Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I get the same way, hee hee. I also do poorly when i try protein rich diets.

keep well, elaine

[Guest guest]

Yum yum, I'm eating some peanut butter cookies now! :-)

" L. Buck " wrote:

> I was reading through Elaine's book again looking for

> something else when I

> came across this interesting fact:

>

> " Starvation and fasting cause decreased levels of total T3

> within 24 to 48

> hours. Free unbound T3 is also reduced due to reduced

> peripheral conversion.

> This state is reversed by carbohydrates but not by pure

> protein or fat. This

> explains the lowered T3 levels seen in carbohydrate

> restricted diets. In

> these conditions, the body appears to fall into its

> protective state of

> producing rT3, rather than T3. "

>

> My name is , and I am a carb addict. I know there

> are others here

> who share my vice. Carbs make me feel better. I love them!

> So, do you

> suppose maybe we crave carbs because our bodies sense a

> lower level of T3

> and want to boost it? (Yes, this must be the answer rather

> than because

> carbs are so yummy!) Yes, this shall be my new

> rationalization for why I

> feel the need to eat a pumpkin muffin (or any muffin, for

> that matter), or

> why I had to eat the last handful of Oreos. Yes! Yes! This

> is my story and

> I'm sticking to it!

>

> Thanks you, Elaine for my carb justification! (however

> delusional it may be)

>

> Oops, T3 must be low, feel the need to eat some Girl

> Scout Cookies!

>

>

>

> Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>

>

>

> >I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except

> that it is not a

> >specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care.

> Also, they are a

> >teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I

> would like one dr

> >to develop a relationship with and not get bounced

> around. And I know that

> >people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with

> experience and I

> >don't want to be the test case.

> >

> >Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are

> done in the

> Natural

> >Health world?

> >

> >Here is the link to the center:

> http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

> >

> >Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

> >

> >Pam B.

> >

> >

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes

> only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

> treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

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> have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are

> attached to emails.

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -----------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yum yum, I'm eating some peanut butter cookies now! :-)

" L. Buck " wrote:

> I was reading through Elaine's book again looking for

> something else when I

> came across this interesting fact:

>

> " Starvation and fasting cause decreased levels of total T3

> within 24 to 48

> hours. Free unbound T3 is also reduced due to reduced

> peripheral conversion.

> This state is reversed by carbohydrates but not by pure

> protein or fat. This

> explains the lowered T3 levels seen in carbohydrate

> restricted diets. In

> these conditions, the body appears to fall into its

> protective state of

> producing rT3, rather than T3. "

>

> My name is , and I am a carb addict. I know there

> are others here

> who share my vice. Carbs make me feel better. I love them!

> So, do you

> suppose maybe we crave carbs because our bodies sense a

> lower level of T3

> and want to boost it? (Yes, this must be the answer rather

> than because

> carbs are so yummy!) Yes, this shall be my new

> rationalization for why I

> feel the need to eat a pumpkin muffin (or any muffin, for

> that matter), or

> why I had to eat the last handful of Oreos. Yes! Yes! This

> is my story and

> I'm sticking to it!

>

> Thanks you, Elaine for my carb justification! (however

> delusional it may be)

>

> Oops, T3 must be low, feel the need to eat some Girl

> Scout Cookies!

>

>

>

> Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>

>

>

> >I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except

> that it is not a

> >specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care.

> Also, they are a

> >teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I

> would like one dr

> >to develop a relationship with and not get bounced

> around. And I know that

> >people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with

> experience and I

> >don't want to be the test case.

> >

> >Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are

> done in the

> Natural

> >Health world?

> >

> >Here is the link to the center:

> http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

> >

> >Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

> >

> >Pam B.

> >

> >

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes

> only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

> treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not

> have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are

> attached to emails.

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -----------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yum yum, I'm eating some peanut butter cookies now! :-)

" L. Buck " wrote:

> I was reading through Elaine's book again looking for

> something else when I

> came across this interesting fact:

>

> " Starvation and fasting cause decreased levels of total T3

> within 24 to 48

> hours. Free unbound T3 is also reduced due to reduced

> peripheral conversion.

