Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Dean, you multiply the numbers by 10, so Dr 's rules for DDI become: Cu < 10 Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 Ca > 1000 K < 30 Ca/K > 12 Na/K < 2.3 (as you noted the ratios are the same). . > > Hi All, > I'm having trouble converting the figures doctor uses from ARL into figures we can use for DDI tests. > posted this: Dr. 's indicators of hidden copper are: > Cu < 1 > Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 > Ca > 100 > K < 3 > Ca/K > 12 > Na/K < 2.3 > mercury toxicity > > They are reported in Mg%. Now how do you convert in in mcg/g like DDI reports it in? > Probably simple, but I can't figure it out. :-) > (Obviously the rations will remain unchanged) > Dean > > This is from the ARL Lab: > How Does Accutrace Laboratories Report Test Results? > We report our results in Mg%(milligrams percent) or milligrams per 100 grams of hair. This means that 100 grams of hair would contain the reported number of milligrams of the minerals listed. Some possible equivalent ways these units might be referred to are milligrams percent and milligram per deciliter. > > Another method of reporting test results(sometimes used by other laboratories) is ppm(parts per million). To convert ppm to Mg% one would divide the results reported in ppm by 10. For example, 500 ppm/10 equals 50 Mg%. To convert our results to parts per million; simply multiply our result by 10. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Dean, you multiply the numbers by 10, so Dr 's rules for DDI become: Cu < 10 Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 Ca > 1000 K < 30 Ca/K > 12 Na/K < 2.3 (as you noted the ratios are the same). . > > Hi All, > I'm having trouble converting the figures doctor uses from ARL into figures we can use for DDI tests. > posted this: Dr. 's indicators of hidden copper are: > Cu < 1 > Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 > Ca > 100 > K < 3 > Ca/K > 12 > Na/K < 2.3 > mercury toxicity > > They are reported in Mg%. Now how do you convert in in mcg/g like DDI reports it in? > Probably simple, but I can't figure it out. :-) > (Obviously the rations will remain unchanged) > Dean > > This is from the ARL Lab: > How Does Accutrace Laboratories Report Test Results? > We report our results in Mg%(milligrams percent) or milligrams per 100 grams of hair. This means that 100 grams of hair would contain the reported number of milligrams of the minerals listed. Some possible equivalent ways these units might be referred to are milligrams percent and milligram per deciliter. > > Another method of reporting test results(sometimes used by other laboratories) is ppm(parts per million). To convert ppm to Mg% one would divide the results reported in ppm by 10. For example, 500 ppm/10 equals 50 Mg%. To convert our results to parts per million; simply multiply our result by 10. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Dean, you multiply the numbers by 10, so Dr 's rules for DDI become: Cu < 10 Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 Ca > 1000 K < 30 Ca/K > 12 Na/K < 2.3 (as you noted the ratios are the same). . > > Hi All, > I'm having trouble converting the figures doctor uses from ARL into figures we can use for DDI tests. > posted this: Dr. 's indicators of hidden copper are: > Cu < 1 > Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 > Ca > 100 > K < 3 > Ca/K > 12 > Na/K < 2.3 > mercury toxicity > > They are reported in Mg%. Now how do you convert in in mcg/g like DDI reports it in? > Probably simple, but I can't figure it out. :-) > (Obviously the rations will remain unchanged) > Dean > > This is from the ARL Lab: > How Does Accutrace Laboratories Report Test Results? > We report our results in Mg%(milligrams percent) or milligrams per 100 grams of hair. This means that 100 grams of hair would contain the reported number of milligrams of the minerals listed. Some possible equivalent ways these units might be referred to are milligrams percent and milligram per deciliter. > > Another method of reporting test results(sometimes used by other laboratories) is ppm(parts per million). To convert ppm to Mg% one would divide the results reported in ppm by 10. For example, 500 ppm/10 equals 50 Mg%. To convert our results to parts per million; simply multiply our result by 10. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > Hi All, > I'm having trouble converting the figures doctor uses from ARL into figures we can use for DDI tests. > posted this: Dr. 's indicators of hidden copper are: > Cu < 1 > Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 > Ca > 100 > K < 3 > Ca/K > 12 > Na/K < 2.3 > mercury toxicity > > They are reported in Mg%. Now how do you convert in in mcg/g like DDI reports it in? > Probably simple, but I can't figure it out. :-) Dean, Let's take a calcium result, say 900 mcg/g, from a DDI test and convert to 's units (mg/100g): 900 mcg/g = 90000 mcg / 100 g = 90 mg / 100 g That is, you reduce the DDI result by a factor of 10 to get it in 's units. Does this make sense to you? My brain is sort of hurting after figuring this out, so I don't trust myself. -- > (Obviously the rations will remain unchanged) > Dean > > This is from the ARL Lab: > How Does Accutrace Laboratories Report Test Results? > We report our results in Mg%(milligrams percent) or milligrams per 100 grams of hair. This means that 100 grams of hair would contain the reported number of milligrams of the minerals listed. Some possible equivalent ways these units might be referred to are milligrams percent and milligram per deciliter. > > Another method of reporting test results(sometimes used by other laboratories) is ppm(parts per million). To convert ppm to Mg% one would divide the results reported in ppm by 10. For example, 500 ppm/10 equals 50 Mg%. To convert our results to parts per million; simply multiply our result by 10. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > Hi All, > I'm having trouble converting the figures doctor uses from ARL into figures we can use for DDI tests. > posted this: Dr. 