Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Hi and thanks for all the posts on treating adrenals/Cortef/Isocort. I've been trying Florinef added to the Cortef without much luck. I've even gone up to 20mg with Cortef and am still tired all the time. Seems like the Florinef makes me *more* tired! I noticed someone said people usually either take Cortef or Isocort but don't mix them and I'm wondering if anyone had switched from Cortef to Isocort and had good results. Something has to get me going. I feel like I'm watching my life drift by... Thanks, :^) Alessa PS Thanks too for the posts on improvements. It's so nice to hear the progress. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Alessa the florinef supports your adrenals in other ways than cortef (regulates sodium / potassium, frequent urination) and overall you should be feeling better. If you are feeling more tired it's possible that you're suppressing your adrenal function by more than you are replacing. There is a view that for real adrenal insufficiency you need to be taking a replacement dose of 25-30mg cortef a day, maybe more. Are you taking thyroid meds aswell? These will 'use up' the cortef in order to function properly, leaving you with less to function. You will get more info on these forums. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adrenalfatigue/ Isocort is much weaker than cortef, and I wouldn't recommend switching to it if you are still tired on cortef. Nicola -- In frequent-dose-chelation , Alessa wrote: > > Hi and thanks for all the posts on treating adrenals/Cortef/Isocort. > I've been trying Florinef added to the Cortef without much luck. I've > even gone up to 20mg with Cortef and am still tired all the time. Seems > like the Florinef makes me *more* tired! > I noticed someone said people usually either take Cortef or Isocort but > don't mix them and I'm wondering if anyone had switched from Cortef to > Isocort and had good results. > Something has to get me going. I feel like I'm watching my life drift > by... > Thanks, > :^) > Alessa > > PS Thanks too for the posts on improvements. It's so nice to hear the progress. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 I had a urine test which showed low aldosterone - the hormone that florinef replaces. I had frequent and high-volume urination, couldn't stand for more than a few minutes, low blood pressure, nearly fainted on standing up. I wouldn't take the decision to take it myself - you should have proper testing for cortisol and aldosterone before you go on these drugs. Nicola Wouldn't you be better of taking Isocort considering it contains cortisol and aldosterone? But if it has a standardized dose of Isocort of 2.5mg cortisol, how much aldosterone does it contain? Moreover can anybody explain the difference between a 'desiccated gland' and a 'glandular? I still don't get it. We are unable to get desiccated glands like Armour and Isocort in South Africa. But we can get hold of 'glandular like Thyroid glandular and Adrenal glandular, although the are called Cytotrophins. They contain 200mg of Adrenal and Thyroid 'Substance' USP, bovine, 200mg and are made by a company called Enzyme Process www.enzymeprocess.com) If anybody understands the difference I would be grateful to be informed. I sort of get the impression that the 'desiccated glands' contain the hormones, while the glandular only contain the cellular structure and peptides. But I really don't get it. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 I had a urine test which showed low aldosterone - the hormone that florinef replaces. I had frequent and high-volume urination, couldn't stand for more than a few minutes, low blood pressure, nearly fainted on standing up. I wouldn't take the decision to take it myself - you should have proper testing for cortisol and aldosterone before you go on these drugs. Nicola Wouldn't you be better of taking Isocort considering it contains cortisol and aldosterone? But if it has a standardized dose of Isocort of 2.5mg cortisol, how much aldosterone does it contain? Moreover can anybody explain the difference between a 'desiccated gland' and a 'glandular? I still don't get it. We are unable to get desiccated glands like Armour and Isocort in South Africa. But we can get hold of 'glandular like Thyroid glandular and Adrenal glandular, although the are called Cytotrophins. They contain 200mg of Adrenal and Thyroid 'Substance' USP, bovine, 200mg and are made by a company called Enzyme Process www.enzymeprocess.com) If anybody understands the difference I would be grateful to be informed. I sort of get the impression that the 'desiccated glands' contain the hormones, while the glandular only contain the cellular structure and peptides. But I really don't get it. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Thanks for the infor Nicola. I don't think I had ever heard of what testing and symptoms before. And no, I would not try to take it on my own.