Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hi , I'm new to this group, so can't offer any help, but from what I've seen on this group in the very short time I've been here, I'm sure there will be people who can help you get it sorted. I do wish you the very best. Love Chris Newbie me Hey all, So I'm new to this, and I really don't know how it all works...but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. I'm not sure what I am anymore. I had a thyroidectomy a couple of years ago for being "hyperthyroid" according to my tsh levels (though I felt fine and didn't mind losing weight so easily!) Recently, my tsh has gone way down but I've got nearly all the hypo- symptoms. I heard about 's Syndrome and I'm seeing a doc about that now. He has me on armour and I feel like it's making me worse. I've been living with constant dizziness, depersonalization, depression, and extreme anxiety for the past 6 months. It's been screwing up my social life, my work, and my ability to concentrate in classes. It's just no fun at all. It's miserable. I'm 19 and I feel like I'm 80. I get the chest pains, panic attacks, fear of a heart attack and stroke,illusions, and all the other wonderful compliments of anxiety. I've gone through all the possible tests, and had a number of fights with my endocrinologist who brushes the whole thing off because I'm a "kid," and I'm "fine." Really frustrating...not sure where to turn at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hi , I'm new to this group, so can't offer any help, but from what I've seen on this group in the very short time I've been here, I'm sure there will be people who can help you get it sorted. I do wish you the very best. Love Chris Newbie me Hey all, So I'm new to this, and I really don't know how it all works...but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. I'm not sure what I am anymore. I had a thyroidectomy a couple of years ago for being "hyperthyroid" according to my tsh levels (though I felt fine and didn't mind losing weight so easily!) Recently, my tsh has gone way down but I've got nearly all the hypo- symptoms. I heard about 's Syndrome and I'm seeing a doc about that now. He has me on armour and I feel like it's making me worse. I've been living with constant dizziness, depersonalization, depression, and extreme anxiety for the past 6 months. It's been screwing up my social life, my work, and my ability to concentrate in classes. It's just no fun at all. It's miserable. I'm 19 and I feel like I'm 80. I get the chest pains, panic attacks, fear of a heart attack and stroke,illusions, and all the other wonderful compliments of anxiety. I've gone through all the possible tests, and had a number of fights with my endocrinologist who brushes the whole thing off because I'm a "kid," and I'm "fine." Really frustrating...not sure where to turn at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hi , I'm new to this group, so can't offer any help, but from what I've seen on this group in the very short time I've been here, I'm sure there will be people who can help you get it sorted. I do wish you the very best. Love Chris Newbie me Hey all, So I'm new to this, and I really don't know how it all works...but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. I'm not sure what I am anymore. I had a thyroidectomy a couple of years ago for being "hyperthyroid" according to my tsh levels (though I felt fine and didn't mind losing weight so easily!) Recently, my tsh has gone way down but I've got nearly all the hypo- symptoms. I heard about 's Syndrome and I'm seeing a doc about that now. He has me on armour and I feel like it's making me worse. I've been living with constant dizziness, depersonalization, depression, and extreme anxiety for the past 6 months. It's been screwing up my social life, my work, and my ability to concentrate in classes. It's just no fun at all. It's miserable. I'm 19 and I feel like I'm 80. I get the chest pains, panic attacks, fear of a heart attack and stroke,illusions, and all the other wonderful compliments of anxiety. I've gone through all the possible tests, and had a number of fights with my endocrinologist who brushes the whole thing off because I'm a "kid," and I'm "fine." Really frustrating...not sure where to turn at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hi and welcome -- this is a good place to get info that can help! It always surprises and disturbs me when I hear about doctors who are so quick to remove an important organ/gland/body part! Especially when your TSH is all he went by and you didn't feel bad at the time. Perhaps you really were hyper (although perhaps not without further testing it's hard to know) -- I think there are anti-thyroid drugs to take first before something drastic is done ... but the past is the past! How about you post your most recent test results so that we can get an idea of things. Also what dose of Armour are you on? Perhaps you went up too high too quickly ... As far as 's Syndrome -- from the research I've done, most of the cutting edge and progressive thyroid specialists don't agree with , saying that there have not been studies to back up his theories. If, you would like to read up on it, in the file section of this group's home page there are 2 booklists ... I'm so sorry that your endo is ignoring you and your symptoms. It