Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Now (two days later)...I'm feeling a little overcharged..and over sensitive..to noises. I feel like I'm on hair trigger and don't want anyone around.I'm getting those little lightening boltz in the face...which from my understanding is good and the numbness did resolve.Should I continue on the 112..or should I drop back down to the 108?Do you think the body will just get used to the 112 in a few days..or how should I play this?~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Now (two days later)...I'm feeling a little overcharged..and over sensitive..to noises. I feel like I'm on hair trigger and don't want anyone around.I'm getting those little lightening boltz in the face...which from my understanding is good and the numbness did resolve.Should I continue on the 112..or should I drop back down to the 108?Do you think the body will just get used to the 112 in a few days..or how should I play this?~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Now (two days later)...I'm feeling a little overcharged..and over sensitive..to noises. I feel like I'm on hair trigger and don't want anyone around.I'm getting those little lightening boltz in the face...which from my understanding is good and the numbness did resolve.Should I continue on the 112..or should I drop back down to the 108?Do you think the body will just get used to the 112 in a few days..or how should I play this?~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hey : Thanks for the quick response. I worry that the t4 portion won't kick in for many weeks so it will be a while before I get true results....so I do keep that in mind. I worry that in the meantime...the t4 that is already in there...since I did back down a month ago from 135 that it will drain out of the tissues and that will take months to fix...so I'm kinda feeling like I want to stay much lower when waiting for the t4 catch-up...but not so high that my t3 will get converted over and run away with the labs. I cut the pills. I am taking a 1/4 of a 125 pills and 1/4 of a 50 mcg synthroid pill daily...extra 1/4 50mcg on sunday. That comes to 45 mcgs on the synthetic side daily. I started this on the 17th oct. The Armour side is 60's and 15's broken into quarters..making 30's 7.5's and 3.75's. I take 112.5mg broken into four times a day with different ratios. ~E:) topper2@... wrote: Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Now (two days later)...I'm feeling a little overcharged..and over sensitive..to noises. I feel like I'm on hair trigger and don't want anyone around.I'm getting those little lightening boltz in the face...which from my understanding is good and the numbness did resolve.Should I continue on the 112..or should I drop back down to the 108?Do you think the body will just get used to the 112 in a few days..or how should I play this?~E:) ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hey : Thanks for the quick response. I worry that the t4 portion won't kick in for many weeks so it will be a while before I get true results....so I do keep that in mind. I worry that in the meantime...the t4 that is already in there...since I did back down a month ago from 135 that it will drain out of the tissues and that will take months to fix...so I'm kinda feeling like I want to stay much lower when waiting for the t4 catch-up...but not so high that my t3 will get converted over and run away with the labs. I cut the pills. I am taking a 1/4 of a 125 pills and 1/4 of a 50 mcg synthroid pill daily...extra 1/4 50mcg on sunday. That comes to 45 mcgs on the synthetic side daily. I started this on the 17th oct. The Armour side is 60's and 15's broken into quarters..making 30's 7.5's and 3.75's. I take 112.5mg broken into four times a day with different ratios. ~E:) topper2@... wrote: Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Now (two days later)...I'm feeling a little overcharged..and over sensitive..to noises. I feel like I'm on hair trigger and don't want anyone around.I'm getting those little lightening boltz in the face...which from my understanding is good and the numbness did resolve.Should I continue on the 112..or should I drop back down to the 108?Do you think the body will just get used to the 112 in a few days..or how should I play this?~E:) ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hey : Thanks for the quick response. I worry that the t4 portion won't kick in for many weeks so it will be a while before I get true results....so I do keep that in mind. I worry that in the meantime...the t4 that is already in there...since I did back down a month ago from 135 that it will drain out of the tissues and that will take months to fix...so I'm kinda feeling like I want to stay much lower when waiting for the t4 catch-up...but not so high that my t3 will get converted over and run away with the labs. I cut the pills. I am taking a 1/4 of a 125 pills and 1/4 of a 50 mcg synthroid pill daily...extra 1/4 50mcg on sunday. That comes to 45 mcgs on the synthetic side daily. I started this on the 17th oct. The Armour side is 60's and 15's broken into quarters..making 30's 7.5's and 3.75's. I take 112.5mg broken into four times a day with different ratios. ~E:) topper2@... wrote: Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Now (two days later)...I'm feeling a little overcharged..and over sensitive..to noises. I feel like I'm on hair trigger and don't want anyone around.I'm getting those little lightening boltz in the face...which from my understanding is good and the numbness did resolve.Should I continue on the 112..or should I drop back down to the 108?Do you think the body will just get used to the 112 in a few days..or how should I play this?~E:) ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Okay... I follow your math... it does get complicated when you're doing combos of meds and different pills sizes and working to get the right totals.... All I can say is to remember how the T4 works... it builds slowly in the tissues and as it does the T3 conversion rises a bit more as time passes... So if you increase too much or too fast by the time you notice that you're taking too much it's gonna take weeks, again, to drop the dose and let the excess be used up... I'm gonna guess you are charting? So that you can watch what your body is doing........ Consistent charting is gonna show your body going to high or low quicker than it will show in labs. Remind me... you reduced from 135 last month cuz you were going mildly hyper? (sorry, for not remembering for sure, but it's easier to ask for a refresher than get you mixed up with someone else.... ) If this last increase is too uncomfortable right now... do the new higher dose every other day for a while... let you body ease into it a bit slower... Then go to every day. I've had to do that more than once... and right now am doing increases a bit over 3 months apart rather than 6 weeks...sometimes you just have to listen to your body. Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes: Hey : Thanks for the quick response. I worry that the t4 portion won't kick in for many weeks so it will be a while before I get true results....so I do keep that in mind. I worry that in the meantime...the t4 that is already in there...since I did back down a month ago from 135 that it will drain out of the tissues and that will take months to fix...so I'm kinda feeling like I want to stay much lower when waiting for the t4 catch-up...but not so high that my t3 will get converted over and run away with the labs. I cut the pills. I am taking a 1/4 of a 125 pills and 1/4 of a 50 mcg synthroid pill daily...extra 1/4 50mcg on sunday. That comes to 45 mcgs on the synthetic side daily. I started this on the 17th oct. The Armour side is 60's and 15's broken into quarters..making 30's 7.5's and 3.75's. I take 112.5mg broken into four times a day with different ratios. ~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Okay... I follow your math... it does get complicated when you're doing combos of meds and different pills sizes and working to get the right totals.... All I can say is to remember how the T4 works... it builds slowly in the tissues and as it does the T3 conversion rises a bit more as time passes... So if you increase too much or too fast by the time you notice that you're taking too much it's gonna take weeks, again, to drop the dose and let the excess be used up... I'm gonna guess you are charting? So that you can watch what your body is doing........ Consistent charting is gonna show your body going to high or low quicker than it will show in labs. Remind me... you reduced from 135 last month cuz you were going mildly hyper? (sorry, for not remembering for sure, but it's easier to ask for a refresher than get you mixed up with someone else.... ) If this last increase is too uncomfortable right now... do the new higher dose every other day for a while... let you body ease into it a bit slower... Then go to every day. I've had to do that more than once... and right now am doing increases a bit over 3 months apart rather than 6 weeks...sometimes you just have to listen to your body. Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes: Hey : Thanks for the quick response. I worry that the t4 portion won't kick in for many weeks so it will be a while before I get true results....so I do keep that in mind. I worry that in the meantime...the t4 that is already in there...since I did back down a month ago from 135 that it will drain out of the tissues and that will take months to fix...so I'm kinda feeling like I want to stay much lower when waiting for the t4 catch-up...but not so high that my t3 will get converted over and run away with the labs. I cut the pills. I am taking a 1/4 of a 125 pills and 1/4 of a 50 mcg synthroid pill daily...extra 1/4 50mcg on sunday. That comes to 45 mcgs on the synthetic side daily. I started this on the 17th oct. The Armour side is 60's and 15's broken into quarters..making 30's 7.5's and 3.75's. I take 112.5mg broken into four times a day with different ratios. ~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Okay... I follow your math... it does get complicated when you're doing combos of meds and different pills sizes and working to get the right totals.... All I can say is to remember how the T4 works... it builds slowly in the tissues and as it does the T3 conversion rises a bit more as time passes... So if you increase too much or too fast by the time you notice that you're taking too much it's gonna take weeks, again, to drop the dose and let the excess be used up... I'm gonna guess you are charting? So that you can watch what your body is doing........ Consistent charting is gonna show your body going to high or low quicker than it will show in labs. Remind me... you reduced from 135 last month cuz you were going mildly hyper? (sorry, for not remembering for sure, but it's easier to ask for a refresher than get you mixed up with someone else.... ) If this last increase is too uncomfortable right now... do the new higher dose every other day for a while... let you body ease into it a bit slower... Then go to every day. I've had to do that more than once... and right now am doing increases a bit over 3 months apart rather than 6 weeks...sometimes you just have to listen to your body. Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes: Hey : Thanks for the quick response. I worry that the t4 portion won't kick in for many weeks so it will be a while before I get true results....so I do keep that in mind. I worry that in the meantime...the t4 that is already in there...since I did back down a month ago from 135 that it will drain out of the tissues and that will take months to fix...so I'm kinda feeling like I want to stay much lower when waiting for the t4 catch-up...but not so high that my t3 will get converted over and run away with the labs. I cut the pills. I am taking a 1/4 of a 125 pills and 1/4 of a 50 mcg synthroid pill daily...extra 1/4 50mcg on sunday. That comes to 45 mcgs on the synthetic side daily. I started this on the 17th oct. The Armour side is 60's and 15's broken into quarters..making 30's 7.5's and 3.75's. I take 112.5mg broken into four times a day with different ratios. ~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Sometimes it's a matter of bouncing stuff off other people and seeing if they see something that