Re: test results -- need ideas

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Just took a late night cigerette break, I will hit you up with more

info in the morning, your andrenal are likely throwing a lot of stuff

off via adolsterone, it has a indirect control on sodium but directly

controls potassium, does so by telling the filters in the kidneys to

be on or off. The uptake of the thyroid hormone into the cells is

very sodium dependent, yours is likely not getting into the cells

pretty good but the levels in the blood may not remain very high

because the kidneys are just sucking it right back out of the blood.

> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My

> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test

> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr

> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of

> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here

> are my results:

>

> 11/2004 (before treatment):

> T3 621 range 800-1800

> T4 1698 range 1800-3000

>

> 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the

> results!)

> T3 894 range 800-1800

> T4 3124 range 1800-3000

>

> So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm on 3

> grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release T3. (I

> was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and 25mcg

> of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> month ago), but soon after felt so bad and eventually

> overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to cut

> back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was probably

> good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive who

> is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she told

> me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which correlated

> with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not extra

> energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense with

> my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> would want more T3... from my results I'm guessing

> that my original thyroid production is down to zero or

> almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was .011)

> ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> completely dependent on something that isn't even

> working for me! I've done all the research and been

> the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed to

> be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> here.

> I do all the things one is supposed to do to enhance

> conversion too ...

>

> My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive about

> where I should go from here ...

>

> The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation test

> to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk to

> the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the 2 24

> hr urine collection results which tests a breakdown of

> all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able to do

> this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as to

> why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm going

> crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment for

> 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm not

> nearly as functional as before ...]

>

> Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a good

> amount after the stimulation -- which it's supposed to

> do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number to

> begin with but then it went down just a little after

> the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but what

> I don't understand is that apparently the more salt

> you eat, the lower the aldosterone ... aldosterone's

> job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you eat,

> the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> increase salt retention and therefore lower

> aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> anyone know about this?

>

> I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult to

> respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

>

> Marlena

>

>

>

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Can you try and elobarate a little more for me????? Symptoms and

physical signs, heart rate blodd pressure these types of things????

> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My

> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test

> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr

> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of

> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here

> are my results:

>

> 11/2004 (before treatment):

> T3 621 range 800-1800

> T4 1698 range 1800-3000

>

> 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the

> results!)

> T3 894 range 800-1800

> T4 3124 range 1800-3000

>

> So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm on 3

> grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release T3. (I

> was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and 25mcg

> of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> month ago), but soon after felt so bad and eventually

> overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to cut

> back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was probably

> good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive who

> is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she told

> me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which correlated

> with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not extra

> energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense with

> my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> would want more T3... from my results I'm guessing

> that my original thyroid production is down to zero or

> almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was .011)

> ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> completely dependent on something that isn't even

> working for me! I've done all the research and been

> the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed to

> be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> here.

> I do all the things one is supposed to do to enhance

> conversion too ...

>

> My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive about

> where I should go from here ...

>

> The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation test

> to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk to

> the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the 2 24

> hr urine collection results which tests a breakdown of

> all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able to do

> this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as to

> why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm going

> crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment for

> 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm not

> nearly as functional as before ...]

>

> Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a good

> amount after the stimulation -- which it's supposed to

> do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number to

> begin with but then it went down just a little after

> the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but what

> I don't understand is that apparently the more salt

> you eat, the lower the aldosterone ... aldosterone's

> job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you eat,

> the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> increase salt retention and therefore lower

> aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> anyone know about this?

>

> I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult to

> respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

>

> Marlena

>

>

>

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Can you try and elobarate a little more for me????? Symptoms and

physical signs, heart rate blodd pressure these types of things????

> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My

> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test

> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr

> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of

> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here

> are my results:

>

> 11/2004 (before treatment):

> T3 621 range 800-1800

> T4 1698 range 1800-3000

>

> 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the

> results!)

> T3 894 range 800-1800

> T4 3124 range 1800-3000

>

> So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm on 3

> grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release T3. (I

> was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and 25mcg

> of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> month ago), but soon after felt so bad and eventually

> overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to cut

> back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was probably

> good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive who

> is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she told

> me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which correlated

> with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not extra

> energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense with

> my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> would want more T3... from my results I'm guessing

> that my original thyroid production is down to zero or

> almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was .011)

> ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> completely dependent on something that isn't even

> working for me! I've done all the research and been

> the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed to

> be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> here.

> I do all the things one is supposed to do to enhance

> conversion too ...

>

> My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive about

> where I should go from here ...

>

> The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation test

> to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk to

> the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the 2 24

> hr urine collection results which tests a breakdown of

> all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able to do

> this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as to

> why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm going

> crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment for

> 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm not

> nearly as functional as before ...]

>

> Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a good

> amount after the stimulation -- which it's supposed to

> do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number to

> begin with but then it went down just a little after

> the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but what

> I don't understand is that apparently the more salt

> you eat, the lower the aldosterone ... aldosterone's

> job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you eat,

> the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> increase salt retention and therefore lower

> aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> anyone know about this?

>

> I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult to

> respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

>

> Marlena

>

>

>

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Can you try and elobarate a little more for me????? Symptoms and

physical signs, heart rate blodd pressure these types of things????

> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My

> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test

> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr

> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of

> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here

> are my results:

>

> 11/2004 (before treatment):

> T3 621 range 800-1800

> T4 1698 range 1800-3000

>

> 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the

> results!)

> T3 894 range 800-1800

> T4 3124 range 1800-3000

>

> So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm on 3

> grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release T3. (I

> was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and 25mcg

> of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> month ago), but soon after felt so bad and eventually

> overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to cut

> back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was probably

> good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive who

> is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she told

> me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which correlated

> with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not extra

> energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense with

> my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> would want more T3... from my results I'm guessing

> that my original thyroid production is down to zero or

> almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was .011)

> ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> completely dependent on something that isn't even

> working for me! I've done all the research and been

> the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed to

> be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> here.

> I do all the things one is supposed to do to enhance

> conversion too ...

>

> My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive about

> where I should go from here ...

>

> The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation test

> to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk to

> the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the 2 24

> hr urine collection results which tests a breakdown of

> all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able to do

> this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as to

> why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm going

> crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment for

> 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm not

> nearly as functional as before ...]

>

> Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a good

> amount after the stimulation -- which it's supposed to

> do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number to

> begin with but then it went down just a little after

> the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but what

> I don't understand is that apparently the more salt

> you eat, the lower the aldosterone ... aldosterone's

> job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you eat,

> the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> increase salt retention and therefore lower

> aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> anyone know about this?

>

> I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult to

> respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

>

> Marlena

>

>

>

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Hi ,

Thanks for your interest and help.

My " extra " symptoms since thyroid treatment are

terrible fatigue and weakness. I am 29 and feel like

an old person now. Although I was having bad symptoms

before I didn't have these symptoms.

My blood pressure is low and has been as long as I can

remember. Now I take it myself everyday. In the

morning on waking, it is often 100/54 or so and my

basal pulse is now in the normal range 65-75, but

earlier on a lower thyroid dose, it would get down to

57-60 ... If I take my blood pressure again on

standing up, it sometimes goes down, sometimes goes

up. I know it is supposed to go up. Actually the

bottom number almost always goes up but sometimes the

top number goes down.

My tongue is swollen with teeth marks, I'm often quite

thirsty and pee often and a lot, I use licorice, sea

salt, and hydrocortisone (7.5 mg now) to improve my

adrenals -- it seems as though my cortisol levels are

better than they were (they were high before

treatment, low after treatment, and last test showed

they were too high again so I've sinced decreased my

dose of hydrocortisone ... it seems that when my

hydrocortisone dose is too high I get lots of symptoms

like terrible insomnia, headaches, stomach pains that

are relieved by tri-salts or homeopathic

hydrocortisone (which antidotes the extra hormone, I

think). I won't go into all my signs and symptoms --

the ones I mentioned are the ones that seem related to

the adrenals ... also my temperature is still in the

97 range ...

Marlena

--- jeneric46324 wrote:

>

> Can you try and elobarate a little more for me?????

> Symptoms and

> physical signs, heart rate blodd pressure these

> types of things????

