Re: Your a what? A Medic?

[Guest guest]

RIGHT ON!

In a message dated 9/15/2004 11:00:02 PM Central Daylight Time,

lanelson1@... writes:

-- " txbasic " wrote:

" I noticed that almost everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now

when I think of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an

EMT-P or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term should be used

only in referance to someone who is certified as a

Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? "

Here is my perspective. Don't we have ENOUGH stuff that we divide ourselves

with? As Pogo said " We have met the enemy, and he is us " .

We are our own worst enemies.

Who really gives a rat's tail what color the patch is, what magic tricks we

have in our bags, or what color the rig is we ride in.

People call MEDICS for three things. Show up, make me feel better, and be

nice doing it. Regardless of your level (perceived or real) that is what we do.

Some can do extra things that amaze and astound the crowd, occasionally

gaining polite golf course handclaps in the process. Most of the time, not.

'Medic' is the LAST syllable in a polysyllabic phrase that begins, with ALL

of us, 'Emergency Medical Technician'. I am proud to say that I have held

that title, in one form, state, or another, for 28 years.

And I have answered when people called me that, because I knew what they

needed, and I could provide it - care, concern and competence.

Isn't that what a medic should be?

[Guest guest]

-- " txbasic " wrote:

" I noticed that almost everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when

I think of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an EMT-P

or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term should be used only in

referance to someone who is certified as a

Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? "

Here is my perspective. Don't we have ENOUGH stuff that we divide ourselves

with? As Pogo said " We have met the enemy, and he is us " .

We are our own worst enemies.

Who really gives a rat's tail what color the patch is, what magic tricks we have

in our bags, or what color the rig is we ride in.

People call MEDICS for three things. Show up, make me feel better, and be nice

doing it. Regardless of your level (perceived or real) that is what we do. Some

can do extra things that amaze and astound the crowd, occasionally gaining

polite golf course handclaps in the process. Most of the time, not.

'Medic' is the LAST syllable in a polysyllabic phrase that begins, with ALL of

us, 'Emergency Medical Technician'. I am proud to say that I have held that

title, in one form, state, or another, for 28 years.

And I have answered when people called me that, because I knew what they needed,

and I could provide it - care, concern and competence.

Isn't that what a medic should be?

[Guest guest]

-- " txbasic " wrote:

" I noticed that almost everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when

I think of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an EMT-P

or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term should be used only in

referance to someone who is certified as a

Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? "

Here is my perspective. Don't we have ENOUGH stuff that we divide ourselves

with? As Pogo said " We have met the enemy, and he is us " .

We are our own worst enemies.

Who really gives a rat's tail what color the patch is, what magic tricks we have

in our bags, or what color the rig is we ride in.

People call MEDICS for three things. Show up, make me feel better, and be nice

doing it. Regardless of your level (perceived or real) that is what we do. Some

can do extra things that amaze and astound the crowd, occasionally gaining

polite golf course handclaps in the process. Most of the time, not.

'Medic' is the LAST syllable in a polysyllabic phrase that begins, with ALL of

us, 'Emergency Medical Technician'. I am proud to say that I have held that

title, in one form, state, or another, for 28 years.

And I have answered when people called me that, because I knew what they needed,

and I could provide it - care, concern and competence.

Isn't that what a medic should be?

[Guest guest]

-- " txbasic " wrote:

" I noticed that almost everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when

I think of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an EMT-P

or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term should be used only in

referance to someone who is certified as a

Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? "

Here is my perspective. Don't we have ENOUGH stuff that we divide ourselves

with? As Pogo said " We have met the enemy, and he is us " .

We are our own worst enemies.

Who really gives a rat's tail what color the patch is, what magic tricks we have

in our bags, or what color the rig is we ride in.

People call MEDICS for three things. Show up, make me feel better, and be nice

doing it. Regardless of your level (perceived or real) that is what we do. Some

can do extra things that amaze and astound the crowd, occasionally gaining

polite golf course handclaps in the process. Most of the time, not.

'Medic' is the LAST syllable in a polysyllabic phrase that begins, with ALL of

us, 'Emergency Medical Technician'. I am proud to say that I have held that

title, in one form, state, or another, for 28 years.

And I have answered when people called me that, because I knew what they needed,

and I could provide it - care, concern and competence.

Isn't that what a medic should be?

[Guest guest]

> 'Medic' is the LAST syllable in a polysyllabic phrase that begins,

> with ALL of us, 'Emergency Medical Technician'. I am proud to say

<HUMOUR>

All of us except Licensed Paramedics. ;-)

</HUMOUR>

-aro

[Guest guest]

-- " Barry E. McClung " wrote:

" Where I worked previously, one of the deputies (a decorated, retired

Marine), would call me " Doc " , which is an appellation for the U.S. Navy

Combat Corpsmen who provide battlefield medical care for our

Leathernecks....Coming from this particular individual, I took it as HIGH

praise. "

Absolutely!

