Re: Atkins failing... And other things... Too long, I know.

[Guest guest]

Hi Misty...

If I were you... I'd concentrate on dealing with the hypo first... you said that the T4 was low normal.. considering your symptoms... weight, depression, low body temp.. that's suggesting your hormones are still too low...

Things to consider....

The Prevacid might be messing with your digestion.... are you swallowing your Armour or taking it sublingually?

I'm very opinionated about weight... I honestly, deep in my bones, feel that very very few people are over weight due to genetics. I also believe that a good many may be over weight due to poor eating habits.. be that over eating or under eating.. yes, if you don't eat enough you can also gain weight - if you are hypo.

I feel that for a decent percentage of the population the fact that they are over weight is a signal by the body that something is wrong. A healthy body does not want to be over weight.. it's too much work.. to keep up, to move around, to digest the extra food....

That all said... lets look at your weight...

Are you eating to promote increased metabolism? Are you eating enough food to keep your body burning calories? Have you decreased your calories to the point where your metabolism has dropped down to reduce the number of calories you burn and there fore make it even harder to lose excess weight?

Might be something to think about... we can talk more....

Topper ()

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Misty Lazenby writes:

Hi ladies - Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency movedue to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place isnice.Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phasefor 7 days now and I don't see any "dramatic weightloss." (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) Mybbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is lownormal (110-120/70-80 ranges).Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I knowmy temps are still lowish, but my last set of labslooked fairly good:tsh - .002free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)free t3 - So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi'shypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesityCAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incredibydepressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused byhypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,I guess..Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, mynutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excludednearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks.. I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, someveggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons ofthings and had a salycilite toxicity). It was ahorrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, Icould have lettuce with olive oil).All this to say, I am really considering gastricbypass because I don't want to go into my thirtiesfat. I am 5'9" and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (indec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Anythoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is thatwithout taking care of the hypo and other mitigatingproblems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then Iwould be malnourished on top of everything else..Any thoughts? Please? One more thing-My meds are 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right nowor I am constantly pissed)27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from medsand hypo36 prevacid for horrific heartburn2 gr Armour for Hashi's HypoAm I just being a baby who needs to buckle down andget back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) ordoes anyone see anything else fishy? Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); afterpregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; hpylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side haveand have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. allthe way back to ggm.Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.MMisty

[Guest guest]

Hi Misty...

If I were you... I'd concentrate on dealing with the hypo first... you said that the T4 was low normal.. considering your symptoms... weight, depression, low body temp.. that's suggesting your hormones are still too low...

Things to consider....

The Prevacid might be messing with your digestion.... are you swallowing your Armour or taking it sublingually?

I'm very opinionated about weight... I honestly, deep in my bones, feel that very very few people are over weight due to genetics. I also believe that a good many may be over weight due to poor eating habits.. be that over eating or under eating.. yes, if you don't eat enough you can also gain weight - if you are hypo.

I feel that for a decent percentage of the population the fact that they are over weight is a signal by the body that something is wrong. A healthy body does not want to be over weight.. it's too much work.. to keep up, to move around, to digest the extra food....

That all said... lets look at your weight...

Are you eating to promote increased metabolism? Are you eating enough food to keep your body burning calories? Have you decreased your calories to the point where your metabolism has dropped down to reduce the number of calories you burn and there fore make it even harder to lose excess weight?

Might be something to think about... we can talk more....

Topper ()

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Misty Lazenby writes:

Hi ladies - Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency movedue to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place isnice.Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phasefor 7 days now and I don't see any "dramatic weightloss." (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) Mybbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is lownormal (110-120/70-80 ranges).Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I knowmy temps are still lowish, but my last set of labslooked fairly good:tsh - .002free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)free t3 - So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi'shypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesityCAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incredibydepressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused byhypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,I guess..Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, mynutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excludednearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks.. I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, someveggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons ofthings and had a salycilite toxicity). It was ahorrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, Icould have lettuce with olive oil).All this to say, I am really considering gastricbypass because I don't want to go into my thirtiesfat. I am 5'9" and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (indec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Anythoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is thatwithout taking care of the hypo and other mitigatingproblems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then Iwould be malnourished on top of everything else..Any thoughts? Please? One more thing-My meds are 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right nowor I am constantly pissed)27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from medsand hypo36 prevacid for horrific heartburn2 gr Armour for Hashi's HypoAm I just being a baby who needs to buckle down andget back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) ordoes anyone see anything else fishy? Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); afterpregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; hpylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side haveand have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. allthe way back to ggm.Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.MMisty

[Guest guest]

Hi Misty,

Okay this really makes me pissed off.....WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOUR

BEING FAT CAUSED YOU TO DEVELOP HASHIMOTO'S??????????????

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...HASHIMOTO'S IS AN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE THAT A

GREAT DEAL OF US GET FROM OUR ANCESTORS OR FROM AN INJURY TO THE

THROAT AREA!!!!!!!!! NOT FROM FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hASHIMOTO'S DIESEASE IS THE CAUSE OF THE BODY HOLDING ON TO EVERY

SINGLE LAST CALORIE THAT PASSES THROUGH THE MOUTH...Thus the

constipation, the smelly urine, the skin going funky...etc.

Okay, now.... For your height, weight and description of your T4

levels you are not getting enough T4 into your blood stream to be

converted over into T3, etc... I suspect that 2 grains is not enough

medicine for you.

The fact that you were skinny and jittery before your child was born

makes me think that it is posible that you were a bit hyper and the

chemical changes that occur during pregnancy caused the swing over

into hypo...Thus Hashimoto's disease... Hashimoto people tend to

either have very quick swings back and forth from hyper to hypo and

back and forth our whole lives or there is a period of hyper ness

that can last for many years, in my case it lasted for 3 years, and

then the swing over into hyponess, this stage may last many years...

Some of us finaly land or settle either hyper or hypo after many

many years of swinging back and forth...

