Re: Re: Some people can help me ? My english is bad<

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what is being asked here.

It sounds to me like he is looking for a University that provides

chelation therapy (via IV chelation????) ALl I can tell for certain is

thqat he is interested in detoxic from mercury and environmental

chemicals.

Can somebody help to confirm this?

Should he be directed to the files section along with an

English/Spanish translator program???

Wanting to help too......

~Inga

> I can help a little. I understand better than I speak:

>

> I am Mexican; 40 years; I am treated by a General Neurosurgeon with

> 20 years dedicated to the Neural Therapy (Alternate Medicine)

> nevertheless is necessary to know on chelation for eliminating all the

> metallic residue of mercury that was left from the amalgams and all

> the circulating eating and environmental contaminants. Do you know of

> a School or University that offers this aid? I live in City Juarez

> Chihuahua Mexico.

>

> I can help translate it back if anyone has answers for him.

>

> Steph

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what is being asked here.

It sounds to me like he is looking for a University that provides

chelation therapy (via IV chelation????) ALl I can tell for certain is

thqat he is interested in detoxic from mercury and environmental

chemicals.

Can somebody help to confirm this?

Should he be directed to the files section along with an

English/Spanish translator program???

Wanting to help too......

~Inga

> I can help a little. I understand better than I speak:

>

> I am Mexican; 40 years; I am treated by a General Neurosurgeon with

> 20 years dedicated to the Neural Therapy (Alternate Medicine)

> nevertheless is necessary to know on chelation for eliminating all the

> metallic residue of mercury that was left from the amalgams and all

> the circulating eating and environmental contaminants. Do you know of

> a School or University that offers this aid? I live in City Juarez

> Chihuahua Mexico.

>

> I can help translate it back if anyone has answers for him.

>

> Steph

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what is being asked here.

It sounds to me like he is looking for a University that provides

chelation therapy (via IV chelation????) ALl I can tell for certain is

thqat he is interested in detoxic from mercury and environmental

chemicals.

Can somebody help to confirm this?

Should he be directed to the files section along with an

English/Spanish translator program???

Wanting to help too......

~Inga

> I can help a little. I understand better than I speak:

>

> I am Mexican; 40 years; I am treated by a General Neurosurgeon with

> 20 years dedicated to the Neural Therapy (Alternate Medicine)

> nevertheless is necessary to know on chelation for eliminating all the

> metallic residue of mercury that was left from the amalgams and all

> the circulating eating and environmental contaminants. Do you know of

> a School or University that offers this aid? I live in City Juarez

> Chihuahua Mexico.

>

> I can help translate it back if anyone has answers for him.

>

> Steph

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have the number to Morales' office, but Morales, even though he might

be a great dentist, uses a lot of really bad detox protocol, suggesting

that people takes lots of mobilizers, and such, and if they don't feel

good on them, either quit, or just take even more of them.

I know this because I locked horns with Torrie for awhile....she got

pretty nasty with me offline and said she wished she had never met me.

(which is fine, LOL) She makes comments about what she thinks of

CUtler's protocol, which is well and fine, but says that she has no

intention of reading his book or any of his material...she says that

other " experts " have not read his material either, although she

admitted that after contacting him, that Boyd Haley is in the process

of reading it, and so far says that what he reads makes sense, but she

still insists that the shotgun apporach to chelating is best for most

people. They also recommend ALA, but large amounts and NOT on a

frequent dosing schedule, so I really hesistate to refer him

there....see?

So, I think in all good conscience, forwarding him to Morales would be

a bad idea and discredit to everything we are trying to do here. Agree?

Any other ideas?

I hope he is reading and translating this....

~Inga

> Maybe he could contact Dr. Hal Huggins for a referral or Dr. Morales,

> who is a mercury-free dentist in Mexico.

>

> Dr. Huggins

> http://www.drhuggins.com/default.asp?PageName=Alliance%20Members

> TOLL FREE 1-

>

> Or Morales DDS, Tijuana, Mexico - he is trained by Huggins

> Email Dr. Morales drmorales_tj@...

