Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

[Guest guest]

I always wondered why, if autism WAS as genetic & inheritable as "they" are saying, then why aren't the parents of all these autistic kids also autistic or why arent' their grandparents?

And if autism IS as genetic and inheritable as "they" are saying, then why the sudden outburst of autism throughout the world? Why, in this exact point of time in mankind's evolutionary journey, are genes all of a sudden churning out "autism" everywhere on the planet.?

Are they saying that the exact people whose exact gene mix would be the exact right combination to produce autism all of a sudden are getting married and having kids? Are they saying that THIS is the reason for the autism phenonema? Isn't calling autism "genetic" necessarily saying that this must be true?

The answers to THESE questions, I have never seen answered in any study, "big" or not. Has anybody?

Almost all species of all creatures--from elephants to dogs to rats to ants--have innate social capabilities. How insidious an infliction to have these social capabilities robbed from any creature! Or from any human being! ESPECIALLY from innocent children--OUR children.

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: " Heifferon" gary00001@... gary0323_44

Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:37 pm (PDT)

Diane, I always thought they were the same. What fascinates me aboutpsychological labels is that it displays a percentage. If a person has acertain psychological condition there is a higher chance a sibling will alsodevelop the problem than the general public. And the percentage goes evenhigher for identical twins. But how do you explain those people in thosegroups who do not develop the problem. I don't think genetics can explain how fast the numbers have grown. If wereally didn't fully understand the problem before and we placed all thosepeople into institutions that means there should be a large decrease ininstitutionalized adults. And speaking of adults, where are they?From: sList [mailto:sList ] OnBehalf Of Diane RosensteinSent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:22 AMTo: sList Subject: Re:: Big study identifies new genes that may beinvolved in autismWhat I found most interesting in the blurb about the study was that therewere some children who had gene (alterations or deletions) that theirparents DID NOT have.I've always assumed that "genetic" was the same as "inherited". Obviously,this is not true.

[Guest guest]

I always wondered why, if autism WAS as genetic & inheritable as "they" are saying, then why aren't the parents of all these autistic kids also autistic or why arent' their grandparents?

And if autism IS as genetic and inheritable as "they" are saying, then why the sudden outburst of autism throughout the world? Why, in this exact point of time in mankind's evolutionary journey, are genes all of a sudden churning out "autism" everywhere on the planet.?

Are they saying that the exact people whose exact gene mix would be the exact right combination to produce autism all of a sudden are getting married and having kids? Are they saying that THIS is the reason for the autism phenonema? Isn't calling autism "genetic" necessarily saying that this must be true?

The answers to THESE questions, I have never seen answered in any study, "big" or not. Has anybody?

Almost all species of all creatures--from elephants to dogs to rats to ants--have innate social capabilities. How insidious an infliction to have these social capabilities robbed from any creature! Or from any human being! ESPECIALLY from innocent children--OUR children.

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: " Heifferon" gary00001@... gary0323_44

Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:37 pm (PDT)

Diane, I always thought they were the same. What fascinates me aboutpsychological labels is that it displays a percentage. If a person has acertain psychological condition there is a higher chance a sibling will alsodevelop the problem than the general public. And the percentage goes evenhigher for identical twins. But how do you explain those people in thosegroups who do not develop the problem. I don't think genetics can explain how fast the numbers have grown. If wereally didn't fully understand the problem before and we placed all thosepeople into institutions that means there should be a large decrease ininstitutionalized adults. And speaking of adults, where are they?From: sList [mailto:sList ] OnBehalf Of Diane RosensteinSent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:22 AMTo: sList Subject: Re:: Big study identifies new genes that may beinvolved in autismWhat I found most interesting in the blurb about the study was that therewere some children who had gene (alterations or deletions) that theirparents DID NOT have.I've always assumed that "genetic" was the same as "inherited". Obviously,this is not true.

[Guest guest]

I always wondered why, if autism WAS as genetic & inheritable as "they" are saying, then why aren't the parents of all these autistic kids also autistic or why arent' their grandparents?

And if autism IS as genetic and inheritable as "they" are saying, then why the sudden outburst of autism throughout the world? Why, in this exact point of time in mankind's evolutionary journey, are genes all of a sudden churning out "autism" everywhere on the planet.?

Are they saying that the exact people whose exact gene mix would be the exact right combination to produce autism all of a sudden are getting married and having kids? Are they saying that THIS is the reason for the autism phenonema? Isn't calling autism "genetic" necessarily saying that this must be true?

The answers to THESE questions, I have never seen answered in any study, "big" or not. Has anybody?