Now to answer your question, Does Atkins diet work for us who live

with Hashimoto's disease? The answer is YES...just a bit to lot

slower than for others who have a healthy body...just wanting to

lose a few pounds.

I would recommend staying with the first stage of the Atkins life

style of eating for another week, if you can handle it two more

weeks. Then move on into the second stage and stay there for

months...I was in the second stage for almost 2 years, and finally

moved into the third stage...although I never go above 35 carbs a

day...my body just prefers the protein...and goes plain weird when

sugar in any form is added. And the same goes for processed flour.

Whole grains I can handle. Again so long as no sugar is added. Do I

eat a lot of protein....You betcha!!! am I working and having a

close to normal life again after years of being out of the

loop?...You betcha!!!

Also, for me, in order for me to be able to return to work my Free

T4 and Free T3 are at the very high end of normal...I can tell when

they are getting too low, I run out of mental and physical energy.

So, I suspect that you are not getting enough of the Free T4 and

Free T3 in your system.

By the way, I no longer bother my Doctor with asking for a TSH

test...all it proves if whether your pitutary gland is working or

not. and whether it is getting enough T4 to keep IT happy... Its the

FT4 and the FT3 that determines what is floating around in my blood

stream which then determines my mental and physical energy levels.

NOw, one question to start off with....

How are you taking your 2 grains?

All at once?

Swallowed or sublingual?

Or are you quartering it, and taking it spaced out over your waking

hours?????????

Gossimer

> Hi ladies -

>

> Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency move

> due to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place is

> nice.

>

> Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phase

> for 7 days now and I don't see any " dramatic weight

> loss. " (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) My

> bbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)

> and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -

> regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is low

> normal (110-120/70-80 ranges).

>

> Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I know

> my temps are still lowish, but my last set of labs

> looked fairly good:

>

> tsh - .002

> free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)

> free t3 -

>

> So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi's

> hypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesity

> CAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incrediby

> depressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained

> 100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused by

> hypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,

> I guess..

>

>

> Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, my

> nutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excluded

> nearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks..

> I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, some

> veggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons of

> things and had a salycilite toxicity). It was a

> horrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, I

> could have lettuce with olive oil).

>

> All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> would be malnourished on top of everything else..

>

> Any thoughts? Please?

>

> One more thing-

>

> My meds are

>

> 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right now

> or I am constantly pissed)

>

> 27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from meds

> and hypo

>

> 36 prevacid for horrific heartburn

>

> 2 gr Armour for Hashi's Hypo

>

> Am I just being a baby who needs to buckle down and

> get back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) or

> does anyone see anything else fishy?

>

> Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); after

> pregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; h

> pylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);

> presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,

> but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side have

> and have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. all

> the way back to ggm.

>

> Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.

>

> M

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@y...

>

> Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely

improve the present. It is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy

future, without fear.

>

> -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807 - 1882)

>

>

>

> __________________________________

> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

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[Guest guest]

Hi Misty,

Okay this really makes me pissed off.....WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOUR

BEING FAT CAUSED YOU TO DEVELOP HASHIMOTO'S??????????????

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...HASHIMOTO'S IS AN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE THAT A

GREAT DEAL OF US GET FROM OUR ANCESTORS OR FROM AN INJURY TO THE

THROAT AREA!!!!!!!!! NOT FROM FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hASHIMOTO'S DIESEASE IS THE CAUSE OF THE BODY HOLDING ON TO EVERY

SINGLE LAST CALORIE THAT PASSES THROUGH THE MOUTH...Thus the

constipation, the smelly urine, the skin going funky...etc.

Okay, now.... For your height, weight and description of your T4

levels you are not getting enough T4 into your blood stream to be

converted over into T3, etc... I suspect that 2 grains is not enough

medicine for you.

The fact that you were skinny and jittery before your child was born

makes me think that it is posible that you were a bit hyper and the

chemical changes that occur during pregnancy caused the swing over

into hypo...Thus Hashimoto's disease... Hashimoto people tend to

either have very quick swings back and forth from hyper to hypo and

back and forth our whole lives or there is a period of hyper ness

that can last for many years, in my case it lasted for 3 years, and

then the swing over into hyponess, this stage may last many years...

Some of us finaly land or settle either hyper or hypo after many

many years of swinging back and forth...

Now to answer your question, Does Atkins diet work for us who live

with Hashimoto's disease? The answer is YES...just a bit to lot

slower than for others who have a healthy body...just wanting to

lose a few pounds.

I would recommend staying with the first stage of the Atkins life

style of eating for another week, if you can handle it two more

weeks. Then move on into the second stage and stay there for

months...I was in the second stage for almost 2 years, and finally

moved into the third stage...although I never go above 35 carbs a

day...my body just prefers the protein...and goes plain weird when

sugar in any form is added. And the same goes for processed flour.

Whole grains I can handle. Again so long as no sugar is added. Do I

eat a lot of protein....You betcha!!! am I working and having a

close to normal life again after years of being out of the

loop?...You betcha!!!

Also, for me, in order for me to be able to return to work my Free

T4 and Free T3 are at the very high end of normal...I can tell when

they are getting too low, I run out of mental and physical energy.

So, I suspect that you are not getting enough of the Free T4 and

Free T3 in your system.

By the way, I no longer bother my Doctor with asking for a TSH

test...all it proves if whether your pitutary gland is working or

not. and whether it is getting enough T4 to keep IT happy... Its the

FT4 and the FT3 that determines what is floating around in my blood

stream which then determines my mental and physical energy levels.

NOw, one question to start off with....

How are you taking your 2 grains?

All at once?

Swallowed or sublingual?

Or are you quartering it, and taking it spaced out over your waking

hours?????????

Gossimer

> Hi ladies -

>

> Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency move

> due to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place is

> nice.

>

> Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phase

> for 7 days now and I don't see any " dramatic weight

> loss. " (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) My

> bbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)

> and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -

> regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is low

> normal (110-120/70-80 ranges).

