Re: spelt bread - Iodate in flour in the US

October 30, 2002

Oh thanks for this leg/arm/head work Alisa,

I'm feeling invisible and I'm on the LID and think I'm very hypo.

I'm the one who made spelt flour bread -- right now it is cooling on racks

and smells so great- but now I'm afraid to eat it since my scan dose is this

Friday, etc. w/RAI 11/6 and I don't want to waste this relaxing and ditzy

time, and don't want to do it all over again just because of the bread.

What do you think Ian and Alisa and +++?,

Munira, basking in the oveny good smell

Reply-To: Thyca

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:24:17 -0800

To: Thyca

Subject: Iodate in flour in the US

Hi, folks -

Well, after talking to 4 different people, getting disconnected a few

times, and finally getting to someone who searched out answers, here you

are - The word from the US Food & Drug Administration:

> In response to your telephone inquiry on how to identify flour

containing iodate. FDA has established standards of identity for both

bread and flour under Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (21

CFR).

> Bread, rolls, and buns sold in the United States must meet the

requirements for specific standardized bakery products under 21 CFR

136.110. Under 136.110©(14)(i), the following optional ingredients

may be

> added to bread, rolls, and buns: potassium bromate, calcium bromate,

potassium iodate, calcium iodate and calcium peroxide.

> Flour sold in the United States must meet the requirements for

specific standardized cereal flours and related products under 21 CFR

137.105. Neither bromates nor iodates are listed for use in flour under

> 137.105. However, bromated flour may be sold in the United States

under 21 CFR 137.155. Under 137.155, Bromated flour may contain

potassium bromate in a quantity not exceeding 50 parts to each million

> parts of the finished bromated flour and this potassium bromate can be

added only to flours whose baking qualities are improved by such

addition. No iodated flour is listed for use in the United States.

>

> You can access these FDA regulations through the CFSAN Internet home

page at " http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov " . Go down the right column to the

box " Obtain FDA Documents. " Select the first bullet " Code of

> Federal Regulations " and next select " Title 21 Food and Drugs. " Then

select 21 CFR Parts 100-169 to access FDA's standard of identity

regulations or Parts 170-199 to access FDA's food additive regulations

I am still not TOTALLY clear (I emailed her about this) if this means

there IS no iodated flour in the US, or if it is just not required to be

listed.

Cheers,

Alisa

2/15/2002: Nodule found 2/27/2002: FNA

3/4/2002: Hysterectomy/oopherectomy-possible ovarian cancer - BENIGN!!

4/9/2002: TT - Stage 2 pap 2.5 x 2 x 1.6 cm nodule, dx Hashimotos

5/28/2002: TBS and 100 mCi RAI 6/6/2002: TBS - No sign of mets

Currently - TSH 0.06, 140mcg Levoxyl

Age: 48 Location: near Seattle WA

Please feel free to email me privately anytime

Check out my posts:

Radioactive Girl - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/19472

My LID - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15872

My RAI - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15873

October 31, 2002

Munira

I think that Alisa's work is looking hopeful for flour-in-the-bag, so you

should be OK.

Even if there are any remaining doubts, just avoid eating it for the last few

days.

Ian

> Oh thanks for this leg/arm/head work Alisa,

>

> I'm feeling invisible and I'm on the LID and think I'm very hypo.

>

> I'm the one who made spelt flour bread -- right now it is cooling on racks

> and smells so great- but now I'm afraid to eat it since my scan dose is this

> Friday, etc. w/RAI 11/6 and I don't want to waste this relaxing and ditzy

> time, and don't want to do it all over again just because of the bread.

>

> What do you think Ian and Alisa and +++?,

>

> Munira, basking in the oveny good smell

>

> Reply-To: Thyca

> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:24:17 -0800

> To: Thyca

> Subject: Iodate in flour in the US

>

> Hi, folks -

>

> Well, after talking to 4 different people, getting disconnected a few

> times, and finally getting to someone who searched out answers, here you

> are - The word from the US Food & Drug Administration:

>

> > In response to your telephone inquiry on how to identify flour

> containing iodate. FDA has established standards of identity for both

> bread and flour under Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (21

> CFR).