> http://bikerchick.freehomepage.com/photo.html

>

>

>

>

>

> > I can help a little. I understand better than I speak:

> >

> > I am Mexican; 40 years; I am treated by a General Neurosurgeon with

> > 20 years dedicated to the Neural Therapy (Alternate Medicine)

> > nevertheless is necessary to know on chelation for eliminating all

> > the metallic residue of mercury that was left from the amalgams and

> > all the circulating eating and environmental contaminants. Do you

> > know of a School or University that offers this aid? I live in City

> > Juarez Chihuahua Mexico.

> >

> > I can help translate it back if anyone has answers for him.

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Buenos dias: Soy Medico Mexicano;40 años en el ejercicio

> > > medico;Medico General Neurocirujano y en los ultimos 20 años

> > > dedicado a la Terapia Neural (Medicina Alterna) Sin embargo

> > > es necesario saber y conocer sobre Quelacion para elimar todos los

> > > residuos metalicos de mercurio que dejaron las amalagamas y todos

> > los

> > > contaminantes ambientales y alimentarios circulantes.

> > > Conocen ustedes alguna Escuela o Universidad que ofresca esta

> > ayuda ?

> > > Soy y vivo en Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua Mexico.

> > > mi web site: www.dolorcronicoytratamiento.com Gracias

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have the number to Morales' office, but Morales, even though he might

be a great dentist, uses a lot of really bad detox protocol, suggesting

that people takes lots of mobilizers, and such, and if they don't feel

good on them, either quit, or just take even more of them.

I know this because I locked horns with Torrie for awhile....she got

pretty nasty with me offline and said she wished she had never met me.

(which is fine, LOL) She makes comments about what she thinks of

CUtler's protocol, which is well and fine, but says that she has no

intention of reading his book or any of his material...she says that

other " experts " have not read his material either, although she

admitted that after contacting him, that Boyd Haley is in the process

of reading it, and so far says that what he reads makes sense, but she

still insists that the shotgun apporach to chelating is best for most

people. They also recommend ALA, but large amounts and NOT on a

frequent dosing schedule, so I really hesistate to refer him

there....see?

So, I think in all good conscience, forwarding him to Morales would be

a bad idea and discredit to everything we are trying to do here. Agree?

Any other ideas?

I hope he is reading and translating this....

~Inga

> Maybe he could contact Dr. Hal Huggins for a referral or Dr. Morales,

> who is a mercury-free dentist in Mexico.

>

> Dr. Huggins

> http://www.drhuggins.com/default.asp?PageName=Alliance%20Members

> TOLL FREE 1-

>

> Or Morales DDS, Tijuana, Mexico - he is trained by Huggins

> Email Dr. Morales drmorales_tj@...

> http://bikerchick.freehomepage.com/photo.html

>

>

>

>

>

> > I can help a little. I understand better than I speak:

> >

> > I am Mexican; 40 years; I am treated by a General Neurosurgeon with

> > 20 years dedicated to the Neural Therapy (Alternate Medicine)

> > nevertheless is necessary to know on chelation for eliminating all

> > the metallic residue of mercury that was left from the amalgams and

> > all the circulating eating and environmental contaminants. Do you

> > know of a School or University that offers this aid? I live in City

> > Juarez Chihuahua Mexico.

> >

> > I can help translate it back if anyone has answers for him.

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Buenos dias: Soy Medico Mexicano;40 años en el ejercicio

> > > medico;Medico General Neurocirujano y en los ultimos 20 años

> > > dedicado a la Terapia Neural (Medicina Alterna) Sin embargo

> > > es necesario saber y conocer sobre Quelacion para elimar todos los

> > > residuos metalicos de mercurio que dejaron las amalagamas y todos

> > los

> > > contaminantes ambientales y alimentarios circulantes.

> > > Conocen ustedes alguna Escuela o Universidad que ofresca esta

> > ayuda ?