>

> Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I know

> my temps are still lowish, but my last set of labs

> looked fairly good:

>

> tsh - .002

> free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)

> free t3 -

>

> So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi's

> hypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesity

> CAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incrediby

> depressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained

> 100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused by

> hypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,

> I guess..

>

>

> Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, my

> nutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excluded

> nearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks..

> I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, some

> veggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons of

> things and had a salycilite toxicity). It was a

> horrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, I

> could have lettuce with olive oil).

>

> All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> would be malnourished on top of everything else..

>

> Any thoughts? Please?

>

> One more thing-

>

> My meds are

>

> 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right now

> or I am constantly pissed)

>

> 27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from meds

> and hypo

>

> 36 prevacid for horrific heartburn

>

> 2 gr Armour for Hashi's Hypo

>

> Am I just being a baby who needs to buckle down and

> get back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) or

> does anyone see anything else fishy?

>

> Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); after

> pregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; h

> pylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);

> presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,

> but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side have

> and have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. all

> the way back to ggm.

>

> Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.

>

> M

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@y...

>

> Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely

improve the present. It is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy

future, without fear.

>

> -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807 - 1882)

>

>

>

> __________________________________

> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> http://mail.yahoo.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Misty,

Okay this really makes me pissed off.....WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOUR

BEING FAT CAUSED YOU TO DEVELOP HASHIMOTO'S??????????????

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...HASHIMOTO'S IS AN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE THAT A

GREAT DEAL OF US GET FROM OUR ANCESTORS OR FROM AN INJURY TO THE

THROAT AREA!!!!!!!!! NOT FROM FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hASHIMOTO'S DIESEASE IS THE CAUSE OF THE BODY HOLDING ON TO EVERY

SINGLE LAST CALORIE THAT PASSES THROUGH THE MOUTH...Thus the

constipation, the smelly urine, the skin going funky...etc.

Okay, now.... For your height, weight and description of your T4

levels you are not getting enough T4 into your blood stream to be

converted over into T3, etc... I suspect that 2 grains is not enough

medicine for you.

The fact that you were skinny and jittery before your child was born

makes me think that it is posible that you were a bit hyper and the

chemical changes that occur during pregnancy caused the swing over

into hypo...Thus Hashimoto's disease... Hashimoto people tend to

either have very quick swings back and forth from hyper to hypo and

back and forth our whole lives or there is a period of hyper ness

that can last for many years, in my case it lasted for 3 years, and

then the swing over into hyponess, this stage may last many years...

Some of us finaly land or settle either hyper or hypo after many

many years of swinging back and forth...

Now to answer your question, Does Atkins diet work for us who live

with Hashimoto's disease? The answer is YES...just a bit to lot

slower than for others who have a healthy body...just wanting to

lose a few pounds.

I would recommend staying with the first stage of the Atkins life

style of eating for another week, if you can handle it two more

weeks. Then move on into the second stage and stay there for

months...I was in the second stage for almost 2 years, and finally

moved into the third stage...although I never go above 35 carbs a

day...my body just prefers the protein...and goes plain weird when

sugar in any form is added. And the same goes for processed flour.

Whole grains I can handle. Again so long as no sugar is added. Do I

eat a lot of protein....You betcha!!! am I working and having a

close to normal life again after years of being out of the

loop?...You betcha!!!

Also, for me, in order for me to be able to return to work my Free

T4 and Free T3 are at the very high end of normal...I can tell when

they are getting too low, I run out of mental and physical energy.

So, I suspect that you are not getting enough of the Free T4 and

Free T3 in your system.

By the way, I no longer bother my Doctor with asking for a TSH

test...all it proves if whether your pitutary gland is working or

not. and whether it is getting enough T4 to keep IT happy... Its the

FT4 and the FT3 that determines what is floating around in my blood

stream which then determines my mental and physical energy levels.

NOw, one question to start off with....

How are you taking your 2 grains?

All at once?

Swallowed or sublingual?

Or are you quartering it, and taking it spaced out over your waking

hours?????????

Gossimer

> Hi ladies -

>

> Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency move

> due to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place is

> nice.

>

> Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phase

> for 7 days now and I don't see any " dramatic weight

> loss. " (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) My

> bbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)

> and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -

> regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is low

> normal (110-120/70-80 ranges).

>

> Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I know

> my temps are still lowish, but my last set of labs

> looked fairly good:

>

> tsh - .002

> free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)

> free t3 -

>

> So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi's

> hypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesity

> CAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incrediby

> depressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained

> 100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused by

> hypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,

> I guess..

>

>

> Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, my

> nutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excluded

> nearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks..

> I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, some

> veggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons of

> things and had a salycilite toxicity). It was a

> horrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, I

> could have lettuce with olive oil).

>

> All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> would be malnourished on top of everything else..

>

> Any thoughts? Please?

>

> One more thing-

>

> My meds are

>

> 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right now

> or I am constantly pissed)

>

> 27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from meds

> and hypo

>

> 36 prevacid for horrific heartburn

>

> 2 gr Armour for Hashi's Hypo

>

> Am I just being a baby who needs to buckle down and

> get back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) or

> does anyone see anything else fishy?

>

> Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); after

> pregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; h

> pylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);

> presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,

> but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side have

> and have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. all

> the way back to ggm.

>

> Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.

>

> M

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@y...

>

> Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely

improve the present. It is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy

future, without fear.

>

> -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807 - 1882)

>

>

>

> __________________________________

> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> http://mail.yahoo.com

[Guest guest]

Oh yah, one more thing...

In regards to what you are eatting..

Be sure that you are eating enough, 1500 calories is bottom line for

those of us with Hashimoto's... Anything lower than that your body

will go into starvation mode and hold everything in even more so...

So be sure that you are getting protein at every meal and tons of

veggies...