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> My

> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> test

> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> hr

> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> of

> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> here

> > are my results:

> >

> > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> >

> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> the

> > results!)

> > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> >

> > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm

> on 3

> > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release

> T3. (I

> > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> 25mcg

> > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> eventually

> > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to

> cut

> > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> probably

> > good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive

> who

> > is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she

> told

> > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> correlated

> > with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not

> extra

> > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense

> with

> > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> guessing

> > that my original thyroid production is down to

> zero or

> > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was

> .011)

> > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> > completely dependent on something that isn't even

> > working for me! I've done all the research and

> been

> > the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed

> to

> > be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> > here.

> > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> enhance

> > conversion too ...

> >

> > My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive

> about

> > where I should go from here ...

> >

> > The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> > results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> > doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation

> test

> > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk

> to

> > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the

> 2 24

> > hr urine collection results which tests a

> breakdown of

> > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able

> to do

> > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as

> to

> > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm

> going

> > crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment

> for

> > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm

> not

> > nearly as functional as before ...]

> >

> > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a

> good

> > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> supposed to

> > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number

> to

> > begin with but then it went down just a little

> after

> > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but

> what

> > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> salt

> > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> aldosterone's

> > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you

> eat,

> > the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> > having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> > says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> > anyone know about this?

> >

> > I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult

> to

> > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> >

> > Marlena

> >

> >

> >

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Hi ,

Thanks for your interest and help.

My " extra " symptoms since thyroid treatment are

terrible fatigue and weakness. I am 29 and feel like

an old person now. Although I was having bad symptoms

before I didn't have these symptoms.

My blood pressure is low and has been as long as I can

remember. Now I take it myself everyday. In the

morning on waking, it is often 100/54 or so and my

basal pulse is now in the normal range 65-75, but

earlier on a lower thyroid dose, it would get down to

57-60 ... If I take my blood pressure again on

standing up, it sometimes goes down, sometimes goes

up. I know it is supposed to go up. Actually the

bottom number almost always goes up but sometimes the

top number goes down.

My tongue is swollen with teeth marks, I'm often quite

thirsty and pee often and a lot, I use licorice, sea

salt, and hydrocortisone (7.5 mg now) to improve my

adrenals -- it seems as though my cortisol levels are

better than they were (they were high before

treatment, low after treatment, and last test showed

they were too high again so I've sinced decreased my

dose of hydrocortisone ... it seems that when my

hydrocortisone dose is too high I get lots of symptoms

like terrible insomnia, headaches, stomach pains that

are relieved by tri-salts or homeopathic

hydrocortisone (which antidotes the extra hormone, I

think). I won't go into all my signs and symptoms --

the ones I mentioned are the ones that seem related to

the adrenals ... also my temperature is still in the

97 range ...

Marlena

--- jeneric46324 wrote:

>

> Can you try and elobarate a little more for me?????

> Symptoms and

> physical signs, heart rate blodd pressure these

> types of things????

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> My

> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> test

> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> hr

> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> of

> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> here

> > are my results:

> >

> > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> >

> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> the

> > results!)

> > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> >

> > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm

> on 3

> > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release

> T3. (I

> > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> 25mcg

> > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> eventually

> > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to

> cut

> > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> probably

> > good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive

> who

> > is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she

> told

> > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> correlated

> > with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not

> extra

> > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense

> with

> > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> guessing

> > that my original thyroid production is down to

> zero or

> > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was

> .011)

> > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> > completely dependent on something that isn't even

> > working for me! I've done all the research and

> been

> > the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed

> to

> > be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> > here.

> > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> enhance

> > conversion too ...

> >

> > My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive

> about

> > where I should go from here ...

> >

> > The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> > results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> > doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation

> test

> > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk

> to

> > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the

> 2 24

> > hr urine collection results which tests a

> breakdown of

> > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able

> to do

> > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as

> to

> > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm

> going

> > crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment

> for

> > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm

> not

> > nearly as functional as before ...]

> >

> > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a

> good

> > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> supposed to

> > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number

> to

> > begin with but then it went down just a little

> after

> > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but

> what

> > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> salt

> > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> aldosterone's

> > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you

> eat,

> > the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> > having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> > says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> > anyone know about this?

> >

> > I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult

> to

> > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> >

> > Marlena

> >

> >

> >

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Hi ,

Thanks for your interest and help.

My " extra " symptoms since thyroid treatment are

terrible fatigue and weakness. I am 29 and feel like

an old person now. Although I was having bad symptoms

before I didn't have these symptoms.

My blood pressure is low and has been as long as I can

remember. Now I take it myself everyday. In the

morning on waking, it is often 100/54 or so and my

basal pulse is now in the normal range 65-75, but

earlier on a lower thyroid dose, it would get down to

57-60 ... If I take my blood pressure again on

standing up, it sometimes goes down, sometimes goes

up. I know it is supposed to go up. Actually the

bottom number almost always goes up but sometimes the

top number goes down.

My tongue is swollen with teeth marks, I'm often quite

thirsty and pee often and a lot, I use licorice, sea

salt, and hydrocortisone (7.5 mg now) to improve my

adrenals -- it seems as though my cortisol levels are

better than they were (they were high before

treatment, low after treatment, and last test showed

they were too high again so I've sinced decreased my

dose of hydrocortisone ... it seems that when my

hydrocortisone dose is too high I get lots of symptoms

like terrible insomnia, headaches, stomach pains that

are relieved by tri-salts or homeopathic

hydrocortisone (which antidotes the extra hormone, I

think). I won't go into all my signs and symptoms --

the ones I mentioned are the ones that seem related to

the adrenals ... also my temperature is still in the

97 range ...

Marlena

--- jeneric46324 wrote:

>

> Can you try and elobarate a little more for me?????

> Symptoms and

> physical signs, heart rate blodd pressure these

> types of things????

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> My

> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> test

> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> hr

> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> of

> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> here

> > are my results:

> >

> > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> >

> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> the

> > results!)

> > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> >

> > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm

> on 3

> > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release

> T3. (I

> > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> 25mcg

> > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> eventually

> > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to

> cut

> > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> probably

> > good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive

> who

> > is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she

> told

> > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> correlated

> > with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not

> extra

> > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense

> with

> > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> guessing

> > that my original thyroid production is down to

> zero or

> > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was

> .011)

> > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> > completely dependent on something that isn't even

> > working for me! I've done all the research and

> been

> > the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed

> to

> > be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> > here.

> > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> enhance

> > conversion too ...

> >

> > My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive

> about

> > where I should go from here ...

> >

> > The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> > results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> > doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation

> test

> > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk

> to

> > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the

> 2 24

> > hr urine collection results which tests a

> breakdown of

> > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able

> to do

> > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as

> to

> > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm

> going

> > crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment

> for

> > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm

> not

> > nearly as functional as before ...]

> >

> > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a

> good

> > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> supposed to

> > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number

> to

> > begin with but then it went down just a little

> after

> > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but

> what

> > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> salt

> > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> aldosterone's

> > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you

> eat,

> > the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> > having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> > says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> > anyone know about this?

> >

> > I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult

> to

> > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> >

> > Marlena

> >

> >

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> > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> > My

> > > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> > test

> > > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> > hr

> > > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> > of

> > > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> > here

> > > are my results:

> > >

> > > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> > >

> > > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> > the

> > > results!)

> > > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> > >

> > > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm

> > on 3

> > > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release

> > T3. (I

> > > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> > 25mcg

> > > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> > > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> > eventually

> > > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> > > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to

> > cut

> > > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> > > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> > probably

> > > good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive

> > who

> > > is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she

> > told

> > > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> > correlated

> > > with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> > > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not

> > extra

> > > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense

> > with

> > > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> > > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> > guessing

> > > that my original thyroid production is down to

> > zero or

> > > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was

> > .011)

> > > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> > > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> > > completely dependent on something that isn't even

> > > working for me! I've done all the research and

> > been

> > > the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed

> > to

> > > be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> > > here.

> > > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> > enhance

> > > conversion too ...

> > >

> > > My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive

> > about

> > > where I should go from here ...