's indicators of hidden copper are: > Cu < 1 > Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 > Ca > 100 > K < 3 > Ca/K > 12 > Na/K < 2.3 > mercury toxicity > > They are reported in Mg%. Now how do you convert in in mcg/g like DDI reports it in? > Probably simple, but I can't figure it out. :-) Dean, Let's take a calcium result, say 900 mcg/g, from a DDI test and convert to 's units (mg/100g): 900 mcg/g = 90000 mcg / 100 g = 90 mg / 100 g That is, you reduce the DDI result by a factor of 10 to get it in 's units. Does this make sense to you? My brain is sort of hurting after figuring this out, so I don't trust myself. -- > (Obviously the rations will remain unchanged) > Dean > > This is from the ARL Lab: > How Does Accutrace Laboratories Report Test Results? > We report our results in Mg%(milligrams percent) or milligrams per 100 grams of hair. This means that 100 grams of hair would contain the reported number of milligrams of the minerals listed. Some possible equivalent ways these units might be referred to are milligrams percent and milligram per deciliter. > > Another method of reporting test results(sometimes used by other laboratories) is ppm(parts per million). To convert ppm to Mg% one would divide the results reported in ppm by 10. For example, 500 ppm/10 equals 50 Mg%. To convert our results to parts per million; simply multiply our result by 10. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > Hi All, > I'm having trouble converting the figures doctor uses from ARL into figures we can use for DDI tests. > posted this: Dr. 's indicators of hidden copper are: > Cu < 1 > Zn/Cu < 6 or Zn/Cu > 12 > Ca > 100 > K < 3 > Ca/K > 12 > Na/K < 2.3 > mercury toxicity > > They are reported in Mg%. Now how do you convert in in mcg/g like DDI reports it in? > Probably simple, but I can't figure it out. :-) Dean, Let's take a calcium result, say 900 mcg/g, from a DDI test and convert to 's units (mg/100g): 900 mcg/g = 90000 mcg / 100 g = 90 mg / 100 g That is, you reduce the DDI result by a factor of 10 to get it in 's units. Does this make sense to you? My brain is sort of hurting after figuring this out, so I don't trust myself. -- > (Obviously the rations will remain unchanged) > Dean > > This is from the ARL Lab: > How Does Accutrace Laboratories Report Test Results? > We report our results in Mg%(milligrams percent) or milligrams per 100 grams of hair. This means that 100 grams of hair would contain the reported number of milligrams of the minerals listed. Some possible equivalent ways these units might be referred to are milligrams percent and milligram per deciliter. > > Another method of reporting test results(sometimes used by other laboratories) is ppm(parts per million). To convert ppm to Mg% one would divide the results reported in ppm by 10. For example, 500 ppm/10 equals 50 Mg%. To convert our results to parts per million; simply multiply our result by 10. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 >That is, you reduce the DDI result by a factor of 10 to >get it in 's units. Does this make sense to you? My brain is sort of hurting after figuring this out, so I don't trust myself. Thanks and , My brain started hurting before I could figure that out! It may help a lot for unusual readings. Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal and thyroid issues that use those markers. It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 >That is, you reduce the DDI result by a factor of 10 to >get it in 's units. Does this make sense to you? My brain is sort of hurting after figuring this out, so I don't trust myself. Thanks and , My brain started hurting before I could figure that out! It may help a lot for unusual readings. Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal and thyroid issues that use those markers. It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > > >That is, you reduce the DDI result by a factor of 10 to > >get it in 's units. > > Does this make sense to you? My brain is sort of hurting > after figuring this out, so I don't trust myself. > > Thanks and , > > My brain started hurting before I could figure that out! > It may help a lot for unusual readings. > > Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? 's book also mentions that zinc, nickel, " and other elements " can be affected by washing. Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal and thyroid issues that use those markers. Which markers? The adrenal/thyroid signs, ratios, and associated ranges we've talked about are mostly Andy's (or at least Andy has selected from and interpreted the work of and others). I think it is likely he took into account the effect of washing the hair and gives us markers that will be reliable in spite of this. Applying 's ratios/thresholds and interpretations (which I have mentioned only briefly in our recent discussions) will presumably be less reliable with a DDI test. -- It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. > > Dean > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Andy doesn't think washing (or not washing) hair samples is a big deal: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137432.html basically because all the tests are standardized (and you are measuring yourself against the population mostly anyway rather than looking at absolute values). However as says, 's markers may be less reliable. One way to test this would be to mix up a hair sample, send one half to TEI and one to DDI and then compare 's markers on both results. Hopefully they should give the same results. . > > > Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's > washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? > > > 's book also mentions that zinc, nickel, " and other elements " > can be affected by washing. > > > > > > Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an > absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the > washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal > and thyroid issues that use those markers. > > > > > Which markers? The adrenal/thyroid signs, ratios, and associated > ranges we've talked about are mostly Andy's (or at least Andy has > selected from and interpreted the work of and others). I > think it is likely he took into account the effect of washing the > hair and gives us markers that will be reliable in spite of this. > > Applying 's ratios/thresholds and interpretations (which I > have mentioned only briefly in our recent discussions) will > presumably be less reliable with a DDI test. > > -- > > > > It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. > > > > Dean > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Andy doesn't think washing (or not washing) hair samples is a big deal: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137432.html basically because all the tests are standardized (and you are measuring yourself against the population mostly anyway rather than looking at absolute values). However as says, 's markers may be less reliable. One way to test this would be to mix up a hair sample, send one half to TEI and one to DDI and then compare 's markers on both results. Hopefully they should give the same results. . > > > Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's > washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? > > > 's book also mentions that zinc, nickel, " and other elements " > can be affected by washing. > > > > > > Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an > absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the > washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal > and thyroid issues that use those markers. > > > > > Which markers? The adrenal/thyroid signs, ratios, and associated > ranges we've talked about are mostly Andy's (or at least Andy has > selected from and interpreted the work of and others). I > think it is likely he took into account the effect of washing the > hair and gives us markers that will be reliable in spite of this. > > Applying 's ratios/thresholds and interpretations (which I > have mentioned only briefly in our recent discussions) will > presumably be less reliable with a DDI test. > > -- > > > > It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. > > > > Dean > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Andy doesn't think washing (or not washing) hair samples is a big deal: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137432.html basically because all the tests are standardized (and you are measuring yourself against the population mostly anyway rather than looking at absolute values). However as says, 's markers may be less reliable. One way to test this would be to mix up a hair sample, send one half to TEI and one to DDI and then compare 's markers on both results. Hopefully they should give the same results. . > > > Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's > washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? > > > 's book also mentions that zinc, nickel, " and other elements " > can be affected by washing. > > > > > > Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an > absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the > washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal > and thyroid issues that use those markers. > > > > > Which markers? The adrenal/thyroid signs, ratios, and associated > ranges we've talked about are mostly Andy's (or at least Andy has > selected from and interpreted the work of and others). I > think it is likely he took into account the effect of washing the > hair and gives us markers that will be reliable in spite of this. > > Applying 's ratios/thresholds and interpretations (which I > have mentioned only briefly in our recent discussions) will > presumably be less reliable with a DDI test. > > -- > > > > It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. > > > > Dean > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > > > > Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's > > washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? > > > > > > 's book also mentions that zinc, nickel, " and other elements " > > can be affected by washing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an > > absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the > > washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal > > and thyroid issues that use those markers. > > > > > > > > > > Which markers? The adrenal/thyroid signs, ratios, and associated > > ranges we've talked about are mostly Andy's (or at least Andy has > > selected from and interpreted the work of and others). I > > think it is likely he took into account the effect of washing the > > hair and gives us markers that will be reliable in spite of this. > > > > Applying 's ratios/thresholds and interpretations (which I > > have mentioned only briefly in our recent discussions) will > > presumably be less reliable with a DDI test. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > > > > Are the only water soluble elements that can be affected by DDI's > > washing procedure Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Sodium? > > > > > > 's book also mentions that zinc, nickel, " and other elements " > > can be affected by washing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lynn would you know? Then we could use them as a guide rather than an > > absolute. It seems that despite these elements being affected by the > > washing process, DDI's tests are still excellent at picking Adrenal > > and thyroid issues that use those markers. > > > > > > > > > > Which markers? The adrenal/thyroid signs, ratios, and associated > > ranges we've talked about are mostly Andy's (or at least Andy has > > selected from and interpreted the work of and others). I > > think it is likely he took into account the effect of washing the > > hair and gives us markers that will be reliable in spite of this. > > > > Applying 's ratios/thresholds and interpretations (which I > > have mentioned only briefly in our recent discussions) will > > presumably be less reliable with a DDI test. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > It has 'read' everyone right so far that I know. > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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