You also might consider eating 5-6 times a day in mini meals. It

really was surprising to me how eating 5 mini meals really helped

keep my energy up when I started my currently job. If I miss a meal

by the next meal I am dragging and so are my numbers. ie.:

breakfast-protein and a selection of fruit, break-eat a piece of

meat, lunch-eat meat and veggies, break-eat another piece of meat,

dinner-meat, veggies and 1 selection of fruit. And what feels like

gallons of water every day...remember its the water that flushes out

the used up fat toxins...if you don't drink enough to make your

urine only a pale or clear yellow...then you aren't drinking

enough!!!

Gossimer

> Hi ladies -

>

> Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency move

> due to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place is

> nice.

>

> Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phase

> for 7 days now and I don't see any " dramatic weight

> loss. " (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) My

> bbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)

> and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -

> regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is low

> normal (110-120/70-80 ranges).

>

> Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I know

> my temps are still lowish, but my last set of labs

> looked fairly good:

>

> tsh - .002

> free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)

> free t3 -

>

> So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi's

> hypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesity

> CAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incrediby

> depressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained

> 100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused by

> hypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,

> I guess..

>

>

> Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, my

> nutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excluded

> nearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks..

> I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, some

> veggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons of

> things and had a salycilite toxicity). It was a

> horrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, I

> could have lettuce with olive oil).

>

> All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> would be malnourished on top of everything else..

>

> Any thoughts? Please?

>

> One more thing-

>

> My meds are

>

> 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right now

> or I am constantly pissed)

>

> 27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from meds

> and hypo

>

> 36 prevacid for horrific heartburn

>

> 2 gr Armour for Hashi's Hypo

>

> Am I just being a baby who needs to buckle down and

> get back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) or

> does anyone see anything else fishy?

>

> Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); after

> pregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; h

> pylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);

> presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,

> but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side have

> and have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. all

> the way back to ggm.

>

> Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.

>

> M

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@y...

>

> Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely

improve the present. It is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy

future, without fear.

>

> -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807 - 1882)

>

>

>

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Oh yah, one more thing...

In regards to what you are eatting..

Be sure that you are eating enough, 1500 calories is bottom line for

those of us with Hashimoto's... Anything lower than that your body

will go into starvation mode and hold everything in even more so...

So be sure that you are getting protein at every meal and tons of

veggies...

You also might consider eating 5-6 times a day in mini meals. It

really was surprising to me how eating 5 mini meals really helped

keep my energy up when I started my currently job. If I miss a meal

by the next meal I am dragging and so are my numbers. ie.:

breakfast-protein and a selection of fruit, break-eat a piece of

meat, lunch-eat meat and veggies, break-eat another piece of meat,

dinner-meat, veggies and 1 selection of fruit. And what feels like

gallons of water every day...remember its the water that flushes out

the used up fat toxins...if you don't drink enough to make your

urine only a pale or clear yellow...then you aren't drinking

enough!!!

Gossimer

> Hi ladies -

>

> Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency move

> due to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place is

> nice.

>

> Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phase

> for 7 days now and I don't see any " dramatic weight

> loss. " (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) My

> bbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)

> and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -

> regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is low

> normal (110-120/70-80 ranges).

>

> Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I know

> my temps are still lowish, but my last set of labs

> looked fairly good:

>

> tsh - .002

> free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)

> free t3 -

>

> So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi's

> hypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesity

> CAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incrediby

> depressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained

> 100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused by

> hypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,

> I guess..

>

>

> Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, my

> nutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excluded

> nearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks..

> I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, some

> veggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons of

> things and had a salycilite toxicity). It was a

> horrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, I

> could have lettuce with olive oil).

>

> All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> would be malnourished on top of everything else..

>

> Any thoughts? Please?

>

> One more thing-

>

> My meds are

>

> 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right now

> or I am constantly pissed)

>

> 27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from meds

> and hypo

>

> 36 prevacid for horrific heartburn

>

> 2 gr Armour for Hashi's Hypo

>

> Am I just being a baby who needs to buckle down and

> get back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) or

> does anyone see anything else fishy?

>

> Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); after

> pregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; h

> pylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);

> presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,

> but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side have

> and have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. all

> the way back to ggm.

>

> Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.

>

> M

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@y...

>

> Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely

improve the present. It is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy

future, without fear.

>

> -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807 - 1882)

>

>

>

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--- Misty Lazenby wrote:

> Hi ladies -

>

> Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency

> move

> due to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place is

> nice.

>

***** snip *****

Moving is not my idea of fun either, expecially being

an emergency situation. I'm glad you were able to get

out of the situation though. Mold is no joke.

> So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi's

> hypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesity

> CAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incrediby

> depressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity

> (gained

> 100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused by

> hypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad

> about,

> I guess..

***** snip *****

Well whoever gave you that little tidbit of

information LIED through their teeth. Don't believe a

word of it, even if it was a doctor. Hashi's or not,

the obesity comes from already being hypo along with

the genetic information we get from our family and

other medical problems that are usually undiagnosed

and blamed on our weight instead of searching for the

true cause of the weight gain. Some of us are

naturally supposed to be larger than others, but we

strive to diet our way down to what the mass media

presents to us daily as the ideal. This ideal is

something that LESS THAN 3% of the population can be,

but we continue to diet and diet and the weight leaves

and comes back with it's friends that it's made while

it was gone and our " set point " weight gets higher and

higher. Then we CAN'T get back to what our natural

weight should be because our body doesn't know what it

is anymore.

> All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> would be malnourished on top of everything else..

>

> Any thoughts? Please?