> > > Soy y vivo en Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua Mexico.

> > > mi web site: www.dolorcronicoytratamiento.com Gracias

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ingrid,

I ran into that same brick wall with Torrie and safe chelation protocols. The

thing I like most about Andy's protocol is he wants Chelation to be safe for

EVERYONE. Whereas others consider that if 8 people out of ten DO have a good

reaction and 2 people DON'T have a good reaction then that is acceptable.

Not so acceptable if you happen to fall into the last group. This Yahoo group

seems to have gathered many people that have NOT had good experiences with

indiscriminate chelation.

But its seems that few people know enough about chelation. So I suppose

education is the most important part, rather than attacking those who are

chelating ignorantly. That is what I contested with Torrie. She perceives any

disagreement towards her protocols as an attack on her and Dr Morales, then

proceeds in following emails to lash out against dissenters effectively

preventing any education from happening. It is a pity, because Andy's protocol

is deeply needed to work in symbiosis with amalgam removal IMO. And, I have

heard very good reports on Dr Morales. It also seems that he is more interested

in Amalgam removal and leave the chelation options up to you. So perhaps if you

choose to go and see him you should self-educate about chealtion. I'm sure that

Oral Chelation will one day be done according to the gold-standard Andy Cutler,

in the same way as Amalgam is removed according to the gold-standard Hal Huggins

On another note does anyone have any opinions on this dentists in Mexico : Dr

Lagos

http://www.biologicaldent.com/center_for_biological_dentistry/about_us.html

Seems his fees are quite steep for some things? And he doesn't mention chelation

either..

Dean

>I have the number to Morales' office, but Morales, even though he might

be a great dentist, uses a lot of really bad detox protocol, suggesting

that people takes lots of mobilizers, and such, and if they don't feel

good on them, either quit, or just take even more of them.

I know this because I locked horns with Torrie for awhile....she got

pretty nasty with me offline and said she wished she had never met me.

(which is fine, LOL) She makes comments about what she thinks of

CUtler's protocol, which is well and fine, but says that she has no

intention of reading his book or any of his material...she says that

other " experts " have not read his material either, although she

admitted that after contacting him, that Boyd Haley is in the process

of reading it, and so far says that what he reads makes sense, but she

still insists that the shotgun apporach to chelating is best for most

people. They also recommend ALA, but large amounts and NOT on a

frequent dosing schedule, so I really hesistate to refer him

there....see?

So, I think in all good conscience, forwarding him to Morales would be

a bad idea and discredit to everything we are trying to do here. Agree?

Any other ideas?

I hope he is reading and translating this....

~Inga

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know Dean, in fact, at one point Torrie accused me of having an

" underground " going on with you being one of the members, LOL. How

bizzare! I think she never quite got all the mercury out of her brain,

LOL...in fact maybe drove more of it up there with all the

indiscriminate use of ALA...gigglng right along here....

Anyway, yes, it is sad because some of us are very sick, and find out

way to places like this to try and get better after all the damage. In

fact, she could probably do a lot of good with all the energy she puts

forth towards mercury if she could just open up her mind a little bit

and READ the darn material ......oh well.....I couldn't wreck myself

anymore by trying to communicate with her, no matter how kind and

congenial I tried to be.....

>>>>>>>But my main concern at this moment is to find a way to answer

this fellow who wrote in Spanish, looking for help at the beginning of

this post.

>>>>>>>ANY SPANISH SPEAKING PEOPLE HERE???<<<<<<<

Thanks,

Inga

> Hi Ingrid,

> I ran into that same brick wall with Torrie and safe chelation

> protocols. The thing I like most about Andy's protocol is he wants

> Chelation to be safe for EVERYONE. Whereas others consider that if 8

> people out of ten DO have a good reaction and 2 people DON'T have a

> good reaction then that is acceptable.

> Not so acceptable if you happen to fall into the last group. This

> Yahoo group seems to have gathered many people that have NOT had good

> experiences with indiscriminate chelation.

