Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 At 09:22 PM 7/2/00 -0700, Lynn Glessner wrote: >Please don't try a home birth if your baby does not turn. There is a >reason that midwifes are not allowed to do a breach delivery! I also had a >breach baby who wouldn't turn. In researching my situation I heard far too >many horror stories about babies becoming brain damaged during birth >because they could not get the head out quickly enough during the vaginal >delivery. They start requiring oxygen when the embilical cord hits the >air, so they can't have *any* delay getting the shoulders and head out >shortly after or they suffer oxygen deprivation. Babies do not require oxygen when the cord hits the air. Where did you get that idea? I think a home delivery and the responsible care of a breech situation is a very personal decision, and I would never try to make it for anyone. You will always find tons of horror stories about every pregnancy situation, the U.S. culture promotes it. Where do you live that midwives can't deliver breeches? We aren't prohibited here in Nevada and vaginal breech delivery *can* be very safe depending on the circumstances. breech is the most favorable of the breech presentations for vaginal delivery. We have been having babies for thousands of years with midwives delivering babies, breech included, but we have only been doing Cesarean sections (on women who were alive) for about a hundred years. If anyone is interested in the history of the Cesarean section here is a great link: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/cesarean_1.html Alana Millman Apprentice Midwife ;-) Don't offer excuses... Your friends don't need them, And others won't believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 At 09:22 PM 7/2/00 -0700, Lynn Glessner wrote: >Please don't try a home birth if your baby does not turn. There is a >reason that midwifes are not allowed to do a breach delivery! I also had a >breach baby who wouldn't turn. In researching my situation I heard far too >many horror stories about babies becoming brain damaged during birth >because they could not get the head out quickly enough during the vaginal >delivery. They start requiring oxygen when the embilical cord hits the >air, so they can't have *any* delay getting the shoulders and head out >shortly after or they suffer oxygen deprivation. Babies do not require oxygen when the cord hits the air. Where did you get that idea? I think a home delivery and the responsible care of a breech situation is a very personal decision, and I would never try to make it for anyone. You will always find tons of horror stories about every pregnancy situation, the U.S. culture promotes it. Where do you live that midwives can't deliver breeches? We aren't prohibited here in Nevada and vaginal breech delivery *can* be very safe depending on the circumstances. breech is the most favorable of the breech presentations for vaginal delivery. We have been having babies for thousands of years with midwives delivering babies, breech included, but we have only been doing Cesarean sections (on women who were alive) for about a hundred years. If anyone is interested in the history of the Cesarean section here is a great link: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/cesarean_1.html Alana Millman Apprentice Midwife ;-) Don't offer excuses... Your friends don't need them, And others won't believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 At 09:22 PM 7/2/00 -0700, Lynn Glessner wrote: >Please don't try a home birth if your baby does not turn. There is a >reason that midwifes are not allowed to do a breach delivery! I also had a >breach baby who wouldn't turn. In researching my situation I heard far too >many horror stories about babies becoming brain damaged during birth >because they could not get the head out quickly enough during the vaginal >delivery. They start requiring oxygen when the embilical cord hits the >air, so they can't have *any* delay getting the shoulders and head out >shortly after or they suffer oxygen deprivation. Babies do not require oxygen when the cord hits the air. Where did you get that idea? I think a home delivery and the responsible care of a breech situation is a very personal decision, and I would never try to make it for anyone. You will always find tons of horror stories about every pregnancy situation, the U.S. culture promotes it. Where do you live that midwives can't deliver breeches? We aren't prohibited here in Nevada and vaginal breech delivery *can* be very safe depending on the circumstances. breech is the most favorable of the breech presentations for vaginal delivery. We have been having babies for thousands of years with midwives delivering babies, breech included, but we have only been doing Cesarean sections (on women who were alive) for about a hundred years. If anyone is interested in the history of the Cesarean section here is a great link: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/cesarean_1.html Alana Millman Apprentice Midwife ;-) Don't offer excuses... Your friends don't need them, And others won't believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 I appologize for any misinformation. I don't have the reference available any longer on the oxygen part, but it was medical source, as were the conditions in which a vaginal breech delivery was allowed. I did *lots* of research since I wanted to be sure that a planned c-section was really necessary Please tell me so that I know for next time - when does the baby attempt to breathe? For example, with water birth and breech delivery. I agree that home delivery is a personal decision (and said as much). Here in WA state a midwife is not allowed to do a breach delivery, and apparently in the original poster's state as well. That does not mean that it is always dangerous or that midwifes are lower skilled that an OB. We are definately a litigous society, and everyone wants to CYA or they will be sued. However, you cannot argue the fact that if for some circumstances midwives and/or doctors are not allowed to perform a vaginal breech delivery then it must be *relatively* more risky than a non-breach delivery. As far as midwives doing breech deliveries for centuries, that kind of argument never held much weight for me. We lived without