Armour aggravating Hashi's????

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because

it's

> pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food,

but as a

> hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?

>

> Donna in Oz.

I really don't think it is a pig/cow foriegn substance issue..most

people with Hashi's go back and forth with hyper/hypo symptoms and do

not have conversion problems..if you are converting or have excelled

conversion of T4 to T3 then adding T3 in a sense is throwing another

log on the fire..

Nothing against T3 replacement..it has its time and place..for

someone who has had RAI, thyroidectomy, or who has very little

thyroid function left or those with conversion issues T3 works

wonders and replaces what the body can no longer naturally

produce..it maybe an option for you in the future depending on what

damage Hashi's does to the thyroid.

But for someone who still has most of their thyroid function left and

only needing a tweak and with no conversion issues T3 can be a

powerful and usually too powerful drug..

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because

it's

> pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food,

but as a

> hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?

>

> Donna in Oz.

I really don't think it is a pig/cow foriegn substance issue..most

people with Hashi's go back and forth with hyper/hypo symptoms and do

not have conversion problems..if you are converting or have excelled

conversion of T4 to T3 then adding T3 in a sense is throwing another

log on the fire..

Nothing against T3 replacement..it has its time and place..for

someone who has had RAI, thyroidectomy, or who has very little

thyroid function left or those with conversion issues T3 works

wonders and replaces what the body can no longer naturally

produce..it maybe an option for you in the future depending on what

damage Hashi's does to the thyroid.

But for someone who still has most of their thyroid function left and

only needing a tweak and with no conversion issues T3 can be a

powerful and usually too powerful drug..

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

I've not heard this Donna, but (and I might well be wrong here) I'd imagine it's no more likely to aggravate Hashimoto's because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is? I'll be interested to hear about this though? Where did it suggest it can cause a problem? Love Chris

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

I've not heard this Donna, but (and I might well be wrong here) I'd imagine it's no more likely to aggravate Hashimoto's because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is? I'll be interested to hear about this though? Where did it suggest it can cause a problem? Love Chris

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Oh this is interesting. Donna, do tell me where you heard about this. I'm on Armour but's it's been absolutely fantastic for me so maybe I'm just lucky? Love Chris

Yes I had this problem with trying Armour and had to go back to levothyroxine and am now doing fine again. At least that is my experience also with the armour and hashi disease.Deana

[Guest guest]

Oh this is interesting. Donna, do tell me where you heard about this. I'm on Armour but's it's been absolutely fantastic for me so maybe I'm just lucky? Love Chris

Yes I had this problem with trying Armour and had to go back to levothyroxine and am now doing fine again. At least that is my experience also with the armour and hashi disease.Deana

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Hope you are OK Donna?

Celia

xx

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

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Hope you are OK Donna?

Celia

xx

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Hope you are OK Donna?

Celia

xx

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

No, I haven't. Hashi's is aggravated by activity of the gland...not the hormones themselves... Pig thyroid is closer to human hormone than the synthetic stuff is.... Pigs are so close to humans their organs have been transplanted into humans.

Hashi's is auto immune, meaning it's attacking something that is native to the body that is suddenly being identified as a foreign substance....

There could be other antibodies that are being stimulated by pig hormone, but I've never heard of it.... That doesn't mean it can't be, I've not read everything, none of us has....

Why do you ask?

Topper ()

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:12:24 +1000 "Donna Marchiori" writes:

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

No, I haven't. Hashi's is aggravated by activity of the gland...not the hormones themselves... Pig thyroid is closer to human hormone than the synthetic stuff is.... Pigs are so close to humans their organs have been transplanted into humans.

Hashi's is auto immune, meaning it's attacking something that is native to the body that is suddenly being identified as a foreign substance....

There could be other antibodies that are being stimulated by pig hormone, but I've never heard of it.... That doesn't mean it can't be, I've not read everything, none of us has....

Why do you ask?