> > Bread, rolls, and buns sold in the United States must meet the

> requirements for specific standardized bakery products under 21 CFR

> 136.110. Under 136.110©(14)(i), the following optional ingredients

> may be

> > added to bread, rolls, and buns: potassium bromate, calcium bromate,

> potassium iodate, calcium iodate and calcium peroxide.

> > Flour sold in the United States must meet the requirements for

> specific standardized cereal flours and related products under 21 CFR

> 137.105. Neither bromates nor iodates are listed for use in flour under

>

> > 137.105. However, bromated flour may be sold in the United States

> under 21 CFR 137.155. Under 137.155, Bromated flour may contain

> potassium bromate in a quantity not exceeding 50 parts to each million

> > parts of the finished bromated flour and this potassium bromate can be

> added only to flours whose baking qualities are improved by such

> addition. No iodated flour is listed for use in the United States.

> >

> > You can access these FDA regulations through the CFSAN Internet home

> page at " http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov " . Go down the right column to the

> box " Obtain FDA Documents. " Select the first bullet " Code of

> > Federal Regulations " and next select " Title 21 Food and Drugs. " Then

> select 21 CFR Parts 100-169 to access FDA's standard of identity

> regulations or Parts 170-199 to access FDA's food additive regulations

>

> I am still not TOTALLY clear (I emailed her about this) if this means

> there IS no iodated flour in the US, or if it is just not required to be

> listed.

>

> Cheers,

> Alisa

>

> 2/15/2002: Nodule found 2/27/2002: FNA

> 3/4/2002: Hysterectomy/oopherectomy-possible ovarian cancer - BENIGN!!

> 4/9/2002: TT - Stage 2 pap 2.5 x 2 x 1.6 cm nodule, dx Hashimotos

> 5/28/2002: TBS and 100 mCi RAI 6/6/2002: TBS - No sign of mets

> Currently - TSH 0.06, 140mcg Levoxyl

> Age: 48 Location: near Seattle WA

> Please feel free to email me privately anytime

> Check out my posts:

> Radioactive Girl - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/19472

> My LID - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15872

> My RAI - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15873

>

October 31, 2002

Munira

I think that Alisa's work is looking hopeful for flour-in-the-bag, so you

should be OK.

Even if there are any remaining doubts, just avoid eating it for the last few

days.

Ian

> Oh thanks for this leg/arm/head work Alisa,

>

> I'm feeling invisible and I'm on the LID and think I'm very hypo.

>

> I'm the one who made spelt flour bread -- right now it is cooling on racks

> and smells so great- but now I'm afraid to eat it since my scan dose is this

> Friday, etc. w/RAI 11/6 and I don't want to waste this relaxing and ditzy

> time, and don't want to do it all over again just because of the bread.

>

> What do you think Ian and Alisa and +++?,

>

> Munira, basking in the oveny good smell

>

> Reply-To: Thyca

> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:24:17 -0800

> To: Thyca

> Subject: Iodate in flour in the US

>

> Hi, folks -

>

> Well, after talking to 4 different people, getting disconnected a few

> times, and finally getting to someone who searched out answers, here you

> are - The word from the US Food & Drug Administration:

>

> > In response to your telephone inquiry on how to identify flour

> containing iodate. FDA has established standards of identity for both

> bread and flour under Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (21

> CFR).

> > Bread, rolls, and buns sold in the United States must meet the

> requirements for specific standardized bakery products under 21 CFR

> 136.110. Under 136.110©(14)(i), the following optional ingredients

> may be

> > added to bread, rolls, and buns: potassium bromate, calcium bromate,

> potassium iodate, calcium iodate and calcium peroxide.

> > Flour sold in the United States must meet the requirements for

> specific standardized cereal flours and related products under 21 CFR

> 137.105. Neither bromates nor iodates are listed for use in flour under

>

> > 137.105. However, bromated flour may be sold in the United States

> under 21 CFR 137.155. Under 137.155, Bromated flour may contain

> potassium bromate in a quantity not exceeding 50 parts to each million

> > parts of the finished bromated flour and this potassium bromate can be

> added only to flours whose baking qualities are improved by such

> addition. No iodated flour is listed for use in the United States.