electricity for centuries too. Although in modern society we definately went to the other extreme and have more medical intervention than necessary now, we also save many women and babies' lives, so I think it is worth it. I am sorry if my post appeared negative toward midwifes, or that home birth was unsafe. I did not mean to imply that!! I still feel that it was worth offending people for the slim chance that the poster might have unintentionally put herself in a high risk position, though. You wanna know why I personally don't want a home birth? It has nothing to do with safety, I don't want to be stressing about cleaning my house when labor starts I have nothing against home birth and midwifes in principle, it's just my own quirkiness. Lynn Re: breech deliveries > At 09:22 PM 7/2/00 -0700, Lynn Glessner wrote: > >Please don't try a home birth if your baby does not turn. There is a > >reason that midwifes are not allowed to do a breach delivery! I also had a > >breach baby who wouldn't turn. In researching my situation I heard far too > >many horror stories about babies becoming brain damaged during birth > >because they could not get the head out quickly enough during the vaginal > >delivery. They start requiring oxygen when the embilical cord hits the > >air, so they can't have *any* delay getting the shoulders and head out > >shortly after or they suffer oxygen deprivation. > > Babies do not require oxygen when the cord hits the air. Where did you get > that idea? I think a home delivery and the responsible care of a breech > situation is a very personal decision, and I would never try to make it for > anyone. You will always find tons of horror stories about every pregnancy > situation, the U.S. culture promotes it. Where do you live that midwives > can't deliver breeches? We aren't prohibited here in Nevada and vaginal > breech delivery *can* be very safe depending on the circumstances. > breech is the most favorable of the breech presentations for vaginal > delivery. We have been having babies for thousands of years with midwives > delivering babies, breech included, but we have only been doing Cesarean > sections (on women who were alive) for about a hundred years. If anyone is > interested in the history of the Cesarean section here is a great link: > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/cesarean_1.html > Alana Millman > Apprentice Midwife ;-) > > Don't offer excuses... > Your friends don't need them, > And others won't believe them. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and find your ancestors now. > Search over 550 million names and trace your family tree today. Click here: > http://click./1/6254/0/_/410002/_/962648882/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed! > http://www.lactivist.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 I also know of a woman who delivered a breech baby unassisted. The baby came feet first (I don't know the exact term for that)- and she simply stood up, and let it slide out. There are TONS of stories about women safely birthing breech babies. Whenever I hear a birth " horror " story- I always keep in mind that there is always " more " to the story- like the lady who had a C section after 10 days of labor......she was induced before her term was up! OR- the lady with broken blood vessels all over her face whose baby had to be delivered via forceps.....She was completely drugged and forced to PUSH for hours before her doctor decided she was too drugged to do it and had to actually " extract " the child.........OR- the lady whose baby died during a breech delivery- She had an uninformed OB who insisted she lie on her back strapped to monitors. There ARE way to go about turning the baby, but birth itself is a normal, perfect process that rarely " goes wrong " when left to its own devices. IMHO- a hospital is the WORST place to deliver a breech baby, (or any baby but that's beside the point) because you're almost guaranteed a Csection- even though the contractions of labor themselves are often enough to turn the baby. I feel very strongly about childbirth, and I have spent the past half hour researching to find ANYTHING that states ANYTHING about " air hitting the cord " and I have decided (as my instincts told me) that this is complete BS. The cord itself contains no nerve endings, or nerves period. The blood pumping through it is completely sealed off and there's no way the cord would " know " that it was " hitting the air " . I'm sorry to burst your bubble here, please avoid mainstream websites written by profit-hungry OB's and their organizations when you 'research " these sorts of things. here are a few good places to start: www.unassisted childbirth.com www.birthlove.com www.home-birth.org www.compleatmother.com www.alternamoms.com www.kjv.com/family http://members.home.net/lmommy/articles.html Enjoy, and best wishes. I'm also interested in the Washington State law the prevents a midwife from delivering a breech baby. We LOVE Seattle and are trying so hard to get back there before the baby is born. Let me know if you have a web link for this info-----thanks! Mommy to Emilee (6) Meagan (3) and new baby, due 12-00 Contribute to the get-us-and-our-innocent-children-out-of-this-terrible-desert fund! Read my articles at Themestream, I get paid for it! And you could too.... http://themestream.com/gspd_browse/author/view_author_info.gsp?auth_id=56568 Thank You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 I also know of a woman who delivered a breech baby unassisted. The baby came feet first (I don't know the exact term for that)- and she simply stood up, and let it slide out. There are TONS of stories about women safely birthing breech babies. Whenever I hear a birth " horror " story- I always keep in mind that there is always " more " to the story- like the lady who had a C section after 10 days of labor......she was induced before her term was up! OR- the lady with broken blood vessels all over her face whose baby had to be delivered via forceps.....She was completely drugged and forced to PUSH for hours before her doctor decided she was too drugged to do it and had to actually " extract " the child.........OR- the lady whose baby died during a breech delivery- She had an uninformed OB who insisted she lie on her back strapped to