Topper ()

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:12:24 +1000 "Donna Marchiori" writes:

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

No, I haven't. Hashi's is aggravated by activity of the gland...not the hormones themselves... Pig thyroid is closer to human hormone than the synthetic stuff is.... Pigs are so close to humans their organs have been transplanted into humans.

Hashi's is auto immune, meaning it's attacking something that is native to the body that is suddenly being identified as a foreign substance....

There could be other antibodies that are being stimulated by pig hormone, but I've never heard of it.... That doesn't mean it can't be, I've not read everything, none of us has....

Why do you ask?

Topper ()

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:12:24 +1000 "Donna Marchiori" writes:

Has anyone heard that Armour can aggravate the Hashimoto's because it's pig/cow tissue and foreign to the body? I don't mean as a food, but as a hormone - causing the auto-immune reaction to go off stupid again?Donna in Oz.

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wrote:

> Oh this is interesting. Donna, do tell me where you

> heard about this. I'm on Armour but's it's been

> absolutely fantastic for me so maybe I'm just lucky?

> Love Chris

>

Actually this is more a problem with how one's body

reacts to different medications, it has nothing to do

with whether or not you are taking a natural or a

synthetic. For example, some people can take codeine

and have it work just fine for them. If my sister

takes it, She gets extremely hyper for a couple of

hours and then does a total crash, but while she's

hyper, the pain level hasn't changed at all. She's

just hyper and in pain instead of being in pain, but

normal otherwise. Her body doesn't deal well with

codeine. I have another friend who can take just a

quarter of a Tylenol #3 and be totally zonked out for

4 to 6 hours because she's so sensitive to it. I may

get a little hyper with it, but it works for me just

fine. We each metabolize our medications and

supplements differently, so we will each react

differently to them. Hopefully most of us will react

in the manner doc's consider " normal " . Sometimes it

just doesn't work that way. Find a child who is

hyperactive and feed him/her caffeine. It will

generally help him/her calm down. Again, it's how

their bodies process the caffeine that makes it react

that way. Many medications will have a complete

opposite reaction in children than in adults and

sometimes that will also happen with the elderly adult

just like a child. Their system just handles it

differently.

Kathy >^,,^<

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wrote:

> Oh this is interesting. Donna, do tell me where you

> heard about this. I'm on Armour but's it's been

> absolutely fantastic for me so maybe I'm just lucky?

> Love Chris

>

Actually this is more a problem with how one's body

reacts to different medications, it has nothing to do

with whether or not you are taking a natural or a

synthetic. For example, some people can take codeine

and have it work just fine for them. If my sister

takes it, She gets extremely hyper for a couple of

hours and then does a total crash, but while she's

hyper, the pain level hasn't changed at all. She's

just hyper and in pain instead of being in pain, but

normal otherwise. Her body doesn't deal well with

codeine. I have another friend who can take just a

quarter of a Tylenol #3 and be totally zonked out for

4 to 6 hours because she's so sensitive to it. I may

get a little hyper with it, but it works for me just

fine. We each metabolize our medications and

supplements differently, so we will each react

differently to them. Hopefully most of us will react

in the manner doc's consider " normal " . Sometimes it

just doesn't work that way. Find a child who is

hyperactive and feed him/her caffeine. It will

generally help him/her calm down. Again, it's how

their bodies process the caffeine that makes it react

that way. Many medications will have a complete

opposite reaction in children than in adults and

sometimes that will also happen with the elderly adult

just like a child. Their system just handles it

differently.

Kathy >^,,^<

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wrote:

> Oh this is interesting. Donna, do tell me where you

> heard about this. I'm on Armour but's it's been

> absolutely fantastic for me so maybe I'm just lucky?