>

The first thing you need to know is that Weight Loss

Surgery (WLS) is NOT the answer to your problems. It

should only be considered as an absolute last resort

and only after the medical problems are resolved as

best they can be. It has a higher " success " rate than

diet alone, but it's still not more than 60%. They

count the surgery a " success " if you survive the

initial operation. They don't consider the

complications than can occur and turn around and blame

them on the patient most of the time even though the

surgery is, at best, surgically induced malnutrition

and is, IMO, a mutilation of the body. I've known too

many people who have died from both short term and

long term complications. The best and really only way

to keep a handle on your weight is to eat as healthily

as you can and try to get some activity that you can

tolerate to help tone up. I dieted my way right on up

the scale to over 500 lbs at the age of 38 and finally

stopped dieting totally 6 years ago and finally

stopped gaining weight. I even took the drug Redux

for a year and stopped taking it when the news about

the fen/phen combination started coming out and before

it was taken off the market. I've stabilized now at

between 415 & 430 lbs and I'm also 5'9 " . WLS is still

in the experimental stages and is absolutely NOT a

cure all for weight problems. I won't say I'll never

consider it, especially since new developements are

discovered all the time, but it's not something I'll

consider unless I have absolutely no other choice. My

reason for being hypo has never been diagnosed, but I

believe it was because I was born severely prematurely

and my metabolism never fully developed. My " normal "

body temperature has been between 97 and 97.6 all my

life (I'm now 45) and I'd always been chubbier than my

classmates when I was young. I was also never

encouraged to be active like my brothers, but all of

us tend towards the larger size, I'm just the largest.

Hang in there Misty and try to eat what you can that

is on the healthy side. Treats are fine in

moderation, which I still have problems with

sometimes. I made the mistake last week of coming

home from work and grabbing a new box of triscut

crackers and pimento cheese for a snack while sitting

at the computer. Normally I would put a few crackers

on a plate or napkin and spread the cheese on them,

but didn't feel like taking the time to do it that

way. I wound up eating over half the box of crackers

and half of the container of pimento cheese. NOT a

good thing, but I know I won't solve anything by

beating myself up over it. All I can do is go from

here and try to do it better the next time.

Kathy >^,,^<

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[Guest guest]

I did atkins with NO weight loss while people around me were shrinking

.. I finally got my armour optimized and the weight came off just

fine. Funny, when the doc screwed me up I immediately gained 30 pounds.

Back to the drawing board!

8)

>

> Hi ladies -

>

> Been a while since I wrote - we had an emergency move

> due to toxic mold... Not fun but our new place is

> nice.

>

> Question - I have been doing Atkins Induction phase

> for 7 days now and I don't see any " dramatic weight

> loss. " (I toy with the same 2 pounds eternally) My

> bbt is still in the high 96 to low 97 (97.1 highest)

> and my pulse is thunderous (keeps me up at night -

> regular pulse rate is around 92-108 bpm) My bp is low

> normal (110-120/70-80 ranges).

>

> Okay, so does Atkins just not work for some? I know

> my temps are still lowish, but my last set of labs

> looked fairly good:

>

> tsh - .002

> free t4 - (forgot, but they were low normal)

> free t3 -

>

> So, anyhoo, someone told me that I was hypo (hashi's

> hypo) because I let myself get fat - does obesity

> CAUSE hashi's? This bit of news makes me incrediby

> depressed - I thought that perhaps my obesity (gained

> 100 pounds in a matter of 6 months) was caused by

> hypo... Just one more thing for me to feel bad about,

> I guess..

>

>

> Atkins does allow me more energy.. But, my

> nutritionist had me on a ten food diet that excluded

> nearly everything and I lost 21 pounds in two weeks..

> I was living off of brown rice, apples, chicken, some

> veggies and pork. (She said I was allergic to tons of

> things and had a salycilite toxicity). It was a

> horrible diet because I couldn't eat out (okay, I

> could have lettuce with olive oil).

>

> All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> would be malnourished on top of everything else..

>

> Any thoughts? Please?

>

> One more thing-

>

> My meds are

>

> 20 mg Celexa (SSRI) - cannot love without it right now

> or I am constantly pissed)

>

> 27 mg concerta - stimulant to offset exhaust from meds

> and hypo

>

> 36 prevacid for horrific heartburn

>

> 2 gr Armour for Hashi's Hypo

>

> Am I just being a baby who needs to buckle down and

> get back on my ten food diet (presumably forever) or

> does anyone see anything else fishy?

>

> Background - tiny until 20s (thin and jittery); after

> pregnancy gained 100 lbs. Heart murmur dx'd at 14; h

> pylori positive (cannot tolerate antibiotics);

> presumably full of yeast - no vag yeast infections,

> but other symptoms. All women on my mom's side have

> and have had thyroid cancer, hashis, graves, etc. all

> the way back to ggm.

>

> Sorry for the length. I am pretty upset right now.

>

> M

>

>

>

> Misty

>

> msl5858@y...

>

> Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely

improve the present. It is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy future,

without fear.

>

> -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807 - 1882)

>

>

>

> __________________________________

> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> http://mail.yahoo.com

>

[Guest guest]

unfortunately I have to see a doc to maintain my temporary disability

or they stop my checks. But as soon as that is no longer an issue I

will be self treating all the way.

As it is, I take a little more than the doc thinks I do, and I will

continue to adjust the dose until I feel good again.

The funniest (?) part? The doc who screwed me up in the first place

refuses to fill out my disability papers and insists I'm well! I had

to go shopping for another doc who at least believes I'm still sick,

but I lost all those months and now am starting at the beginning.

I'm almost as heavy now as I was when I first figured out I needed to

self treat. I maintained a size 9-10 for about a year and I am now

about a 16 again. I believe I got as big as 20 the last time, so at

least I wised up before I completely gained it all back.

8(

>

> I immediately gained 30 pounds.

>

> Back to the drawing board!

>

> 8)

>

> That is a shame.. hope you get it sorted.. there is a danger of diabetes

> when we gain too much, sadly !! ( what more can they throw at us! ?

>

[Guest guest]

unfortunately I have to see a doc to maintain my temporary disability

or they stop my checks. But as soon as that is no longer an issue I

will be self treating all the way.

As it is, I take a little more than the doc thinks I do, and I will

continue to adjust the dose until I feel good again.