> This state is reversed by carbohydrates but not by pure

> protein or fat. This

> explains the lowered T3 levels seen in carbohydrate

> restricted diets. In

> these conditions, the body appears to fall into its

> protective state of

> producing rT3, rather than T3. "

>

> My name is , and I am a carb addict. I know there

> are others here

> who share my vice. Carbs make me feel better. I love them!

> So, do you

> suppose maybe we crave carbs because our bodies sense a

> lower level of T3

> and want to boost it? (Yes, this must be the answer rather

> than because

> carbs are so yummy!) Yes, this shall be my new

> rationalization for why I

> feel the need to eat a pumpkin muffin (or any muffin, for

> that matter), or

> why I had to eat the last handful of Oreos. Yes! Yes! This

> is my story and

> I'm sticking to it!

>

> Thanks you, Elaine for my carb justification! (however

> delusional it may be)

>

> Oops, T3 must be low, feel the need to eat some Girl

> Scout Cookies!

>

>

>

> Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>

>

>

> >I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except

> that it is not a

> >specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care.

> Also, they are a

> >teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I

> would like one dr

> >to develop a relationship with and not get bounced

> around. And I know that

> >people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with

> experience and I

> >don't want to be the test case.

> >

> >Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are

> done in the

> Natural

> >Health world?

> >

> >Here is the link to the center:

> http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

> >

> >Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

> >

> >Pam B.

> >

> >

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes

> only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

> treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not

> have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are

> attached to emails.

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -----------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Yes but what does this really mean? How is rT3 different from plain old T3?

And what is this designed to do? I'm so confused!

I know that NOVA produced a program years ago that stated that COs were the

subject of an experiment in which they " voluntarily " starved so that their

tissue could be studied. This was compared to those persons who are normally

heavier and who have been on severe diets. According to that program, the

tissue samples were indistinguishable from one another.

But what is really happening here? And how does it apply to us (because it just

HAS to) in terms of why we feel the way we do when those levels are off. And

when those levels are elevated (as in hyper) there must be a compensatory

mechanism that we become used to so that when we are no longer hyper our bodies

are really confused on the cellular level. This would explain brain fog, muscle

spasms, and the rest of the stuff that seems to fit with a lowered cellular

metabolism. But, other than playing a waiting game, how do we readjust?

(Forgive me guys this is all speculation, like thinking out loud) Or, perhaps

like those with a screwed up HPA axis who can't slow down (come on most of us

have been THERE) perhaps this involves some kind of hard wiring and we have to

re-wire.

I just wish that somebody would paint the whole picture for me. And, since I'm

an impatient person by nature I'd like that yesterday please.

Just came from the grocery. I went thinking I NEEDED some cookies and then they

seemed just awful. Didn't want them. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Laurel

Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except that it is not a

>specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care. Also, they are a

>teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I would like one dr

>to develop a relationship with and not get bounced around. And I know that

>people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with experience and I

>don't want to be the test case.

>

>Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are done in the

Natural

>Health world?

>

>Here is the link to the center: http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

>

>Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

>

>Pam B.

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------

>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

endorsement of

>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Yes but what does this really mean? How is rT3 different from plain old T3?

And what is this designed to do? I'm so confused!

I know that NOVA produced a program years ago that stated that COs were the

subject of an experiment in which they " voluntarily " starved so that their

tissue could be studied. This was compared to those persons who are normally

heavier and who have been on severe diets. According to that program, the

tissue samples were indistinguishable from one another.

But what is really happening here? And how does it apply to us (because it just

HAS to) in terms of why we feel the way we do when those levels are off. And

when those levels are elevated (as in hyper) there must be a compensatory

mechanism that we become used to so that when we are no longer hyper our bodies

are really confused on the cellular level. This would explain brain fog, muscle

spasms, and the rest of the stuff that seems to fit with a lowered cellular

metabolism. But, other than playing a waiting game, how do we readjust?

(Forgive me guys this is all speculation, like thinking out loud) Or, perhaps

like those with a screwed up HPA axis who can't slow down (come on most of us

have been THERE) perhaps this involves some kind of hard wiring and we have to

re-wire.

I just wish that somebody would paint the whole picture for me. And, since I'm

an impatient person by nature I'd like that yesterday please.