you don't..... fine tuning is hard.. but it's sooooo worth it... watch your numbers/charts, learn your body, you'll have the BEST info there to follow as you tweak and adjust. When you get unsure, if you just want to double check, when you want to share with others what is working with you.... shoot us a post. It's amazing the little things that others spot... fantastic too, this group.. and to be fair.. there are others that are pretty good too.... It is awesome when the temp and heart rate start coming up... when I started on natural I had a pulse rate of 50 and body temp wasn't even 97... and breathing.. was scary... sometimes I'd just stop.... I was getting scared that I'd go to bed one night and my body would stop breathing while sleeping and wouldn't start again... it wasn't like apnea... it was happening while I was awake... Like it was too much work to draw a breath or something..... Now that I've figured out the sleep thing... I'm doing much better again.... It might be what has had me stalled.. that my body wasn't improving any more cuz I wasn't sleeping enough... .this is gonna be awesome to watch... to see if I get better as time passes. I set the VCR timer to catch the weather report last night.. so I could go to sleep that half hour earlier... I need to know the weather cuz it affects the computers.. storms mean I have to unplug.... I can't risk these boat anchors getting fired, I can't afford to fix them!!! hehehehehehe Now.. if ambition would just bite my butt so I could get to work on this machine!!! hehehehe Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:14:07 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes: : see in between the lines...:) topper2@... wrote: I'm gonna guess you are charting? So that you can watch what your body is doing........ Consistent charting is gonna show your body going to high or low quicker than it will show in labs. >>>>>>>YES. I log all my symptoms on a daily basis..so I kinda can figure what is causing what...like if its too much t3, I can pinpoint it right away. I have a new BP machine and log that too. That by the way...is looking much better recently. I'm getting some 120/80's with solid 70-80 pulse readings. Like how exciting is THAT????!!!! For the longest time..I was getting coma-like readings. Remind me... you reduced from 135 last month cuz you were going mildly hyper? (sorry, for not remembering for sure, but it's easier to ask for a refresher than get you mixed up with someone else.... ) >>>>YES...I was getting hyper feelings. The t3 kinda ran away with the labs (if you remember, I was the good converter on just 37.5mcg t4 and it was still only midway in the range)..and I still felt hypo....with hyper issues. It took a few weeks to burn off the excess. >>>>So basically this is just a tweak..little more t4--- little less armour. I think I've made some big circles round it...and I'm honing in on the target. >>>>While I'm getting chills...the hands and feet are working. YAY:) If this last increase is too uncomfortable right now... do the new higher dose every other day for a while... let you body ease into it a bit slower... >>>>This is a good idea! WOW!...I hadn't thought of that one. Topper () Thanks so much. YOU are THE best! ~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Sometimes it's a matter of bouncing stuff off other people and seeing if they see something that you don't..... fine tuning is hard.. but it's sooooo worth it... watch your numbers/charts, learn your body, you'll have the BEST info there to follow as you tweak and adjust. When you get unsure, if you just want to double check, when you want to share with others what is working with you.... shoot us a post. It's amazing the little things that others spot... fantastic too, this group.. and to be fair.. there are others that are pretty good too.... It is awesome when the temp and heart rate start coming up... when I started on natural I had a pulse rate of 50 and body temp wasn't even 97... and breathing.. was scary... sometimes I'd just stop.... I was getting scared that I'd go to bed one night and my body would stop breathing while sleeping and wouldn't start again... it wasn't like apnea... it was happening while I was awake... Like it was too much work to draw a breath or something..... Now that I've figured out the sleep thing... I'm doing much better again.... It might be what has had me stalled.. that my body wasn't improving any more cuz I wasn't sleeping enough... .this is gonna be awesome to watch... to see if I get better as time passes. I set the VCR timer to catch the weather report last night.. so I could go to sleep that half hour earlier... I need to know the weather cuz it affects the computers.. storms mean I have to unplug.... I can't risk these boat anchors getting fired, I can't afford to fix them!!! hehehehehehe Now.. if ambition would just bite my butt so I could get to work on this machine!!! hehehehe Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:14:07 -0700 (PDT) E Gillespie writes: : see in between the lines...:) topper2@... wrote: I'm gonna guess you are charting? So that you can watch what your body is doing........ Consistent charting is gonna show your body going to high or low quicker than it will show in labs. >>>>>>>YES. I log all my symptoms on a daily basis..so I kinda can figure what is causing what...like if its too much t3, I can pinpoint it right away. I have a new BP machine and log that too. That by the way...is looking much better recently. I'm getting some 120/80's with solid 70-80 pulse readings. Like how exciting is THAT????!!!! For the longest time..I was getting coma-like readings. Remind me... you reduced from 135 last month cuz you were going mildly hyper? (sorry, for not remembering for sure, but it's easier to ask for a refresher than get you mixed up with someone else.... ) >>>>YES...I was getting hyper feelings. The t3 kinda ran away with the labs (if you remember, I was the good converter on just 37.5mcg t4 and it was still only midway in the range)..and I still felt hypo....with hyper issues. It took a few weeks to burn off the excess. >>>>So basically this is just a tweak..little more t4--- little less armour. I think I've made some big circles round it...and I'm honing in on the target. >>>>While I'm getting chills...the hands and feet are working. YAY:) If this last increase is too uncomfortable right now... do the new higher dose every other day for a while... let you body ease into it a bit slower... >>>>This is a good idea! WOW!...I hadn't thought of that one. Topper () Thanks so much. YOU are THE best! ~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I don't see how anyone can get 7.5 or 8 mgs out of an Armour tab, except from the 15 mg tabs, and they are heck to split, even at that. Or was it the 30 mg tabs that I first ordered in the beginning? Duh, can't remember! Anyway, I can only split a 60 mg Armour tab down to 15 mg quarters, even if I was using a fine razor blade. Re: Topper..Q for you. Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I don't see how anyone can get 7.5 or 8 mgs out of an Armour tab, except from the 15 mg tabs, and they are heck to split, even at that. Or was it the 30 mg tabs that I first ordered in the beginning? Duh, can't remember! Anyway, I can only split a 60 mg Armour tab down to 15 mg quarters, even if I was using a fine razor blade. Re: Topper..Q for you. Keep in mind that it takes weeks for the T4 in the med to get into your tissues and affect your body.. it's the direct T3 that you are responding to right now.... things that can make you more sensitive to it include it being too much, having adrenal fatigue, or simply adjusting to the change in dosage. It's why we are always talking about charting waking temp and resting pulse rates.. it gives an amazingly good picture of what your body is doing as far as how it's reacting to the med, either when first starting or when increasing a dose. That all said.... how are you getting 108 and 112 with Armour? Explain to me, so that I understand how you're doing it, you get an increment as small as 4 mg... Are you taking it in a single dose? Topper () On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:42:25 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: I was on 108 Armour. I started to have my hands go numb again...so I upped it to 112. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 And in our hearts! How can we thank you enough, ? Love, Melinda ) > >I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 And in our hearts! How can we thank you enough, ? Love, Melinda ) > >I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Devil's advocate.... looking from a different direction.. relating it to me two years ago..... You refer to wires... tendon pain... knees, elbows..... what if... what if it's along the same lines as the PF (plantar faciitis) that I was diagnosed with.... Basically it's the tendon sheaths being too dry inside so that the tendon can't slide. It's like a brake cable without lubricant.. the tendon is catching inside the sheath... causing pain.... Yeah, I know that's not exactly what you are describing.... but... what if this is the leading edge of it? Okay, with that floating around in your brain.... ponder two years ago when I started exercising. I was clumsy and slow and didn't have a lot of range of motion..... tight tendons. I did slow stretches working VERY gradually to increase range of motion... when I had full range of motion again then I worked on resistance. Okay.. now add that to what is floating.... Hypo body is stiff, sore, slower moving, molasses slow in repairing things, lots of maintenance things are not kept up... sludging bowels, gasses and by products not getting flushed out of muscles.... What if the tendon lubricant is not enough sludgy and in need of 'an oil change' tendons are too tight Give it a good stir... now back to hormones. T4, storage hormone, stored in body tissues until it needs to be converted to T3. Armour, contains all the thyroid hormones, T4, T3, T2, T1 and Calcitonin. T4 gets converted to T3.. that's what the body uses. More Armour, less T4, you get hyper feeling More T4, less Armour more hypo Do you have a time table for how you did adjustments? T4, after a dosage change, takes up to six weeks to show full effects... it has to do with how the body builds up T4 reserves and starts converting it. T4, as far as I know, remains in the tissues until it's converted. After my RAI they monitored me for a full six months, blood draws every two weeks, watching for my hormones to bottom out, to see if the gland would kick back in.. it didn't... So with the saturation I had of T4, I was in thyroid storm, it took months to get it all used up. So the tissues can store a lot of the stuff if it has it available. T3 acts immediately and the hormone that you take is all used up in a matter of hours after taking it.... T3, once it's filled a T3 receptor is good for several days So, time frame.... how long are you on a given dose before you adjust it? You're not tweaking by much at any one time.... but there is something going on that it's reacting to.... So what I have poured into your brain for pondering is... What if you're dealing with two issues? The tendons being a physical thing relating to the body being in general poor maintenance status. And, the hormones needing to be in a very perfect balance? Tell me again how you did on just T4 or just Armour? How long were you on each, what kinds of doses, for what lengths of time. What is your diagnosis? Can you show your last couple of labs? List your vitamins, supplements... What kinds of foods you eat, and when (breakfast as soon as you can after dosing), how many meals after that? Have you had your adrenals tested? I know... some of this is review.... you've probably contemplated it before... and brought it up before us before... but the best way to figure stuff out is to lay everything out again and pick through it, right? Sleep... big issue for me lately. Are you getting enough sleep for proper rest? Are you getting into level four sleep, where you're body is able to repair itself.... here we get back to the maintenance thing, if you don't get to the proper level of sleep, your body can't repair and heal properly... even with the right hormones. What type of exercise do you do? Be honest.. if you sit, say you sit... if you run marathons, say