sounds like you may need a new doctor -- we just can't trust them all! Marlena --- vanessa wrote: > Hey all, > So I'm new to this, and I really don't know how > it all > works...but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. I'm > not sure what I am > anymore. I had a thyroidectomy a couple of years ago > for > being " hyperthyroid " according to my tsh levels > (though I felt fine > and didn't mind losing weight so easily!) Recently, > my tsh has gone > way down but I've got nearly all the hypo- symptoms. > I heard about > 's Syndrome and I'm seeing a doc about that > now. He has me on > armour and I feel like it's making me worse. I've > been living with > constant dizziness, depersonalization, depression, > and extreme anxiety > for the past 6 months. It's been screwing up my > social life, my work, > and my ability to concentrate in classes. It's just > no fun at all. > It's miserable. I'm 19 and I feel like I'm 80. I get > the chest pains, > panic attacks, fear of a heart attack and > stroke,illusions, and all > the other wonderful compliments of anxiety. I've > gone through all the > possible tests, and had a number of fights with my > endocrinologist who > brushes the whole thing off because I'm a " kid, " and > I'm " fine. " > Really frustrating...not sure where to turn at this > point. > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hi and welcome -- this is a good place to get info that can help! It always surprises and disturbs me when I hear about doctors who are so quick to remove an important organ/gland/body part! Especially when your TSH is all he went by and you didn't feel bad at the time. Perhaps you really were hyper (although perhaps not without further testing it's hard to know) -- I think there are anti-thyroid drugs to take first before something drastic is done ... but the past is the past! How about you post your most recent test results so that we can get an idea of things. Also what dose of Armour are you on? Perhaps you went up too high too quickly ... As far as 's Syndrome -- from the research I've done, most of the cutting edge and progressive thyroid specialists don't agree with , saying that there have not been studies to back up his theories. If, you would like to read up on it, in the file section of this group's home page there are 2 booklists ... I'm so sorry that your endo is ignoring you and your symptoms. It sounds like you may need a new doctor -- we just can't trust them all! Marlena --- vanessa wrote: > Hey all, > So I'm new to this, and I really don't know how > it all > works...but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. I'm > not sure what I am > anymore. I had a thyroidectomy a couple of years ago > for > being " hyperthyroid " according to my tsh levels > (though I felt fine > and didn't mind losing weight so easily!) Recently, > my tsh has gone > way down but I've got nearly all the hypo- symptoms. > I heard about > 's Syndrome and I'm seeing a doc about that > now. He has me on > armour and I feel like it's making me worse. I've > been living with > constant dizziness, depersonalization, depression, > and extreme anxiety > for the past 6 months. It's been screwing up my > social life, my work, > and my ability to concentrate in classes. It's just > no fun at all. > It's miserable. I'm 19 and I feel like I'm 80. I get > the chest pains, > panic attacks, fear of a heart attack and > stroke,illusions, and all > the other wonderful compliments of anxiety. I've > gone through all the > possible tests, and had a number of fights with my > endocrinologist who > brushes the whole thing off because I'm a " kid, " and > I'm " fine. " > Really frustrating...not sure where to turn at this > point. > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Thanks a bunch, Marlena. It's so wonderful to find people with similar problems who I can talk to . My TSH is somewhere around .07 now, I believe. My free T4 is just above normal and my free T3, just below. I've heard plenty of things from WTS skeptics...it's just the only option I've got now. As for the theory on taking too much Armour...it's possible. I'm taking 60 mg. I really don't know much about it either, I suppose replacing my Levoxyl with it may not have been the best idea but it's what this doc says to do so...*shrug*. What part of the blood tests should I be looking at? I've heard that the T3 is all I need to watch but I'm just a little freaked out by the fact that my TSH suggests I'm extremely hyper. My pulse is weak and my temperature low. I dunno, what are your thoughts? Thanks again! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Thanks a bunch, Marlena. It's so wonderful to find people with similar problems who I can talk to . My TSH is somewhere around .07 now, I believe. My free T4 is just above normal and my free T3, just below. I've heard plenty of things from WTS skeptics...it's just the only option I've got now. As for the theory on taking too much Armour...it's possible. I'm taking 60 mg. I really don't know much about it either, I suppose replacing my Levoxyl with it may not have been the best idea but it's what this doc says to do so...*shrug*. What part of the blood tests should I be looking at? I've heard that the T3 is all I need to watch but I'm just a little freaked out by the fact that my TSH suggests I'm extremely hyper. My pulse is weak and my temperature low. I dunno, what are your thoughts? Thanks again! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Welcome Van: Hey...its gonna get better. First we need some solid info from ya. What is your t3free and t4free and tsh levels. Also..what do you have in terms of antibodies (TPO)? Also what dose of thryoid hormone are you one...and have you noticed your symptoms change with dose changes? Just want to get some starting facts. ~E:) wrote: Hi , I'm new to this group, so can't offer any help, but from what I've seen on this group in the very short time I've been here, I'm sure there will be people who can help you get it sorted. I do wish you the very best. Love Chris Newbie me Hey all, So I'm new to this, and I really don't know how it all works...but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. I'm not sure what I am anymore. I had a thyroidectomy a couple of years ago for being "hyperthyroid" according to my tsh levels (though I felt fine and didn't mind losing weight so easily!) Recently, my tsh has gone way down but I've got nearly all the hypo- symptoms. I heard about 's Syndrome and I'm seeing a doc about that now. He has me on armour and I feel like it's making me worse. I've been living with constant dizziness, depersonalization, depression, and extreme anxiety for the past 6 months. It's been screwing up my social life, my work, and my ability to concentrate in classes. It's just no fun at all. It's miserable. I'm 19 and I feel like I'm 80. I get the chest pains, panic attacks, fear of a heart attack and stroke,illusions, and all the other wonderful compliments of anxiety. I've gone through all the possible tests, and had a number of fights with my endocrinologist who brushes the whole thing off because I'm a "kid," and I'm "fine." Really frustrating...not sure where to turn at this point. ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Welcome Van: Hey...its gonna get better. First we need some solid info from ya. What is your t3free and t4free and tsh levels. Also..what do you have in terms of antibodies (TPO)? Also what dose of thryoid hormone are you one...and have you noticed your symptoms change with dose changes? Just want to get some starting facts. ~E:) wrote: Hi , I'm new to this group, so can't offer any help, but from what I've seen on this group in the very short time I've been here, I'm sure there will be people who can help you get it sorted. I do wish you the very best. Love Chris Newbie me Hey all, So I'm new to this, and I really don't know how it all works...but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. I'm not sure what I am anymore. I had a thyroidectomy a couple of years ago for being "hyperthyroid" according to my tsh levels (though I felt fine and didn't mind losing weight so easily!) Recently, my tsh has gone way down but I've got nearly all the hypo- symptoms. I heard about 's Syndrome and I'm seeing a doc about that now. He has me on armour and I feel like it's making me worse. I've been living with constant dizziness, depersonalization, depression, and extreme anxiety for the past 6 months. It's been screwing up my social life, my work, and my ability to concentrate in classes. It's just no fun at all. It's miserable. I'm 19 and I feel like I'm 80. I get the chest pains, panic attacks, fear of a heart attack and stroke,illusions, and all the other wonderful compliments of anxiety. I've gone through all the possible tests, and had a number of fights with my endocrinologist who brushes the whole thing off because I'm a "kid," and I'm "fine." Really frustrating...not sure where to turn at this point. ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005  Hi .. thought I might jump in with some thoughts of mine.... Weak pulse and low temp are indications of still being hypo... If you keep in mind that synthetic T4 (like Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc) tend to suppress TSH, that is they bring the number down. The body falsely believes there is sufficient hormone that way... so you feel crappy and they think you are hyper.. T4 is the thyroid storage hormone, from it the body makes T3, the active thyroid hormone through a process called conversion. Having a T3 level below mid range for most folks means that there isn't sufficient hormone for the body to function properly and for the person to feel well. Having a T3 level that is lower in it's range than the T4 is in it's generally means one of two things. There is still not sufficient T4 in the system to allow the body to make enough T3 OR the body isn't converting as efficiently as it should. There are things that you can do to increase conversion, they include adding selenium as a supplement and possibly changing how you eat. For conversion to occur sufficient levels of energy are needed, the easiest way to provide that is by eating more often. Not eating more per day but by splitting up what you eat into smaller meals so that you can eat about every three hours. What you eat can also cause some problems, more for some, less for others. Foods known as goitrogens cause problems with thyroid gland function and/or absorption of hormones and/or conversion of hormones. Limiting or eliminating those foods can help the body deal with the rest of it a little easier. Topper () On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:34:29 -0400 "emdadi, vanessa" writes: Thanks a bunch, Marlena. It's so wonderful to find people with similar problems who I can talk to . My TSH is somewhere around .07 now, I believe. My free T4 is just above normal and my free T3, just below. I've heard plenty of things from WTS skeptics...it's just the only option I've got now. As for the theory on taking too much Armour...it's possible. I'm taking 60 mg. I really don't know much about it either, I suppose replacing my Levoxyl with it may not have been the best idea but it's what this doc says to do so...