Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dr. Bledsoe is 100% correct. We cannot have any influence if we don't have numbers. Gene G. EMSAT > > The point is, how does this letter sound. " Sirs, my name is Yosemite Sam, LP > and I am President of the EMS Association of Texas. We represent > approximately 0.6% of EMS providers in Texas. " That will make 'em worry. > Right or wrong, organization is what is needed. EMSAT needs to get to a > critical mass to be effective and while you may be an efficient Dudman > alone, a thousand voices is a thousand times stronger than a single Dudman. > > > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Midlothian, TX > > Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com) > > Re: Lemmings > > > Odd, > > I have been a part of many forums that are making comments on this scope of > practice. GETAC is just one of them. I also know of many folks who are > submitting comments as well. > > I have looked at the EMS Association of Colorado and I certainly hope that > is not the only letter coming out of Colorado. Although EMSAC is one of the > oldest associations in the country, they represent approximately 20% of > certified Colorado personnel...although this is better than any association > in Texas, it is still not what I would call a mandate. > > I do not see EMS folks in Texas as being Lemmings and as a long-term Texas > EMS person, I take exception to your blanket statement...just because I am > not a part of some EMS Association, my individual opinion and that of my > local colleagues is not important. > > I have reviewed the comments of EMSAT as posted on their website regarding > their position on the Scope of Practice...and I truly hope they are planning > a better document to forward during the comment period. > > BTW, after examining the definition of Lemming, if the folks in Colorado are > ONLY submitting one letter from one association...I would propose they are > truly Lemmings and us Texans are the truly outspoken ones. > > I, like my forefathers in Texas, can speak for myself and will stand in > concert with those who speak in like terms...Davy Crockett didn't need the > Mountain Man Association to speak for him... > > Happy New Year, > > Dudley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Odd, I have been a part of many forums that are making comments on this scope of practice. GETAC is just one of them. I also know of many folks who are submitting comments as well. I have looked at the EMS Association of Colorado and I certainly hope that is not the only letter coming out of Colorado. Although EMSAC is one of the oldest associations in the country, they represent approximately 20% of certified Colorado personnel...although this is better than any association in Texas, it is still not what I would call a mandate. I do not see EMS folks in Texas as being Lemmings and as a long-term Texas EMS person, I take exception to your blanket statement...just because I am not a part of some EMS Association, my individual opinion and that of my local colleagues is not important. I have reviewed the comments of EMSAT as posted on their website regarding their position on the Scope of Practice...and I truly hope they are planning a better document to forward during the comment period. BTW, after examining the definition of Lemming, if the folks in Colorado are ONLY submitting one letter from one association...I would propose they are truly Lemmings and us Texans are the truly outspoken ones. I, like my forefathers in Texas, can speak for myself and will stand in concert with those who speak in like terms...Davy Crockett didn't need the Mountain Man Association to speak for him... Happy New Year, Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Odd, I have been a part of many forums that are making comments on this scope of practice. GETAC is just one of them. I also know of many folks who are submitting comments as well. I have looked at the EMS Association of Colorado and I certainly hope that is not the only letter coming out of Colorado. Although EMSAC is one of the oldest associations in the country, they represent approximately 20% of certified Colorado personnel...although this is better than any association in Texas, it is still not what I would call a mandate. I do not see EMS folks in Texas as being Lemmings and as a long-term Texas EMS person, I take exception to your blanket statement...just because I am not a part of some EMS Association, my individual opinion and that of my local colleagues is not important. I have reviewed the comments of EMSAT as posted on their website regarding their position on the Scope of Practice...and I truly hope they are planning a better document to forward during the comment period. BTW, after examining the definition of Lemming, if the folks in Colorado are ONLY submitting one letter from one association...I would propose they are truly Lemmings and us Texans are the truly outspoken ones. I, like my forefathers in Texas, can speak for myself and will stand in concert with those who speak in like terms...Davy Crockett didn't need the Mountain Man Association to speak for him... Happy New Year, Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Odd, I have been a part of many forums that are making comments on this scope of practice. GETAC is just one of them. I also know of many folks who are submitting comments as well. I have looked at the EMS Association of Colorado and I certainly hope that is not the only letter coming out of Colorado. Although EMSAC is one of the oldest associations in the country, they represent approximately 20% of certified Colorado