Almost all species of all creatures--from elephants to dogs to rats to ants--have innate social capabilities. How insidious an infliction to have these social capabilities robbed from any creature! Or from any human being! ESPECIALLY from innocent children--OUR children.

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: " Heifferon" gary00001@... gary0323_44

Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:37 pm (PDT)

Diane, I always thought they were the same. What fascinates me aboutpsychological labels is that it displays a percentage. If a person has acertain psychological condition there is a higher chance a sibling will alsodevelop the problem than the general public. And the percentage goes evenhigher for identical twins. But how do you explain those people in thosegroups who do not develop the problem. I don't think genetics can explain how fast the numbers have grown. If wereally didn't fully understand the problem before and we placed all thosepeople into institutions that means there should be a large decrease ininstitutionalized adults. And speaking of adults, where are they?From: sList [mailto:sList ] OnBehalf Of Diane RosensteinSent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:22 AMTo: sList Subject: Re:: Big study identifies new genes that may beinvolved in autismWhat I found most interesting in the blurb about the study was that therewere some children who had gene (alterations or deletions) that theirparents DID NOT have.I've always assumed that "genetic" was the same as "inherited". Obviously,this is not true.

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Did you know that ASD stands for autism spectrum disorder (less commonly known as pervasive developmental disorders?). And that there are FIVE of these autism spectrum disorders:

1) autism

2) aspergers

3) PDD-NOS

4) Rett's

5) Childhood Diintegrative Disorder

Re: Re:: Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism Juli and other readers, Retts is not part of ASD and must not be confused with ASD. Retts and autism are both Pervasive Developmental Disorders, that's all what they have in common. Retts is very different from ASD, and typically visible due to the baby's large head and severe psychomotor difficulties at a very young age.

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Did you know that ASD stands for autism spectrum disorder (less commonly known as pervasive developmental disorders?). And that there are FIVE of these autism spectrum disorders:

1) autism

2) aspergers

3) PDD-NOS

4) Rett's

5) Childhood Diintegrative Disorder

Re: Re:: Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism Juli and other readers, Retts is not part of ASD and must not be confused with ASD. Retts and autism are both Pervasive Developmental Disorders, that's all what they have in common. Retts is very different from ASD, and typically visible due to the baby's large head and severe psychomotor difficulties at a very young age.

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Did you know that ASD stands for autism spectrum disorder (less commonly known as pervasive developmental disorders?). And that there are FIVE of these autism spectrum disorders:

1) autism

2) aspergers

3) PDD-NOS

4) Rett's

5) Childhood Diintegrative Disorder

Re: Re:: Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism Juli and other readers, Retts is not part of ASD and must not be confused with ASD. Retts and autism are both Pervasive Developmental Disorders, that's all what they have in common. Retts is very different from ASD, and typically visible due to the baby's large head and severe psychomotor difficulties at a very young age.

[Guest guest]

And also why, mostly, all of a startling sudden?

Also, They are saying gene mutation or deletions. Not just plain old height genes or cleft palate gene.

Actually, the reason humans have intelligence in the first place is because of a gene mutation. A gene "defect" greatly weakened our jaw strength, and left a whole lot of room in our skull for a big brain to grow. A gorilla's skull if mostly filled with jaw muscle. I think.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cPZh8MFjZU4J:www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm%3Fart%3D887+gorilla+jaw+muscle & cd=1 & hl=en & ct=clnk & gl=us

So maybe the boom of autistic children is evolution. Please! Don't throw anything at me!

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: "tiffany thomsen" dreamstar52@... dreamstar52

Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:17 pm (PDT)

The real question is: What the heck is in our environment so readily available that 1 in 99 children are on the spectrum?

[Guest guest]

And also why, mostly, all of a startling sudden?

Also, They are saying gene mutation or deletions. Not just plain old height genes or cleft palate gene.

Actually, the reason humans have intelligence in the first place is because of a gene mutation. A gene "defect" greatly weakened our jaw strength, and left a whole lot of room in our skull for a big brain to grow. A gorilla's skull if mostly filled with jaw muscle. I think.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cPZh8MFjZU4J:www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm%3Fart%3D887+gorilla+jaw+muscle & cd=1 & hl=en & ct=clnk & gl=us

So maybe the boom of autistic children is evolution. Please! Don't throw anything at me!

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: "tiffany thomsen" dreamstar52@... dreamstar52

Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:17 pm (PDT)

The real question is: What the heck is in our environment so readily available that 1 in 99 children are on the spectrum?

[Guest guest]

,

That's what the Discovery Channel and The Learning Channel etc. are for!

