Re: Tape copy of KQED show

[Guest guest]

> >

> > sounds like a good idea, a transcript at least would be useful. i

> > dont what was said,

>

> To be honest, I didn't hear anything that I think would be terribly

> new or surprising to anyone who's been around a while on this list.

> But then again, we're familiar with the issues. Of course, it's

very

> nice to hear AA being critiqued without a lot of personal attacks

> being thrown back in return. Especially when it's someone you know

> (well, sorta <grin>) doing it.

>

> but from waht tommy said, it sounds like

> > thier was alot of hostilty being vented at rebbeca.

>

> There was a fair amount of step-talk being thrown back at her, but

> everyone was pleasant and civil. I almost wish there *had* been

some

> hostility - it sounded like she could have handled that easily, and

> it would have made the AA advocates that much *less* credible.

>

> > it may be usefl

> > to see agood example of how she hadnled that scenario. maybe

> > rebebca will be given a tape for free?

>

> Maybe so...I've done a few back-of-the-envelope calculations, and if

> the tape were recorded at a very low data rate, it would fit in the

> files section of this website, or on someone's private page, even

> though it was a one hour show. (The low data rate would be fine,

> since it's dialogue, not music, which would require a much higher

> rate).

>

> One thing to consider, though - what would KQED's position be on

> making a tape of one of their broadcasts publicly available? Would

> copyrights and such get in the way?

Well, we could tell them what we planned. I don't really see our list

as " public " though admittedly I don't know much about that. How many

MB do you think something like that would take. KQED says they don't

provide transcripts.

See you,

[Guest guest]

> >

> > sounds like a good idea, a transcript at least would be useful. i

> > dont what was said,

>

> To be honest, I didn't hear anything that I think would be terribly

> new or surprising to anyone who's been around a while on this list.

> But then again, we're familiar with the issues. Of course, it's

very

> nice to hear AA being critiqued without a lot of personal attacks

> being thrown back in return. Especially when it's someone you know

> (well, sorta <grin>) doing it.

>

> but from waht tommy said, it sounds like

> > thier was alot of hostilty being vented at rebbeca.

>

> There was a fair amount of step-talk being thrown back at her, but

> everyone was pleasant and civil. I almost wish there *had* been

some

> hostility - it sounded like she could have handled that easily, and

> it would have made the AA advocates that much *less* credible.

>

> > it may be usefl

> > to see agood example of how she hadnled that scenario. maybe

> > rebebca will be given a tape for free?

>

> Maybe so...I've done a few back-of-the-envelope calculations, and if

> the tape were recorded at a very low data rate, it would fit in the

> files section of this website, or on someone's private page, even

> though it was a one hour show. (The low data rate would be fine,

> since it's dialogue, not music, which would require a much higher

> rate).

>

> One thing to consider, though - what would KQED's position be on

> making a tape of one of their broadcasts publicly available? Would

> copyrights and such get in the way?

Well, we could tell them what we planned. I don't really see our list

as " public " though admittedly I don't know much about that. How many

MB do you think something like that would take. KQED says they don't

provide transcripts.

See you,

[Guest guest]

> There was a fair amount of step-talk being thrown back at her, but

> everyone was pleasant and civil. I almost wish there *had* been

some

> hostility - it sounded like she could have handled that easily, and

> it would have made the AA advocates that much *less* credible.

Yes, , it was quite civil and yet was there alone standing

up against the Therapeutic State. The station knew that I and at

least one other person were standing by, but we were never called.

Yet the program went on ad nauseum with and Humphreys saying

crap like " AA is the best for most " and obviously dodging questions

about alternatives, specifically RR. I was told by the station staff

member who called me that I would be asked about my " story " . I

figured I would get two to three minutes since the show was an hour

long, and had no intentions on spending that on my story. I wanted an

audience of thousands to know that the country which introduced the

world to religious liberty was now one of the worst offenders. I

think that the powers that be know our movement very well and also

know we are looking down their throats on the constitutional issue. I

think we will see more of this watered down horse shit from the

cowards. I think it was planned all along to not call anyone who

might support . I will comment more on this but will await

what has to say.

Tommy

[Guest guest]

> There was a fair amount of step-talk being thrown back at her, but

> everyone was pleasant and civil. I almost wish there *had* been

some

> hostility - it sounded like she could have handled that easily, and

> it would have made the AA advocates that much *less* credible.