> Love Chris

>

Actually this is more a problem with how one's body

reacts to different medications, it has nothing to do

with whether or not you are taking a natural or a

synthetic. For example, some people can take codeine

and have it work just fine for them. If my sister

takes it, She gets extremely hyper for a couple of

hours and then does a total crash, but while she's

hyper, the pain level hasn't changed at all. She's

just hyper and in pain instead of being in pain, but

normal otherwise. Her body doesn't deal well with

codeine. I have another friend who can take just a

quarter of a Tylenol #3 and be totally zonked out for

4 to 6 hours because she's so sensitive to it. I may

get a little hyper with it, but it works for me just

fine. We each metabolize our medications and

supplements differently, so we will each react

differently to them. Hopefully most of us will react

in the manner doc's consider " normal " . Sometimes it

just doesn't work that way. Find a child who is

hyperactive and feed him/her caffeine. It will

generally help him/her calm down. Again, it's how

their bodies process the caffeine that makes it react

that way. Many medications will have a complete

opposite reaction in children than in adults and

sometimes that will also happen with the elderly adult

just like a child. Their system just handles it

differently.

Kathy >^,,^<

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snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is?

Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as basic

energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to feed the

endocrine system.

Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all know, am

consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between visits, am

researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across one

(incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo issues

including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her preference

is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it shouldn't be

necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a low dose.

Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's early days,

I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm more tired

than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual litany of

Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward spiral!

Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any better will

probably revert to thyroxine.

Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Hi.

uhmmm, I'm not sure, however, from my studies and past 20+ years

living with Hashimoto's Disease there is no end unless the Thyroid

gland quits working all together...dies off in otherwords...which

hasn't happened yet for me.

Although the swings are slower and easier to adjust to, I still have

hyper and hypo episodes.

Hashimoto's disease is an autoimmune disease...Your own body has

decided to kill off the Thyroid gland, the Master Gland of all

Glands, and once the damage is done the Thyroid does not heal itself

because all attempts to heal itself are killed off by the antibodies

that attacked the gland the first time around.

I'd be curious to learn of what and on what this doctor bases her

treatment of Hashimoto's AutoImmune Disease. If it works, I'd be one

of the first to sign up for the treatment as I am so tired of being

tired.......... If this treatment works, and has a history behind

it, I want to learn more about it!!!

Gossimer

> snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast

pork is?

>

> Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as

basic

> energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to

feed the

> endocrine system.

>

> Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all

know, am

> consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between

visits, am

> researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across

one

> (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo

issues

> including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her

preference

> is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it

shouldn't be

> necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a

low dose.

>

> Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's

early days,

> I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm

more tired

> than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual

litany of

> Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward

spiral!

> Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any

better will

> probably revert to thyroxine.

>

> Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Hi.

uhmmm, I'm not sure, however, from my studies and past 20+ years

living with Hashimoto's Disease there is no end unless the Thyroid

gland quits working all together...dies off in otherwords...which

hasn't happened yet for me.

Although the swings are slower and easier to adjust to, I still have

hyper and hypo episodes.

Hashimoto's disease is an autoimmune disease...Your own body has

decided to kill off the Thyroid gland, the Master Gland of all

Glands, and once the damage is done the Thyroid does not heal itself

because all attempts to heal itself are killed off by the antibodies

that attacked the gland the first time around.

I'd be curious to learn of what and on what this doctor bases her

treatment of Hashimoto's AutoImmune Disease. If it works, I'd be one

of the first to sign up for the treatment as I am so tired of being

tired.......... If this treatment works, and has a history behind

it, I want to learn more about it!!!

Gossimer

> snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast

pork is?

>

> Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as

basic

> energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to

feed the

> endocrine system.

>

> Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all

know, am

> consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between

visits, am

> researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across

one

> (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo

issues

> including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her

preference

> is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it

shouldn't be

> necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a

low dose.

>

> Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's

early days,

> I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm

more tired

> than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual

litany of

> Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward

spiral!

> Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any

better will

> probably revert to thyroxine.

>

> Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Hi.

uhmmm, I'm not sure, however, from my studies and past 20+ years

living with Hashimoto's Disease there is no end unless the Thyroid

gland quits working all together...dies off in otherwords...which

hasn't happened yet for me.

Although the swings are slower and easier to adjust to, I still have

hyper and hypo episodes.