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: " Heifferon" gary00001@... gary0323_44

Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:17 pm (PDT)

Although I love the concept of science I only got away from taking general science. I avoided anything above it. Therefore, I have a hard time relating to it and always have a hard time understanding it.

[Guest guest]

,

That's what the Discovery Channel and The Learning Channel etc. are for!

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: " Heifferon" gary00001@... gary0323_44

Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:17 pm (PDT)

Although I love the concept of science I only got away from taking general science. I avoided anything above it. Therefore, I have a hard time relating to it and always have a hard time understanding it.

[Guest guest]

Tina Terri,

What I said is that the reasons that HUMANS INTELLIGENTLY evolved was due to a gene mutation which reduced our jaw strength and allowed more interior skull room for brain growth.

Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

Posted by: "Tina Terri Austin" austintandt@... austintandt

Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:30 am (PDT)

I've actually heard evolution as a reason for asd. In relation to bigger brains, though I'm aware you weren't referring to our kids' bigger head size, the cause is said to be neuroinflammation, not a bigger and or more useful brain.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 16, 2010, at 2:09 AM, "Diane Rosenstein" <Wamtzembellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> And also why, mostly, all of a startling sudden?>> Also, They are saying gene mutation or deletions. Not just plain > old height genes or cleft palate gene.>> Actually, the reason humans have intelligence in the first place is > because of a gene mutation. A gene "defect" greatly weakened our > jaw strength, and left a whole lot of room in our skull for a big > brain to grow. A gorilla's skull is mostly filled with jaw muscle. > I think.>> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cPZh8MFjZU4J:www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm%3Fart%3D887+gorilla+jaw+muscle & cd=1 & hl=en & ct=clnk & gl=us>>> So maybe the boom of autistic children is evolution. Please! Don't > throw anything at me!>

[Guest guest]

Autism Spectrum Disorders (or ASD) IS the umbrella term that is used to cover the 5 Pervasive Developmental Disorders.

You're right, the 2000 DSM-IV uses the term "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" as the umbrella term which was formerly called "Autism Spectrum Disorder".

However, it seems that you are incorrectly using "ASD" to describe just autism (or autistic order)

Autism is one of the 5 ASD (now called PDD, but certainly used interchangably) diagnoses.

And as my other E-mail stated, the other 4 ASD (or PDD) are Aspergers, CDD, Retts, and PDD-NOS.

[Guest guest]

Autism Spectrum Disorders (or ASD) IS the umbrella term that is used to cover the 5 Pervasive Developmental Disorders.

You're right, the 2000 DSM-IV uses the term "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" as the umbrella term which was formerly called "Autism Spectrum Disorder".

However, it seems that you are incorrectly using "ASD" to describe just autism (or autistic order)

Autism is one of the 5 ASD (now called PDD, but certainly used interchangably) diagnoses.

And as my other E-mail stated, the other 4 ASD (or PDD) are Aspergers, CDD, Retts, and PDD-NOS.

[Guest guest]

Autism Spectrum Disorders (or ASD) IS the umbrella term that is used to cover the 5 Pervasive Developmental Disorders.

You're right, the 2000 DSM-IV uses the term "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" as the umbrella term which was formerly called "Autism Spectrum Disorder".

However, it seems that you are incorrectly using "ASD" to describe just autism (or autistic order)

Autism is one of the 5 ASD (now called PDD, but certainly used interchangably) diagnoses.

And as my other E-mail stated, the other 4 ASD (or PDD) are Aspergers, CDD, Retts, and PDD-NOS.

[Guest guest]

Liz!

"Autism spectrum disorder" IS the umbrella term and is the predominantly used term and used interchangably with "Pervasive developmental disorders".

Aspergers is included under the (ASD or PDD) umbrella & does qualify for services.

Sheesh!

If you don't think the term ASD "cannot possibly be an umbrella term", perhaps you should also take this up with the National Institute of Mental Health who state:

Autism Spectrum Disorders (Pervasive Developmental Disorders)

Introduction

What Are the Autism Spectrum Disorders?

The Diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorders

Treatment Options

Adults with an Autism Spectrum Disorder

Research into Causes and Treatment of Autism Spectrum Disorders

References

Introduction

Not until the middle of the twentieth century was there a name for a disorder that now appears to affect an estimated 3.4 every 1,000 children ages 3-10, a disorder that causes disruption in families and unfulfilled lives for many children. In 1943 Dr. Leo Kanner of the s Hopkins Hospital studied a group of 11 children and introduced the label early infantile autism into the English language. At the same time a German scientist, Dr. Hans Asperger, described a milder form of the disorder that became known as Asperger syndrome. Thus these two disorders were described and are today listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR (fourth edition, text revision)1 as two of the five pervasive developmental disorders (PDD), more often referred to today as autism spectrum disorders (ASD). All these disorders are characterized by varying degrees of impairment in communication skills, social interactions, and restricted, repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior.