>

> But its seems that few people know enough about chelation. So I

> suppose education is the most important part, rather than attacking

> those who are chelating ignorantly. That is what I contested with

> Torrie. She perceives any disagreement towards her protocols as an

> attack on her and Dr Morales, then proceeds in following emails to

> lash out against dissenters effectively preventing any education from

> happening. It is a pity, because Andy's protocol is deeply needed to

> work in symbiosis with amalgam removal IMO. And, I have heard very

> good reports on Dr Morales. It also seems that he is more interested

> in Amalgam removal and leave the chelation options up to you. So

> perhaps if you choose to go and see him you should self-educate about

> chealtion. I'm sure that Oral Chelation will one day be done according

> to the gold-standard Andy Cutler, in the same way as Amalgam is

> removed according to the gold-standard Hal Huggins

>

> On another note does anyone have any opinions on this dentists in

> Mexico : Dr Lagos

> http://www.biologicaldent.com/center_for_biological_dentistry/

> about_us.html

> Seems his fees are quite steep for some things? And he doesn't

> mention chelation either..

>

> Dean

>

> >I have the number to Morales' office, but Morales, even though he

> might

> be a great dentist, uses a lot of really bad detox protocol,

> suggesting

> that people takes lots of mobilizers, and such, and if they don't feel

> good on them, either quit, or just take even more of them.

>

> I know this because I locked horns with Torrie for awhile....she got

> pretty nasty with me offline and said she wished she had never met me.

> (which is fine, LOL) She makes comments about what she thinks of

> CUtler's protocol, which is well and fine, but says that she has no

> intention of reading his book or any of his material...she says that

> other " experts " have not read his material either, although she

> admitted that after contacting him, that Boyd Haley is in the process

> of reading it, and so far says that what he reads makes sense, but she

> still insists that the shotgun apporach to chelating is best for most

> people. They also recommend ALA, but large amounts and NOT on a

> frequent dosing schedule, so I really hesistate to refer him

> there....see?

>

> So, I think in all good conscience, forwarding him to Morales would be

> a bad idea and discredit to everything we are trying to do here.

> Agree?

> Any other ideas?

> I hope he is reading and translating this....

> ~Inga

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, this is very interesting Inga. I am new to all this, as you

probably know, and still trying to sort it all out myself. I have

ordered Cutlers book but have not gotten yet so obviously I am still

in the dark. Thank you for explaining all this to me and I am glad

you caught this. I certainly wouldn't want to give out bad information.

>

>> I have the number to Morales' office, but Morales, even though he

>> might

>> be a great dentist, uses a lot of really bad detox protocol,

>> suggesting

>> that people takes lots of mobilizers, and such, and if they don't

>> feel

>> good on them, either quit, or just take even more of them.

>>

>> I know this because I locked horns with Torrie for awhile....she got

>> pretty nasty with me offline and said she wished she had never met

>> me.

>> (which is fine, LOL) She makes comments about what she thinks of

>> CUtler's protocol, which is well and fine, but says that she has no

>> intention of reading his book or any of his material...she says that

>> other " experts " have not read his material either, although she

>> admitted that after contacting him, that Boyd Haley is in the process

>> of reading it, and so far says that what he reads makes sense, but

>> she

>> still insists that the shotgun apporach to chelating is best for most

>> people. They also recommend ALA, but large amounts and NOT on a

>> frequent dosing schedule, so I really hesistate to refer him

>> there....see?

>>

>> So, I think in all good conscience, forwarding him to Morales

>> would be

>> a bad idea and discredit to everything we are trying to do here.

>> Agree?

>> Any other ideas?

>> I hope he is reading and translating this....

>> ~Inga

>>

>>

>>

>> > Maybe he could contact Dr. Hal Huggins for a referral or Dr.

>> Morales,

>> > who is a mercury-free dentist in Mexico.

>> >

>> > Dr. Huggins

>> > http://www.drhuggins.com/default.asp?PageName=Alliance%20Members

>> > TOLL FREE 1-

>> >

>> > Or Morales DDS, Tijuana, Mexico - he is trained by Huggins

>> > Email Dr. Morales drmorales_tj@...