Just came from the grocery. I went thinking I NEEDED some cookies and then they

seemed just awful. Didn't want them. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Laurel

Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except that it is not a

>specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care. Also, they are a

>teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I would like one dr

>to develop a relationship with and not get bounced around. And I know that

>people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with experience and I

>don't want to be the test case.

>

>Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are done in the

Natural

>Health world?

>

>Here is the link to the center: http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

>

>Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

>

>Pam B.

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------

>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

endorsement of

>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Yes but what does this really mean? How is rT3 different from plain old T3?

And what is this designed to do? I'm so confused!

I know that NOVA produced a program years ago that stated that COs were the

subject of an experiment in which they " voluntarily " starved so that their

tissue could be studied. This was compared to those persons who are normally

heavier and who have been on severe diets. According to that program, the

tissue samples were indistinguishable from one another.

But what is really happening here? And how does it apply to us (because it just

HAS to) in terms of why we feel the way we do when those levels are off. And

when those levels are elevated (as in hyper) there must be a compensatory

mechanism that we become used to so that when we are no longer hyper our bodies

are really confused on the cellular level. This would explain brain fog, muscle

spasms, and the rest of the stuff that seems to fit with a lowered cellular

metabolism. But, other than playing a waiting game, how do we readjust?

(Forgive me guys this is all speculation, like thinking out loud) Or, perhaps

like those with a screwed up HPA axis who can't slow down (come on most of us

have been THERE) perhaps this involves some kind of hard wiring and we have to

re-wire.

I just wish that somebody would paint the whole picture for me. And, since I'm

an impatient person by nature I'd like that yesterday please.

Just came from the grocery. I went thinking I NEEDED some cookies and then they

seemed just awful. Didn't want them. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Laurel

Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except that it is not a

>specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care. Also, they are a

>teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I would like one dr

>to develop a relationship with and not get bounced around. And I know that

>people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with experience and I

>don't want to be the test case.

>

>Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are done in the

Natural

>Health world?

>

>Here is the link to the center: http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

>

>Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

>

>Pam B.

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------

>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

endorsement of

>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine -

Glad I'm not the only one! I try doing more protein for myself too since

hubby's diabetic, but I just miss the carbs way too much! (Yes, I have a

secret carb stash from my spouse). Interesting fact, though, can't believe I

missed it the first few times through the book!

Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

>Hi ,

>I get the same way, hee hee. I also do poorly when i try protein rich

diets.

>keep well, elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine -

Glad I'm not the only one! I try doing more protein for myself too since

hubby's diabetic, but I just miss the carbs way too much! (Yes, I have a

secret carb stash from my spouse). Interesting fact, though, can't believe I

missed it the first few times through the book!

Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

>Hi ,

>I get the same way, hee hee. I also do poorly when i try protein rich

diets.

>keep well, elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine -

Glad I'm not the only one! I try doing more protein for myself too since

hubby's diabetic, but I just miss the carbs way too much! (Yes, I have a

secret carb stash from my spouse). Interesting fact, though, can't believe I

missed it the first few times through the book!

Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

>Hi ,

>I get the same way, hee hee. I also do poorly when i try protein rich

diets.

>keep well, elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Laurel -

The rT3 is reverse T3, and if it wasn't already confusing, rT3 is another

pathway for the deiodination of T4. Elaine's book says that T4 is normally

converted into roughly equal amounts of T3 and rT3, but sometimes rT3

predominates. rT3 is different from T3 in that it " is cleaved from the inner

ring of T4, rather than the outer ring " . rT3 is metabolized faster than T3

but is calorigenically inactive. The rT3 is not used as an energy source.

rT3 is increased in hyperT and decreased in hypoT. Also says that when the

body is in a low metabolic state, the need for T3 is decreased.

That NOVA program sounds interesting - I think I missed that one. Wish I saw

it. As for how all this affects us when levels are off, don't really know

other than we just feel wrong. And how it all gets readjusted is a mystery

to me! Most of the time, it seems pretty amazing that our bodies even work

at all with the complex interactions that occur in it!

As for the cookies, that's probably a good thing! Can't say that has ever

happened to me (not with cookies anyway - never met one I didn't like).

Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

>Hey ,

>

>Yes but what does this really mean? How is rT3 different from plain old

T3? And what is this designed to do? I'm so confused!

>

>I know that NOVA produced a program years ago that stated that COs were the

subject of an experiment in which they " voluntarily " starved so that their

tissue could be studied. This was compared to those persons who are

normally heavier and who have been on severe diets. According to that

program, the tissue samples were indistinguishable from one another.

>

>But what is really happening here? And how does it apply to us (because it

just HAS to) in terms of why we feel the way we do when those levels are

off. And when those levels are elevated (as in hyper) there must be a

compensatory mechanism that we become used to so that when we are no longer

hyper our bodies are really confused on the cellular level. This would

explain brain fog, muscle spasms, and the rest of the stuff that seems to

fit with a lowered cellular metabolism. But, other than playing a waiting

game, how do we readjust? (Forgive me guys this is all speculation, like

thinking out loud) Or, perhaps like those with a screwed up HPA axis who

can't slow down (come on most of us have been THERE) perhaps this involves

some kind of hard wiring and we have to re-wire.

>

>I just wish that somebody would paint the whole picture for me. And, since

I'm an impatient person by nature I'd like that yesterday please.

>

>Just came from the grocery. I went thinking I NEEDED some cookies and then

they seemed just awful. Didn't want them. Is this a good thing or a bad

thing?

>

>Laurel

>

> Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>

>

>>I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except that it is not a

>>specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care. Also, they are a

>>teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I would like one dr

>>to develop a relationship with and not get bounced around. And I know that

>>people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with experience and I

>>don't want to be the test case.

>>

>>Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are done in the

>Natural

>>Health world?

>>

>>Here is the link to the center: http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

>>

>>Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

>>

>>Pam B.

>>

>>

>>

>>-------------------------------------

>>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

>intended to replace expert medical care.

>>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>>----------------------------------------

>> DISCLAIMER

>>

>>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

>endorsement of

>>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

-

>-----------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Laurel -

The rT3 is reverse T3, and if it wasn't already confusing, rT3 is another

pathway for the deiodination of T4. Elaine's book says that T4 is normally

converted into roughly equal amounts of T3 and rT3, but sometimes rT3

predominates. rT3 is different from T3 in that it " is cleaved from the inner

ring of T4, rather than the outer ring " . rT3 is metabolized faster than T3

but is calorigenically inactive. The rT3 is not used as an energy source.

rT3 is increased in hyperT and decreased in hypoT. Also says that when the

body is in a low metabolic state, the need for T3 is decreased.

That NOVA program sounds interesting - I think I missed that one. Wish I saw

it. As for how all this affects us when levels are off, don't really know

other than we just feel wrong. And how it all gets readjusted is a mystery

to me! Most of the time, it seems pretty amazing that our bodies even work

at all with the complex interactions that occur in it!

As for the cookies, that's probably a good thing! Can't say that has ever

happened to me (not with cookies anyway - never met one I didn't like).

Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

>Hey ,

>

>Yes but what does this really mean? How is rT3 different from plain old

T3? And what is this designed to do? I'm so confused!

>

>I know that NOVA produced a program years ago that stated that COs were the

subject of an experiment in which they " voluntarily " starved so that their

tissue could be studied. This was compared to those persons who are

normally heavier and who have been on severe diets. According to that

program, the tissue samples were indistinguishable from one another.

>

>But what is really happening here? And how does it apply to us (because it

just HAS to) in terms of why we feel the way we do when those levels are

off. And when those levels are elevated (as in hyper) there must be a

compensatory mechanism that we become used to so that when we are no longer

hyper our bodies are really confused on the cellular level. This would

explain brain fog, muscle spasms, and the rest of the stuff that seems to

fit with a lowered cellular metabolism. But, other than playing a waiting

game, how do we readjust? (Forgive me guys this is all speculation, like

thinking out loud) Or, perhaps like those with a screwed up HPA axis who

can't slow down (come on most of us have been THERE) perhaps this involves

some kind of hard wiring and we have to re-wire.

>

>I just wish that somebody would paint the whole picture for me. And, since

I'm an impatient person by nature I'd like that yesterday please.