> > >

> > > The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> > > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> > > results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> > > doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation

> > test

> > > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk

> > to

> > > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the

> > 2 24

> > > hr urine collection results which tests a

> > breakdown of

> > > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able

> > to do

> > > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as

> > to

> > > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm

> > going

> > > crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment

> > for

> > > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm

> > not

> > > nearly as functional as before ...]

> > >

> > > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a

> > good

> > > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> > supposed to

> > > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number

> > to

> > > begin with but then it went down just a little

> > after

> > > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but

> > what

> > > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> > salt

> > > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> > aldosterone's

> > > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you

> > eat,

> > > the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> > > having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> > > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > > aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> > > says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> > > anyone know about this?

> > >

> > > I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult

> > to

> > > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> > >

> > > Marlena

> > >

> > >

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> > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> > My

> > > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> > test

> > > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> > hr

> > > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> > of

> > > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> > here

> > > are my results:

> > >

> > > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> > >

> > > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> > the

> > > results!)

> > > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> > >

> > > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm

> > on 3

> > > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release

> > T3. (I

> > > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> > 25mcg

> > > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> > > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> > eventually

> > > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> > > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to

> > cut

> > > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> > > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> > probably

> > > good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive

> > who

> > > is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she

> > told

> > > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> > correlated

> > > with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> > > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not

> > extra

> > > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense

> > with

> > > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> > > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> > guessing

> > > that my original thyroid production is down to

> > zero or

> > > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was

> > .011)

> > > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> > > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> > > completely dependent on something that isn't even

> > > working for me! I've done all the research and

> > been

> > > the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed

> > to

> > > be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> > > here.

> > > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> > enhance

> > > conversion too ...

> > >

> > > My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive

> > about

> > > where I should go from here ...

> > >

> > > The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> > > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> > > results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> > > doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation

> > test

> > > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk

> > to

> > > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the

> > 2 24

> > > hr urine collection results which tests a

> > breakdown of

> > > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able

> > to do

> > > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as

> > to

> > > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm

> > going

> > > crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment

> > for

> > > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm

> > not

> > > nearly as functional as before ...]

> > >

> > > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a

> > good

> > > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> > supposed to

> > > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number

> > to

> > > begin with but then it went down just a little

> > after

> > > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but

> > what

> > > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> > salt

> > > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> > aldosterone's

> > > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you

> > eat,

> > > the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> > > having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> > > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > > aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> > > says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> > > anyone know about this?

> > >

> > > I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult

> > to

> > > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> > >

> > > Marlena

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> > My

> > > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> > test

> > > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> > hr

> > > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> > of

> > > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> > here

> > > are my results:

> > >

> > > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> > >

> > > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> > the

> > > results!)

> > > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> > >

> > > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm

> > on 3

> > > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release

> > T3. (I

> > > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> > 25mcg

> > > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over a

> > > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> > eventually

> > > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know my

> > > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had to

> > cut

> > > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so it

> > > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> > probably

> > > good ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive

> > who

> > > is helping me to figure things out a bit -- she

> > told

> > > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> > correlated

> > > with my symptoms -- which for me was a feverish

> > > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not

> > extra

> > > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense

> > with

> > > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my body

> > > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> > guessing

> > > that my original thyroid production is down to

> > zero or

> > > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was

> > .011)

> > > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on no

> > > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to be

> > > completely dependent on something that isn't even

> > > working for me! I've done all the research and

> > been

> > > the model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed

> > to

> > > be doing ... I really don't know where to go from

> > > here.

> > > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> > enhance

> > > conversion too ...

> > >

> > > My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive

> > about

> > > where I should go from here ...

> > >

> > > The weird thing is that I feel worse than before I

> > > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal test

> > > results seem to show that my adrenals are actually

> > > doing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation

> > test

> > > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk

> > to

> > > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the

> > 2 24

> > > hr urine collection results which tests a

> > breakdown of

> > > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able

> > to do

> > > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as

> > to

> > > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm

> > going

> > > crazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment

> > for

> > > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm

> > not

> > > nearly as functional as before ...]

> > >

> > > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a

> > good

> > > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> > supposed to

> > > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number

> > to

> > > begin with but then it went down just a little

> > after

> > > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but

> > what

> > > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> > salt

> > > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> > aldosterone's

> > > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more you

> > eat,

> > > the less is needed. Therefore I would think that

> > > having the surge of cortisol after the test would

> > > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > > aldosterone -- like happened with me -- however it

> > > says that it is supposed to increase so ... does

> > > anyone know about this?

> > >

> > > I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult

> > to

> > > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> > >

> > > Marlena

> > >

> > >

> > >

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--- jeneric46324 wrote:

>

> > > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent

> thyroid

> > > > results in but I'm not sure where to go from

> here.

> > > My

> > > > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more

> obsure

> > > test

> > > > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a

> 24

> > > hr

> > > > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the

> amount

> > > of

> > > > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> > > here

> > > > are my results:

> > > >

> > > > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > > > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > > > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> > > >

> > > > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to

> get

> > > the

> > > > results!)

> > > > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > > > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> > > >

> > > > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now

> I'm

> > > on 3

> > > > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained

> release

> > > T3. (I

> > > > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> > > 25mcg

> > > > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was

> over a

> > > > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> > > eventually

> > > > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know

> my

> > > > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had

> to

> > > cut

> > > > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life

> so it

> > > > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> > > probably

> > > > good ... I'm also working with a medical

> intuitive

> > > who

> > > > is helping me to figure things out a bit --

> she

> > > told

> > > > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> > > correlated

> > > > with my symptoms -- which for me was a

> feverish

> > > > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat --

> not

> > > extra

> > > > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make

> sense

> > > with

> > > > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my

> body

> > > > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> > > guessing

> > > > that my original thyroid production is down to

> > > zero or

> > > > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains

> was

> > > .011)

> > > > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better

> on no

> > > > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to

> be

> > > > completely dependent on something that isn't

> even

> > > > working for me! I've done all the research and

> > > been

> > > > the model patient -- doing everything I'm

> supposed

> > > to

> > > > be doing ... I really don't know where to go

> from

> > > > here.

> > > > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> > > enhance

> > > > conversion too ...

> > > >

> > > > My doctor is not telling me anything

> conclusive

> > > about

> > > > where I should go from here ...

> > > >

> > > > The weird thing is that I feel worse than

> before I

> > > > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal

> test

> > > > results seem to show that my adrenals are

> actually

> > > > doing ok (although this was an ACTH

> stimulation

> > > test

> > > > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to

> talk

> > > to

> > > > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of

> the

> > > 2 24

> > > > hr urine collection results which tests a

> > > breakdown of

> > > > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be

> able

> > > to do

> > > > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really

> confused as

> > > to

> > > > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now --

> I'm

> > > going

> > > > crazy -- things were pretty bad before

> treatment

> > > for

> > > > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now

> I'm

> > > not

> > > > nearly as functional as before ...]

> > > >

> > > > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by

> a

> > > good

> > > > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> > > supposed to

> > > > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good

> number

> > > to

> > > > begin with but then it went down just a little

> > > after

> > > > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ...

> but

> > > what

> > > > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> > > salt

> > > > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> > > aldosterone's

> > > > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more

> you

> > > eat,

> > > > the less is needed. Therefore I would think

> that

> > > > having the surge of cortisol after the test

> would

> > > > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > > > aldosterone -- like happened with me --

> however it

> > > > says that it is supposed to increase so ...

> does

> > > > anyone know about this?

> > > >

> > > > I know I'm writing a letter that will be

> difficult

> > > to

> > > > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> > > >

> > > > Marlena

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________

> > > > Yahoo! Mail

> > > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take

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--- jeneric46324 wrote:

>

> > > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent

> thyroid

> > > > results in but I'm not sure where to go from

> here.

> > > My

> > > > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more

> obsure

> > > test

> > > > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a

> 24

> > > hr

> > > > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the

> amount

> > > of

> > > > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> > > here

> > > > are my results:

> > > >

> > > > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > > > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > > > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> > > >

> > > > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to

> get

> > > the

> > > > results!)

> > > > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > > > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> > > >

> > > > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now

> I'm

> > > on 3

> > > > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained

> release

> > > T3. (I

> > > > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and

> > > 25mcg

> > > > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was

> over a

> > > > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and

> > > eventually

> > > > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know

> my

> > > > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had

> to

> > > cut

> > > > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life

> so it

> > > > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was

> > > probably

> > > > good ... I'm also working with a medical

> intuitive

> > > who

> > > > is helping me to figure things out a bit --

> she

> > > told

> > > > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which

> > > correlated

> > > > with my symptoms -- which for me was a

> feverish

> > > > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat --

> not

> > > extra

> > > > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make

> sense

> > > with

> > > > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my

> body

> > > > would want more T3... from my results I'm

> > > guessing

> > > > that my original thyroid production is down to

> > > zero or

> > > > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains

> was

> > > .011)

> > > > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better

> on no

> > > > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to

> be

> > > > completely dependent on something that isn't

> even

> > > > working for me! I've done all the research and

> > > been

> > > > the model patient -- doing everything I'm

> supposed

> > > to

> > > > be doing ... I really don't know where to go

> from

> > > > here.

> > > > I do all the things one is supposed to do to

> > > enhance

> > > > conversion too ...

> > > >

> > > > My doctor is not telling me anything

> conclusive

> > > about

> > > > where I should go from here ...

> > > >

> > > > The weird thing is that I feel worse than

> before I

> > > > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal

> test

> > > > results seem to show that my adrenals are

> actually

> > > > doing ok (although this was an ACTH

> stimulation

> > > test

> > > > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to

> talk

> > > to

> > > > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of

> the

> > > 2 24

> > > > hr urine collection results which tests a

> > > breakdown of

> > > > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be

> able

> > > to do

> > > > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really

> confused as

> > > to

> > > > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now --

> I'm

> > > going

> > > > crazy -- things were pretty bad before

> treatment

> > > for

> > > > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now

> I'm

> > > not

> > > > nearly as functional as before ...]

> > > >

> > > > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by

> a

> > > good

> > > > amount after the stimulation -- which it's

> > > supposed to

> > > > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good

> number

> > > to

> > > > begin with but then it went down just a little

> > > after

> > > > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ...

> but

> > > what

> > > > I don't understand is that apparently the more

> > > salt

> > > > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...

> > > aldosterone's

> > > > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more

> you

> > > eat,

> > > > the less is needed. Therefore I would think

> that

> > > > having the surge of cortisol after the test

> would

> > > > increase salt retention and therefore lower

> > > > aldosterone -- like happened with me --

> however it

> > > > says that it is supposed to increase so ...

> does

> > > > anyone know about this?

> > > >

> > > > I know I'm writing a letter that will be

> difficult

> > > to

> > > > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...

> > > >

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> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My

> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test

> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr

> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of

> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here

> are my results:

>

> 11/2004 (before treatment):

> T3 621 range 800-1800

> T4 1698 range 1800-3000

>

> 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the

> results!)

> T3 894 range 800-1800

> T4 3124 range 1800-3000

>

I agree that you are not converting well..you need T3 but you also

need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is to not use SR T3

and multidose during the day so your body gets a more even dose

during the day until your body is able to tolerate larger amounts of

T3.

Another idea is as to why you are not converting? Adrenal support is

good but some times it can through the balance off..if you support

one it lowers the others..

Few questions..how many times a day do you take your Armour and T3

and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?

How old are you? Are you menopausal or perimenopausal?

Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone tests done?

I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4 in the upper 2/3

range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the upper end of the

range so 1600? These of course vary with how you feel?

Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or just free's?

I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at 3 1/2 grains of

Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4 number seems

really high for such a low dose of T4..I think high levels of

estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound and would explain

the loss of conversion..

Some others probabley have more ideas but I am thinking either

testing for hormone resistance in which case you may need to switch

dominantly to T3..

Sellium helps with conversion.. Glucose, sodium and a few others

effect conversion as well as liver disease. And should be tested.

Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely , not sure about

progesterone and androgen but I would get these levels checked..

Kats3boys

( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an oops I am sorry,

dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..)

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> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My

> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test

> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr

> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of

> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here

> are my results:

>

> 11/2004 (before treatment):

> T3 621 range 800-1800

> T4 1698 range 1800-3000

>

> 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the

> results!)

> T3 894 range 800-1800

> T4 3124 range 1800-3000

>

I agree that you are not converting well..you need T3 but you also

need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is to not use SR T3

and multidose during the day so your body gets a more even dose

during the day until your body is able to tolerate larger amounts of

T3.

Another idea is as to why you are not converting? Adrenal support is

good but some times it can through the balance off..if you support

one it lowers the others..

Few questions..how many times a day do you take your Armour and T3

and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?

How old are you? Are you menopausal or perimenopausal?

Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone tests done?

I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4 in the upper 2/3

range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the upper end of the

range so 1600? These of course vary with how you feel?

Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or just free's?

I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at 3 1/2 grains of

Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4 number seems

really high for such a low dose of T4..I think high levels of

estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound and would explain

the loss of conversion..

Some others probabley have more ideas but I am thinking either

testing for hormone resistance in which case you may need to switch

dominantly to T3..

Sellium helps with conversion.. Glucose, sodium and a few others

effect conversion as well as liver disease. And should be tested.

Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely , not sure about

progesterone and androgen but I would get these levels checked..

Kats3boys

( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an oops I am sorry,

dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..)

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Hi Kats,

Thanks for your reply ... I'll answer your questions

in text ...

--- kats3boys wrote:

>

> > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> My

> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> test

> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> hr

> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> of

> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> here

> > are my results:

> >

> > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> >

> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> the

> > results!)

> > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> >

> I agree that you are not converting well..you need

> T3 but you also

> need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is

> to not use SR T3

> and multidose during the day so your body gets a

> more even dose

> during the day until your body is able to tolerate

> larger amounts of

> T3.

>

So you think that plain T3 multi-dosed would give a

more even supply of T3 than sustained release T3

(which is made in order to give a more even supply)?

> Another idea is as to why you are not converting?

> Adrenal support is

> good but some times it can through the balance

> off..if you support

> one it lowers the others..

Yes, this is true ... but adrenals support was

definitely necessary from tests I took before doing

adrenal support -- they showed it was necessary! I'm

now wondering if the hydrocortisone I am taking is

helping my cortisol producing layer of my adrenals but

the aldosterone producing layer may not be getting

enough support (my aldosterone went down instead of

up after the stimulation)...

>

> Few questions..how many times a day do you take your

> Armour and T3

> and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?

I have experimented with multi-dosing but it didn't

seem to help me. So I take it once daily,

sublingually, and on an empty stomach -- just in case!

The SR T3 only needs to be taken once a day -- because

small amounts of it get released over the course of

the day ... I also experimented with taking plain T3

and it seemed to make me feel worse -- perhaps it was

too strong for my adrenals to handle -- don't know???

> How old are you? Are you menopausal or

> perimenopausal?

I'm only 29 : (

> Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone

> tests done?

I've had a 4x/day saliva test for my cortisol/DHEA

levels several times ... the 2 thyroid antibody tests

results (when on 1.5 grains) were both negative (<2)--

I should have had them tested before treatment but I

didn't know I was supposed to! When on 2.5 grains,

TSH: 0.011, Free T4: 1.1 range 0.8-1.8, Free T3: 3.1

range 2.3-4.2

> I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4

> in the upper 2/3

> range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the

> upper end of the

> range so 1600? These of course vary with how you

> feel?

>

> Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or

> just free's?

This test is very different from any of the blood

tests, I think. I believe the free's test how much is

available in the blood to be used ... and this test

shows how much was actually used -- so if someone is

thyroid hormone resistant or for whatever reason the

tissues are unable to use all the hormone available in

the blood, this will show that.

> I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at

> 3 1/2 grains of

> Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4

> number seems

> really high for such a low dose of T4..

Actually I was only on 3 1/4 grains for that test, but

yes, I agree with you that my T4 seems inordinantly

high. I'm thinking that for whatever reason (perhaps

the aldosterone problem), my body can not tolerate an

increased metabolism (that would result from an

increased T3 level) because that would speed up the

rate at which the aldosterone (for instance) is

cleared and if my body can't produce adequate amounts

to keep up, than I will suffer more, so my body is

adjusting by keeping the T4 unconverted -- hence it is

building up ... but I really have no idea, just a

theory!

