Re: /Lycopus Compound effective for Graves?

December 15, 2001

Hi -

There are several articles that indicate that Lemon Balm () can be

beneficial for GD symptoms. If you check in the archives for this group for

articles from " galdalf " (also known as ) he's been using the lemon

balm as a tea, which to me sounded like a nicer way to do it. I don't think

I'd like all that alcohol, and did it say how much lemon balm was in it?

That would be something I'd like to know. buys the dried herb itself

(from internet sources like Mountain Rose Herbs) and brews it as a tea. This

way, you know what you're getting. I know I had a discussion with him about

it at the time, so there should be several messages about it back in

October. Maybe he'll pop in and give us an update on how it's been working

for him. I'd be curious to know, too. I managed to find some lemon balm in a

tea blend here, so I'm trying that.

Here are a couple sites with more info and an article - take a look.

http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsConditions/Hyperthyroidismcc.ht

ml

Here is a link with much Lemon Balm info:

http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsHerbs/LemonBalmch.html

http://www.naturalhealthnotebook.com/Herbs/Latin_Herbs/Genu

s-M/_officinalis.htm

Thyroid gland hormonal effects

Lemon balm extract interferes with thyroid stimulating hormone

binding with Graves' immunoglobulin (Graves'-specific IgE) and

consequent thyroid activation. That is, it mildly reduces thyroid

activity and is thus helpful for hyperthyroid conditions such as

Grave's disease.

The rosmarinic and lithospermic acids in freeze dried lemon

balm extract were found to bind with thyrotropin to prevent it and

the thyroid-stimulating immunoglobulin (TSI) from stimulating

receptor sites in the thyroid.

Auf'mkolk M et al, Inhibition by certain plant extracts of the binding

and adenylate cyclas stimulatory effect of bovine thyrotropin in

human thyroid membranes. Endocrinology 1984;115(2):527.

Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extract with

antithyroitropic activity. Endocrinology 1985 116(5):1677 & 1687.

Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extracts with

antithyrotropic activity: Oxidation products of derivatives of

3,4-dihydroxycinnamic acid. Endocrinology 1985;116(5):1677.

The hormonal effect of lemon balm is less than Lithospermum

officinales, Lycopus virginicus or Lycopus europaeus). It is not

potent enough to adversely affect people with normal thyroid

function. The activity was traced to caffeic acid oligomers such

as rosmarinic acid and lithospermic acid.

Auto-oxidation of the caffeic acid deribatives to ortho-quinones

may contribute to the biological activity.

Sourgens H et al, Antihormonal effects of plant extracts, TSH-

and prolactin-suppressing properties of Lithospermum officinale

and other plants. 1982 Planta Medica 45:78,

Lemon balm is contraindicated if hypothyroid condition because

of its antithyrotropic properties.

/Lycopus Compound effective for Graves?

>I had been curious about this herbal/vitamin shop and today I finally

>stopped in. I gave him a laundary list of what's been going on. For

>Graves disease, he suggested this:

>

>/Lycopus Compound

>By Herbalist Alchemist

>2 Oz 60ml $18.55

>

>Normalizes hyperthyroid conditions with a wide array of symptoms

>including nervousness, tachycardia, racing pulse, agitation &

>anxiety.

>

>The contents are vague but include:

>

>Propietary blend of Motherart aerial parts

>Lemon Balm aerial parts

>Bugleweed aerial parts

>Average alcohol content 45%

>

>I'm supposed to take two full droppers, three times a day and see my

>thyroid normal after TWO weeks. This sounds a tad agressive but I'm

>game.

>

>Has anyone tried this? Or is it a waste of time? I know very little

>about these herbs and how they interact with the body. I was also

>curious about the alcohol content. That seems a bit high - 45%?

>

>All opinions are encouraged and don't hold back. If it's a come on,

>tell me.

>

>Best Regards,

>

>nancy

>

>-------------------------------------

>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

endorsement of

>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

December 15, 2001

Thanks . No, it doesn't state the lemon balm percentage.

The only percentage it states is the alcohol percentage.

WOW! Lots of links to read and I'll look up what galdalf says. I

kind of prefer the more natrual approach but not sure of what I am

doing.

Thank you again. I didn't want to run off with an obvious quack

type solution.