The autism spectrum disorders can often be reliably detected by the age of 3 years, and in some cases as early as 18 months.2 Studies suggest that many children eventually may be accurately identified by the age of 1 year or even younger. The appearance of any of the warning signs of ASD is reason to have a child evaluated by a professional specializing in these disorders.

Parents are usually the first to notice unusual behaviors in their child. In some cases, the baby seemed “different” from birth, unresponsive to people or focusing intently on one item for long periods of time. The first signs of an ASD can also appear in children who seem to have been developing normally. When an engaging, babbling toddler suddenly becomes silent, withdrawn, self-abusive, or indifferent to social overtures, something is wrong. Research has shown that parents are usually correct about noticing developmental problems, although they may not realize the specific nature or degree of the problem.

The pervasive developmental disorders, or autism spectrum disorders, range from a severe form, called autistic disorder, to a milder form, Asperger syndrome. If a child has symptoms of either of these disorders, but does not meet the specific criteria for either, the diagnosis is called pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS). Other rare, very severe disorders that are included in the autism spectrum disorders are Rett syndrome and childhood disintegrative disorder. This brochure will focus on classic autism, PDD-NOS, and Asperger syndrome, with brief descriptions of Rett syndrome and childhood disintegrative disorder below.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/autism/complete-index.shtml

From: sList [mailto:sList ] OnBehalf Of Lizzie BergSent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:19 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may beinvolved in autismHi,The formal criteria for mental disorders can only be found in DSM-4. It isgreat to discuss ideas with others, but the DSM is the authority or thesource, and provides the formal criteria for autism. Criteria for a mentalhealth diagnosis cannot be left up to organizations or individuals inprivate practice.The term ASD (autism spectrum) does not appear in the DSM, and so thereforeASD cannot possibly be an umbrella term. PDD is the umbrella term. Autism isa Pervasive developmental disorder. Retts is another pervasive developmentaldisorder. Aspergers and Autism are two different diagnoses according to the DSM. Themain difference between the two diagnosis is that young children withAspergers do not have significant language delays.I personally see many kids who I immediately think of as Aspergers kids.They behave and talk very differently from kids with classical autism.However, the kids I am thinking of all had "significant" language problemsin preschool, and therfore would not meet the DSM criteria for Aspergers.Like it or not.A few years ago, I had the opportunity to discuss the diagnosis with thecounty team leader for school psychologists. At that time, he said they didnot label anyone with Aspergers. They only used the label "Autism". Hispoint was that the label Autism gives the child right to ESE services, whichwas the idea anyway. I do not think that the label Asperger's has an ESEcode and therfore can qualify for ESE services. I too feel that more criteria needs to be added to the diagnosis, andperhaps autism is too vague...Liz_____

[Guest guest]

Liz!

"Autism spectrum disorder" IS the umbrella term and is the predominantly used term and used interchangably with "Pervasive developmental disorders".

Aspergers is included under the (ASD or PDD) umbrella & does qualify for services.

Sheesh!

If you don't think the term ASD "cannot possibly be an umbrella term", perhaps you should also take this up with the National Institute of Mental Health who state:

Autism Spectrum Disorders (Pervasive Developmental Disorders)

Introduction

What Are the Autism Spectrum Disorders?

The Diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorders

Treatment Options

Adults with an Autism Spectrum Disorder

Research into Causes and Treatment of Autism Spectrum Disorders

References

Introduction

Not until the middle of the twentieth century was there a name for a disorder that now appears to affect an estimated 3.4 every 1,000 children ages 3-10, a disorder that causes disruption in families and unfulfilled lives for many children. In 1943 Dr. Leo Kanner of the s Hopkins Hospital studied a group of 11 children and introduced the label early infantile autism into the English language. At the same time a German scientist, Dr. Hans Asperger, described a milder form of the disorder that became known as Asperger syndrome. Thus these two disorders were described and are today listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR (fourth edition, text revision)1 as two of the five pervasive developmental disorders (PDD), more often referred to today as autism spectrum disorders (ASD). All these disorders are characterized by varying degrees of impairment in communication skills, social interactions, and restricted, repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior.

The autism spectrum disorders can often be reliably detected by the age of 3 years, and in some cases as early as 18 months.2 Studies suggest that many children eventually may be accurately identified by the age of 1 year or even younger. The appearance of any of the warning signs of ASD is reason to have a child evaluated by a professional specializing in these disorders.