Hashimoto's disease is an autoimmune disease...Your own body has

decided to kill off the Thyroid gland, the Master Gland of all

Glands, and once the damage is done the Thyroid does not heal itself

because all attempts to heal itself are killed off by the antibodies

that attacked the gland the first time around.

I'd be curious to learn of what and on what this doctor bases her

treatment of Hashimoto's AutoImmune Disease. If it works, I'd be one

of the first to sign up for the treatment as I am so tired of being

tired.......... If this treatment works, and has a history behind

it, I want to learn more about it!!!

Gossimer

> snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast

pork is?

>

> Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as

basic

> energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to

feed the

> endocrine system.

>

> Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all

know, am

> consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between

visits, am

> researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across

one

> (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo

issues

> including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her

preference

> is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it

shouldn't be

> necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a

low dose.

>

> Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's

early days,

> I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm

more tired

> than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual

litany of

> Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward

spiral!

> Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any

better will

> probably revert to thyroxine.

>

> Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy - that's very interesting. There is so much for me to learn:-)))) Love Chris

Actually this is more a problem with how one's bodyreacts to different medications, it has nothing to dowith whether or not you are taking a natural or asynthetic. For example, some people can take codeineand have it work just fine for them. If my sistertakes it, She gets extremely hyper for a couple ofhours and then does a total crash, but while she'shyper, the pain level hasn't changed at all. She'sjust hyper and in pain instead of being in pain, butnormal otherwise. Her body doesn't deal well withcodeine. I have another friend who can take just aquarter of a Tylenol #3 and be totally zonked out for4 to 6 hours because she's so sensitive to it. I mayget a little hyper with it, but it works for me justfine. We each metabolize our medications andsupplements differently, so we will each reactdifferently to them. Hopefully most of us will reactin the manner doc's consider "normal". Sometimes itjust doesn't work that way. Find a child who ishyperactive and feed him/her caffeine. It willgenerally help him/her calm down. Again, it's howtheir bodies process the caffeine that makes it reactthat way. Many medications will have a completeopposite reaction in children than in adults andsometimes that will also happen with the elderly adultjust like a child. Their system just handles itdifferently.

[Guest guest]

Yes, that makes sense Donna:-))))

Sorry the Armour isn't working for you Donna. I hope you get it sorted soon. Maybe the blood tests will shed some light on it.

Love Chris

snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is?Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as basic energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to feed the endocrine system.Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all know, am consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between visits, am researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across one (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo issues including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her preference is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it shouldn't be necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a low dose.Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's early days, I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm more tired than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual litany of Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward spiral! Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any better will probably revert to thyroxine.Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Yes, that makes sense Donna:-))))

Sorry the Armour isn't working for you Donna. I hope you get it sorted soon. Maybe the blood tests will shed some light on it.

Love Chris

snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is?Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as basic energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to feed the endocrine system.Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all know, am consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between visits, am researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across one (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo issues including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her preference is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it shouldn't be necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a low dose.Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's early days, I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm more tired than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual litany of Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward spiral! Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any better will probably revert to thyroxine.Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Yes, that makes sense Donna:-))))

Sorry the Armour isn't working for you Donna. I hope you get it sorted soon. Maybe the blood tests will shed some light on it.

Love Chris

snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is?Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as basic energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to feed the endocrine system.Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all know, am consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between visits, am researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across one (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo issues including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her preference is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it shouldn't be necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a low dose.Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's early days, I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm more tired than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual litany of Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward spiral! Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any better will probably revert to thyroxine.Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Donna.. it's not uncommon to feel tired a short time after starting on Armour, or any thyroid hormone replacement... it has to do with how the thyroid and pituitary regulate things.

Depending on your starting dose....

When you start taking the hormone the hypothalamus and the pituitary will adjust the TSH levels in response to that hormone, that can cause production from the existing thyroid tissue to be reduced. There is a range in level of hormone that will cause the gland production to decrease in response to the added hormone resulting in less available hormone in the system, it's a matter of working the replacement dose up to the point with the total amount available begins to increase.