I think high

> levels of

> estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound

> and would explain

> the loss of conversion..

>

That's interesting. I have never been tested but I do

use natural progesterone cream for the 2nd half of my

cycle to deal with PMS etc.

> Some others probabley have more ideas but I am

> thinking either

> testing for hormone resistance in which case you may

> need to switch

> dominantly to T3..

How do you test for T3 resistance (other than the test

I took)? I have thought about taking only T3 but I

need to make sure my adrenals and whatever else can

handle it -- I will definitely be looking into this

though --thanks!

> Sellium helps with conversion..

I am taking Selenium -- 400mcg for several months and

now 300 ... the thyroid test I took measures selenium

as well, and before I started supplementing (and

before thyroid treatment) my level was 5, range

15-160! With this last test it was thankfully up to

92!

Glucose, sodium and

> a few others

> effect conversion as well as liver disease. And

> should be tested.

I had my fasting glucose tested and it was 82, range

60-99 -- so that seemed good. I also have a blood

glucose monitor at home that I take myself from time

to time and it always seems fine ...

Sodium is on the low side but normal, 138, range

136-146. This probably reflects the aldosterone issue.

Aldosterone's job is to keep sodium in the body ...

although potassium was even lower, 3.6, range 3.6-5.2

-- so I'm not sure how that relates. I'm supplementing

with both ...

> Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely ,

> not sure about

> progesterone and androgen but I would get these

> levels checked..

That's a good idea.

> Kats3boys

> ( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an

> oops I am sorry,

> dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..)

No problem. I really appreciate you taking the time to

think this over and ask me questions -- anything you

have to add is very welcomed!

Marlena

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My problem is that I've never seen anything on urine testing for thyroid hormones. Since these do not specify that they are Free Ts we have to assume that they are totals. Which means you don't know how much hormone is available for use. Your T4 here is showing very high... but how much of it is bound and unusable? If a lot of it is bound, for whatever reason, then there isn't enough available for conversion, which could be why the T3 is so low in it's range.... Then, if we continue to assume that these are totals, your available T3 is actually below range???

I can't say that the urine tests are more, or less, accurate than the blood tests, we just don't know for sure what was tested (total or free, or if they can even differentiate between free and bound hormone) and how those numbers, in their ranges, compare to what we've learned about blood levels and ranges.

We know that you aren't feeling as well as you should... but we don't know why, yet.... Using a totally different testing method leaves us in the dark... we have no comparison, no experience, to know how to interpret them.

Just my thoughts.....

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Marlena writes:

Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroidresults in but I'm not sure where to go from here. Mydoctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure testfrom a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hrurine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount ofhormone your body is actually using ... anyway hereare my results:11/2004 (before treatment):T3 621 range 800-1800T4 1698 range 1800-30007/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get theresults!)T3 894 range 800-1800T4 3124 range 1800-3000So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm on 3grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release T3. (Iwas actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and 25mcgof SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over amonth ago), but soon after felt so bad and eventuallyoverstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know myconsistency hasn't been that good, but I had to cutback -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so itseemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was probablygood ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive whois helping me to figure things out a bit -- she toldme that the 25 mcg was way too high (which correlatedwith my symptoms -- which for me was a feverishfeeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not extraenergy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense withmy low T3 test result. It would seem that my bodywould want more T3... from my results I'm guessingthat my original thyroid production is down to zero oralmost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was .011)... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on nomedication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to becompletely dependent on something that isn't evenworking for me! I've done all the research and beenthe model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed tobe doing ... I really don't know where to go fromhere. I do all the things one is supposed to do to enhanceconversion too ...My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive aboutwhere I should go from here ...The weird thing is that I feel worse than before Istarted treatment ... and my latest adrenal testresults seem to show that my adrenals are actuallydoing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation testto check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk tothe lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the 2 24hr urine collection results which tests a breakdown ofall the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able to dothis for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as towhy I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm goingcrazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment for10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm notnearly as functional as before ...]Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a goodamount after the stimulation -- which it's supposed todo -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number tobegin with but then it went down just a little afterthe stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but whatI don't understand is that apparently the more saltyou eat, the lower the aldosterone ... aldosterone'sjob is to keep salt in your body, so the more you eat,the less is needed. Therefore I would think thathaving the surge of cortisol after the test wouldincrease salt retention and therefore loweraldosterone -- like happened with me -- however itsays that it is supposed to increase so ... doesanyone know about this?I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult torespond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...Marlena

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My problem is that I've never seen anything on urine testing for thyroid hormones. Since these do not specify that they are Free Ts we have to assume that they are totals. Which means you don't know how much hormone is available for use. Your T4 here is showing very high... but how much of it is bound and unusable? If a lot of it is bound, for whatever reason, then there isn't enough available for conversion, which could be why the T3 is so low in it's range.... Then, if we continue to assume that these are totals, your available T3 is actually below range???

I can't say that the urine tests are more, or less, accurate than the blood tests, we just don't know for sure what was tested (total or free, or if they can even differentiate between free and bound hormone) and how those numbers, in their ranges, compare to what we've learned about blood levels and ranges.

We know that you aren't feeling as well as you should... but we don't know why, yet.... Using a totally different testing method leaves us in the dark... we have no comparison, no experience, to know how to interpret them.

Just my thoughts.....

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Marlena writes:

Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroidresults in but I'm not sure where to go from here. Mydoctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure testfrom a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hrurine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount ofhormone your body is actually using ... anyway hereare my results:11/2004 (before treatment):T3 621 range 800-1800T4 1698 range 1800-30007/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get theresults!)T3 894 range 800-1800T4 3124 range 1800-3000So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm on 3grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release T3. (Iwas actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and 25mcgof SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over amonth ago), but soon after felt so bad and eventuallyoverstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know myconsistency hasn't been that good, but I had to cutback -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so itseemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was probablygood ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive whois helping me to figure things out a bit -- she toldme that the 25 mcg was way too high (which correlatedwith my symptoms -- which for me was a feverishfeeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not extraenergy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense withmy low T3 test result. It would seem that my bodywould want more T3... from my results I'm guessingthat my original thyroid production is down to zero oralmost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was .011)... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on nomedication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to becompletely dependent on something that isn't evenworking for me! I've done all the research and beenthe model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed tobe doing ... I really don't know where to go fromhere. I do all the things one is supposed to do to enhanceconversion too ...My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive aboutwhere I should go from here ...The weird thing is that I feel worse than before Istarted treatment ... and my latest adrenal testresults seem to show that my adrenals are actuallydoing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation testto check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk tothe lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the 2 24hr urine collection results which tests a breakdown ofall the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able to dothis for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as towhy I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm goingcrazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment for10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm notnearly as functional as before ...]Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a goodamount after the stimulation -- which it's supposed todo -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number tobegin with but then it went down just a little afterthe stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but whatI don't understand is that apparently the more saltyou eat, the lower the aldosterone ... aldosterone'sjob is to keep salt in your body, so the more you eat,the less is needed. Therefore I would think thathaving the surge of cortisol after the test wouldincrease salt retention and therefore loweraldosterone -- like happened with me -- however itsays that it is supposed to increase so ... doesanyone know about this?I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult torespond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...Marlena

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My problem is that I've never seen anything on urine testing for thyroid hormones. Since these do not specify that they are Free Ts we have to assume that they are totals. Which means you don't know how much hormone is available for use. Your T4 here is showing very high... but how much of it is bound and unusable? If a lot of it is bound, for whatever reason, then there isn't enough available for conversion, which could be why the T3 is so low in it's range.... Then, if we continue to assume that these are totals, your available T3 is actually below range???

I can't say that the urine tests are more, or less, accurate than the blood tests, we just don't know for sure what was tested (total or free, or if they can even differentiate between free and bound hormone) and how those numbers, in their ranges, compare to what we've learned about blood levels and ranges.

We know that you aren't feeling as well as you should... but we don't know why, yet.... Using a totally different testing method leaves us in the dark... we have no comparison, no experience, to know how to interpret them.

Just my thoughts.....