personnel...although this is better than any association in Texas, it is still not what I would call a mandate. I do not see EMS folks in Texas as being Lemmings and as a long-term Texas EMS person, I take exception to your blanket statement...just because I am not a part of some EMS Association, my individual opinion and that of my local colleagues is not important. I have reviewed the comments of EMSAT as posted on their website regarding their position on the Scope of Practice...and I truly hope they are planning a better document to forward during the comment period. BTW, after examining the definition of Lemming, if the folks in Colorado are ONLY submitting one letter from one association...I would propose they are truly Lemmings and us Texans are the truly outspoken ones. I, like my forefathers in Texas, can speak for myself and will stand in concert with those who speak in like terms...Davy Crockett didn't need the Mountain Man Association to speak for him... Happy New Year, Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 The point is, how does this letter sound. " Sirs, my name is Yosemite Sam, LP and I am President of the EMS Association of Texas. We represent approximately 0.6% of EMS providers in Texas. " That will make 'em worry. Right or wrong, organization is what is needed. EMSAT needs to get to a critical mass to be effective and while you may be an efficient Dudman alone, a thousand voices is a thousand times stronger than a single Dudman. E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com) Re: Lemmings Odd, I have been a part of many forums that are making comments on this scope of practice. GETAC is just one of them. I also know of many folks who are submitting comments as well. I have looked at the EMS Association of Colorado and I certainly hope that is not the only letter coming out of Colorado. Although EMSAC is one of the oldest associations in the country, they represent approximately 20% of certified Colorado personnel...although this is better than any association in Texas, it is still not what I would call a mandate. I do not see EMS folks in Texas as being Lemmings and as a long-term Texas EMS person, I take exception to your blanket statement...just because I am not a part of some EMS Association, my individual opinion and that of my local colleagues is not important. I have reviewed the comments of EMSAT as posted on their website regarding their position on the Scope of Practice...and I truly hope they are planning a better document to forward during the comment period. BTW, after examining the definition of Lemming, if the folks in Colorado are ONLY submitting one letter from one association...I would propose they are truly Lemmings and us Texans are the truly outspoken ones. I, like my forefathers in Texas, can speak for myself and will stand in concert with those who speak in like terms...Davy Crockett didn't need the Mountain Man Association to speak for him... Happy New Year, Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 The point is, how does this letter sound. " Sirs, my name is Yosemite Sam, LP and I am President of the EMS Association of Texas. We represent approximately 0.6% of EMS providers in Texas. " That will make 'em worry. Right or wrong, organization is what is needed. EMSAT needs to get to a critical mass to be effective and while you may be an efficient Dudman alone, a thousand voices is a thousand times stronger than a single Dudman. E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com) Re: Lemmings Odd, I have been a part of many forums that are making comments on this scope of practice. GETAC is just one of them. I also know of many folks who are submitting comments as well. I have looked at the EMS Association of Colorado and I certainly hope that is not the only letter coming out of Colorado. Although EMSAC is one of the oldest associations in the country, they represent approximately 20% of certified Colorado personnel...although this is better than any association in Texas, it is still not what I would call a mandate. I do not see EMS folks in Texas as being Lemmings and as a long-term Texas EMS person, I take exception to your blanket statement...just because I am not a part of some EMS Association, my individual opinion and that of my local colleagues is not important. I have reviewed the comments of EMSAT as posted on their website regarding their position on the Scope of Practice...and I truly hope they are planning a better document to forward during the comment period. BTW, after examining the definition of Lemming, if the folks in Colorado are ONLY submitting one letter from one association...I would propose they are truly Lemmings and us Texans are the truly outspoken ones. I, like my forefathers in Texas, can speak for myself and will stand in concert with those who speak in like terms...Davy Crockett didn't need the Mountain Man Association to speak for him... Happy New Year, Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 20% isn't a bad percentage. If you figure about half the certified or licensed personnel in most states are really inactive, and probably half of those left are in the fire service (those represented by IAFF are unlikely to participate in a state association), 20% represents about 80% of the active, non-fire personnel. If only we had that kind of participation in EMSAT. Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P " Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing-the rest is mere sheep-herding. " ~~ Ezra Pound ~~ Don't Miss EMStock www.EMStock.com May 20-22 2005 ________________________________ From: lnmolino@... Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:28 PM To: Subject: Re: Lemmings Doc, et al, It's not just Texas, as Dudley pointed out in CO only 20% of the certified folks are in on the association and if the general association type of reality follows only about 1% of that number is active in said association and it's actually worse in Texas and even in my " home " state of NJ where you have literally tens of thousands of certified folks and only X% or XX% bothers to join let alone be active in an association. So yes the " government " will end up leading the way but we only have ourselves to blame. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) (Cell Phone) (TEEX Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 20% isn't a bad percentage. If you figure about half the certified or licensed personnel in most states are really inactive, and probably half of those left are in the fire service (those represented by IAFF are unlikely to participate in a state association), 20% represents about 80% of the active, non-fire personnel. If only we had that kind of participation in EMSAT. Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P " Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing-the rest is mere sheep-herding. " ~~ Ezra Pound ~~ Don't Miss EMStock www.EMStock.com May 20-22 2005 ________________________________ From: lnmolino@... Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:28 PM To: Subject: Re: Lemmings Doc, et al, It's not just Texas, as Dudley pointed out in CO only 20% of the certified folks are in on the association and if the general association type of reality follows only about 1% of that number is active in said association and it's actually worse in Texas and even in my " home " state of NJ where you have literally tens of thousands of certified folks and only X% or XX% bothers to join let alone be active in an association. So yes the " government " will end up leading the way but we only have ourselves to blame. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) (Cell Phone) (TEEX Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 20% isn't a bad percentage. If you figure about half the certified or licensed personnel in most states are really inactive, and probably half of those left are in the fire service (those represented by IAFF are unlikely to participate in a state association), 20% represents about 80% of the active, non-fire personnel. If only we had that kind of participation in EMSAT. Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P " Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing-the rest is mere sheep-herding. " ~~ Ezra Pound ~~ Don't Miss EMStock www.EMStock.com May 20-22 2005 ________________________________ From: lnmolino@... Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:28 PM To: Subject: Re: Lemmings Doc, et al, It's not just Texas, as Dudley pointed out in CO only 20% of the certified folks are in on the association and if the general association type of reality follows only about 1% of that number is active in said association and it's actually worse in Texas and even in my " home " state of NJ where you have literally tens of thousands of certified folks and only X% or XX% bothers to join let alone be active in an association. So yes the " government " will end up leading the way but we only have ourselves to blame. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) (Cell Phone) (TEEX Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Enough members or sponsorship to cover expected costs of operating an organization so that members will feel they are getting their money's worth. There is not any pressure to join EMSAT--but try working in a Dallas fire house without an IAFF card. E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2005 (http://www.EMStock.com) Re: Lemmings In a message dated 12/30/2004 22:41:58 Eastern Standard Time, bbledsoe@... writes: EMSAT needs to get to a critical mass to be effective Doc, So can you or anyone for that matter define " critical mass " for EMSAT? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) (Cell Phone) (TEEX Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 lnmolino@... writes: > I'll buy that but why do we need to exclude non-fire personnel? we don't exclude them. They generally exclude themselves. There are exceptions, but those few are statistically irrelevant. Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P " We must not believe the many, who say that only free people ought to be educated, but we should rather believe the philosophers who say that only the educated are free. " ~~ Epictetus ~~ Don't Miss EMStock www.EMStock.com May 20-22 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 lnmolino@... writes: > BUT on the point of the irrelevance that I have to respectfully > disagree, By irrelevant I simply mean there are so few fire-ems people who are members of EMS associations as to not make much difference. Fire folks are IAFF and most do not see the need to join a state association. Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P " The only real education comes from what goes counter to you. " ~~ Andre Gide ~~ Don't Miss EMStock www.EMStock.com May 20-22 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 lnmolino@... writes: > BUT on the point of the irrelevance that I have to respectfully > disagree, By irrelevant I simply mean there are so few fire-ems people who are members of EMS associations as to not make much difference. Fire folks are IAFF and most do not see the need to join a state association. Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P " The only real education comes from what goes counter to you. " ~~ Andre Gide ~~ Don't Miss EMStock www.EMStock.com May 20-22 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 lnmolino@... writes: > BUT on the point of the irrelevance that I have to respectfully > disagree, By irrelevant I simply mean there are so few fire-ems people who are members of EMS associations as to not make much difference. Fire folks are IAFF and most do not see the need to join a state association. Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P " The only real education comes from what goes counter to you. " ~~ Andre Gide ~~ Don't Miss EMStock www.EMStock.com May 20-22 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Good point BEB...but my point is that 10,000 letters from little dudman's would make a much bigger impression than a single letter from the dudman association of Texas representing 10,000 dudman's. Member of EMSAT, TAA, AAA, NAEMT, ABCPQRST...doesn't forgive for not being vocal and submitting your own thoughts on your own stationary. Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Good point BEB...but my point is that 10,000 letters from little dudman's would make a much bigger impression than a single letter from the dudman association of Texas representing 10,000 dudman's. Member of EMSAT, TAA, AAA, NAEMT, ABCPQRST...doesn't forgive for not being vocal and submitting your own thoughts on your own stationary. Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I take exception to your statement. I am a Lemming. Seriously, as I end the 2004 calendar year as the President Pro-Tem for the Tarrant County EMS Provider's Organization (TCEMSPO) I am calling on our members on this list to join in making our voices heard concerning the proposed changes. Raise your concerns and forward your suggestions through EMSAT, TXEMSF, or whoever is most effective in reaching those able to influence this process. Steve Lemming TCEMSPO This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: < http://azle.govoffice.com/> Lemmings Texans in EMS, being the Lemmings we are, will let GETAC or the TDHS answer for Texas EMS to the National Scope of Practice Committee and not speak for ourselves. It has been and will always be that way and we will remain impotent compared to other states. In most states, like the letter from Colorado I just posted, the EMS associations are forwarding letters to the powers that be instead of allowing state government to speak for them. What a shame......In the days of the Alamo and San Jacinto, our forefathers would raise a flag that says, " People Lead...Government Follows. " Our Texas EMS flag says, " Government Leads, Texas EMS Follows. " What a shame.... BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2005 ( http://www.EMStock.com < http://www.emstock.com/> ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I take exception to your statement. I am a Lemming. Seriously, as I end the 2004 calendar year as the President Pro-Tem for the Tarrant County EMS Provider's Organization (TCEMSPO) I am calling on our members on this list to join in making our voices heard concerning the proposed changes. Raise your concerns and forward your suggestions through EMSAT, TXEMSF, or whoever is most effective in reaching those able to influence this process. Steve Lemming TCEMSPO This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: < http://azle.govoffice.com/> Lemmings Texans in EMS, being the Lemmings we are, will let GETAC or the TDHS answer for Texas EMS to the National Scope of Practice Committee and not speak for ourselves. It has been and will always be that way and we will remain impotent compared to other states. In most states, like the letter from Colorado I just posted, the EMS associations are forwarding letters to the powers that be instead of allowing state government to speak for them. What a shame......In the days of the Alamo and San Jacinto, our forefathers would raise a flag that says, " People Lead...Government Follows. " Our Texas EMS flag says, " Government Leads, Texas EMS Follows. " What a shame.... BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2005 ( http://www.EMStock.com < http://www.emstock.com/> ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I take exception to your statement. I am a Lemming. Seriously, as I end the 2004 calendar year as the President Pro-Tem for the Tarrant County EMS Provider's Organization (TCEMSPO) I am calling on our members on this list to join in making our voices heard concerning the proposed changes. Raise your concerns and forward your suggestions through EMSAT, TXEMSF, or whoever is most effective in reaching those able to influence this process. Steve Lemming TCEMSPO This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: < http://azle.govoffice.com/> Lemmings Texans in EMS, being the Lemmings we are, will let GETAC or the TDHS answer for Texas EMS to the National Scope of Practice Committee and not speak for ourselves. It has been and will always be that way and we will remain impotent compared to other states. In most states, like the letter from Colorado I just posted, the EMS associations are forwarding letters to the powers that be instead of allowing state government to speak for them. What a shame......In the days of the Alamo and San Jacinto, our forefathers would raise a flag that says, " People Lead...Government Follows. " Our Texas EMS flag says, " Government Leads, Texas EMS Follows. " What a shame.... BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Don't miss EMStock 2005 ( http://www.EMStock.com < http://www.emstock.com/> ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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