The funniest (?) part? The doc who screwed me up in the first place

refuses to fill out my disability papers and insists I'm well! I had

to go shopping for another doc who at least believes I'm still sick,

but I lost all those months and now am starting at the beginning.

I'm almost as heavy now as I was when I first figured out I needed to

self treat. I maintained a size 9-10 for about a year and I am now

about a 16 again. I believe I got as big as 20 the last time, so at

least I wised up before I completely gained it all back.

8(

>

> I immediately gained 30 pounds.

>

> Back to the drawing board!

>

> 8)

>

> That is a shame.. hope you get it sorted.. there is a danger of diabetes

> when we gain too much, sadly !! ( what more can they throw at us! ?

>

[Guest guest]

unfortunately I have to see a doc to maintain my temporary disability

or they stop my checks. But as soon as that is no longer an issue I

will be self treating all the way.

As it is, I take a little more than the doc thinks I do, and I will

continue to adjust the dose until I feel good again.

The funniest (?) part? The doc who screwed me up in the first place

refuses to fill out my disability papers and insists I'm well! I had

to go shopping for another doc who at least believes I'm still sick,

but I lost all those months and now am starting at the beginning.

I'm almost as heavy now as I was when I first figured out I needed to

self treat. I maintained a size 9-10 for about a year and I am now

about a 16 again. I believe I got as big as 20 the last time, so at

least I wised up before I completely gained it all back.

8(

>

> I immediately gained 30 pounds.

>

> Back to the drawing board!

>

> 8)

>

> That is a shame.. hope you get it sorted.. there is a danger of diabetes

> when we gain too much, sadly !! ( what more can they throw at us! ?

>

[Guest guest]

just a couple of thoughts about the weight issue-

i have never been thin by any means. i have awful weight shifts

according to meds. when meds are off i can gain 15 lbs in 2 weeks.

back when i was first switched off of generic and onto synthroid i

lost 34 lbs in like 6 weeks. then i was forced back onto generic and

i gained back about 28. now i am back on synthroid and losing.

terrible cycle. you should see my closet! i have 3 different pant

sizes that i juggle. however, when i had my kids all the pregnancy

weight literally fell off. wierd. what frustrates me is that 1 doc

will say eat less (i swear, i really am not a huge eater to begin

with, though i may eat the wrong things...), another doc will say i

need to eat more to keep metabolism moving lol. the impression i get

here is to eat smaller portions more frequently, right? mini-meals?

can someone give me an idea of a good portion size for a mini-meal?

also, would a gastric bypass be a bad idea for say someone who is

hypo considering that need to keep metab moving all the time? would

it defeat the purpose in the end? finally, one more question- no

matter what i do, my body doesnt EVER get under 227 lbs- almost like

that is my body's programmed normal weight. is that possible? i

would desperately love to get down to 200, havent seen that number

since i was 15 or so, almost 15 years. thanx

peachy (angie)

>

> I did atkins with NO weight loss while people around me were

shrinking

> . I finally got my armour optimized and the weight came off just

> fine. Funny, when the doc screwed me up I immediately gained 30

pounds.

> > All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> > bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> > fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> > dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> > thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> > without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> > problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> > would be malnourished on top of everything else..

> > __________________________________

> > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> > http://mail.yahoo.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

just a couple of thoughts about the weight issue-

i have never been thin by any means. i have awful weight shifts

according to meds. when meds are off i can gain 15 lbs in 2 weeks.

back when i was first switched off of generic and onto synthroid i

lost 34 lbs in like 6 weeks. then i was forced back onto generic and

i gained back about 28. now i am back on synthroid and losing.

terrible cycle. you should see my closet! i have 3 different pant

sizes that i juggle. however, when i had my kids all the pregnancy

weight literally fell off. wierd. what frustrates me is that 1 doc

will say eat less (i swear, i really am not a huge eater to begin

with, though i may eat the wrong things...), another doc will say i

need to eat more to keep metabolism moving lol. the impression i get

here is to eat smaller portions more frequently, right? mini-meals?

can someone give me an idea of a good portion size for a mini-meal?

also, would a gastric bypass be a bad idea for say someone who is

hypo considering that need to keep metab moving all the time? would

it defeat the purpose in the end? finally, one more question- no

matter what i do, my body doesnt EVER get under 227 lbs- almost like

that is my body's programmed normal weight. is that possible? i

would desperately love to get down to 200, havent seen that number

since i was 15 or so, almost 15 years. thanx

peachy (angie)

>

> I did atkins with NO weight loss while people around me were

shrinking

> . I finally got my armour optimized and the weight came off just

> fine. Funny, when the doc screwed me up I immediately gained 30

pounds.

> > All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> > bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> > fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> > dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> > thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> > without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> > problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> > would be malnourished on top of everything else..

> > __________________________________

> > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> > http://mail.yahoo.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

just a couple of thoughts about the weight issue-

i have never been thin by any means. i have awful weight shifts

according to meds. when meds are off i can gain 15 lbs in 2 weeks.

back when i was first switched off of generic and onto synthroid i

lost 34 lbs in like 6 weeks. then i was forced back onto generic and

i gained back about 28. now i am back on synthroid and losing.

terrible cycle. you should see my closet! i have 3 different pant

sizes that i juggle. however, when i had my kids all the pregnancy

weight literally fell off. wierd. what frustrates me is that 1 doc

will say eat less (i swear, i really am not a huge eater to begin

with, though i may eat the wrong things...), another doc will say i

need to eat more to keep metabolism moving lol. the impression i get

here is to eat smaller portions more frequently, right? mini-meals?

can someone give me an idea of a good portion size for a mini-meal?

also, would a gastric bypass be a bad idea for say someone who is

hypo considering that need to keep metab moving all the time? would

it defeat the purpose in the end? finally, one more question- no

matter what i do, my body doesnt EVER get under 227 lbs- almost like

that is my body's programmed normal weight. is that possible? i

would desperately love to get down to 200, havent seen that number

since i was 15 or so, almost 15 years. thanx

peachy (angie)

>

> I did atkins with NO weight loss while people around me were

shrinking

> . I finally got my armour optimized and the weight came off just

> fine. Funny, when the doc screwed me up I immediately gained 30

pounds.