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Marlena writes:

Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroidresults in but I'm not sure where to go from here. Mydoctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure testfrom a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hrurine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount ofhormone your body is actually using ... anyway hereare my results:11/2004 (before treatment):T3 621 range 800-1800T4 1698 range 1800-30007/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get theresults!)T3 894 range 800-1800T4 3124 range 1800-3000So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now I'm on 3grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained release T3. (Iwas actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and 25mcgof SR T3 at the time of the test (which was over amonth ago), but soon after felt so bad and eventuallyoverstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know myconsistency hasn't been that good, but I had to cutback -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life so itseemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was probablygood ... I'm also working with a medical intuitive whois helping me to figure things out a bit -- she toldme that the 25 mcg was way too high (which correlatedwith my symptoms -- which for me was a feverishfeeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat -- not extraenergy that's for sure). This doesn't make sense withmy low T3 test result. It would seem that my bodywould want more T3... from my results I'm guessingthat my original thyroid production is down to zero oralmost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains was .011)... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better on nomedication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to becompletely dependent on something that isn't evenworking for me! I've done all the research and beenthe model patient -- doing everything I'm supposed tobe doing ... I really don't know where to go fromhere. I do all the things one is supposed to do to enhanceconversion too ...My doctor is not telling me anything conclusive aboutwhere I should go from here ...The weird thing is that I feel worse than before Istarted treatment ... and my latest adrenal testresults seem to show that my adrenals are actuallydoing ok (although this was an ACTH stimulation testto check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to talk tothe lab to get a conclusive interpretation of the 2 24hr urine collection results which tests a breakdown ofall the adrenal hormones... and he won't be able to dothis for another 2 weeks!). I'm really confused as towhy I would feel worse [for 8 months now -- I'm goingcrazy -- things were pretty bad before treatment for10+ years but I was still functioning -- now I'm notnearly as functional as before ...]Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by a goodamount after the stimulation -- which it's supposed todo -- except the aldosterone. It was a good number tobegin with but then it went down just a little afterthe stimulation. It is supposed to go up ... but whatI don't understand is that apparently the more saltyou eat, the lower the aldosterone ... aldosterone'sjob is to keep salt in your body, so the more you eat,the less is needed. Therefore I would think thathaving the surge of cortisol after the test wouldincrease salt retention and therefore loweraldosterone -- like happened with me -- however itsays that it is supposed to increase so ... doesanyone know about this?I know I'm writing a letter that will be difficult torespond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...Marlena

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> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here> are my results:> > 11/2004 (before treatment):> T3 621 range 800-1800> T4 1698 range 1800-3000> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the> results!)> T3 894 range 800-1800> T4 3124 range 1800-3000> I agree that you are not converting well..you need T3 but you also need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is to

not use SR T3 and multidose during the day so your body gets a more even dose during the day until your body is able to tolerate larger amounts of T3.Another idea is as to why you are not converting? Adrenal support is good but some times it can through the balance off..if you support one it lowers the others..Few questions..how many times a day do you take your Armour and T3 and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?How old are you? Are you menopausal or perimenopausal?Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone tests done?I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4 in the upper 2/3 range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the upper end of the range so 1600? These of course vary with how you feel?Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or just free's?I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at 3 1/2 grains of Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and

your T4 number seems really high for such a low dose of T4..I think high levels of estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound and would explain the loss of conversion..Some others probabley have more ideas but I am thinking either testing for hormone resistance in which case you may need to switch dominantly to T3..Sellium helps with conversion.. Glucose, sodium and a few others effect conversion as well as liver disease. And should be tested.Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely , not sure about progesterone and androgen but I would get these levels checked..Kats3boys( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an oops I am sorry, dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..)

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~E:)kats3boys wrote:

> Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid> results in but I'm not sure where to go from here. My> doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure test> from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24 hr> urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount of> hormone your body is actually using ... anyway here> are my results:> > 11/2004 (before treatment):> T3 621 range 800-1800> T4 1698 range 1800-3000> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get the> results!)> T3 894 range 800-1800> T4 3124 range 1800-3000> I agree that you are not converting well..you need T3 but you also need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is to

not use SR T3 and multidose during the day so your body gets a more even dose during the day until your body is able to tolerate larger amounts of T3.Another idea is as to why you are not converting? Adrenal support is good but some times it can through the balance off..if you support one it lowers the others..Few questions..how many times a day do you take your Armour and T3 and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?How old are you? Are you menopausal or perimenopausal?Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone tests done?I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4 in the upper 2/3 range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the upper end of the range so 1600? These of course vary with how you feel?Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or just free's?I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at 3 1/2 grains of Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and

your T4 number seems really high for such a low dose of T4..I think high levels of estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound and would explain the loss of conversion..Some others probabley have more ideas but I am thinking either testing for hormone resistance in which case you may need to switch dominantly to T3..Sellium helps with conversion.. Glucose, sodium and a few others effect conversion as well as liver disease. And should be tested.Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely , not sure about progesterone and androgen but I would get these levels checked..Kats3boys( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an oops I am sorry, dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..)

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Marlena:

Dr. Lowe says It is TRUE that sustained release t3 doesn't not get into the receptors the way the t3 in a Cytomel or Armour would. If you took a Cytomel pill and it was too much all at once...you would have a bad reaction. If you took one in small dose and worked your way into a higher dose you would have lot less reaction and better feeling. I would think this would be even more true if you were also taking Armour.

I too tried time release t3 and it was like I wasn't taking anything. I was on straight t4 with it and the t4 stuck out in the labs the way yours does now...plus I was taking some other meds that were interfering.

Not an easy thing to track down...stupid docs never did a thing to educate me.

~E:)

Marlena wrote:

Hi Kats,Thanks for your reply ... I'll answer your questionsin text ...--- kats3boys wrote:> > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.> My> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure> test> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24> hr> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount> of> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway> here> > are my results:> > > > 11/2004 (before treatment):> > T3 621 range 800-1800> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000> > > > 7/05 (since

treatment ... it takes a month to get> the> > results!)> > T3 894 range 800-1800> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000> > > I agree that you are not converting well..you need> T3 but you also > need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is> to not use SR T3 > and multidose during the day so your body gets a> more even dose > during the day until your body is able to tolerate> larger amounts of > T3.> So you think that plain T3 multi-dosed would give amore even supply of T3 than sustained release T3(which is made in order to give a more even supply)?> Another idea is as to why you are not converting?> Adrenal support is > good but some times it can through the balance> off..if you support > one it lowers the others..Yes, this is true ... but adrenals support wasdefinitely necessary from tests I took

before doingadrenal support -- they showed it was necessary! I'mnow wondering if the hydrocortisone I am taking ishelping my cortisol producing layer of my adrenals butthe aldosterone producing layer may not be gettingenough support (my aldosterone went down instead ofup after the stimulation)...> > Few questions..how many times a day do you take your> Armour and T3 > and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?I have experimented with multi-dosing but it didn'tseem to help me. So I take it once daily,sublingually, and on an empty stomach -- just in case!The SR T3 only needs to be taken once a day -- becausesmall amounts of it get released over the course ofthe day ... I also experimented with taking plain T3and it seemed to make me feel worse -- perhaps it wastoo strong for my adrenals to handle -- don't know???> How old are you? Are you menopausal or>

perimenopausal?I'm only 29 : (> Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone> tests done?I've had a 4x/day saliva test for my cortisol/DHEAlevels several times ... the 2 thyroid antibody testsresults (when on 1.5 grains) were both negative (<2)--I should have had them tested before treatment but Ididn't know I was supposed to! When on 2.5 grains,TSH: 0.011, Free T4: 1.1 range 0.8-1.8, Free T3: 3.1range 2.3-4.2> I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4> in the upper 2/3 > range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the> upper end of the > range so 1600? These of course vary with how you> feel?> > Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or> just free's?This test is very different from any of the bloodtests, I think. I believe the free's test how much isavailable in the blood to be used ... and this

testshows how much was actually used -- so if someone isthyroid hormone resistant or for whatever reason thetissues are unable to use all the hormone available inthe blood, this will show that. > I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at> 3 1/2 grains of > Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4> number seems > really high for such a low dose of T4..Actually I was only on 3 1/4 grains for that test, butyes, I agree with you that my T4 seems inordinantlyhigh. I'm thinking that for whatever reason (perhapsthe aldosterone problem), my body can not tolerate anincreased metabolism (that would result from anincreased T3 level) because that would speed up therate at which the aldosterone (for instance) iscleared and if my body can't produce adequate amountsto keep up, than I will suffer more, so my body isadjusting by keeping the T4 unconverted -- hence it