I don't know if I'm explaining that well.

Imagine riding a bike... you're peddling along on a level road and all is well, then you start going up a slight incline and peddling becomes more work to maintain the same speed. After a while you're getting tired and your peddling slows. Then you reach the top of the hill and go over the top and you're going down hill and it's a breeze, no more peddling and you're clipping along just fine. Then the road levels off again and you have to go back to peddling. But after working so hard to get up the hill, and how great it was to cruise down the hill, peddling again seems to be too hard.

We struggle through life, low on hormone, and we're more or less used to it.. then we get more hormone and life is good again, things seem better... but when it all levels out again it's back to seeming hard, not because it's as bad as before.. but because it's not as good as it just was.....

Does that make sense?

I'm still having a problem with wrapping my head around T3 only treatment. I know for those that convert T4 to reverse T3 that it's the only way that they can go...but for every one else... T3 only supplementation leaves you totally dependant on taking the T3. With no T4 storage your body as no reserves to draw from when that direct T3 is used up.

Topper ()

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:14:18 +1000 "Donna Marchiori" writes:

snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is?Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as basic energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to feed the endocrine system.Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all know, am consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between visits, am researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across one (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo issues including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her preference is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it shouldn't be necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a low dose.Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's early days, I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm more tired than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual litany of Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward spiral! Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any better will probably revert to thyroxine.Donna in Oz.

[Guest guest]

Donna.. it's not uncommon to feel tired a short time after starting on Armour, or any thyroid hormone replacement... it has to do with how the thyroid and pituitary regulate things.

Depending on your starting dose....

When you start taking the hormone the hypothalamus and the pituitary will adjust the TSH levels in response to that hormone, that can cause production from the existing thyroid tissue to be reduced. There is a range in level of hormone that will cause the gland production to decrease in response to the added hormone resulting in less available hormone in the system, it's a matter of working the replacement dose up to the point with the total amount available begins to increase.

I don't know if I'm explaining that well.

Imagine riding a bike... you're peddling along on a level road and all is well, then you start going up a slight incline and peddling becomes more work to maintain the same speed. After a while you're getting tired and your peddling slows. Then you reach the top of the hill and go over the top and you're going down hill and it's a breeze, no more peddling and you're clipping along just fine. Then the road levels off again and you have to go back to peddling. But after working so hard to get up the hill, and how great it was to cruise down the hill, peddling again seems to be too hard.

We struggle through life, low on hormone, and we're more or less used to it.. then we get more hormone and life is good again, things seem better... but when it all levels out again it's back to seeming hard, not because it's as bad as before.. but because it's not as good as it just was.....

Does that make sense?

I'm still having a problem with wrapping my head around T3 only treatment. I know for those that convert T4 to reverse T3 that it's the only way that they can go...but for every one else... T3 only supplementation leaves you totally dependant on taking the T3. With no T4 storage your body as no reserves to draw from when that direct T3 is used up.

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On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:14:18 +1000 "Donna Marchiori" writes:

snip>because it's pig tissue and foreign to the body than roast pork is?Yeah but roast pork isn't a hormone and we just use it as basic energy, so kind of different to a hormone which we use directly to feed the endocrine system.Yes Celia, I'm fine. Topper - am asking this because as you all know, am consulting a nat'path but she hasn't heard of Armour. In-between visits, am researching, seeking a thyroid-specialist nat'path and came across one (incidentally American in Australia) who is a specialist in endo issues including Hashi's. She suggested Armour aggravates Hashi's. Her preference is to treat with synthetic T3 only plus herbs/supps and that it shouldn't be necessary to have thyroxine after treatment or if it is, only a low dose.Was just curious if any of you had heard anything. I know it's early days, I think this is my third week with Armour, but if anything, I'm more tired than I was before, which is a shame because I don't have the usual litany of Hashi's symptoms, so this could be the beginning of the downward spiral! Anyway, after the blood test in a few week, if I don't feel any better will probably revert to thyroxine.Donna in Oz.