> > All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> > bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> > fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> > dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> > thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> > without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> > problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> > would be malnourished on top of everything else..

> > __________________________________

> > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> > http://mail.yahoo.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

US. Of course, a 9/10 isn't the same 9/10 it was when I was in high

school either! With vanity sizing I believe a 9/10 is closer to what

a 12 or 14 was a million years ago.

I know at 115 pounds in my 30s I was a 7 and too thin, but I had to go

up to about 125 to fit a 9/10, and the last time I was a 9/10 I

weighed closer to 135 or 140.

I was horrified at the scale earlier this week...I won't mention the

number

8(

>

> I maintained a size 9-10 for about a year and I am now

> about a 16 again. I believe I got as big as 20 the last time, so at

> least I wised up before I completely gained it all back.

>

> Oh yes, kick in while the going is good , you don't want to

back-pedal again

> from 20 !!!

> Are you in UK or USA ? The sizes are different aren't they..

> Glad you found a good Dr..

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

I was always 'too skinny' with no effort whatsoever. When I was about

2 months pregnant I was out with friends and the cook actually came

out of the kitchen because he didn't believe the waiter was bringing

so much food to one 'skinny little woman.'

Later in my pregnancy I became huge and I was around 200 pounds for at

least 3 years. My weight has always fluctuated by 10-20 pounds for

'no reason,' but once hypo really took hold it was crazy.

When the dumb kaiser doc took me completely off my thyroid meds I

gained 30 pounds in less than 2 weeks. The last time I was optimized

the weight just gradually melted off and stayed off with no effort.

I have no patience with people who insist I must be eating more than I

think, because I know how I used to eat when I didn't have this

problem. I also remember feeling good and having energy to burn many

years ago.

Sometimes you get tired of trying to explain it to the idiots, but if

we don't things will never change. It's just too easy to blame us

rather than admit we have a medical problem.

I maintain a 3 or 4 size closet, too, because when the weight goes up

or down, it is so fast you don't have time to prepare.

8)

> >

> > I did atkins with NO weight loss while people around me were

> shrinking

> > . I finally got my armour optimized and the weight came off just

> > fine. Funny, when the doc screwed me up I immediately gained 30

> pounds.

>

> > > All this to say, I am really considering gastric

> > > bypass because I don't want to go into my thirties

> > > fat. I am 5'9 " and 288-293 lbs. I am almost 29 (in

> > > dec) so it would give me a year to take it off. Any

> > > thoughts on lapbands or bypasses? My fear is that

> > > without taking care of the hypo and other mitigating

> > > problems, weight loss surgery will fail. And then I

> > > would be malnourished on top of everything else..

> > > __________________________________

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> > > http://mail.yahoo.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have the hardest time deciding what to eat! I heard peanut butter

was bad for hypos, and I used to eat a half bagel with peanut butter

as a snack.

I often get that sick feeling in my stomach that tells me 'I needed

food 15 minutes ago!' but nothing sounds good to me.

What kind of things would be good, fast, mini meals? In the old days

I could eat whatever I wanted so I just grabbed whatever was handy,

but now I'm more concerned with what might be healthy.

8(

>

> You have a few questions here.. but I'm just gonna jump in on one of

> them.... mini meals....

>

> I've been doing mini meals... oh wow... two years this month!... I spent

> gobs and gobs of hours setting up spread sheets and measuring foods and

> measuring and calculating ingredients in my scratch cooking to come up

> with calorie counts and totals and such....

>

> Basically I boiled it down to some simple visuals....

>

> If I'm eating average stuff... meat, starch, vegie.... the meat portion

> is about what would fit in a 1/3 cup measuring cup, same with the vegie

> part, the starch part is 2/3 of a cup to 1 cup.

>

> That combo works for me... enough meat and fat for sustained energy,

> enough carb to satisfy hunger and quick energy and vegies for nutrition

> and roughage....

>

> If I'm doing a hot dish/casserole type thing... I do 1 1/2 cups of the

> mixture as a portion....

>

> If I'm doing high calorie stuff... like cake, donut, pie... etc... it's

> limited to about 200 calories... to do that with cake, for instance. I

> bake the cakes on half sheet pans and cut length wise into quarters..

> then build my really long and skinny four layer cake.. that cake is then

> cut into 31 slices.... One slice is a portion.

>

> A piece of cake would then replace one mini meal... it would NOT be in

> addition to a mini meal... and when having cake..... I have to do extra

> protein and less carb the meal before and the meal after....

>

> I eat every three hours....

>

> Once I got used to this, and have stuck to it for so long, I found that

> I'm just getting hungry when it's time to eat.... For a LONG time I

> wasn't hungry yet at meal time... but I ate cuz it was time.... the fact

> that I'm now slightly hungry at meal time suggests to me that I'm

burning

> up more calories as fuel....

>

> I'm more active now.... but I'm dealing with the blasted lymph... I'm

> still waaaay smaller than I was... I'll be double checking that when I

> dig out my leather jacket now that winter is coming .... but the lymph

> still has me weighing more than I'd like... two separate issues to deal

> with for me.... metabolic issues and fat gain/loss and lymphedema and

> fluid gain/loss.

>

> I have a page on our web site with a few comments on mini meals.

> www.thyrophoenix.com/mini-meals.htm

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:48:02 -0000 " angie " <peachyjones76@y...>

> writes:

> just a couple of thoughts about the weight issue-

> i have never been thin by any means. i have awful weight shifts

> according to meds. when meds are off i can gain 15 lbs in 2 weeks.