Best Regards,

> Hi -

>

> There are several articles that indicate that Lemon Balm ()

can be

> beneficial for GD symptoms. If you check in the archives for this

group for

> articles from " galdalf " (also known as ) he's been using the

lemon

> balm as a tea, which to me sounded like a nicer way to do it. I

don't think

> I'd like all that alcohol, and did it say how much lemon balm was

in it?

> That would be something I'd like to know. buys the dried

herb itself

> (from internet sources like Mountain Rose Herbs) and brews it as a

tea. This

> way, you know what you're getting. I know I had a discussion with

him about

> it at the time, so there should be several messages about it back in

> October. Maybe he'll pop in and give us an update on how it's been

working

> for him. I'd be curious to know, too. I managed to find some lemon

balm in a

> tea blend here, so I'm trying that.

>

> Here are a couple sites with more info and an article - take a look.

>

http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsConditions/Hyperthyroidis

mcc.ht

> ml

>

> Here is a link with much Lemon Balm info:

> http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsHerbs/LemonBalmch.html

>

> http://www.naturalhealthnotebook.com/Herbs/Latin_Herbs/Genu

> s-M/_officinalis.htm

>

> Thyroid gland hormonal effects

>

> Lemon balm extract interferes with thyroid stimulating hormone

> binding with Graves' immunoglobulin (Graves'-specific IgE) and

> consequent thyroid activation. That is, it mildly reduces thyroid

> activity and is thus helpful for hyperthyroid conditions such as

> Grave's disease.

>

> The rosmarinic and lithospermic acids in freeze dried lemon

> balm extract were found to bind with thyrotropin to prevent it and

> the thyroid-stimulating immunoglobulin (TSI) from stimulating

> receptor sites in the thyroid.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, Inhibition by certain plant extracts of the

binding

> and adenylate cyclas stimulatory effect of bovine thyrotropin in

> human thyroid membranes. Endocrinology 1984;115(2):527.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extract with

> antithyroitropic activity. Endocrinology 1985 116(5):1677 & 1687.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extracts with

> antithyrotropic activity: Oxidation products of derivatives of

>

> 3,4-dihydroxycinnamic acid. Endocrinology 1985;116(5):1677.

>

> The hormonal effect of lemon balm is less than Lithospermum

> officinales, Lycopus virginicus or Lycopus europaeus). It is not

> potent enough to adversely affect people with normal thyroid

> function. The activity was traced to caffeic acid oligomers such

> as rosmarinic acid and lithospermic acid.

>

> Auto-oxidation of the caffeic acid deribatives to ortho-quinones

> may contribute to the biological activity.

> Sourgens H et al, Antihormonal effects of plant extracts, TSH-

> and prolactin-suppressing properties of Lithospermum officinale

> and other plants. 1982 Planta Medica 45:78,

>

> Lemon balm is contraindicated if hypothyroid condition because

> of its antithyrotropic properties.

> /Lycopus Compound effective for

Graves?

>

> >I had been curious about this herbal/vitamin shop and today I

finally

> >stopped in. I gave him a laundary list of what's been going on.

For

> >Graves disease, he suggested this:

> >

> >/Lycopus Compound

> >By Herbalist Alchemist

> >2 Oz 60ml $18.55

> >

> >Normalizes hyperthyroid conditions with a wide array of symptoms

> >including nervousness, tachycardia, racing pulse, agitation &

> >anxiety.

> >

> >The contents are vague but include:

> >

> >Propietary blend of Motherart aerial parts

> >Lemon Balm aerial parts

> >Bugleweed aerial parts

> >Average alcohol content 45%

> >

> >I'm supposed to take two full droppers, three times a day and see

my

> >thyroid normal after TWO weeks. This sounds a tad agressive but

I'm

> >game.

> >

> >Has anyone tried this? Or is it a waste of time? I know very

little

> >about these herbs and how they interact with the body. I was also

> >curious about the alcohol content. That seems a bit high - 45%?

> >

> >All opinions are encouraged and don't hold back. If it's a come

on,

> >tell me.

> >

> >Best Regards,

> >

> >nancy

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to

emails.

> >-------------------------------------------------------------------

--------

> -----------

> >

December 15, 2001

Thanks . No, it doesn't state the lemon balm percentage.

The only percentage it states is the alcohol percentage.

