Armour aggravating Hashi's????

[Guest guest]

Donna.. it's not uncommon to feel tired a short time after starting on Armour, or any thyroid hormone replacement... it has to do with how the thyroid and pituitary regulate things.

Depending on your starting dose....

When you start taking the hormone the hypothalamus and the pituitary will adjust the TSH levels in response to that hormone, that can cause production from the existing thyroid tissue to be reduced. There is a range in level of hormone that will cause the gland production to decrease in response to the added hormone resulting in less available hormone in the system, it's a matter of working the replacement dose up to the point with the total amount available begins to increase.

I don't know if I'm explaining that well.

Imagine riding a bike... you're peddling along on a level road and all is well, then you start going up a slight incline and peddling becomes more work to maintain the same speed. After a while you're getting tired and your peddling slows. Then you reach the top of the hill and go over the top and you're going down hill and it's a breeze, no more peddling and you're clipping along just fine. Then the road levels off again and you have to go back to peddling. But after working so hard to get up the hill, and how great it was to cruise down the hill, peddling again seems to be too hard.

We struggle through life, low on hormone, and we're more or less used to it.. then we get more hormone and life is good again, things seem better... but when it all levels out again it's back to seeming hard, not because it's as bad as before.. but because it's not as good as it just was.....

Does that make sense?

I'm still having a problem with wrapping my head around T3 only treatment. I know for those that convert T4 to reverse T3 that it's the only way that they can go...but for every one else... T3 only supplementation leaves you totally dependant on taking the T3. With no T4 storage your body as no reserves to draw from when that direct T3 is used up.

Topper ()

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:14:18 +1000 "Donna Marchiori" writes:

snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is?Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as basic energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to feed the endocrine system.Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all know, am consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between visits, am researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across one (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo issues including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her preference is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it shouldn't be necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a low dose.Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's early days, I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm more tired than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual litany of Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward spiral! Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any better will probably revert to thyroxine.Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Where did you read this? I'd be interested to go and look at where you read

or heard it and what the reasoning is behind this. Who said it?

Armour aggravating Hashi's????

> Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's

> pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a

> hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?

>

> Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Where did you read this? I'd be interested to go and look at where you read

or heard it and what the reasoning is behind this. Who said it?

Armour aggravating Hashi's????

> Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's

> pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a

> hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?

>

> Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

>I'm still having a problem with wrapping my head around T3 only treatment. I know for those that convert T4 to reverse T3 that it's the only way that they can go...but for every one else... T3 only supplementation leaves you totally dependant on taking the T3. With no T4 storage your body as no reserves to draw from when that direct T3 is used up.

Topper ()

I'm having the same thoughts here. Seems like a person would have to have one continuous dosing schedule while on T3. If you couldn't take it exactly on time, what would happen to some body systems that need it every minute of every day?

[Guest guest]

>I'm still having a problem with wrapping my head around T3 only treatment. I know for those that convert T4 to reverse T3 that it's the only way that they can go...but for every one else... T3 only supplementation leaves you totally dependant on taking the T3. With no T4 storage your body as no reserves to draw from when that direct T3 is used up.

Topper ()

I'm having the same thoughts here. Seems like a person would have to have one continuous dosing schedule while on T3. If you couldn't take it exactly on time, what would happen to some body systems that need it every minute of every day?

[Guest guest]

>I'm still having a problem with wrapping my head around T3 only treatment. I know for those that convert T4 to reverse T3 that it's the only way that they can go...but for every one else... T3 only supplementation leaves you totally dependant on taking the T3. With no T4 storage your body as no reserves to draw from when that direct T3 is used up.

Topper ()

I'm having the same thoughts here. Seems like a person would have to have one continuous dosing schedule while on T3. If you couldn't take it exactly on time, what would happen to some body systems that need it every minute of every day?

[Guest guest]

Hi Deana,

In my mind, removing the Thryoid gland itself should be the absolute

last step a person and a doctor should do. After all the Thyroid is the

Master gland and sends out a ton of hormones that the body needs...I

really doubt that man has discovered everything that this organ does

and assists in the doing somewheres in the body.

Gossimer

Hashimoto 20+ year survivor

> wouldn't it be better then to just get the thyroid removed instead of

> going up and down? this has crossed my mind to ask my

endocrinologist.

> Any feedback

>

> Deana

>

> I would say not, in case once you have gone down that line there is no

> improvement & no return. You never know, your thyroid might recover as

> things do sometimes...

> As they say, when it's gone, it's gone..

> I am no expert however, this is just my hunch

> xx

>

> Dianne

[Guest guest]

Hi Deana,

In my mind, removing the Thryoid gland itself should be the absolute

last step a person and a doctor should do. After all the Thyroid is the

Master gland and sends out a ton of hormones that the body needs...I

really doubt that man has discovered everything that this organ does

and assists in the doing somewheres in the body.

Gossimer

Hashimoto 20+ year survivor

> wouldn't it be better then to just get the thyroid removed instead of

> going up and down? this has crossed my mind to ask my

endocrinologist.

> Any feedback

>

> Deana

>

> I would say not, in case once you have gone down that line there is no

> improvement & no return. You never know, your thyroid might recover as

> things do sometimes...

> As they say, when it's gone, it's gone..

> I am no expert however, this is just my hunch

> xx

>

> Dianne

[Guest guest]

Hi Deana,

In my mind, removing the Thryoid gland itself should be the absolute

last step a person and a doctor should do. After all the Thyroid is the

Master gland and sends out a ton of hormones that the body needs...I

really doubt that man has discovered everything that this organ does

and assists in the doing somewheres in the body.

Gossimer

Hashimoto 20+ year survivor

> wouldn't it be better then to just get the thyroid removed instead of

> going up and down? this has crossed my mind to ask my

endocrinologist.

> Any feedback

>

> Deana

>

> I would say not, in case once you have gone down that line there is no

> improvement & no return. You never know, your thyroid might recover as

> things do sometimes...

> As they say, when it's gone, it's gone..

> I am no expert however, this is just my hunch

> xx

>

> Dianne