I take in some salt suddenly I feel better. I don't understand why most adrenally insufficient people are expected to go low in Na and high in K, but I can go either high or low in potassium. I have a requisition to test electrolytes any time I am really in poor shape. Low Na - confusion, drowsiness, nausea, headache, **muscle weakness**, seizures. High Na - confusion, paralysis, coma, seizures. Low K - fatigue, confusion, **muscle weakness**, cramps, paralysis, arrhythmias, palpitations, constipation, nausea or vomiting High K - abnormal heart rhythms, Symptoms are nonspecific and predominantly are related to muscular or cardiac function. The most common complaints are **weakness and fatigue**. Occasionally, a patient may complain of frank muscle paralysis or shortness of breath. Patients also may complain of palpitations or chest pain. http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1082.htm http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic273.htm http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic1130.htm http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_ha/sec3/ch18/ch18d.html > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > Can anybody help with advice for a friend of mine. > > She is having a lot of difficulty standing in the morning. Very weak and shaky legs. > Difficulty to get moving and anxiety about all of this. > She is on cortisol (4 months) and T3 (3 months) and these have helped a lot with other symptoms. > She has done several rounds and is up to 50mg DMSA and 25mg ALA. I agree with others that it would be best to drop back to a lower dose. > She is taking all of the standard recommended supplements by Andy. > > These new symptoms have worsened more or less the time of ALA use, but have been around some time before then. > No doctor is available to support her with chelation and adrenals. > Do a google search for symptoms of electrolyte imbalance and compare to her symptoms. Often the symptoms for high and low are similiar, so a blood test is a good idea if there are concerns. If salt tastes good then Na could be low. Be extremely careful with potassium because it is quite dangerous to go high or low and people often don't recognize the symptoms. It would be best to test blood levels. I often go low in sodium. The signals I look for now are - no thirst, confusion, fatigue, muscle weakness. If I take in some salt suddenly I feel better. I don't understand why most adrenally insufficient people are expected to go low in Na and high in K, but I can go either high or low in potassium. I have a requisition to test electrolytes any time I am really in poor shape. Low Na - confusion, drowsiness, nausea, headache, **muscle weakness**, seizures. High Na - confusion, paralysis, coma, seizures. Low K - fatigue, confusion, **muscle weakness**, cramps, paralysis, arrhythmias, palpitations, constipation, nausea or vomiting High K - abnormal heart rhythms, Symptoms are nonspecific and predominantly are related to muscular or cardiac function. The most common complaints are **weakness and fatigue**. Occasionally, a patient may complain of frank muscle paralysis or shortness of breath. Patients also may complain of palpitations or chest pain. http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1082.htm http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic273.htm http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic1130.htm http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_ha/sec3/ch18/ch18d.html > I had wondered if she was lacking in adrenaline formation? Her hair test shows low cortisol, low thyroid and low adrenaline. I had wondered if TMG would help her methylation pathways to get some more adrenaline. > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > I had also wondered if she had pulled some lead about of her bones/organs and this is worsening the issue. > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Wow...seems the symptoms for too high versus too low in both Na and K are similar....how hard it could be to tell..... ~Inga > Low Na - confusion, drowsiness, nausea, headache, **muscle weakness**, > seizures. > > High Na - confusion, paralysis, coma, seizures. > > Low K - fatigue, confusion, **muscle weakness**, cramps, paralysis, > arrhythmias, palpitations, constipation, nausea or vomiting > > High K - abnormal heart rhythms, Symptoms are nonspecific and > predominantly are related to muscular or cardiac function. The most > common complaints are **weakness and fatigue**. Occasionally, a > patient may complain of frank muscle paralysis or shortness of breath. > Patients also may complain of palpitations or chest pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hi Dean, I agree with what others have said. I have experienced exactly the same symptoms and I think she is probably just taking too much ALA which will be very hard on her adrenals triggering the low cortisol symptoms. I recently weaned off cortef and had very similar symptoms. Then when they abated I did some chelation which brought these type of symptoms on again. If she can't afford a saliva test the only way of telling is by symptoms. Other typical symptoms I would get are nausea, an internal (in the abdominal region) feeling of weakness/shakiness and just generally feeling like you cannot really cope with any physical or emotional stress. I also agree that extra salt might help her. I hope that helps, Anne > > > > If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the > ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the > previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if > it is going to cause worsening. > Dean: Good idea. She was doing well on the DMSA alone. > > I have not used TMG. I don't know the reasoning behind your > theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but > if you think it might help you can always try it. > Dean: I don't have a reason on which to base my theory. She is on cortisol and still experiencing these symptoms so I though she needed to address another hormone considering her hair test. > > I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this > seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a > fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary > situations). Probably different in different people, though. > Dean: She has that too. > > How far out of range are her hair ratios? > She is Hairtest 5. Na/Mg is 0.21 (so adrenaline production is low) > Thyroid ratio K/Ca is WAY out 0.0009 ! > > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with > low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? > > Well the cortisol saliva test in this country are at a cost beyond her reach. How else could she tell? > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hi Dean, I agree with what others have said. I have experienced exactly the same symptoms and I think she is probably just taking too much ALA which will be very hard on her adrenals triggering the low cortisol symptoms. I recently weaned off cortef and had very similar symptoms. Then when they abated I did some chelation which brought these type of symptoms on again. If she can't afford a saliva test the only way of telling is by symptoms. Other typical symptoms I would get are nausea, an internal (in the abdominal region) feeling of weakness/shakiness and just generally feeling like you cannot really cope with any physical or emotional stress. I also agree that extra salt might help her. I hope that helps, Anne > > > > If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the > ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the > previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if > it is going to cause worsening. > Dean: Good idea. She was doing well on the DMSA alone. > > I have not used TMG. I don't know the reasoning behind your > theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but > if you think it might help you can always try it. > Dean: I don't have a reason on which to base my theory. She is on cortisol and still experiencing these symptoms so I though she needed to address another hormone considering her hair test. > > I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this > seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a > fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary > situations). Probably different in different people, though. > Dean: She has that too. > > How far out of range are her hair ratios? > She is Hairtest 5. Na/Mg is 0.21 (so adrenaline production is low) > Thyroid ratio K/Ca is WAY out 0.0009 ! > > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with > low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? > > Well the cortisol saliva test in this country are at a cost beyond her reach. How else could she tell? > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hi Dean, I agree with what others have said. I have experienced exactly the same symptoms and I think she is probably just taking too much ALA which will be very hard on her adrenals triggering the low cortisol symptoms. I recently weaned off cortef and had very similar symptoms. Then when they abated I did some chelation which brought these type of symptoms on again. If she can't afford a saliva test the only way of telling is by symptoms. Other typical symptoms I would get are nausea, an internal (in the abdominal region) feeling of weakness/shakiness and just generally feeling like you cannot really cope with any physical or emotional stress. I also agree that extra salt might help her. I hope that helps, Anne > > > > If the symptoms worsened since starting ALA, I suggest dropping the > ALA for a few rounds and see if that brings things back to the > previous level of symptoms. There is no sense in rushing things if > it is going to cause worsening. > Dean: Good idea. She was doing well on the DMSA alone. > > I have not used TMG. I don't know the reasoning behind your > theory that adrenaline is involved in the leg weakness, but > if you think it might help you can always try it. > Dean: I don't have a reason on which to base my theory. She is on cortisol and still experiencing these symptoms so I though she needed to address another hormone considering her hair test. > > I had low adrenaline, too, according to hair test - for me this > seemed to present as having fear inside, but unable to react in a > fearful way (no startle reflex, no " rush of adrenaline " in scary > situations). Probably different in different people, though. > Dean: She has that too. > > How far out of range are her hair ratios? > She is Hairtest 5. Na/Mg is 0.21 (so adrenaline production is low) > Thyroid ratio K/Ca is WAY out 0.0009 ! > > > But actually we are at a loss and she is quite worried. > > Has anyone had symptoms like this? > > The only time I've noticed shakiness and weak legs is with > low blood sugar. How is her blood sugar in the morning? > > Well the cortisol saliva test in this country are at a cost beyond her reach. How else could she tell? > Thanks, > Dean > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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