WOW! Lots of links to read and I'll look up what galdalf says. I

kind of prefer the more natrual approach but not sure of what I am

doing.

Thank you again. I didn't want to run off with an obvious quack

type solution.

Best Regards,

> Hi -

>

> There are several articles that indicate that Lemon Balm ()

can be

> beneficial for GD symptoms. If you check in the archives for this

group for

> articles from " galdalf " (also known as ) he's been using the

lemon

> balm as a tea, which to me sounded like a nicer way to do it. I

don't think

> I'd like all that alcohol, and did it say how much lemon balm was

in it?

> That would be something I'd like to know. buys the dried

herb itself

> (from internet sources like Mountain Rose Herbs) and brews it as a

tea. This

> way, you know what you're getting. I know I had a discussion with

him about

> it at the time, so there should be several messages about it back in

> October. Maybe he'll pop in and give us an update on how it's been

working

> for him. I'd be curious to know, too. I managed to find some lemon

balm in a

> tea blend here, so I'm trying that.

>

> Here are a couple sites with more info and an article - take a look.

>

http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsConditions/Hyperthyroidis

mcc.ht

> ml

>

> Here is a link with much Lemon Balm info:

> http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsHerbs/LemonBalmch.html

>

> http://www.naturalhealthnotebook.com/Herbs/Latin_Herbs/Genu

> s-M/_officinalis.htm

>

> Thyroid gland hormonal effects

>

> Lemon balm extract interferes with thyroid stimulating hormone

> binding with Graves' immunoglobulin (Graves'-specific IgE) and

> consequent thyroid activation. That is, it mildly reduces thyroid

> activity and is thus helpful for hyperthyroid conditions such as

> Grave's disease.

>

> The rosmarinic and lithospermic acids in freeze dried lemon

> balm extract were found to bind with thyrotropin to prevent it and

> the thyroid-stimulating immunoglobulin (TSI) from stimulating

> receptor sites in the thyroid.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, Inhibition by certain plant extracts of the

binding

> and adenylate cyclas stimulatory effect of bovine thyrotropin in

> human thyroid membranes. Endocrinology 1984;115(2):527.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extract with

> antithyroitropic activity. Endocrinology 1985 116(5):1677 & 1687.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extracts with

> antithyrotropic activity: Oxidation products of derivatives of

>

> 3,4-dihydroxycinnamic acid. Endocrinology 1985;116(5):1677.

>

> The hormonal effect of lemon balm is less than Lithospermum

> officinales, Lycopus virginicus or Lycopus europaeus). It is not

> potent enough to adversely affect people with normal thyroid

> function. The activity was traced to caffeic acid oligomers such

> as rosmarinic acid and lithospermic acid.

>

> Auto-oxidation of the caffeic acid deribatives to ortho-quinones

> may contribute to the biological activity.

> Sourgens H et al, Antihormonal effects of plant extracts, TSH-

> and prolactin-suppressing properties of Lithospermum officinale

> and other plants. 1982 Planta Medica 45:78,

>

> Lemon balm is contraindicated if hypothyroid condition because

> of its antithyrotropic properties.

> /Lycopus Compound effective for

Graves?

>

> >I had been curious about this herbal/vitamin shop and today I

finally

> >stopped in. I gave him a laundary list of what's been going on.

For

> >Graves disease, he suggested this:

> >

> >/Lycopus Compound

> >By Herbalist Alchemist

> >2 Oz 60ml $18.55

> >

> >Normalizes hyperthyroid conditions with a wide array of symptoms

> >including nervousness, tachycardia, racing pulse, agitation &

> >anxiety.

> >

> >The contents are vague but include:

> >

> >Propietary blend of Motherart aerial parts

> >Lemon Balm aerial parts

> >Bugleweed aerial parts

> >Average alcohol content 45%

> >

> >I'm supposed to take two full droppers, three times a day and see

my

> >thyroid normal after TWO weeks. This sounds a tad agressive but

I'm

> >game.

> >

> >Has anyone tried this? Or is it a waste of time? I know very

little

> >about these herbs and how they interact with the body. I was also

> >curious about the alcohol content. That seems a bit high - 45%?

> >

> >All opinions are encouraged and don't hold back. If it's a come

on,

> >tell me.

> >

> >Best Regards,

> >

> >nancy

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to

emails.