*shrug*. What part of the blood tests should I be looking at? I've heard that the T3 is all I need to watch but I'm just a little freaked out by the fact that my TSH suggests I'm extremely hyper. My pulse is weak and my temperature low. I dunno, what are your thoughts? Thanks again! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005  Hi .. thought I might jump in with some thoughts of mine.... Weak pulse and low temp are indications of still being hypo... If you keep in mind that synthetic T4 (like Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc) tend to suppress TSH, that is they bring the number down. The body falsely believes there is sufficient hormone that way... so you feel crappy and they think you are hyper.. T4 is the thyroid storage hormone, from it the body makes T3, the active thyroid hormone through a process called conversion. Having a T3 level below mid range for most folks means that there isn't sufficient hormone for the body to function properly and for the person to feel well. Having a T3 level that is lower in it's range than the T4 is in it's generally means one of two things. There is still not sufficient T4 in the system to allow the body to make enough T3 OR the body isn't converting as efficiently as it should. There are things that you can do to increase conversion, they include adding selenium as a supplement and possibly changing how you eat. For conversion to occur sufficient levels of energy are needed, the easiest way to provide that is by eating more often. Not eating more per day but by splitting up what you eat into smaller meals so that you can eat about every three hours. What you eat can also cause some problems, more for some, less for others. Foods known as goitrogens cause problems with thyroid gland function and/or absorption of hormones and/or conversion of hormones. Limiting or eliminating those foods can help the body deal with the rest of it a little easier. Topper () On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:34:29 -0400 "emdadi, vanessa" writes: Thanks a bunch, Marlena. It's so wonderful to find people with similar problems who I can talk to . My TSH is somewhere around .07 now, I believe. My free T4 is just above normal and my free T3, just below. I've heard plenty of things from WTS skeptics...it's just the only option I've got now. As for the theory on taking too much Armour...it's possible. I'm taking 60 mg. I really don't know much about it either, I suppose replacing my Levoxyl with it may not have been the best idea but it's what this doc says to do so...*shrug*. What part of the blood tests should I be looking at? I've heard that the T3 is all I need to watch but I'm just a little freaked out by the fact that my TSH suggests I'm extremely hyper. My pulse is weak and my temperature low. I dunno, what are your thoughts? Thanks again! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Wow, that was pretty informative. Thanks Topper. I've been trying to change my diet but it's difficult to care sometimes when your world is fuzzy. I've been going back and forth on what I feel i need to be changing hormone-wise. I suppose it wouldn't be possible that my body is unable to convert T4 to enough T3 indefinitely, would it? Would anyone out there happen to be having similar problems? Maybe those who have had a thyroidectomy? I feel like I wasn't properly prepared for all of this. My endo is a total idiot. I'll definitely take your advice on the supplement though, that seems to sound the best to me. Thanks again! -vanessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Van: Yes..I had a thryoidectomy and found the conversion thing to be such a waste of time. The straight t4 left me crippled and wishing for death. Only when I started taking armour did I get the full compliment of hormones to start to make me well again. Now I take both t4 and armour. The docs like to keep you in the dark and when you crash and burn from their advice they get hostile or dismissive. I know...its amazing, but very heartbreaking at the same time. Hugs, ~E:) "emdadi, vanessa" wrote: Wow, that was pretty informative. Thanks Topper. I've been trying to change my diet but it's difficult to care sometimes when your world is fuzzy. I've been going back and forth on what I feel i need to be changing hormone-wise. I suppose it wouldn't be possible that my body is unable to convert T4 to enough T3 indefinitely, would it? Would anyone out there happen to be having similar problems? Maybe those who have had a thyroidectomy? I feel like I wasn't properly prepared for all of this. My endo is a total idiot. I'll definitely take your advice on the supplement though, that seems to sound the best to me. Thanks again!