Yes, , it was quite civil and yet was there alone standing

up against the Therapeutic State. The station knew that I and at

least one other person were standing by, but we were never called.

Yet the program went on ad nauseum with and Humphreys saying

crap like " AA is the best for most " and obviously dodging questions

about alternatives, specifically RR. I was told by the station staff

member who called me that I would be asked about my " story " . I

figured I would get two to three minutes since the show was an hour

long, and had no intentions on spending that on my story. I wanted an

audience of thousands to know that the country which introduced the

world to religious liberty was now one of the worst offenders. I

think that the powers that be know our movement very well and also

know we are looking down their throats on the constitutional issue. I

think we will see more of this watered down horse shit from the

cowards. I think it was planned all along to not call anyone who

might support . I will comment more on this but will await

what has to say.

Tommy

[Guest guest]

> There was a fair amount of step-talk being thrown back at her, but

> everyone was pleasant and civil. I almost wish there *had* been

some

> hostility - it sounded like she could have handled that easily, and

> it would have made the AA advocates that much *less* credible.

Yes, , it was quite civil and yet was there alone standing

up against the Therapeutic State. The station knew that I and at

least one other person were standing by, but we were never called.

Yet the program went on ad nauseum with and Humphreys saying

crap like " AA is the best for most " and obviously dodging questions

about alternatives, specifically RR. I was told by the station staff

member who called me that I would be asked about my " story " . I

figured I would get two to three minutes since the show was an hour

long, and had no intentions on spending that on my story. I wanted an

audience of thousands to know that the country which introduced the

world to religious liberty was now one of the worst offenders. I

think that the powers that be know our movement very well and also

know we are looking down their throats on the constitutional issue. I

think we will see more of this watered down horse shit from the

cowards. I think it was planned all along to not call anyone who

might support . I will comment more on this but will await

what has to say.

Tommy

[Guest guest]

> How many

> MB do you think [putting 's KQED show on the web] would

take.

I did some playing around with WAV and MP3 files this morning - I

came up with two different numbers I'm comfortable with:

Assuming that the sound file is converted to MP3 at the lowest

possible data rate and as mono, I think it would take up about 12 or

13 MB. Now, that entails a few " ifs " - without getting into a lot of

detail, a sound file that's gone through that much compression and

low rate sampling is going to have *some* distortion. If it's only a

little, then, no problem - the listener's brain does a wonderful job

of recognizing the speech and ignoring the distortion. At some

point, though, the distortion becomes noticeable, and then it's

*very* annoying. Unfortunately, whether that lowest data rate will

work well or not depends on a lot of things, including how the

microphones were originally placed, etc. We'd just have to try it

and keep our fingers crossed.

Now, if that doesn't work, I'm almost positive a higher data rate

would do the trick, but then we might be talking about 25 MB or so.

Either of those are feasible. The files section here has about 16 MB

left, so a 13 MB file would fit (although it would take up most of

the remaining free space. Maybe it could be put there only for a

month or so, to give people a chance to listen?)

A 25 MB file wouldn't fit here, but might fit on someone's personal

web space - or, it could be split between two or three web pages,

with links here to part one, part two, etc.

Now, with all that said, here's the good news. I've never dealt with

*.RAM files ( " Real Audio Media " , not " Random Access Memory " ). But,

just looking at how much data can pass through a modem in a real time

data stream, it seems almost certain that putting it in RAM format

would result in a smaller file than an MP3. So, I think my figures

(25 MB, maybe 13 MB) are probably overly pessimistic, and it could be

done in a smaller amount of space. I'll look around the web and see

what I can find out about RAM files and converting data back and

forth...does anyone out there have experience with that format??

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

> Now, with all that said, here's the good news. I've never dealt with

> *.RAM files ( " Real Audio Media " , not " Random Access Memory " ). But,

> just looking at how much data can pass through a modem in a real time

> data stream, it seems almost certain that putting it in RAM format

> would result in a smaller file than an MP3. So, I think my figures

> (25 MB, maybe 13 MB) are probably overly pessimistic, and it could be

> done in a smaller amount of space. I'll look around the web and see

> what I can find out about RAM files and converting data back and

> forth...does anyone out there have experience with that format??