> back when i was first switched off of generic and onto synthroid i

> lost 34 lbs in like 6 weeks. then i was forced back onto generic and

> i gained back about 28. now i am back on synthroid and losing.

> terrible cycle. you should see my closet! i have 3 different pant

> sizes that i juggle. however, when i had my kids all the pregnancy

> weight literally fell off. wierd. what frustrates me is that 1 doc

> will say eat less (i swear, i really am not a huge eater to begin

> with, though i may eat the wrong things...), another doc will say i

> need to eat more to keep metabolism moving lol. the impression i get

> here is to eat smaller portions more frequently, right? mini-meals?

> can someone give me an idea of a good portion size for a mini-meal?

> also, would a gastric bypass be a bad idea for say someone who is

> hypo considering that need to keep metab moving all the time? would

> it defeat the purpose in the end? finally, one more question- no

> matter what i do, my body doesnt EVER get under 227 lbs- almost like

> that is my body's programmed normal weight. is that possible? i

> would desperately love to get down to 200, havent seen that number

> since i was 15 or so, almost 15 years. thanx

> peachy (angie)

>

[Guest guest]

yes exactly, there is no preparing for it. i tend to lose on my

waist first (god forbid should i lose a pound or 2 from my ass lol)

and i am 5'3 1/2 " tall, well short... i can wear a pair of jeans,

wash them and try to wear them a week later and i'm rolling the

waist over just so that i dont fall over my cuffs. i am so glad to

hear that it's not just me. don't get me wrong, it is GREAT going

shopping for new pants because nothing fits and they are too BIG...

what stinks is not knowing if you'll get into the new ones in

another 3 weeks! :-(

> >

i have awful weight shifts

> > according to meds. when meds are off i can gain 15 lbs in 2

weeks.

> > back when i was first switched off of generic and onto synthroid

> > lost 34 lbs in like 6 weeks. then i was forced back onto generic

> > i gained back about 28. now i am back on synthroid and losing.

> > terrible cycle. you should see my closet! i have 3 different

> > sizes that i juggle. however, when i had my kids all the

> > > > __________________________________

> > > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> > > > http://mail.yahoo.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

yes exactly, there is no preparing for it. i tend to lose on my

waist first (god forbid should i lose a pound or 2 from my ass lol)

and i am 5'3 1/2 " tall, well short... i can wear a pair of jeans,

wash them and try to wear them a week later and i'm rolling the

waist over just so that i dont fall over my cuffs. i am so glad to

hear that it's not just me. don't get me wrong, it is GREAT going

shopping for new pants because nothing fits and they are too BIG...

what stinks is not knowing if you'll get into the new ones in

another 3 weeks! :-(

> >

i have awful weight shifts

> > according to meds. when meds are off i can gain 15 lbs in 2

weeks.

> > back when i was first switched off of generic and onto synthroid

> > lost 34 lbs in like 6 weeks. then i was forced back onto generic

> > i gained back about 28. now i am back on synthroid and losing.

> > terrible cycle. you should see my closet! i have 3 different

> > sizes that i juggle. however, when i had my kids all the

> > > > __________________________________

> > > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> > > > http://mail.yahoo.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

yes exactly, there is no preparing for it. i tend to lose on my

waist first (god forbid should i lose a pound or 2 from my ass lol)

and i am 5'3 1/2 " tall, well short... i can wear a pair of jeans,

wash them and try to wear them a week later and i'm rolling the

waist over just so that i dont fall over my cuffs. i am so glad to

hear that it's not just me. don't get me wrong, it is GREAT going

shopping for new pants because nothing fits and they are too BIG...

what stinks is not knowing if you'll get into the new ones in

another 3 weeks! :-(

> >

i have awful weight shifts

> > according to meds. when meds are off i can gain 15 lbs in 2

weeks.

> > back when i was first switched off of generic and onto synthroid

> > lost 34 lbs in like 6 weeks. then i was forced back onto generic

> > i gained back about 28. now i am back on synthroid and losing.

> > terrible cycle. you should see my closet! i have 3 different

> > sizes that i juggle. however, when i had my kids all the

> > > > __________________________________

> > > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> > > > http://mail.yahoo.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

back on it, but raising slowly is taking soooo much time. It's so

frustrating, but I remember how long I held onto the weight last time,

so I know there's hope. I just wish I could go up to 5 grains TODAY!!!!

8(

>

> LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY - that's what I like to hear about the weight

coming off when you got the armour optimised LOL! Yes, I did the

Atkins diet (recommended by the doctor I had then) and gained weight

wonderfully, before I was on armour. Can you not go back on armour

Patty? Love Chris

[Guest guest]

back on it, but raising slowly is taking soooo much time. It's so

frustrating, but I remember how long I held onto the weight last time,

so I know there's hope. I just wish I could go up to 5 grains TODAY!!!!

8(

>

> LOVELY LOVELY LOVELY - that's what I like to hear about the weight

coming off when you got the armour optimised LOL! Yes, I did the

Atkins diet (recommended by the doctor I had then) and gained weight

wonderfully, before I was on armour. Can you not go back on armour

Patty? Love Chris

[Guest guest]

yeah, if you still have any clothes packed away from high school,

compare them to the 'same' size now...it will blow your mind.

I also like the way 3 size 12 levis in the same style are nowhere near

the same size even if you bought them at the same store in the same 6

month period!

8(

>

>

> Giggle.. it is a shame really as we have been conned into believing

we were

> still as slim as we were !!

> I just found out in American sizes I am Miss Petite 20 !!!

>

[Guest guest]

yeah, if you still have any clothes packed away from high school,

compare them to the 'same' size now...it will blow your mind.

I also like the way 3 size 12 levis in the same style are nowhere near

the same size even if you bought them at the same store in the same 6

month period!

8(

>

>

> Giggle.. it is a shame really as we have been conned into believing

we were

> still as slim as we were !!

> I just found out in American sizes I am Miss Petite 20 !!!

>