>

>Just came from the grocery. I went thinking I NEEDED some cookies and then

they seemed just awful. Didn't want them. Is this a good thing or a bad

thing?

>

>Laurel

>

> Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>

>

>>I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except that it is not a

>>specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care. Also, they are a

>>teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I would like one dr

>>to develop a relationship with and not get bounced around. And I know that

>>people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with experience and I

>>don't want to be the test case.

>>

>>Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are done in the

>Natural

>>Health world?

>>

>>Here is the link to the center: http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

>>

>>Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

>>

>>Pam B.

>>

>>

>>

>>-------------------------------------

>>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

>intended to replace expert medical care.

>>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>>----------------------------------------

>> DISCLAIMER

>>

>>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

>endorsement of

>>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

-

>-----------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Laurel -

The rT3 is reverse T3, and if it wasn't already confusing, rT3 is another

pathway for the deiodination of T4. Elaine's book says that T4 is normally

converted into roughly equal amounts of T3 and rT3, but sometimes rT3

predominates. rT3 is different from T3 in that it " is cleaved from the inner

ring of T4, rather than the outer ring " . rT3 is metabolized faster than T3

but is calorigenically inactive. The rT3 is not used as an energy source.

rT3 is increased in hyperT and decreased in hypoT. Also says that when the

body is in a low metabolic state, the need for T3 is decreased.

That NOVA program sounds interesting - I think I missed that one. Wish I saw

it. As for how all this affects us when levels are off, don't really know

other than we just feel wrong. And how it all gets readjusted is a mystery

to me! Most of the time, it seems pretty amazing that our bodies even work

at all with the complex interactions that occur in it!

As for the cookies, that's probably a good thing! Can't say that has ever

happened to me (not with cookies anyway - never met one I didn't like).

Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

>Hey ,

>

>Yes but what does this really mean? How is rT3 different from plain old

T3? And what is this designed to do? I'm so confused!

>

>I know that NOVA produced a program years ago that stated that COs were the

subject of an experiment in which they " voluntarily " starved so that their

tissue could be studied. This was compared to those persons who are

normally heavier and who have been on severe diets. According to that

program, the tissue samples were indistinguishable from one another.

>

>But what is really happening here? And how does it apply to us (because it

just HAS to) in terms of why we feel the way we do when those levels are

off. And when those levels are elevated (as in hyper) there must be a

compensatory mechanism that we become used to so that when we are no longer

hyper our bodies are really confused on the cellular level. This would

explain brain fog, muscle spasms, and the rest of the stuff that seems to

fit with a lowered cellular metabolism. But, other than playing a waiting

game, how do we readjust? (Forgive me guys this is all speculation, like

thinking out loud) Or, perhaps like those with a screwed up HPA axis who

can't slow down (come on most of us have been THERE) perhaps this involves

some kind of hard wiring and we have to re-wire.

>

>I just wish that somebody would paint the whole picture for me. And, since

I'm an impatient person by nature I'd like that yesterday please.

>

>Just came from the grocery. I went thinking I NEEDED some cookies and then

they seemed just awful. Didn't want them. Is this a good thing or a bad

thing?

>

>Laurel

>

> Bastyr Center for Natural Health

>

>

>>I finally have the referral from my dr. for an ND. Except that it is not a

>>specific ND, it is a center where they have Team Care. Also, they are a

>>teaching facility. This is making me a little nervous. I would like one dr

>>to develop a relationship with and not get bounced around. And I know that

>>people need to learn somewhere, but I want someone with experience and I

>>don't want to be the test case.

>>

>>Are my fears based in reality, or is this how things are done in the

>Natural

>>Health world?

>>

>>Here is the link to the center: http://www.bastyrcenter.org/center/

>>

>>Thanks for any advice or experiences you can share!

>>

>>Pam B.

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

> Elaine -

> Glad I'm not the only one! I try doing more protein for myself too since

> hubby's diabetic, but I just miss the carbs way too much! (Yes, I have a

> secret carb stash from my spouse). Interesting fact, though, can't believe I

> missed it the first few times through the book!