> >

> > You can access these FDA regulations through the CFSAN Internet home

> page at " http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov " . Go down the right column to the

> box " Obtain FDA Documents. " Select the first bullet " Code of

> > Federal Regulations " and next select " Title 21 Food and Drugs. " Then

> select 21 CFR Parts 100-169 to access FDA's standard of identity

> regulations or Parts 170-199 to access FDA's food additive regulations

>

> I am still not TOTALLY clear (I emailed her about this) if this means

> there IS no iodated flour in the US, or if it is just not required to be

> listed.

>

> Cheers,

> Alisa

>

> 2/15/2002: Nodule found 2/27/2002: FNA

> 3/4/2002: Hysterectomy/oopherectomy-possible ovarian cancer - BENIGN!!

> 4/9/2002: TT - Stage 2 pap 2.5 x 2 x 1.6 cm nodule, dx Hashimotos

> 5/28/2002: TBS and 100 mCi RAI 6/6/2002: TBS - No sign of mets

> Currently - TSH 0.06, 140mcg Levoxyl

> Age: 48 Location: near Seattle WA

> Please feel free to email me privately anytime

> Check out my posts:

> Radioactive Girl - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/19472

> My LID - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15872

> My RAI - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15873

>

October 31, 2002

Munira

I think that Alisa's work is looking hopeful for flour-in-the-bag, so you

should be OK.

Even if there are any remaining doubts, just avoid eating it for the last few

days.

Ian

> Oh thanks for this leg/arm/head work Alisa,

>

> I'm feeling invisible and I'm on the LID and think I'm very hypo.

>

> I'm the one who made spelt flour bread -- right now it is cooling on racks

> and smells so great- but now I'm afraid to eat it since my scan dose is this

> Friday, etc. w/RAI 11/6 and I don't want to waste this relaxing and ditzy

> time, and don't want to do it all over again just because of the bread.

>

> What do you think Ian and Alisa and +++?,

>

> Munira, basking in the oveny good smell

>

> Reply-To: Thyca

> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:24:17 -0800

> To: Thyca

> Subject: Iodate in flour in the US

>

> Hi, folks -

>

> Well, after talking to 4 different people, getting disconnected a few

> times, and finally getting to someone who searched out answers, here you

> are - The word from the US Food & Drug Administration:

>

> > In response to your telephone inquiry on how to identify flour

> containing iodate. FDA has established standards of identity for both

> bread and flour under Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (21

> CFR).

> > Bread, rolls, and buns sold in the United States must meet the

> requirements for specific standardized bakery products under 21 CFR

> 136.110. Under 136.110©(14)(i), the following optional ingredients

> may be

> > added to bread, rolls, and buns: potassium bromate, calcium bromate,

> potassium iodate, calcium iodate and calcium peroxide.

> > Flour sold in the United States must meet the requirements for

> specific standardized cereal flours and related products under 21 CFR

> 137.105. Neither bromates nor iodates are listed for use in flour under

>

> > 137.105. However, bromated flour may be sold in the United States

> under 21 CFR 137.155. Under 137.155, Bromated flour may contain

> potassium bromate in a quantity not exceeding 50 parts to each million

> > parts of the finished bromated flour and this potassium bromate can be

> added only to flours whose baking qualities are improved by such

> addition. No iodated flour is listed for use in the United States.

> >

> > You can access these FDA regulations through the CFSAN Internet home

> page at " http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov " . Go down the right column to the

> box " Obtain FDA Documents. " Select the first bullet " Code of

> > Federal Regulations " and next select " Title 21 Food and Drugs. " Then

> select 21 CFR Parts 100-169 to access FDA's standard of identity

> regulations or Parts 170-199 to access FDA's food additive regulations

>

> I am still not TOTALLY clear (I emailed her about this) if this means

> there IS no iodated flour in the US, or if it is just not required to be

> listed.

>

> Cheers,

> Alisa

>

> 2/15/2002: Nodule found 2/27/2002: FNA

> 3/4/2002: Hysterectomy/oopherectomy-possible ovarian cancer - BENIGN!!

> 4/9/2002: TT - Stage 2 pap 2.5 x 2 x 1.6 cm nodule, dx Hashimotos

> 5/28/2002: TBS and 100 mCi RAI 6/6/2002: TBS - No sign of mets

> Currently - TSH 0.06, 140mcg Levoxyl

> Age: 48 Location: near Seattle WA

> Please feel free to email me privately anytime

> Check out my posts:

> Radioactive Girl - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/19472

> My LID - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15872

> My RAI - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyca/message/15873

>

October 31, 2002

Ian, and everyone,

Thanks for the reply, but dI can' tell which you are referring to. I bake

from bulk flour and can in the future, insha'allah, contact the store/flour

company and find out the details.