isbuilding up ... but I really have no idea, just atheory!I think high> levels of > estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound> and would explain > the loss of conversion..> That's interesting. I have never been tested but I douse natural progesterone cream for the 2nd half of mycycle to deal with PMS etc.> Some others probabley have more ideas but I am> thinking either > testing for hormone resistance in which case you may> need to switch > dominantly to T3..How do you test for T3 resistance (other than the testI took)? I have thought about taking only T3 but Ineed to make sure my adrenals and whatever else canhandle it -- I will definitely be looking into thisthough --thanks!> Sellium helps with conversion.. I am taking Selenium -- 400mcg for several months andnow 300 ... the thyroid test I took measures seleniumas

well, and before I started supplementing (andbefore thyroid treatment) my level was 5, range15-160! With this last test it was thankfully up to92!Glucose, sodium and> a few others > effect conversion as well as liver disease. And> should be tested.I had my fasting glucose tested and it was 82, range60-99 -- so that seemed good. I also have a bloodglucose monitor at home that I take myself from timeto time and it always seems fine ...Sodium is on the low side but normal, 138, range136-146. This probably reflects the aldosterone issue.Aldosterone's job is to keep sodium in the body ...although potassium was even lower, 3.6, range 3.6-5.2-- so I'm not sure how that relates. I'm supplementingwith both ...> Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely ,> not sure about > progesterone and androgen but I would get these> levels checked..That's a good

idea.> Kats3boys> ( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an> oops I am sorry, > dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..) No problem. I really appreciate you taking the time tothink this over and ask me questions -- anything youhave to add is very welcomed!Marlena __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Marlena:

Dr. Lowe says It is TRUE that sustained release t3 doesn't not get into the receptors the way the t3 in a Cytomel or Armour would. If you took a Cytomel pill and it was too much all at once...you would have a bad reaction. If you took one in small dose and worked your way into a higher dose you would have lot less reaction and better feeling. I would think this would be even more true if you were also taking Armour.

I too tried time release t3 and it was like I wasn't taking anything. I was on straight t4 with it and the t4 stuck out in the labs the way yours does now...plus I was taking some other meds that were interfering.

Not an easy thing to track down...stupid docs never did a thing to educate me.

~E:)

Marlena wrote:

Hi Kats,Thanks for your reply ... I'll answer your questionsin text ...--- kats3boys wrote:> > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.> My> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure> test> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24> hr> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount> of> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway> here> > are my results:> > > > 11/2004 (before treatment):> > T3 621 range 800-1800> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000> > > > 7/05 (since

treatment ... it takes a month to get> the> > results!)> > T3 894 range 800-1800> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000> > > I agree that you are not converting well..you need> T3 but you also > need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is> to not use SR T3 > and multidose during the day so your body gets a> more even dose > during the day until your body is able to tolerate> larger amounts of > T3.> So you think that plain T3 multi-dosed would give amore even supply of T3 than sustained release T3(which is made in order to give a more even supply)?> Another idea is as to why you are not converting?> Adrenal support is > good but some times it can through the balance> off..if you support > one it lowers the others..Yes, this is true ... but adrenals support wasdefinitely necessary from tests I took

before doingadrenal support -- they showed it was necessary! I'mnow wondering if the hydrocortisone I am taking ishelping my cortisol producing layer of my adrenals butthe aldosterone producing layer may not be gettingenough support (my aldosterone went down instead ofup after the stimulation)...> > Few questions..how many times a day do you take your> Armour and T3 > and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?I have experimented with multi-dosing but it didn'tseem to help me. So I take it once daily,sublingually, and on an empty stomach -- just in case!The SR T3 only needs to be taken once a day -- becausesmall amounts of it get released over the course ofthe day ... I also experimented with taking plain T3and it seemed to make me feel worse -- perhaps it wastoo strong for my adrenals to handle -- don't know???> How old are you? Are you menopausal or>

perimenopausal?I'm only 29 : (> Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone> tests done?I've had a 4x/day saliva test for my cortisol/DHEAlevels several times ... the 2 thyroid antibody testsresults (when on 1.5 grains) were both negative (<2)--I should have had them tested before treatment but Ididn't know I was supposed to! When on 2.5 grains,TSH: 0.011, Free T4: 1.1 range 0.8-1.8, Free T3: 3.1range 2.3-4.2> I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4> in the upper 2/3 > range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the> upper end of the > range so 1600? These of course vary with how you> feel?> > Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or> just free's?This test is very different from any of the bloodtests, I think. I believe the free's test how much isavailable in the blood to be used ... and this

testshows how much was actually used -- so if someone isthyroid hormone resistant or for whatever reason thetissues are unable to use all the hormone available inthe blood, this will show that. > I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at> 3 1/2 grains of > Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4> number seems > really high for such a low dose of T4..Actually I was only on 3 1/4 grains for that test, butyes, I agree with you that my T4 seems inordinantlyhigh. I'm thinking that for whatever reason (perhapsthe aldosterone problem), my body can not tolerate anincreased metabolism (that would result from anincreased T3 level) because that would speed up therate at which the aldosterone (for instance) iscleared and if my body can't produce adequate amountsto keep up, than I will suffer more, so my body isadjusting by keeping the T4 unconverted -- hence it

isbuilding up ... but I really have no idea, just atheory!I think high> levels of > estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound> and would explain > the loss of conversion..> That's interesting. I have never been tested but I douse natural progesterone cream for the 2nd half of mycycle to deal with PMS etc.> Some others probabley have more ideas but I am> thinking either > testing for hormone resistance in which case you may> need to switch > dominantly to T3..How do you test for T3 resistance (other than the testI took)? I have thought about taking only T3 but Ineed to make sure my adrenals and whatever else canhandle it -- I will definitely be looking into thisthough --thanks!> Sellium helps with conversion.. I am taking Selenium -- 400mcg for several months andnow 300 ... the thyroid test I took measures seleniumas

well, and before I started supplementing (andbefore thyroid treatment) my level was 5, range15-160! With this last test it was thankfully up to92!Glucose, sodium and> a few others > effect conversion as well as liver disease. And> should be tested.I had my fasting glucose tested and it was 82, range60-99 -- so that seemed good. I also have a bloodglucose monitor at home that I take myself from timeto time and it always seems fine ...Sodium is on the low side but normal, 138, range136-146. This probably reflects the aldosterone issue.Aldosterone's job is to keep sodium in the body ...although potassium was even lower, 3.6, range 3.6-5.2-- so I'm not sure how that relates. I'm supplementingwith both ...> Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely ,> not sure about > progesterone and androgen but I would get these> levels checked..That's a good

idea.> Kats3boys> ( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an> oops I am sorry, > dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..) No problem. I really appreciate you taking the time tothink this over and ask me questions -- anything youhave to add is very welcomed!Marlena __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Marlena:

Dr. Lowe says It is TRUE that sustained release t3 doesn't not get into the receptors the way the t3 in a Cytomel or Armour would. If you took a Cytomel pill and it was too much all at once...you would have a bad reaction. If you took one in small dose and worked your way into a higher dose you would have lot less reaction and better feeling. I would think this would be even more true if you were also taking Armour.

I too tried time release t3 and it was like I wasn't taking anything. I was on straight t4 with it and the t4 stuck out in the labs the way yours does now...plus I was taking some other meds that were interfering.

Not an easy thing to track down...stupid docs never did a thing to educate me.