>

>

Hehehehehe, when the doc first diagnosed hubby with insulin resistance, I

tried doing low carb with him. Then I remembered why I went insane on the

Atkins diet the first time I tried it in the 80s. I can't do low carb.

Now that hubby has full blown Type 2 and is on medication we don't have to

do quite as low a carb as before. Lucky for me hubby has never been much

of a sweets fan and not much a fan of pasta, so I can sit down to a plate

of pasta and sauce and not feel guilty.

C

[Guest guest]

> Elaine -

> Glad I'm not the only one! I try doing more protein for myself too since

> hubby's diabetic, but I just miss the carbs way too much! (Yes, I have a

> secret carb stash from my spouse). Interesting fact, though, can't believe I

> missed it the first few times through the book!

>

>

Hehehehehe, when the doc first diagnosed hubby with insulin resistance, I

tried doing low carb with him. Then I remembered why I went insane on the

Atkins diet the first time I tried it in the 80s. I can't do low carb.

Now that hubby has full blown Type 2 and is on medication we don't have to

do quite as low a carb as before. Lucky for me hubby has never been much

of a sweets fan and not much a fan of pasta, so I can sit down to a plate

of pasta and sauce and not feel guilty.

C

[Guest guest]

> Elaine -

> Glad I'm not the only one! I try doing more protein for myself too since

> hubby's diabetic, but I just miss the carbs way too much! (Yes, I have a

> secret carb stash from my spouse). Interesting fact, though, can't believe I

> missed it the first few times through the book!

>

>

Hehehehehe, when the doc first diagnosed hubby with insulin resistance, I

tried doing low carb with him. Then I remembered why I went insane on the

Atkins diet the first time I tried it in the 80s. I can't do low carb.

Now that hubby has full blown Type 2 and is on medication we don't have to

do quite as low a carb as before. Lucky for me hubby has never been much

of a sweets fan and not much a fan of pasta, so I can sit down to a plate

of pasta and sauce and not feel guilty.

C

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thank you for the laugh. I was sitting reading your email with this great

huge grin on my face. I'm glad it is late here and everyone is in bed as

they always have a go at me for laughing and grinning whilst reading emails.

I know that we are all living with GD and trying to find 'our' normal

state, but hey you make it fun.

Thank you

Sue

Mollymook, Australia

PS. I so want Elaines book. I will have to go to the Amazon site and get it.

wrote:

>My name is , and I am a carb addict. I know there are others here

>

>who share my vice. Carbs make me feel better. I love them! So, do you

> suppose maybe we crave carbs because our bodies sense a lower level of T3

> and want to boost it? (Yes, this must be the answer rather than because

> carbs are so yummy!) Yes, this shall be my new rationalization for why I

> feel the need to eat a pumpkin muffin (or any muffin, for that matter), or

> why I had to eat the last handful of Oreos. Yes! Yes! This is my story and

> I'm sticking to it!

>

> Thanks you, Elaine for my carb justification! (however delusional it may be)

>

> feel the need to eat some Girl Scout Cookies!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thank you for the laugh. I was sitting reading your email with this great

huge grin on my face. I'm glad it is late here and everyone is in bed as

they always have a go at me for laughing and grinning whilst reading emails.

I know that we are all living with GD and trying to find 'our' normal

state, but hey you make it fun.

Thank you

Sue

Mollymook, Australia

PS. I so want Elaines book. I will have to go to the Amazon site and get it.

wrote:

>My name is , and I am a carb addict. I know there are others here

>

>who share my vice. Carbs make me feel better. I love them! So, do you

> suppose maybe we crave carbs because our bodies sense a lower level of T3

> and want to boost it? (Yes, this must be the answer rather than because

> carbs are so yummy!) Yes, this shall be my new rationalization for why I

> feel the need to eat a pumpkin muffin (or any muffin, for that matter), or

> why I had to eat the last handful of Oreos. Yes! Yes! This is my story and

> I'm sticking to it!

>

> Thanks you, Elaine for my carb justification! (however delusional it may be)

>

> feel the need to eat some Girl Scout Cookies!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue -

Glad you got a laugh out of it! I'm always giggling at something while

reading email...I think my hubby wonders what on earth we talk about here!