-vanessa ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Van: Well you got the armour going. I understand the frustration I hearing from you. I think your'e correct to feel reluctant to tackle t3 with your armour. I think you need to know...many folks take 3-5grains for full replacement. If you are under replaced...you cannot feel well. And here's the other thing -- if you take a dose and stay on it too long, when your body is ready for more--you'll crash. They you will think Armour is a waste and you'll get back on old me...and go round and round. You should try to get commited in a certain direction and understand that t4 only or armour is gonna have its challenges. Yes the straight t4 might feel better than where you have crashed on armour. I don't doubt that...but in the long term....I think you are really gonna like how armour works. There's push...into new dose...then crash...then push. Until you reach the right dose. Also..if your'e t4 is down after that,,,you can always throw some extra t4 in. Armour has metabolites in it..that is good for weight control, and it has stuff in that can keep your complexion nice and supple (more youthful) also its good for bones. None of that is true of the t4. I know..I look like an old hag after taking it. I sure wish I hadn't. Nobody told me. Lots of hugs... ~E:) "emdadi, vanessa" wrote: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Van: Well you got the armour going. I understand the frustration I hearing from you. I think your'e correct to feel reluctant to tackle t3 with your armour. I think you need to know...many folks take 3-5grains for full replacement. If you are under replaced...you cannot feel well. And here's the other thing -- if you take a dose and stay on it too long, when your body is ready for more--you'll crash. They you will think Armour is a waste and you'll get back on old me...and go round and round. You should try to get commited in a certain direction and understand that t4 only or armour is gonna have its challenges. Yes the straight t4 might feel better than where you have crashed on armour. I don't doubt that...but in the long term....I think you are really gonna like how armour works. There's push...into new dose...then crash...then push. Until you reach the right dose. Also..if your'e t4 is down after that,,,you can always throw some extra t4 in. Armour has metabolites in it..that is good for weight control, and it has stuff in that can keep your complexion nice and supple (more youthful) also its good for bones. None of that is true of the t4. I know..I look like an old hag after taking it. I sure wish I hadn't. Nobody told me. Lots of hugs... ~E:) "emdadi, vanessa" wrote: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 "emdadi, vanessa" wrote: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v V: ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 "emdadi, vanessa" wrote: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v V: ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 "emdadi, vanessa" wrote: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v V: ~EG Connecticut Total-T 16 months ago / 37.5 mg Synthetic/120mg Armour since August 7th __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005  I'm not a good converter, that's most likely why I did so poorly on synthetic T4. Right now my best dosing... how do I say this... I know what I mean in my head.... hehehehehe A good many, most?? folks do great with one dose of meds a day, usually in the morning.. then are the ones that take two doses, one in the morning and one in the mid afternoon... I'm talking about those that are taking natural, synthetic T4 needs to be taken on an empty stomach so that's much hard to multi-dose.... anyway.. some folks can dose twice a day... Now there is me.... I recently tried to cut back to taking my daily amount in four doses per day and was falling asleep before my next dose was due. I kept at if for four days and was getting badly teased about yawning so big that my face was gonna crack... Well... it was about 10 this morning when I started yawning... I'm back to dosing 6 times a day and I couldn't figure out why I was soooo tired. Ruth was teasing me about yawning so big again.... well I refused to go to sleep and felt a little bit better after I had my next mini meal... come noon I headed to get my noon dose and low and behold, even though I was positive that I'd taken my 9 am dose, it was still in my pill box... so here I was, on a day when I wasn't even remotely thinking about extended time between doses and how it would affect me... I found that I still can't go much past the magical four hour mark... I don't do goitrogens except for occasional treats (holidays, mostly) of a sweet and sour red cabbage recipe... sometimes have soda as a treat and the only soy that I do is in my salad dressing and peanut butter, neither of which I use a lot of.... I have a total daily intake of 400 mcg of selenium and take natural thyroid (which contains T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin) sublingually (under the tongue) and I still can't seem to kick up my conversion rate long enough to last much more than the magical 4 hour point.... Sigh... as I've said many times before... I'd still rather multi-dose to feel this much better than I did than to go back to taking it all in one dose and feel as rotten as I used to... It's all a matter of figuring out