so... lets see what you are, or are not doing, that affects tendons, range of motion and muscles. I'll stop with this... stir it around... taste it a bit... add some seasoning... and then let me know what your brain comes up with.... I'm sitting here right now analyzing my body... Remember last week, I was talking about lack of sleep, and feeling crabby and all that happy stuff..... and then I got more sleep, during my test, and felt so much better the next day..... Last night I said poop to the world and crashed an hour before my usual time. I buried my head under a pillow and leaned the fan against the bed to mask so that I could mute out the sound AND the vibration of the TV. I zonked out.... Sometime after that I remember getting bad at the fan buzzing me and moved it so that it wasn't touching the bed... and rolling over. I don't remember anything after that... no periodic waking, no tossing and turning. I also said poop to my dosing at the regular time and slept and hour later... so I was out from 9:30 last night till 6:30 this morning.... That's the most sleep I've had in once stretch in years... and that is no exaggeration. I've had the sillies all day. I've been chair dancing and bopping to commercials on TV and I've been working ALL day on the drawings for the clinic. That is how profound getting more sleep has been for me... problem is I don't think I can get away with that every night.... Although it did surprise me.... I took the night time dose and hour early and the morning dose an hour late... I should have been a frumpy today... but I wasn't. Okay... see... I let my mind wander and it thinks of things.... How are you dosing your meds? I assume the T4 is taken as a single dose in the morning.. the whole 'got to do it on an empty stomach' thing.... how about the Armour? Are you taking it all in one dose, or more? If more, how many? And what time(s) as compared to when you take the T4? My brain just toggled that part about how every time I try and adjust my dosing to larger doses fewer times per day I'm falling asleep in my chair..... what if this is a conversion thing for you? Talk to be about your how much and whens for both the T4 and the Armour.... What if your body's 'hey get this stuff straight' speech is your 'live wires'? We know it hits us each differently...... .... could be.... I'm stopping.. Or I'll ramble again. I have half an hour to get my mind quieted down.. then it's time for stretches and MLD... no Bedxercises tonight... I've been doing too much bopping and chair dancing... I'll over do..... I'm not kidding... I've been kicking up my feet and flailing arms all day.... I'd get to a point on the drawings that I wanted to study on a bit... and I'd start bopping again.... I was manic.. that's it... I'm MMAANNIICC!!! hehehehehehehe .... and that's with no caffeine OR chocolate!!! hehehehe Topper () On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:10:09 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: Hi...its me E...again!:)I know I ran my whole story by ya before and as I recall...you didn't offer much of an explaination for the VERY strange tendon pain I get when taking certain combos. Nobody has..so don't think its you...but it has resurfaced again. If you don't mind...I'd like to revisit this vexing question. You are just so good at kicking stuff around. So anyway...its like an invisable trip cord. When I hit it...I know it...but it makes no real sense..and I have never heard of anyone else having this problem. When I was on 50 mcg synthetic and 70 mg armour...I didn't have it...but when I upped the Armour to say 75 mgs the tendon pain showed.So...since I was still hypo I had to pick which would go up and which would go down...Follow?I decided to reduce the synthetic and up the armour. YES..great it worked. I could float up to 120 mgs before the t3 sent me hyper..but since I had to reduce the t4 to (37.5mcg)...I still felt hypo. So...it looked good at first...but didn't really fix me in the end.So...now I've decided to try a middle of the road approach. I've got 45 synthetic and 108 armour. I feel like a lot of stuff is feeling good...but the tendon pain is beginning to threaten again. Its in my rotator cuffs, lower back, hips and funny bones on the knees and elbows. If I feel around my elbow or knee...its getting to feel like a live wire. I've been on this protocol for only 14 days...so it doesn't look too promising for the long run. Grrr.So...I'm thinking I have to drop or add some synthetic...or drop some armour. (Of course I'm only talking 4 mgs armour or 2 mcgs of the synthetic). Just a little tweak. I feel like I'm CLOSE to getting this right and the tendon pain is maybe something that can provide guidance. If you can believe my generous reasoning there. LOLMind you I still feel BOLTED to the furniture...so its not like I'm doing great..but my hands and (coolish) feet are alive now..and that is a BIG improvement over the entire summer. So you have any thoughts about this. I'm hoping to shake something lose here. Extra set of eyes. He heee. Thanks ...you are doing SUCH an outstanding job with everyone.I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Hopefully when we are both there you come and visit.~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Devil's advocate.... looking from a different direction.. relating it to me two years ago..... You refer to wires... tendon pain... knees, elbows..... what if... what if it's along the same lines as the PF (plantar faciitis) that I was diagnosed with.... Basically it's the tendon sheaths being too dry inside so that the tendon can't slide. It's like a brake cable without lubricant.. the tendon is catching inside the sheath... causing pain.... Yeah, I know that's not exactly what you are describing.... but... what if this is the leading edge of it? Okay, with that floating around in your brain.... ponder two years ago when I started exercising. I was clumsy and slow and didn't have a lot of range of motion..... tight tendons. I did slow stretches working VERY gradually to increase range of motion... when I had full range of motion again then I worked on resistance. Okay.. now add that to what is floating.... Hypo body is