> >-------------------------------------------------------------------

--------

> -----------

> >

December 15, 2001

Oh,oh. I started using it WITH my PTU. It seems that you have to

chose between the two:

" Although it has not yet been demonstrated in scientific studies in

humans, lemon balm may interfere with thyroid medications. If you are

taking medications to regulate your thyroid, you should not use lemon

balm. "

That's from the second link. I'll have to think about that.

Best Regards,

> Hi -

>

> There are several articles that indicate that Lemon Balm ()

can be

> beneficial for GD symptoms. If you check in the archives for this

group for

> articles from " galdalf " (also known as ) he's been using the

lemon

> balm as a tea, which to me sounded like a nicer way to do it. I

don't think

> I'd like all that alcohol, and did it say how much lemon balm was

in it?

> That would be something I'd like to know. buys the dried

herb itself

> (from internet sources like Mountain Rose Herbs) and brews it as a

tea. This

> way, you know what you're getting. I know I had a discussion with

him about

> it at the time, so there should be several messages about it back in

> October. Maybe he'll pop in and give us an update on how it's been

working

> for him. I'd be curious to know, too. I managed to find some lemon

balm in a

> tea blend here, so I'm trying that.

>

> Here are a couple sites with more info and an article - take a look.

>

http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsConditions/Hyperthyroidis

mcc.ht

> ml

>

> Here is a link with much Lemon Balm info:

> http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/com/ConsHerbs/LemonBalmch.html

>

> http://www.naturalhealthnotebook.com/Herbs/Latin_Herbs/Genu

> s-M/_officinalis.htm

>

> Thyroid gland hormonal effects

>

> Lemon balm extract interferes with thyroid stimulating hormone

> binding with Graves' immunoglobulin (Graves'-specific IgE) and

> consequent thyroid activation. That is, it mildly reduces thyroid

> activity and is thus helpful for hyperthyroid conditions such as

> Grave's disease.

>

> The rosmarinic and lithospermic acids in freeze dried lemon

> balm extract were found to bind with thyrotropin to prevent it and

> the thyroid-stimulating immunoglobulin (TSI) from stimulating

> receptor sites in the thyroid.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, Inhibition by certain plant extracts of the

binding

> and adenylate cyclas stimulatory effect of bovine thyrotropin in

> human thyroid membranes. Endocrinology 1984;115(2):527.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extract with

> antithyroitropic activity. Endocrinology 1985 116(5):1677 & 1687.

> Auf'mkolk M et al, The active principles of plant extracts with

> antithyrotropic activity: Oxidation products of derivatives of

>

> 3,4-dihydroxycinnamic acid. Endocrinology 1985;116(5):1677.

>

> The hormonal effect of lemon balm is less than Lithospermum

> officinales, Lycopus virginicus or Lycopus europaeus). It is not

> potent enough to adversely affect people with normal thyroid

> function. The activity was traced to caffeic acid oligomers such

> as rosmarinic acid and lithospermic acid.

>

> Auto-oxidation of the caffeic acid deribatives to ortho-quinones

> may contribute to the biological activity.

> Sourgens H et al, Antihormonal effects of plant extracts, TSH-

> and prolactin-suppressing properties of Lithospermum officinale

> and other plants. 1982 Planta Medica 45:78,

>

> Lemon balm is contraindicated if hypothyroid condition because

> of its antithyrotropic properties.

> /Lycopus Compound effective for

Graves?

>

> >I had been curious about this herbal/vitamin shop and today I

finally

> >stopped in. I gave him a laundary list of what's been going on.

For

> >Graves disease, he suggested this:

> >

> >/Lycopus Compound

> >By Herbalist Alchemist

> >2 Oz 60ml $18.55

> >

> >Normalizes hyperthyroid conditions with a wide array of symptoms

> >including nervousness, tachycardia, racing pulse, agitation &

> >anxiety.

> >

> >The contents are vague but include:

> >

> >Propietary blend of Motherart aerial parts

> >Lemon Balm aerial parts

> >Bugleweed aerial parts

> >Average alcohol content 45%

> >

> >I'm supposed to take two full droppers, three times a day and see

my

> >thyroid normal after TWO weeks. This sounds a tad agressive but

I'm

> >game.

> >

> >Has anyone tried this? Or is it a waste of time? I know very

little

> >about these herbs and how they interact with the body. I was also

> >curious about the alcohol content. That seems a bit high - 45%?