monitors. There ARE way to go about turning the baby, but birth itself is a normal, perfect process that rarely " goes wrong " when left to its own devices. IMHO- a hospital is the WORST place to deliver a breech baby, (or any baby but that's beside the point) because you're almost guaranteed a Csection- even though the contractions of labor themselves are often enough to turn the baby. I feel very strongly about childbirth, and I have spent the past half hour researching to find ANYTHING that states ANYTHING about " air hitting the cord " and I have decided (as my instincts told me) that this is complete BS. The cord itself contains no nerve endings, or nerves period. The blood pumping through it is completely sealed off and there's no way the cord would " know " that it was " hitting the air " . I'm sorry to burst your bubble here, please avoid mainstream websites written by profit-hungry OB's and their organizations when you 'research " these sorts of things. here are a few good places to start: www.unassisted childbirth.com www.birthlove.com www.home-birth.org www.compleatmother.com www.alternamoms.com www.kjv.com/family http://members.home.net/lmommy/articles.html Enjoy, and best wishes. I'm also interested in the Washington State law the prevents a midwife from delivering a breech baby. We LOVE Seattle and are trying so hard to get back there before the baby is born. Let me know if you have a web link for this info-----thanks! Mommy to Emilee (6) Meagan (3) and new baby, due 12-00 Contribute to the get-us-and-our-innocent-children-out-of-this-terrible-desert fund! Read my articles at Themestream, I get paid for it! And you could too.... http://themestream.com/gspd_browse/author/view_author_info.gsp?auth_id=56568 Thank You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 I also know of a woman who delivered a breech baby unassisted. The baby came feet first (I don't know the exact term for that)- and she simply stood up, and let it slide out. There are TONS of stories about women safely birthing breech babies. Whenever I hear a birth " horror " story- I always keep in mind that there is always " more " to the story- like the lady who had a C section after 10 days of labor......she was induced before her term was up! OR- the lady with broken blood vessels all over her face whose baby had to be delivered via forceps.....She was completely drugged and forced to PUSH for hours before her doctor decided she was too drugged to do it and had to actually " extract " the child.........OR- the lady whose baby died during a breech delivery- She had an uninformed OB who insisted she lie on her back strapped to monitors. There ARE way to go about turning the baby, but birth itself is a normal, perfect process that rarely " goes wrong " when left to its own devices. IMHO- a hospital is the WORST place to deliver a breech baby, (or any baby but that's beside the point) because you're almost guaranteed a Csection- even though the contractions of labor themselves are often enough to turn the baby. I feel very strongly about childbirth, and I have spent the past half hour researching to find ANYTHING that states ANYTHING about " air hitting the cord " and I have decided (as my instincts told me) that this is complete BS. The cord itself contains no nerve endings, or nerves period. The blood pumping through it is completely sealed off and there's no way the cord would " know " that it was " hitting the air " . I'm sorry to burst your bubble here, please avoid mainstream websites written by profit-hungry OB's and their organizations when you 'research " these sorts of things. here are a few good places to start: www.unassisted childbirth.com www.birthlove.com www.home-birth.org www.compleatmother.com www.alternamoms.com www.kjv.com/family http://members.home.net/lmommy/articles.html Enjoy, and best wishes. I'm also interested in the Washington State law the prevents a midwife from delivering a breech baby. We LOVE Seattle and are trying so hard to get back there before the baby is born. Let me know if you have a web link for this info-----thanks! Mommy to Emilee (6) Meagan (3) and new baby, due 12-00 Contribute to the get-us-and-our-innocent-children-out-of-this-terrible-desert fund! Read my articles at Themestream, I get paid for it! And you could too.... http://themestream.com/gspd_browse/author/view_author_info.gsp?auth_id=56568 Thank You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 Thanks for the education! My breach baby was my first, hopefully my subsequent children will not be breech also, but just in case.... If I was misinformed about the midwife in WA state issue as well, someone please let me know. I know that my OB would not do a vaginal birth if my 2nd were to be breach, and I may be tempted to try and find someone to do a vbac for a breach after what I have heard. But hopefully I am just worrying about nothing. As far as getting the breech baby to turn, I tried everything and had no luck, so I have no useful suggestions. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 Thanks for the education! My breach baby was my first, hopefully my subsequent children will not be breech also, but just in case.... If I was misinformed about the midwife in WA state issue as well, someone please let me know. I know that my OB would not do a vaginal birth if my 2nd were to be breach, and I may be tempted to try and find someone to do a vbac for a breach after what I have heard. But hopefully I am just worrying about nothing. As far as getting the breech baby to turn, I tried everything and had no luck, so I have no useful suggestions. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 Thanks for the education! My breach baby was my first, hopefully my subsequent children will not be breech also, but just in case.... If I was misinformed about the midwife in WA state issue as well, someone please let me know. I know that my OB would not do a vaginal birth if my 2nd were to be breach, and I may be tempted to try and find someone to do a vbac for a breach after what I have heard. But hopefully I am just worrying about nothing. As far as getting the breech baby to turn, I tried everything and had no luck, so I have no useful suggestions. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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