You'll really like Elaine's book - very informative!

If you want another good laugh, go to

http://www.mediboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000160

It's a top 10 style list put together by people with GD - wickedly funny! I

laughed so hard, it hurt!

Enjoy!

Re: Fun fact from Elaine's book

>Hi

>Thank you for the laugh. I was sitting reading your email with this great

>huge grin on my face. I'm glad it is late here and everyone is in bed as

>they always have a go at me for laughing and grinning whilst reading

emails.

>I know that we are all living with GD and trying to find 'our' normal

>state, but hey you make it fun.

>Thank you

>Sue

>Mollymook, Australia

>

>PS. I so want Elaines book. I will have to go to the Amazon site and get

it.

>

> wrote:

>>My name is , and I am a carb addict. I know there are others here

>>

>>who share my vice. Carbs make me feel better. I love them! So, do you

>> suppose maybe we crave carbs because our bodies sense a lower level of T3

>> and want to boost it? (Yes, this must be the answer rather than because

>> carbs are so yummy!) Yes, this shall be my new rationalization for why I

>> feel the need to eat a pumpkin muffin (or any muffin, for that matter),

or

>> why I had to eat the last handful of Oreos. Yes! Yes! This is my story

and

>> I'm sticking to it!

>>

>> Thanks you, Elaine for my carb justification! (however delusional it may

be)

>>

>> feel the need to eat some Girl Scout Cookies!

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

,

I have so enjoyed you decision making process, should you get labs or not???

I truly sounded like the thinking in ever increasing circles I go though most

every time.

Sorry, I didn't get back to you till now. But I just have to let you know, I

have been

cheering you on. I would get home between jobs, be exhausted, read mail, and

head out to

the next job. You sent be back out into the world with a good chuckle several

time there.

Thanks, and I am glad you are going in.

The thought that occurred to me, after Laurels excellent thoughts on how much

time we have

here on this earth......

During the time that I was on a 3 mo. schedule of labs ( which was HORRIBLE ),

it took one

full year to make the adjustments that could have been made in 3 mo. if I had

been going

in a one month intervals !!!!!! And this up over my 3 1/2 years..and you see how

I feel

like I just simply may have lost a few years of my life, unnecessarily, feeling

ucky.

I will continue typing my mantra here...* every 4 weeks ! *

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

Thank you , I will definetly head to the mediboard for that laugh.

Thanks

Sue

Mollymook, Australia

At 10:52 AM 20/03/2002 -0600, you wrote:

> Hi Sue -

>

> Glad you got a laugh out of it! I'm always giggling at som

>ethi while

> reading email...I think my hubby wonders what on earth we talk

>about here!

> You'll really like Elaine's book - very informative!

>

> If

>you want another good laugh, go to

>

>

>http://www.mediboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000160

>

>

>It's a top 10 style list put together by people with GD - wickedly funny!

>I

> laughed so hard, it hurt!

>

> Enjoy!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you , I will definetly head to the mediboard for that laugh.

Thanks

Sue

Mollymook, Australia

At 10:52 AM 20/03/2002 -0600, you wrote:

> Hi Sue -

>

> Glad you got a laugh out of it! I'm always giggling at som

>ethi while

> reading email...I think my hubby wonders what on earth we talk

>about here!

> You'll really like Elaine's book - very informative!

>

> If

>you want another good laugh, go to

>

>

>http://www.mediboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000160

>

>

>It's a top 10 style list put together by people with GD - wickedly funny!

>I

> laughed so hard, it hurt!

>

> Enjoy!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you , I will definetly head to the mediboard for that laugh.

Thanks

Sue

Mollymook, Australia

At 10:52 AM 20/03/2002 -0600, you wrote:

> Hi Sue -

>

> Glad you got a laugh out of it! I'm always giggling at som

>ethi while

> reading email...I think my hubby wonders what on earth we talk

>about here!

> You'll really like Elaine's book - very informative!

>

> If

>you want another good laugh, go to

>

>

>http://www.mediboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000160

>

>

>It's a top 10 style list put together by people with GD - wickedly funny!

>I

> laughed so hard, it hurt!

>

> Enjoy!

>

>