> >

> >All opinions are encouraged and don't hold back. If it's a come

on,

> >tell me.

> >

> >Best Regards,

> >

> >nancy

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to

emails.

> >-------------------------------------------------------------------

--------

> -----------

> >

December 15, 2001

Hi ,

Good to see you again.

Thanks for your take on my friends 'issue'. I am still waiting, and thinking

on this

reply to her.

You say... " Although it has not yet been demonstrated in

scientific studies in

humans, lemon balm may interfere with thyroid

medications. If you are

taking medications to regulate your thyroid, you

should not use lemon

balm. "

It sounds like it is written for hypo folks on Synthroid or such, ( like most

everything),

but is a valid point. Seems to me, if this worked you would need less PTU. So

watching

symptoms and getting labs, and really keeping track of all your doses of both,

would be

the way to go.

My thinking on this is based on my new vitamin routine, that is making my need

for PTU

less each month. Right now, it is all moving too fast for me LOL ! I keep

lowering my PTU

dose, and keep being slightly hypo. So something is working . Kinda like sliding

downhill,

and having fun ! Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Wow, 45%....that would give me a little buzz, even in that small of an amount.

No hot

buttered rum for you.

-Pam-

December 15, 2001

Hi ,

Good to see you again.

Thanks for your take on my friends 'issue'. I am still waiting, and thinking

on this

reply to her.

You say... " Although it has not yet been demonstrated in

scientific studies in

humans, lemon balm may interfere with thyroid

medications. If you are

taking medications to regulate your thyroid, you

should not use lemon

balm. "

It sounds like it is written for hypo folks on Synthroid or such, ( like most

everything),

but is a valid point. Seems to me, if this worked you would need less PTU. So

watching

symptoms and getting labs, and really keeping track of all your doses of both,

would be

the way to go.

My thinking on this is based on my new vitamin routine, that is making my need

for PTU

less each month. Right now, it is all moving too fast for me LOL ! I keep

lowering my PTU

dose, and keep being slightly hypo. So something is working . Kinda like sliding

downhill,

and having fun ! Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Wow, 45%....that would give me a little buzz, even in that small of an amount.

No hot

buttered rum for you.

-Pam-

December 15, 2001

Hehehe,

you say...I'm not

going to mention the supplement.

Don't......I didn't. It is not why I am paying him. I want to know where my

levels are,

and have him look at me, and notice if anything is more odd than normal. LOL ,

but true.

Some kind soul here told me not to mention a couple of things, ( thanks again)

but some

how, I let it slip that I was taking 1/4 pill less, and I felt better but was

worried

because my BP is going back up.

Well, this resulted in a lost , but traumatic 15 min, with us debating PTU, and

his

concern about the drug induced lupus, that Elaine has explained. Then my labs

disappeared

in the mail, so I have been worried sick for two weeks over nothing. Guess

what...I went

down a bit hypo......so that 1'4 pill less was a darn good idea on my part. I

told him, I

had labs before I did that.....what is so complicated here?

And you know what, I am today reducing one more 1/4 pill. I have my new labs to

confirm it

is the right thing to do. Will I argue about it next time????? Time will tell.

But I will

be sure to change the subject. It's my money, I worked hard for it, and we

will discuss

what I want.

I know alcohol goes straight to my head now, but I have been thinking about my

once a year

hot buttered rum. Should I have it xmas eve or new years eve. LOL If my old

friends could

hear me now. I also know it will take a whole day to get over it now, so I shall

plan

ahead.

-Pam- finally learning to trust myself

December 15, 2001

Hehehe,

you say...I'm not

going to mention the supplement.

Don't......I didn't. It is not why I am paying him. I want to know where my

levels are,

and have him look at me, and notice if anything is more odd than normal. LOL ,

but true.

Some kind soul here told me not to mention a couple of things, ( thanks again)

but some

how, I let it slip that I was taking 1/4 pill less, and I felt better but was

worried

because my BP is going back up.

Well, this resulted in a lost , but traumatic 15 min, with us debating PTU, and

his

concern about the drug induced lupus, that Elaine has explained. Then my labs

disappeared

in the mail, so I have been worried sick for two weeks over nothing. Guess

what...I went

down a bit hypo......so that 1'4 pill less was a darn good idea on my part. I

told him, I

had labs before I did that.....what is so complicated here?