>> > http://bikerchick.freehomepage.com/photo.html

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, this is very interesting Inga. I am new to all this, as you

probably know, and still trying to sort it all out myself. I have

ordered Cutlers book but have not gotten yet so obviously I am still

in the dark. Thank you for explaining all this to me and I am glad

you caught this. I certainly wouldn't want to give out bad information.

>

>> I have the number to Morales' office, but Morales, even though he

>> might

>> be a great dentist, uses a lot of really bad detox protocol,

>> suggesting

>> that people takes lots of mobilizers, and such, and if they don't

>> feel

>> good on them, either quit, or just take even more of them.

>>

>> I know this because I locked horns with Torrie for awhile....she got

>> pretty nasty with me offline and said she wished she had never met

>> me.

>> (which is fine, LOL) She makes comments about what she thinks of

>> CUtler's protocol, which is well and fine, but says that she has no

>> intention of reading his book or any of his material...she says that

>> other " experts " have not read his material either, although she

>> admitted that after contacting him, that Boyd Haley is in the process

>> of reading it, and so far says that what he reads makes sense, but

>> she

>> still insists that the shotgun apporach to chelating is best for most

>> people. They also recommend ALA, but large amounts and NOT on a

>> frequent dosing schedule, so I really hesistate to refer him

>> there....see?

>>

>> So, I think in all good conscience, forwarding him to Morales

>> would be

>> a bad idea and discredit to everything we are trying to do here.

>> Agree?

>> Any other ideas?

>> I hope he is reading and translating this....

>> ~Inga

>>

>>

>>

>> > Maybe he could contact Dr. Hal Huggins for a referral or Dr.

>> Morales,

>> > who is a mercury-free dentist in Mexico.

>> >

>> > Dr. Huggins

>> > http://www.drhuggins.com/default.asp?PageName=Alliance%20Members

>> > TOLL FREE 1-

>> >

>> > Or Morales DDS, Tijuana, Mexico - he is trained by Huggins

>> > Email Dr. Morales drmorales_tj@...

>> > http://bikerchick.freehomepage.com/photo.html

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

This information is according to Torrie. I can not say it is fact from

my own knowledge.

Once a few of us started mentioning Cutler at her website, she told us

that the has contacted the " experts " and that they had not read Andy's

material, looking for a reason for why she was justified in not reading

his book. This is when she got back the information that Boyd Haley

was in the middle of reading it.

My sense of it was that she was looking for any way she could to

discredit Andy. That can not be done in my mind because I have

experienced with my own body that what he says is true, as I am a

pretty classic case of all the bad things that can go wrong. But when I

do things following Andy's instructions, everything he says is exactly

what happens to me and how my body responds. So I have to believe what

Andy says is true, on top of everything else pointing to the fact that

his knowledge is correct. It is all backed up by sound scientific

logic.

I think it might be a little porfessional jealousy...never thought of

it that way before. WE are i the middle of a major paradigm shift, and

this type of thing is pretty typical for when new truths are

discovered: they are first rebutted, and tried to be

discreditted...later on they are accepted as self evidenced truths.

There is a saying about this,,,many of you have probably heard it...

don't have it on hand though...

Yes, it is simply amazing that the Dan community can not come to

consider the facts that Andy presents. I think there is some ego

involved, and to accept a newly discovered truth, would be to admit, at

the same time, that one had been mispracticing with error beforehand.

Ouch.

WHO SPEAKS SPANISH AROUND HERE THAT CAN HELP THAT FELLOW?

~Inga

> Boyd Haley has never read Andy's books? I find that amazing.

> What's the deal? Is it Andy's charming personality that turns these

> people off; or professional jealousy?

>

> Honestly, I've never understood why the DAN! community cannot grasp

> the low/frequent chelation method (at least as an OPTION for

> parents).

>

> Pam

>

>

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