I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get the basic

conversion software for free from Real.com

http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?src=010301realhome_

1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

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----- Original Message -----

> Now, with all that said, here's the good news. I've never dealt with

> *.RAM files ( " Real Audio Media " , not " Random Access Memory " ). But,

> just looking at how much data can pass through a modem in a real time

> data stream, it seems almost certain that putting it in RAM format

> would result in a smaller file than an MP3. So, I think my figures

> (25 MB, maybe 13 MB) are probably overly pessimistic, and it could be

> done in a smaller amount of space. I'll look around the web and see

> what I can find out about RAM files and converting data back and

> forth...does anyone out there have experience with that format??

I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get the basic

conversion software for free from Real.com

http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?src=010301realhome_

1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

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----- Original Message -----

> Now, with all that said, here's the good news. I've never dealt with

> *.RAM files ( " Real Audio Media " , not " Random Access Memory " ). But,

> just looking at how much data can pass through a modem in a real time

> data stream, it seems almost certain that putting it in RAM format

> would result in a smaller file than an MP3. So, I think my figures

> (25 MB, maybe 13 MB) are probably overly pessimistic, and it could be

> done in a smaller amount of space. I'll look around the web and see

> what I can find out about RAM files and converting data back and

> forth...does anyone out there have experience with that format??

I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get the basic

conversion software for free from Real.com

http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?src=010301realhome_

1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

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[Guest guest]

> I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get the

basic

> conversion software for free from Real.com

>

> http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?

src=010301realhome_

> 1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

Thanks - I'll take a look at that. I've already downloaded a Windows

Media convertor from Microsoft, and put a couple of audio files

through it. I'm getting good results at low data rates, and the

WMA files are about 125 KB per minute. So, 's KQED show would

take up about 7.5 MB if done that way.

The URL for that software, if you're curious, is:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools/on

demand.asp

[Guest guest]

I can convert to ra files in 6 different formats optimized for net

connections ranging from 28k modem to Corporate LAN. (same for windows media

files) I can also do wav mp3 windows media and a number of other audio

formats.

Are you saying you've got a copy of the interview? If you've got it and we

can work out a transfer we can have something going in no time flat.

I can encode as a windows media audio file with object embedded that will

take you to her site (or any other) when it's listened to at any time during

the playback.

I've got a cable connection so if you've got it and wouldn't mind

transferring it I'd like to take a look at it.

Re: Tape copy of KQED show

Now, with all that said, here's the good news. I've never dealt with

*.RAM files ( " Real Audio Media " , not " Random Access Memory " ). But,

just looking at how much data can pass through a modem in a real time

data stream, it seems almost certain that putting it in RAM format

would result in a smaller file than an MP3. So, I think my figures

(25 MB, maybe 13 MB) are probably overly pessimistic, and it could be

done in a smaller amount of space. I'll look around the web and see

what I can find out about RAM files and converting data back and

forth...does anyone out there have experience with that format??

[Guest guest]

I can convert to ra files in 6 different formats optimized for net

connections ranging from 28k modem to Corporate LAN. (same for windows media

files) I can also do wav mp3 windows media and a number of other audio

formats.

Are you saying you've got a copy of the interview? If you've got it and we

can work out a transfer we can have something going in no time flat.

I can encode as a windows media audio file with object embedded that will

take you to her site (or any other) when it's listened to at any time during

the playback.

I've got a cable connection so if you've got it and wouldn't mind

transferring it I'd like to take a look at it.

Re: Tape copy of KQED show

Now, with all that said, here's the good news. I've never dealt with

*.RAM files ( " Real Audio Media " , not " Random Access Memory " ). But,

just looking at how much data can pass through a modem in a real time

data stream, it seems almost certain that putting it in RAM format

would result in a smaller file than an MP3. So, I think my figures

(25 MB, maybe 13 MB) are probably overly pessimistic, and it could be

done in a smaller amount of space. I'll look around the web and see

what I can find out about RAM files and converting data back and

forth...does anyone out there have experience with that format??

[Guest guest]

I can convert to ra files in 6 different formats optimized for net

connections ranging from 28k modem to Corporate LAN. (same for windows media

files) I can also do wav mp3 windows media and a number of other audio

formats.