stiff, sore, slower moving, molasses slow in repairing things, lots of maintenance things are not kept up... sludging bowels, gasses and by products not getting flushed out of muscles.... What if the tendon lubricant is not enough sludgy and in need of 'an oil change' tendons are too tight Give it a good stir... now back to hormones. T4, storage hormone, stored in body tissues until it needs to be converted to T3. Armour, contains all the thyroid hormones, T4, T3, T2, T1 and Calcitonin. T4 gets converted to T3.. that's what the body uses. More Armour, less T4, you get hyper feeling More T4, less Armour more hypo Do you have a time table for how you did adjustments? T4, after a dosage change, takes up to six weeks to show full effects... it has to do with how the body builds up T4 reserves and starts converting it. T4, as far as I know, remains in the tissues until it's converted. After my RAI they monitored me for a full six months, blood draws every two weeks, watching for my hormones to bottom out, to see if the gland would kick back in.. it didn't... So with the saturation I had of T4, I was in thyroid storm, it took months to get it all used up. So the tissues can store a lot of the stuff if it has it available. T3 acts immediately and the hormone that you take is all used up in a matter of hours after taking it.... T3, once it's filled a T3 receptor is good for several days So, time frame.... how long are you on a given dose before you adjust it? You're not tweaking by much at any one time.... but there is something going on that it's reacting to.... So what I have poured into your brain for pondering is... What if you're dealing with two issues? The tendons being a physical thing relating to the body being in general poor maintenance status. And, the hormones needing to be in a very perfect balance? Tell me again how you did on just T4 or just Armour? How long were you on each, what kinds of doses, for what lengths of time. What is your diagnosis? Can you show your last couple of labs? List your vitamins, supplements... What kinds of foods you eat, and when (breakfast as soon as you can after dosing), how many meals after that? Have you had your adrenals tested? I know... some of this is review.... you've probably contemplated it before... and brought it up before us before... but the best way to figure stuff out is to lay everything out again and pick through it, right? Sleep... big issue for me lately. Are you getting enough sleep for proper rest? Are you getting into level four sleep, where you're body is able to repair itself.... here we get back to the maintenance thing, if you don't get to the proper level of sleep, your body can't repair and heal properly... even with the right hormones. What type of exercise do you do? Be honest.. if you sit, say you sit... if you run marathons, say so... lets see what you are, or are not doing, that affects tendons, range of motion and muscles. I'll stop with this... stir it around... taste it a bit... add some seasoning... and then let me know what your brain comes up with.... I'm sitting here right now analyzing my body... Remember last week, I was talking about lack of sleep, and feeling crabby and all that happy stuff..... and then I got more sleep, during my test, and felt so much better the next day..... Last night I said poop to the world and crashed an hour before my usual time. I buried my head under a pillow and leaned the fan against the bed to mask so that I could mute out the sound AND the vibration of the TV. I zonked out.... Sometime after that I remember getting bad at the fan buzzing me and moved it so that it wasn't touching the bed... and rolling over. I don't remember anything after that... no periodic waking, no tossing and turning. I also said poop to my dosing at the regular time and slept and hour later... so I was out from 9:30 last night till 6:30 this morning.... That's the most sleep I've had in once stretch in years... and that is no exaggeration. I've had the sillies all day. I've been chair dancing and bopping to commercials on TV and I've been working ALL day on the drawings for the clinic. That is how profound getting more sleep has been for me... problem is I don't think I can get away with that every night.... Although it did surprise me.... I took the night time dose and hour early and the morning dose an hour late... I should have been a frumpy today... but I wasn't. Okay... see... I let my mind wander and it thinks of things.... How are you dosing your meds? I assume the T4 is taken as a single dose in the morning.. the whole 'got to do it on an empty stomach' thing.... how about the Armour? Are you taking it all in one dose, or more? If more, how many? And what time(s) as compared to when you take the T4? My brain just toggled that part about how every time I try and adjust my dosing to larger doses fewer times per day I'm falling asleep in my chair..... what if this is a conversion thing for you? Talk to be about your how much and whens for both the T4 and the Armour.... What if your body's 'hey get this stuff straight' speech is your 'live wires'? We know it hits us each differently...... .... could be.... I'm stopping.. Or I'll ramble again. I have half an hour to get my mind quieted down.. then it's time for stretches and MLD... no Bedxercises tonight... I've been doing too much bopping and chair dancing... I'll over do..... I'm not kidding... I've been kicking up my feet and flailing arms all day.... I'd get to a point on the drawings that I wanted to study on a bit... and I'd start bopping again.... I was manic.. that's it... I'm MMAANNIICC!!! hehehehehehehe .... and that's with no caffeine OR chocolate!!! hehehehe Topper () On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:10:09 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: Hi...its me E...again!:)I know I ran my whole story by ya before and as I recall...you didn't offer much of an explaination for the VERY strange tendon pain I get when taking certain combos. Nobody has..so don't think its you...but it has resurfaced again. If you don't mind...I'd like to revisit this vexing question. You are just so good at kicking stuff around. So anyway...its like an invisable