First thing this morning I checked out the posts, and sliced some bread. I

wonder what part the Lasix is playing in my functioning these past three

days as I prepare for the scan dose tomorrow. I am drinking more water,

putting ground flax seeds in the orange juice, and eating extra bananas.

Think that's enough?

Also, when you say " last few days " do you mean next week, before the RAI?

Munira

Reply-To: Thyca

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:07:45 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)

To: Thyca

Subject: Re: spelt bread - Iodate in flour in the US

Munira

I think that Alisa's work is looking hopeful for flour-in-the-bag, so you

should be OK.

November 1, 2002

Munira

I have to plead ignorance on this, I have no idea what Spelt flour is, I've

never seen it here in the UK.

My guess about the bulk flour centers on 'for sale'. This suggests that

retail packs may be treated differently from industrial sacks.

I have not heard of Lasix being used before RAI therapy. Was this recommended

by the person who prescribed your RAI? Who suggested ground flax and bananas?

This is a new dimension to RAI that I have never heard of before.

The 24 hours either side of the RAI are the most important from the LID point

of view, as you get further away from the RAI time (before AND after), the

LID is less an less important. If you are unhappy about your flour,

then do not eat it for the 5 days before the LID, and one or two days after.

Ian

> Ian, and everyone,

>

> Thanks for the reply, but dI can' tell which you are referring to. I bake

> from bulk flour and can in the future, insha'allah, contact the store/flour

> company and find out the details.

>

> First thing this morning I checked out the posts, and sliced some bread. I

> wonder what part the Lasix is playing in my functioning these past three

> days as I prepare for the scan dose tomorrow. I am drinking more water,

> putting ground flax seeds in the orange juice, and eating extra bananas.

> Think that's enough?

>

> Also, when you say " last few days " do you mean next week, before the RAI?

>

> Munira

Ian Adam

Radiation Safety Officer

The Institute of Cancer Research

Cotswold Road

Sutton

Surrey

SM2 5NG

Tel: 020 8722 4250

Fax: 020 8722 4300

EMail: iana@...

November 1, 2002

Hi Ian,

Spelt is an old, old grain. I use it because of reactions to gluten in other

flours. Since it lacks gluten then I must add Xanthan Gum to get it to hold

together. Now I'm going to try to navigate my way through making some

regular spelt bread, without my yummy additions.

Lasix use is a protocol for the University of Washington's thyca treatment.

I normally eat a banana every morning, and normally take 1-2 tablespoons of

flax oil, but since I'm out of flax oil then I ground flax seeds to add to

juice or something instead. It is a great brain booster, contains goodies

like fish oil does. And I have such cognitive slowness right now that I

wanted to be sure to take the flax.

I can't drive now and it's complicated to tell friends where to find all

these things I need now; this I have found to be really weird, their

hesitation to get the things I actually need for this diet.

Last night a friend (who will go anywhere and get anything for me, and she

has a family of five children and an elderly mother, etc to care for)

brought an athletic tooth guard; I boiled and shaped it - ha ha - pretty

funny in my evening state. - but it solved the mouth biting problem. The

nuclear med doctor today confirmed that I have edema pretty much everywhere,

including my tongue and inside my lips. My jaws have occasionally spasmed,

causing me to bite just inside my swollen inner lower lip in two places at

once; I think it's from chewing all that beef that I normally never eat,

unless it's a spontaneous trip when I pass the street on the freeway.

What a relaxing night for my jaw. Ha ha, I left the handle piece on the

mouthguard, and with the wrist splints I strap on for sleeping and the piece

protruding from my enforced relaxed-jaw mouth I made a hilarious picture,

but it felt good.

I did freeze the spelt bread - but because my hospital doesn't permit nuts

and I had loaded it with pecans and walnuts - so I have that to look forward

to.

Reply-To: Thyca

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:17:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)

To: Thyca

Subject: Re: spelt bread - Iodate in flour in the US

Munira

I have to plead ignorance on this, I have no idea what Spelt flour is, I've

never seen it here in the UK.

etc.

November 1, 2002