Are you saying you've got a copy of the interview? If you've got it and we

can work out a transfer we can have something going in no time flat.

I can encode as a windows media audio file with object embedded that will

take you to her site (or any other) when it's listened to at any time during

the playback.

I've got a cable connection so if you've got it and wouldn't mind

transferring it I'd like to take a look at it.

Re: Tape copy of KQED show

Now, with all that said, here's the good news. I've never dealt with

*.RAM files ( " Real Audio Media " , not " Random Access Memory " ). But,

just looking at how much data can pass through a modem in a real time

data stream, it seems almost certain that putting it in RAM format

would result in a smaller file than an MP3. So, I think my figures

(25 MB, maybe 13 MB) are probably overly pessimistic, and it could be

done in a smaller amount of space. I'll look around the web and see

what I can find out about RAM files and converting data back and

forth...does anyone out there have experience with that format??

[Guest guest]

If you've got that it allows you to embed an object so that when the file is

played it opens 's web page.

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Re: Tape copy of KQED show

> I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get the

basic

> conversion software for free from Real.com

>

> http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?

src=010301realhome_

> 1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

Thanks - I'll take a look at that. I've already downloaded a Windows

Media convertor from Microsoft, and put a couple of audio files

through it. I'm getting good results at low data rates, and the

WMA files are about 125 KB per minute. So, 's KQED show would

take up about 7.5 MB if done that way.

The URL for that software, if you're curious, is:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools/on

demand.asp

[Guest guest]

If you've got that it allows you to embed an object so that when the file is

played it opens 's web page.

Edit

Commands

New

in Parameters Type: http://www.aahorror.net/Home.htm

Re: Tape copy of KQED show

> I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get the

basic

> conversion software for free from Real.com

>

> http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?

src=010301realhome_

> 1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

Thanks - I'll take a look at that. I've already downloaded a Windows

Media convertor from Microsoft, and put a couple of audio files

through it. I'm getting good results at low data rates, and the

WMA files are about 125 KB per minute. So, 's KQED show would

take up about 7.5 MB if done that way.

The URL for that software, if you're curious, is:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools/on

demand.asp

[Guest guest]

If you've got that it allows you to embed an object so that when the file is

played it opens 's web page.

Edit

Commands

New

in Parameters Type: http://www.aahorror.net/Home.htm

Re: Tape copy of KQED show

> I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get the

basic

> conversion software for free from Real.com

>

> http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?

src=010301realhome_

> 1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

Thanks - I'll take a look at that. I've already downloaded a Windows

Media convertor from Microsoft, and put a couple of audio files

through it. I'm getting good results at low data rates, and the

WMA files are about 125 KB per minute. So, 's KQED show would

take up about 7.5 MB if done that way.

The URL for that software, if you're curious, is:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools/on

demand.asp

[Guest guest]

> I can convert to ra files in 6 different formats optimized for net

> connections ranging from 28k modem to Corporate LAN. (same for

windows media

> files) I can also do wav mp3 windows media and a number of other

audio

> formats.

Cool! I'll step back, then, and gladly hand this over to you.

>

> Are you saying you've got a copy of the interview?

No... asked about how much space it would take up, and I was

trying to work up some estimates on that, to see if it would feasibly

fit here or on a single, private web page. I tried to tape the

interview yesterday, but that didn't work out.

> I've got a cable connection

Ok, that's it....I am now Officially Sick With Envy.<g>

It sounds like you're a lot more up on multimedia than I am...I do

have access to some nice hardware and a shared T3 connection - not

here at home, though...(sob) If I can help out in any way, let me

know.

[Guest guest]

> I can convert to ra files in 6 different formats optimized for net

> connections ranging from 28k modem to Corporate LAN. (same for

windows media

> files) I can also do wav mp3 windows media and a number of other

audio

> formats.

Cool! I'll step back, then, and gladly hand this over to you.

>

> Are you saying you've got a copy of the interview?

No... asked about how much space it would take up, and I was

trying to work up some estimates on that, to see if it would feasibly

fit here or on a single, private web page. I tried to tape the

interview yesterday, but that didn't work out.

> I've got a cable connection

Ok, that's it....I am now Officially Sick With Envy.<g>

It sounds like you're a lot more up on multimedia than I am...I do

have access to some nice hardware and a shared T3 connection - not

here at home, though...(sob) If I can help out in any way, let me

know.