trip cord. When I hit it...I know it...but it makes no real sense..and I have never heard of anyone else having this problem. When I was on 50 mcg synthetic and 70 mg armour...I didn't have it...but when I upped the Armour to say 75 mgs the tendon pain showed.So...since I was still hypo I had to pick which would go up and which would go down...Follow?I decided to reduce the synthetic and up the armour. YES..great it worked. I could float up to 120 mgs before the t3 sent me hyper..but since I had to reduce the t4 to (37.5mcg)...I still felt hypo. So...it looked good at first...but didn't really fix me in the end.So...now I've decided to try a middle of the road approach. I've got 45 synthetic and 108 armour. I feel like a lot of stuff is feeling good...but the tendon pain is beginning to threaten again. Its in my rotator cuffs, lower back, hips and funny bones on the knees and elbows. If I feel around my elbow or knee...its getting to feel like a live wire. I've been on this protocol for only 14 days...so it doesn't look too promising for the long run. Grrr.So...I'm thinking I have to drop or add some synthetic...or drop some armour. (Of course I'm only talking 4 mgs armour or 2 mcgs of the synthetic). Just a little tweak. I feel like I'm CLOSE to getting this right and the tendon pain is maybe something that can provide guidance. If you can believe my generous reasoning there. LOLMind you I still feel BOLTED to the furniture...so its not like I'm doing great..but my hands and (coolish) feet are alive now..and that is a BIG improvement over the entire summer. So you have any thoughts about this. I'm hoping to shake something lose here. Extra set of eyes. He heee. Thanks ...you are doing SUCH an outstanding job with everyone.I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Hopefully when we are both there you come and visit.~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Devil's advocate.... looking from a different direction.. relating it to me two years ago..... You refer to wires... tendon pain... knees, elbows..... what if... what if it's along the same lines as the PF (plantar faciitis) that I was diagnosed with.... Basically it's the tendon sheaths being too dry inside so that the tendon can't slide. It's like a brake cable without lubricant.. the tendon is catching inside the sheath... causing pain.... Yeah, I know that's not exactly what you are describing.... but... what if this is the leading edge of it? Okay, with that floating around in your brain.... ponder two years ago when I started exercising. I was clumsy and slow and didn't have a lot of range of motion..... tight tendons. I did slow stretches working VERY gradually to increase range of motion... when I had full range of motion again then I worked on resistance. Okay.. now add that to what is floating.... Hypo body is stiff, sore, slower moving, molasses slow in repairing things, lots of maintenance things are not kept up... sludging bowels, gasses and by products not getting flushed out of muscles.... What if the tendon lubricant is not enough sludgy and in need of 'an oil change' tendons are too tight Give it a good stir... now back to hormones. T4, storage hormone, stored in body tissues until it needs to be converted to T3. Armour, contains all the thyroid hormones, T4, T3, T2, T1 and Calcitonin. T4 gets converted to T3.. that's what the body uses. More Armour, less T4, you get hyper feeling More T4, less Armour more hypo Do you have a time table for how you did adjustments? T4, after a dosage change, takes up to six weeks to show full effects... it has to do with how the body builds up T4 reserves and starts converting it. T4, as far as I know, remains in the tissues until it's converted. After my RAI they monitored me for a full six months, blood draws every two weeks, watching for my hormones to bottom out, to see if the gland would kick back in.. it didn't... So with the saturation I had of T4, I was in thyroid storm, it took months to get it all used up. So the tissues can store a lot of the stuff if it has it available. T3 acts immediately and the hormone that you take is all used up in a matter of hours after taking it.... T3, once it's filled a T3 receptor is good for several days So, time frame.... how long are you on a given dose before you adjust it? You're not tweaking by much at any one time.... but there is something going on that it's reacting to.... So what I have poured into your brain for pondering is... What if you're dealing with two issues? The tendons being a physical thing relating to the body being in general poor maintenance status. And, the hormones needing to be in a very perfect balance? Tell me again how you did on just T4 or just Armour? How long were you on each, what kinds of doses, for what lengths of time. What is your diagnosis? Can you show your last couple of labs? List your vitamins, supplements... What kinds of foods you eat, and when (breakfast as soon as you can after dosing), how many meals after that? Have you had your adrenals tested? I know... some of this is review.... you've probably contemplated it before... and brought it up before us before... but the best way to figure stuff out is to lay everything out again and pick through it, right? Sleep... big issue for me lately. Are you getting enough sleep for proper rest? Are you getting into level four sleep, where you're body is able to repair itself.... here we get back to the maintenance thing, if you don't get to the proper level of sleep, your body can't repair and heal properly... even with the right hormones. What type of exercise do you do? Be honest.. if you sit, say you sit... if you run marathons, say so... lets see what you are, or are not doing, that affects tendons, range of motion and muscles. I'll stop with this... stir it around... taste it a bit... add some seasoning... and then let me know what your brain comes up with.... I'm sitting here right now analyzing my body... Remember last week, I was talking about lack of sleep, and feeling crabby and all that happy stuff..... and then I got more sleep, during my test, and felt so much better the next day..... Last night I said poop to the world and crashed an hour before my usual