Parents are usually the first to notice unusual behaviors in their child. In some cases, the baby seemed “different” from birth, unresponsive to people or focusing intently on one item for long periods of time. The first signs of an ASD can also appear in children who seem to have been developing normally. When an engaging, babbling toddler suddenly becomes silent, withdrawn, self-abusive, or indifferent to social overtures, something is wrong. Research has shown that parents are usually correct about noticing developmental problems, although they may not realize the specific nature or degree of the problem.

The pervasive developmental disorders, or autism spectrum disorders, range from a severe form, called autistic disorder, to a milder form, Asperger syndrome. If a child has symptoms of either of these disorders, but does not meet the specific criteria for either, the diagnosis is called pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS). Other rare, very severe disorders that are included in the autism spectrum disorders are Rett syndrome and childhood disintegrative disorder. This brochure will focus on classic autism, PDD-NOS, and Asperger syndrome, with brief descriptions of Rett syndrome and childhood disintegrative disorder below.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/autism/complete-index.shtml

From: sList [mailto:sList ] OnBehalf Of Lizzie BergSent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:19 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may beinvolved in autismHi,The formal criteria for mental disorders can only be found in DSM-4. It isgreat to discuss ideas with others, but the DSM is the authority or thesource, and provides the formal criteria for autism. Criteria for a mentalhealth diagnosis cannot be left up to organizations or individuals inprivate practice.The term ASD (autism spectrum) does not appear in the DSM, and so thereforeASD cannot possibly be an umbrella term. PDD is the umbrella term. Autism isa Pervasive developmental disorder. Retts is another pervasive developmentaldisorder. Aspergers and Autism are two different diagnoses according to the DSM. Themain difference between the two diagnosis is that young children withAspergers do not have significant language delays.I personally see many kids who I immediately think of as Aspergers kids.They behave and talk very differently from kids with classical autism.However, the kids I am thinking of all had "significant" language problemsin preschool, and therfore would not meet the DSM criteria for Aspergers.Like it or not.A few years ago, I had the opportunity to discuss the diagnosis with thecounty team leader for school psychologists. At that time, he said they didnot label anyone with Aspergers. They only used the label "Autism". Hispoint was that the label Autism gives the child right to ESE services, whichwas the idea anyway. I do not think that the label Asperger's has an ESEcode and therfore can qualify for ESE services. I too feel that more criteria needs to be added to the diagnosis, andperhaps autism is too vague...Liz_____

[Guest guest]

is evolution still taught in schools because that is just so utterly

idiotic--are you guys just joking, because i find all of this very amusing.

glad my son is on his way to recovering, though not through evolution, but he

grace of God

kind regards

>

> > And also why, mostly, all of a startling sudden?

> >

> > Also, They are saying gene mutation or deletions. Not just plain

> > old height genes or cleft palate gene.

> >

> > Actually, the reason humans have intelligence in the first place is

> > because of a gene mutation. A gene " defect " greatly weakened our

> > jaw strength, and left a whole lot of room in our skull for a big

> > brain to grow. A gorilla's skull if mostly filled with jaw muscle.

> > I think.

> >

> >

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cPZh8MFjZU4J:www.bioedonlin\

e.org/news/news.cfm%3Fart%3D887+gorilla+jaw+muscle & cd=1 & hl=en & ct=clnk & gl=us

> >

> >

> > So maybe the boom of autistic children is evolution. Please! Don't

> > throw anything at me!

> >

> >

> > Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autism

> >

> > Posted by: " tiffany thomsen " dreamstar52@... dreamstar52

> >

> > Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:17 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> > The real question is: What the heck is in our environment so readily

> > available that 1 in 99 children are on the spectrum?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

With regard to autism, evolution, and utters:

St. Augustine, a genius theologian, wanted Christians everywhere to keep abreast of the discoveries of science. His argument was that if you wanted to teach the ideologies of Christianity, it would be offensive and disgraceful if you were ignorant about science and talked "nonsense" with regards to these matters. In other words, there is no way a non-believer would believe someone who appeared so ignorant, and instead would "laugh to scorn" at what they said.

Per St. Augustine: (and this was in the year 400 about)

"Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances,... and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn."- St. Augustine, De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim (The Literal Meaning of Genesis)

Also the discussion on this subject was about autism being evolution, not recovery from autism being due to evolution as you implied.

From: MKelley Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:47 PMTo: sList Subject: Re: : Big study identifies new genes that may be involved in autismis evolution still taught in schools because that is just so utterly idiotic--are you guys just joking, because i find all of this very amusing.glad my son is on his way to recovering, though not through evolution, but he grace of Godkind regards