[Guest guest]

> I can convert to ra files in 6 different formats optimized for net

> connections ranging from 28k modem to Corporate LAN. (same for

windows media

> files) I can also do wav mp3 windows media and a number of other

audio

> formats.

Cool! I'll step back, then, and gladly hand this over to you.

>

> Are you saying you've got a copy of the interview?

No... asked about how much space it would take up, and I was

trying to work up some estimates on that, to see if it would feasibly

fit here or on a single, private web page. I tried to tape the

interview yesterday, but that didn't work out.

> I've got a cable connection

Ok, that's it....I am now Officially Sick With Envy.<g>

It sounds like you're a lot more up on multimedia than I am...I do

have access to some nice hardware and a shared T3 connection - not

here at home, though...(sob) If I can help out in any way, let me

know.

[Guest guest]

Sounds like either one of us can take this one up. It's relatively easy to

do as you're finding out now. All we've got to do now is pester for

the file or the tape :0)

About the multimedia it started a few years back when I started archiving

VideoCDs of Star Trek Voyager episodes.

(Can you say 7 of 9? Borgariffic!) You know in a way she's the patron

saint of this list. She's successfully deprogrammed from the Borg hive.

Well she's still working on it but...

Re: Tape copy of KQED show

Cool! I'll step back, then, and gladly hand this over to you.

Ok, that's it....I am now Officially Sick With Envy.<g>

It sounds like you're a lot more up on multimedia than I am...I do

have access to some nice hardware and a shared T3 connection - not

here at home, though...(sob) If I can help out in any way, let me

know.

[Guest guest]

Sounds like either one of us can take this one up. It's relatively easy to

do as you're finding out now. All we've got to do now is pester for

the file or the tape :0)

About the multimedia it started a few years back when I started archiving

VideoCDs of Star Trek Voyager episodes.

(Can you say 7 of 9? Borgariffic!) You know in a way she's the patron

saint of this list. She's successfully deprogrammed from the Borg hive.

Well she's still working on it but...

Re: Tape copy of KQED show

Cool! I'll step back, then, and gladly hand this over to you.

Ok, that's it....I am now Officially Sick With Envy.<g>

It sounds like you're a lot more up on multimedia than I am...I do

have access to some nice hardware and a shared T3 connection - not

here at home, though...(sob) If I can help out in any way, let me

know.

[Guest guest]

> > I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get

the

> basic

> > conversion software for free from Real.com

> >

> > http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?

> src=010301realhome_

> > 1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

>

> Thanks - I'll take a look at that. I've already downloaded a

Windows

> Media convertor from Microsoft, and put a couple of audio files

> through it. I'm getting good results at low data rates, and the

> WMA files are about 125 KB per minute. So, 's KQED show

would

> take up about 7.5 MB if done that way.

>

> The URL for that software, if you're curious, is:

>

>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools/on

> demand.asp

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get

the

> basic

> > conversion software for free from Real.com

> >

> > http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?

> src=010301realhome_

> > 1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

>

> Thanks - I'll take a look at that. I've already downloaded a

Windows

> Media convertor from Microsoft, and put a couple of audio files

> through it. I'm getting good results at low data rates, and the

> WMA files are about 125 KB per minute. So, 's KQED show

would

> take up about 7.5 MB if done that way.

>

> The URL for that software, if you're curious, is:

>

>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools/on

> demand.asp

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > I know lots of people who stream RealAudio. You can get

the

> basic

> > conversion software for free from Real.com

> >

> > http://www.realnetworks.com/products/producer/index.html?

> src=010301realhome_

> > 1,ra8smsk_123100,gstartd_120100,toolsmn_022101

>

> Thanks - I'll take a look at that. I've already downloaded a

Windows

> Media convertor from Microsoft, and put a couple of audio files

> through it. I'm getting good results at low data rates, and the

> WMA files are about 125 KB per minute. So, 's KQED show

would

> take up about 7.5 MB if done that way.

>

> The URL for that software, if you're curious, is:

>

>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools/on

> demand.asp

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Sounds like either one of us can take this one up. It's relatively

easy to

> do as you're finding out now. All we've got to do now is pester

for

> the file or the tape :0)

Okay, I'll get on it right away.

Best,