time. I buried my head under a pillow and leaned the fan against the bed to mask so that I could mute out the sound AND the vibration of the TV. I zonked out.... Sometime after that I remember getting bad at the fan buzzing me and moved it so that it wasn't touching the bed... and rolling over. I don't remember anything after that... no periodic waking, no tossing and turning. I also said poop to my dosing at the regular time and slept and hour later... so I was out from 9:30 last night till 6:30 this morning.... That's the most sleep I've had in once stretch in years... and that is no exaggeration. I've had the sillies all day. I've been chair dancing and bopping to commercials on TV and I've been working ALL day on the drawings for the clinic. That is how profound getting more sleep has been for me... problem is I don't think I can get away with that every night.... Although it did surprise me.... I took the night time dose and hour early and the morning dose an hour late... I should have been a frumpy today... but I wasn't. Okay... see... I let my mind wander and it thinks of things.... How are you dosing your meds? I assume the T4 is taken as a single dose in the morning.. the whole 'got to do it on an empty stomach' thing.... how about the Armour? Are you taking it all in one dose, or more? If more, how many? And what time(s) as compared to when you take the T4? My brain just toggled that part about how every time I try and adjust my dosing to larger doses fewer times per day I'm falling asleep in my chair..... what if this is a conversion thing for you? Talk to be about your how much and whens for both the T4 and the Armour.... What if your body's 'hey get this stuff straight' speech is your 'live wires'? We know it hits us each differently...... .... could be.... I'm stopping.. Or I'll ramble again. I have half an hour to get my mind quieted down.. then it's time for stretches and MLD... no Bedxercises tonight... I've been doing too much bopping and chair dancing... I'll over do..... I'm not kidding... I've been kicking up my feet and flailing arms all day.... I'd get to a point on the drawings that I wanted to study on a bit... and I'd start bopping again.... I was manic.. that's it... I'm MMAANNIICC!!! hehehehehehehe .... and that's with no caffeine OR chocolate!!! hehehehe Topper () On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:10:09 -0000 "lyongillespie" writes: Hi...its me E...again!:)I know I ran my whole story by ya before and as I recall...you didn't offer much of an explaination for the VERY strange tendon pain I get when taking certain combos. Nobody has..so don't think its you...but it has resurfaced again. If you don't mind...I'd like to revisit this vexing question. You are just so good at kicking stuff around. So anyway...its like an invisable trip cord. When I hit it...I know it...but it makes no real sense..and I have never heard of anyone else having this problem. When I was on 50 mcg synthetic and 70 mg armour...I didn't have it...but when I upped the Armour to say 75 mgs the tendon pain showed.So...since I was still hypo I had to pick which would go up and which would go down...Follow?I decided to reduce the synthetic and up the armour. YES..great it worked. I could float up to 120 mgs before the t3 sent me hyper..but since I had to reduce the t4 to (37.5mcg)...I still felt hypo. So...it looked good at first...but didn't really fix me in the end.So...now I've decided to try a middle of the road approach. I've got 45 synthetic and 108 armour. I feel like a lot of stuff is feeling good...but the tendon pain is beginning to threaten again. Its in my rotator cuffs, lower back, hips and funny bones on the knees and elbows. If I feel around my elbow or knee...its getting to feel like a live wire. I've been on this protocol for only 14 days...so it doesn't look too promising for the long run. Grrr.So...I'm thinking I have to drop or add some synthetic...or drop some armour. (Of course I'm only talking 4 mgs armour or 2 mcgs of the synthetic). Just a little tweak. I feel like I'm CLOSE to getting this right and the tendon pain is maybe something that can provide guidance. If you can believe my generous reasoning there. LOLMind you I still feel BOLTED to the furniture...so its not like I'm doing great..but my hands and (coolish) feet are alive now..and that is a BIG improvement over the entire summer. So you have any thoughts about this. I'm hoping to shake something lose here. Extra set of eyes. He heee. Thanks ...you are doing SUCH an outstanding job with everyone.I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Hopefully when we are both there you come and visit.~E:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 You guys are gonna swell my head... hehehehe Topper () On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:10:24 -0000 "neilmeltx" writes: And in our hearts! How can we thank you enough, ?Love,Melinda )>>I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 You guys are gonna swell my head... hehehehe Topper () On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:10:24 -0000 "neilmeltx" writes: And in our hearts! How can we thank you enough, ?Love,Melinda )>>I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 My feelings too! And will you put the kettle on and cook for me too, there? Love Chris Thanks ...you are doing SUCH an outstanding job with everyone.I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Hopefully when we are both there you come and visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 My feelings too! And will you put the kettle on and cook for me too, there? Love Chris Thanks ...you are doing SUCH an outstanding job with everyone.I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Hopefully when we are both there you come and visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 My feelings too! And will you put the kettle on and cook for me too, there? Love Chris Thanks ...you are doing SUCH an outstanding job with everyone.I'll bet you that there is a special place for you in heaven. Hopefully when we are both there you come and visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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