~E:)

Marlena wrote:

Hi Kats,Thanks for your reply ... I'll answer your questionsin text ...--- kats3boys wrote:> > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.> My> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure> test> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24> hr> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount> of> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway> here> > are my results:> > > > 11/2004 (before treatment):> > T3 621 range 800-1800> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000> > > > 7/05 (since

treatment ... it takes a month to get> the> > results!)> > T3 894 range 800-1800> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000> > > I agree that you are not converting well..you need> T3 but you also > need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is> to not use SR T3 > and multidose during the day so your body gets a> more even dose > during the day until your body is able to tolerate> larger amounts of > T3.> So you think that plain T3 multi-dosed would give amore even supply of T3 than sustained release T3(which is made in order to give a more even supply)?> Another idea is as to why you are not converting?> Adrenal support is > good but some times it can through the balance> off..if you support > one it lowers the others..Yes, this is true ... but adrenals support wasdefinitely necessary from tests I took

before doingadrenal support -- they showed it was necessary! I'mnow wondering if the hydrocortisone I am taking ishelping my cortisol producing layer of my adrenals butthe aldosterone producing layer may not be gettingenough support (my aldosterone went down instead ofup after the stimulation)...> > Few questions..how many times a day do you take your> Armour and T3 > and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?I have experimented with multi-dosing but it didn'tseem to help me. So I take it once daily,sublingually, and on an empty stomach -- just in case!The SR T3 only needs to be taken once a day -- becausesmall amounts of it get released over the course ofthe day ... I also experimented with taking plain T3and it seemed to make me feel worse -- perhaps it wastoo strong for my adrenals to handle -- don't know???> How old are you? Are you menopausal or>

perimenopausal?I'm only 29 : (> Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone> tests done?I've had a 4x/day saliva test for my cortisol/DHEAlevels several times ... the 2 thyroid antibody testsresults (when on 1.5 grains) were both negative (<2)--I should have had them tested before treatment but Ididn't know I was supposed to! When on 2.5 grains,TSH: 0.011, Free T4: 1.1 range 0.8-1.8, Free T3: 3.1range 2.3-4.2> I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4> in the upper 2/3 > range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the> upper end of the > range so 1600? These of course vary with how you> feel?> > Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or> just free's?This test is very different from any of the bloodtests, I think. I believe the free's test how much isavailable in the blood to be used ... and this

testshows how much was actually used -- so if someone isthyroid hormone resistant or for whatever reason thetissues are unable to use all the hormone available inthe blood, this will show that. > I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at> 3 1/2 grains of > Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4> number seems > really high for such a low dose of T4..Actually I was only on 3 1/4 grains for that test, butyes, I agree with you that my T4 seems inordinantlyhigh. I'm thinking that for whatever reason (perhapsthe aldosterone problem), my body can not tolerate anincreased metabolism (that would result from anincreased T3 level) because that would speed up therate at which the aldosterone (for instance) iscleared and if my body can't produce adequate amountsto keep up, than I will suffer more, so my body isadjusting by keeping the T4 unconverted -- hence it

isbuilding up ... but I really have no idea, just atheory!I think high> levels of > estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound> and would explain > the loss of conversion..> That's interesting. I have never been tested but I douse natural progesterone cream for the 2nd half of mycycle to deal with PMS etc.> Some others probabley have more ideas but I am> thinking either > testing for hormone resistance in which case you may> need to switch > dominantly to T3..How do you test for T3 resistance (other than the testI took)? I have thought about taking only T3 but Ineed to make sure my adrenals and whatever else canhandle it -- I will definitely be looking into thisthough --thanks!> Sellium helps with conversion.. I am taking Selenium -- 400mcg for several months andnow 300 ... the thyroid test I took measures seleniumas

well, and before I started supplementing (andbefore thyroid treatment) my level was 5, range15-160! With this last test it was thankfully up to92!Glucose, sodium and> a few others > effect conversion as well as liver disease. And> should be tested.I had my fasting glucose tested and it was 82, range60-99 -- so that seemed good. I also have a bloodglucose monitor at home that I take myself from timeto time and it always seems fine ...Sodium is on the low side but normal, 138, range136-146. This probably reflects the aldosterone issue.Aldosterone's job is to keep sodium in the body ...although potassium was even lower, 3.6, range 3.6-5.2-- so I'm not sure how that relates. I'm supplementingwith both ...> Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely ,> not sure about > progesterone and androgen but I would get these> levels checked..That's a good

idea.> Kats3boys> ( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an> oops I am sorry, > dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..) No problem. I really appreciate you taking the time tothink this over and ask me questions -- anything youhave to add is very welcomed!Marlena __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Hi E,

No I'm not taking birth control pills and never have!

But I do take 10mg DHEA (while monitoring it with

tests), and natural progesterone cream during the 2nd

half of my cycle to help with PMS ...

Marlena

--- E Gillespie wrote:

> This post reminds me of something.

>

> Are you taking any birth control pills or other sex

> hormones?

>

> ~E:)

> kats3boys wrote:

>

> > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> My

> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> test

> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> hr

> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> of

> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> here

> > are my results:

> >

> > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> >

> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> the

> > results!)

> > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> >

> I agree that you are not converting well..you need

> T3 but you also

> need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is

> to not use SR T3

> and multidose during the day so your body gets a

> more even dose

> during the day until your body is able to tolerate

> larger amounts of

> T3.

>

> Another idea is as to why you are not converting?

> Adrenal support is

> good but some times it can through the balance

> off..if you support

> one it lowers the others..

>

> Few questions..how many times a day do you take your

> Armour and T3

> and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?

>

> How old are you? Are you menopausal or

> perimenopausal?

>

> Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone

> tests done?

>

> I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4

> in the upper 2/3

> range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the

> upper end of the

> range so 1600? These of course vary with how you

> feel?

>

> Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or

> just free's?

> I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at

> 3 1/2 grains of

> Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4

> number seems

> really high for such a low dose of T4..I think high

> levels of

> estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound

> and would explain

> the loss of conversion..

>

> Some others probabley have more ideas but I am

> thinking either

> testing for hormone resistance in which case you may

> need to switch

> dominantly to T3..

> Sellium helps with conversion.. Glucose, sodium and

> a few others

> effect conversion as well as liver disease. And

> should be tested.

> Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely ,

> not sure about

> progesterone and androgen but I would get these

> levels checked..

>

> Kats3boys

> ( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an

> oops I am sorry,

> dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi E,

No I'm not taking birth control pills and never have!

But I do take 10mg DHEA (while monitoring it with

tests), and natural progesterone cream during the 2nd

half of my cycle to help with PMS ...

Marlena

--- E Gillespie wrote:

> This post reminds me of something.

>

> Are you taking any birth control pills or other sex

> hormones?

>

> ~E:)

> kats3boys wrote:

>

> > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent thyroid

> > results in but I'm not sure where to go from here.

> My

> > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more obsure

> test

> > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a 24

> hr

> > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the amount

> of

> > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway

> here

> > are my results:

> >

> > 11/2004 (before treatment):

> > T3 621 range 800-1800

> > T4 1698 range 1800-3000

> >

> > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to get

> the

> > results!)

> > T3 894 range 800-1800

> > T4 3124 range 1800-3000

> >

> I agree that you are not converting well..you need

> T3 but you also

> need your body to be able to use the T3..one idea is

> to not use SR T3

> and multidose during the day so your body gets a

> more even dose

> during the day until your body is able to tolerate

> larger amounts of

> T3.

>

> Another idea is as to why you are not converting?

> Adrenal support is

> good but some times it can through the balance

> off..if you support

> one it lowers the others..

>

> Few questions..how many times a day do you take your

> Armour and T3

> and do you do it sublingually?, empty stomach?

>

> How old are you? Are you menopausal or

> perimenopausal?

>

> Other than the ACTH test have you had other hormone

> tests done?

>

> I believe as a general rule you want to have your T4

> in the upper 2/3

> range so..near 2600.. and your T3 closer to the

> upper end of the

> range so 1600? These of course vary with how you

> feel?

>

> Does this test tell circulating T4 in the system or

> just free's?

> I think Armour is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 so at

> 3 1/2 grains of

> Armour you are only taking 133 mcg of T4 and your T4

> number seems

> really high for such a low dose of T4..I think high

> levels of

> estrogen in your body can cause the T4 to be bound

> and would explain

> the loss of conversion..

>

> Some others probabley have more ideas but I am

> thinking either

> testing for hormone resistance in which case you may

> need to switch

> dominantly to T3..

> Sellium helps with conversion.. Glucose, sodium and

> a few others

> effect conversion as well as liver disease. And

> should be tested.

> Estrogen levels effect hormone levels adversely ,

> not sure about

> progesterone and androgen but I would get these

> levels checked..

>

> Kats3boys

> ( I am tired and just got off work so if I made an

> oops I am sorry,

> dyed my hair blond so I would have an excuse..)

>

>

>

>

>