what is best for your body.... how much you need total, if synthetic or natural works best for you, how to dose it. Then there are the supplements that your body needs, how to adjust what and when you eat... it's kinda complicated, it involves changes and compromises... but if you can figure out the combination that works best for you... well, the prize is worth it.... you get to feel better.... Live again.... Topper () On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:43:34 -0400 "emdadi, vanessa" writes: Wow, that was pretty informative. Thanks Topper. I've been trying to change my diet but it's difficult to care sometimes when your world is fuzzy. I've been going back and forth on what I feel i need to be changing hormone-wise. I suppose it wouldn't be possible that my body is unable to convert T4 to enough T3 indefinitely, would it? Would anyone out there happen to be having similar problems? Maybe those who have had a thyroidectomy? I feel like I wasn't properly prepared for all of this. My endo is a total idiot. I'll definitely take your advice on the supplement though, that seems to sound the best to me. Thanks again! -vanessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005  , a thought... If you are taking your Armour as a single dose in the morning and you are having chest pains and feeling weird.. maybe it would help if you split your dose for a while and give your body some time to adjust to the direct T3 that is in the Armour. It's not hard to do, just split the tab in half. Most likely it won't split perfectly even, take the larger half in the morning and the smaller half in the mid afternoon..... about an hour before you normally start getting sluggish in the afternoon.... Sometimes the body needs a bit of time to adjust, taking a smaller amount at a time can make the little bit of difference to give the body the time that it needs. Something else, have you been told that you need to keep calcium and iron supplements/sources separate from your thyroid dose? Both of them bind with thyroid hormone making it unusable.... Topper () On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:52:30 -0400 "emdadi, vanessa" writes: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005  , a thought... If you are taking your Armour as a single dose in the morning and you are having chest pains and feeling weird.. maybe it would help if you split your dose for a while and give your body some time to adjust to the direct T3 that is in the Armour. It's not hard to do, just split the tab in half. Most likely it won't split perfectly even, take the larger half in the morning and the smaller half in the mid afternoon..... about an hour before you normally start getting sluggish in the afternoon.... Sometimes the body needs a bit of time to adjust, taking a smaller amount at a time can make the little bit of difference to give the body the time that it needs. Something else, have you been told that you need to keep calcium and iron supplements/sources separate from your thyroid dose? Both of them bind with thyroid hormone making it unusable.... Topper () On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:52:30 -0400 "emdadi, vanessa" writes: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005  , a thought... If you are taking your Armour as a single dose in the morning and you are having chest pains and feeling weird.. maybe it would help if you split your dose for a while and give your body some time to adjust to the direct T3 that is in the Armour. It's not hard to do, just split the tab in half. Most likely it won't split perfectly even, take the larger half in the morning and the smaller half in the mid afternoon..... about an hour before you normally start getting sluggish in the afternoon.... Sometimes the body needs a bit of time to adjust, taking a smaller amount at a time can make the little bit of difference to give the body the time that it needs. Something else, have you been told that you need to keep calcium and iron supplements/sources separate from your thyroid dose? Both of them bind with thyroid hormone making it unusable.... Topper () On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:52:30 -0400 "emdadi, vanessa" writes: E, I honestly don't remember exactly what my levels were. I know my TSH was something like .07 and my T4 and T3 read just above and below the normal range, respectively. I wouldn't know about the antibody thing...should I be testing that too? I was, just before I met this doctor, taking 112 mcg of Levothyroxine, but am now (after his instructions) taking 60 mg of armour. I started to feel a little weird, with the chest pains and everything back when my TSH read .54ish, and got progressively worse (with all hypo symptoms) once it plummeted down to where it was on my last test. I know this armour isn't doing anything for me now and the doc wants to give me other T3 therapy which I'm a little reluctant to begin...in the midst of classes and work and such. I'm thinking I'd better just get back on my old meds. I don't feel comfortable about overdoing it with the T3, whether or not I'm in need of it. Thanks for the encouragement. You guys are great + God knows my friends and family are sick of hearing about my problems . -v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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