------Jackie T. Re: Treating adrenals > > > Alessa > > the florinef supports your adrenals in other ways than cortef > (regulates sodium / potassium, frequent urination) and overall you > should be feeling better. If you are feeling more tired it's possible > that you're suppressing your adrenal function by more than you are > replacing. There is a view that for real adrenal insufficiency you > need to be taking a replacement dose of 25-30mg cortef a day, maybe > more. Are you taking thyroid meds aswell? These will 'use up' the > cortef in order to function properly, leaving you with less to > function. You will get more info on these forums. > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adrenalfatigue/ > > Isocort is much weaker than cortef, and I wouldn't recommend > switching to it if you are still tired on cortef. > > Nicola > > -- In frequent-dose-chelation , Alessa <foralessa@> > wrote: > > > > Hi and thanks for all the posts on treating adrenals/Cortef/Isocort. > > I've been trying Florinef added to the Cortef without much luck. > I've > > even gone up to 20mg with Cortef and am still tired all the time. > Seems > > like the Florinef makes me *more* tired! > > I noticed someone said people usually either take Cortef or Isocort > but > > don't mix them and I'm wondering if anyone had switched from Cortef > to > > Isocort and had good results. > > Something has to get me going. I feel like I'm watching my life > drift > > by... > > Thanks, > > :^) > > Alessa > > > > PS Thanks too for the posts on improvements. It's so nice to hear > the progress. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Thanks for the infor Nicola. I don't think I had ever heard of what testing and symptoms before. And no, I would not try to take it on my own.------Jackie T. Re: Treating adrenals > > > Alessa > > the florinef supports your adrenals in other ways than cortef > (regulates sodium / potassium, frequent urination) and overall you > should be feeling better. If you are feeling more tired it's possible > that you're suppressing your adrenal function by more than you are > replacing. There is a view that for real adrenal insufficiency you > need to be taking a replacement dose of 25-30mg cortef a day, maybe > more. Are you taking thyroid meds aswell? These will 'use up' the > cortef in order to function properly, leaving you with less to > function. You will get more info on these forums. > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adrenalfatigue/ > > Isocort is much weaker than cortef, and I wouldn't recommend > switching to it if you are still tired on cortef. > > Nicola > > -- In frequent-dose-chelation , Alessa <foralessa@> > wrote: > > > > Hi and thanks for all the posts on treating adrenals/Cortef/Isocort. > > I've been trying Florinef added to the Cortef without much luck. > I've > > even gone up to 20mg with Cortef and am still tired all the time. > Seems > > like the Florinef makes me *more* tired! > > I noticed someone said people usually either take Cortef or Isocort > but > > don't mix them and I'm wondering if anyone had switched from Cortef > to > > Isocort and had good results. > > Something has to get me going. I feel like I'm watching my life > drift > > by... > > Thanks, > > :^) > > Alessa > > > > PS Thanks too for the posts on improvements. It's so nice to hear > the progress. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dean Isocort contains 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, but does NOT contain aldosterone - these are the ingredients Ingredients:Freeze dried Adrenal Cortex (Soluble Fractionation), Echinacea Exrtact, Prunus spp. and Lomatium Dissectum Root Isolate (Kreb Concentrate-2%) in a pellett base of Lactose and Lactase. Can't help you on the glandular question, I'm afraid. Nicola > > Wouldn't you be better of taking Isocort considering it contains cortisol and aldosterone? > But if it has a standardized dose of Isocort of 2.5mg cortisol, how much aldosterone does it contain? > > Moreover can anybody explain the difference between a 'desiccated gland' and a 'glandular? > I still don't get it. > We are unable to get desiccated glands like Armour and Isocort in South Africa. > But we can get hold of 'glandular like Thyroid glandular and Adrenal glandular, although the are called Cytotrophins. They contain 200mg of Adrenal and Thyroid 'Substance' USP, bovine, 200mg and are made by a company called Enzyme Process www.enzymeprocess.com) > > If anybody understands the difference I would be grateful to be informed. > I sort of get the impression that the 'desiccated glands' contain the hormones, while the glandular only contain the cellular structure and peptides. > But I really don't get it. > > Thanks, > Dean > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dean Isocort contains 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet, but does NOT contain aldosterone - these are the ingredients Ingredients:Freeze dried Adrenal Cortex (Soluble Fractionation), Echinacea Exrtact, Prunus spp. and Lomatium Dissectum Root Isolate (Kreb Concentrate-2%) in a pellett base of Lactose and Lactase. Can't help you on the glandular question, I'm afraid. Nicola > > Wouldn't you be better of taking Isocort considering it contains cortisol and aldosterone? > But if it has a standardized dose of Isocort of 2.5mg cortisol, how much aldosterone does it contain? > > Moreover can anybody explain the difference between a 'desiccated gland' and a 'glandular? > I still don't get it. > We are unable to get desiccated glands like Armour and Isocort in South Africa. > But we can get hold of 'glandular like Thyroid glandular and Adrenal glandular, although the are called Cytotrophins. They contain 200mg of Adrenal and Thyroid 'Substance' USP, bovine, 200mg and are made by a company called Enzyme Process www.enzymeprocess.com) > > If anybody understands the difference I would be grateful to be informed. > I sort of get the impression that the 'desiccated glands' contain the hormones, while the glandular only contain the cellular structure and peptides. > But I really don't get it. > > Thanks, > Dean > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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