And you know what, I am today reducing one more 1/4 pill. I have my new labs to

confirm it

is the right thing to do. Will I argue about it next time????? Time will tell.

But I will

be sure to change the subject. It's my money, I worked hard for it, and we

will discuss

what I want.

I know alcohol goes straight to my head now, but I have been thinking about my

once a year

hot buttered rum. Should I have it xmas eve or new years eve. LOL If my old

friends could

hear me now. I also know it will take a whole day to get over it now, so I shall

plan

ahead.

-Pam- finally learning to trust myself

December 15, 2001

Hehehe,

you say...I'm not

going to mention the supplement.

Don't......I didn't. It is not why I am paying him. I want to know where my

levels are,

and have him look at me, and notice if anything is more odd than normal. LOL ,

but true.

Some kind soul here told me not to mention a couple of things, ( thanks again)

but some

how, I let it slip that I was taking 1/4 pill less, and I felt better but was

worried

because my BP is going back up.

Well, this resulted in a lost , but traumatic 15 min, with us debating PTU, and

his

concern about the drug induced lupus, that Elaine has explained. Then my labs

disappeared

in the mail, so I have been worried sick for two weeks over nothing. Guess

what...I went

down a bit hypo......so that 1'4 pill less was a darn good idea on my part. I

told him, I

had labs before I did that.....what is so complicated here?

And you know what, I am today reducing one more 1/4 pill. I have my new labs to

confirm it

is the right thing to do. Will I argue about it next time????? Time will tell.

But I will

be sure to change the subject. It's my money, I worked hard for it, and we

will discuss

what I want.

I know alcohol goes straight to my head now, but I have been thinking about my

once a year

hot buttered rum. Should I have it xmas eve or new years eve. LOL If my old

friends could

hear me now. I also know it will take a whole day to get over it now, so I shall

plan

ahead.

-Pam- finally learning to trust myself

December 15, 2001

Pam,

As one who has reduced dosage multiple times without " permission " from my

endo, I KNOW that trusting ourselves to know when to shave that 1/4 pill

away based on how we feel, is right. I can't wait until I get blood work

done (Monday) and see him (Xmas eve). Last visit he wanted me on 10, but I'd

dropped to 7.5 mg., and since then I've dropped to 5, 3.75, 2.5 and now

1.25...and I'm pretty sure I'm OFF after this bloodwork comes back.

The thing that did it (that is, gave me confidence) was forcing him to order

TSI in August--he didn't want to, I documented the whole thing here--and he

didn't trust the results, which showed my antibodies were way, way down--

but I knew that I was heading for remission even if he didn't. And I am so

excited to see what my labs are, cause they I have no doubt whatsoever that

they will validate what I've been doing.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:28:22 -0800

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Re: /Lycopus Compound effective for

> Graves?

>

> Hehehe,

> you say...I'm not

> going to mention the supplement.

>

> Don't......I didn't. It is not why I am paying him. I want to know where my

> levels are,

> and have him look at me, and notice if anything is more odd than normal. LOL ,

> but true.

>

> Some kind soul here told me not to mention a couple of things, ( thanks again)

> but some

> how, I let it slip that I was taking 1/4 pill less, and I felt better but was

> worried

> because my BP is going back up.

> Well, this resulted in a lost , but traumatic 15 min, with us debating PTU,

> and his

> concern about the drug induced lupus, that Elaine has explained. Then my labs

> disappeared

> in the mail, so I have been worried sick for two weeks over nothing. Guess

> what...I went

> down a bit hypo......so that 1'4 pill less was a darn good idea on my part. I

> told him, I

> had labs before I did that.....what is so complicated here?

>

> And you know what, I am today reducing one more 1/4 pill. I have my new labs

> to confirm it

> is the right thing to do. Will I argue about it next time????? Time will tell.

> But I will

> be sure to change the subject. It's my money, I worked hard for it, and we

> will discuss

> what I want.

>

> I know alcohol goes straight to my head now, but I have been thinking about my

> once a year

> hot buttered rum. Should I have it xmas eve or new years eve. LOL If my old

> friends could

> hear me now. I also know it will take a whole day to get over it now, so I

> shall plan

> ahead.

>

> -Pam- finally learning to trust myself

>

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