If you can read this, thank a teacher

If you can comment freely on this, thank a soldier

Larry RN LP EMSI

[Guest guest]

-- " Barry E. McClung " wrote:

" Where I worked previously, one of the deputies (a decorated, retired

Marine), would call me " Doc " , which is an appellation for the U.S. Navy

Combat Corpsmen who provide battlefield medical care for our

Leathernecks....Coming from this particular individual, I took it as HIGH

praise. "

Absolutely!

If you can read this, thank a teacher

If you can comment freely on this, thank a soldier

Larry RN LP EMSI

[Guest guest]

-- " Barry E. McClung " wrote:

" Where I worked previously, one of the deputies (a decorated, retired

Marine), would call me " Doc " , which is an appellation for the U.S. Navy

Combat Corpsmen who provide battlefield medical care for our

Leathernecks....Coming from this particular individual, I took it as HIGH

praise. "

Absolutely!

If you can read this, thank a teacher

If you can comment freely on this, thank a soldier

Larry RN LP EMSI

[Guest guest]

" , " <jamesdav@b...> wrote:

>

> There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

> municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

> drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" , " <jamesdav@b...> wrote:

>

> There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

> municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

> drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" , " <jamesdav@b...> wrote:

>

> There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

> municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

> drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

As an old ( medic ) ems person I use to take offense to the term medic as I felt

it should imply a paramedic, but since I have realized the public and all

x-combat military personal refer to any one giving emergency care in the field

as a medic no matter what level of training as they go in the mud blood and

through hell to save there victims not matter what level they are trained at. I

to have been called Doc. by people who highly respected my abilities and my

personal goals in my work. I suggest take the term and just ride the flow and if

it is directed at you take it as a complement. ACL's 12 lead certified 36 years

experience and I am still an EMT I hope. My son is a 12 lead calls EMT-I and he

also is only an EMT because that is how we chose to identifier to people they

don't know the difference because we are those life saving medics that rescue

people and drive an ambulance .Retired EMPTY-C Rescue, Diver retired, Star

Sheriffs department team Retired, Fire Department deputy Chief Retired but still

a medic to some and doc to others hell I even still get called Chief from the

young firemen when they see me.

REMTP/C

(R= Retired C= Certified)

RE: Your a what? A Medic?

Just a thought...but the term " medic " may have gotten to be used to refer to

all medical folks after the military as in " I need a medic " .

[Guest guest]

As an old ( medic ) ems person I use to take offense to the term medic as I felt

it should imply a paramedic, but since I have realized the public and all

x-combat military personal refer to any one giving emergency care in the field

as a medic no matter what level of training as they go in the mud blood and

through hell to save there victims not matter what level they are trained at. I

to have been called Doc. by people who highly respected my abilities and my

personal goals in my work. I suggest take the term and just ride the flow and if

it is directed at you take it as a complement. ACL's 12 lead certified 36 years

experience and I am still an EMT I hope. My son is a 12 lead calls EMT-I and he

also is only an EMT because that is how we chose to identifier to people they

don't know the difference because we are those life saving medics that rescue

people and drive an ambulance .Retired EMPTY-C Rescue, Diver retired, Star

Sheriffs department team Retired, Fire Department deputy Chief Retired but still

a medic to some and doc to others hell I even still get called Chief from the

young firemen when they see me.

REMTP/C

(R= Retired C= Certified)

RE: Your a what? A Medic?

Just a thought...but the term " medic " may have gotten to be used to refer to

all medical folks after the military as in " I need a medic " .

[Guest guest]

As an old ( medic ) ems person I use to take offense to the term medic as I felt

it should imply a paramedic, but since I have realized the public and all

x-combat military personal refer to any one giving emergency care in the field

as a medic no matter what level of training as they go in the mud blood and

through hell to save there victims not matter what level they are trained at. I

to have been called Doc. by people who highly respected my abilities and my

personal goals in my work. I suggest take the term and just ride the flow and if

it is directed at you take it as a complement. ACL's 12 lead certified 36 years

experience and I am still an EMT I hope. My son is a 12 lead calls EMT-I and he

also is only an EMT because that is how we chose to identifier to people they

don't know the difference because we are those life saving medics that rescue

people and drive an ambulance .Retired EMPTY-C Rescue, Diver retired, Star

Sheriffs department team Retired, Fire Department deputy Chief Retired but still

a medic to some and doc to others hell I even still get called Chief from the

young firemen when they see me.

REMTP/C

(R= Retired C= Certified)

RE: Your a what? A Medic?

Just a thought...but the term " medic " may have gotten to be used to refer to

all medical folks after the military as in " I need a medic " .

[Guest guest]

Howdy txbasic. If you do decide to come to school here you might as

well get used to that " Howdy " thing. Normally I just read this list

and don't contribute too much but this calls for a response. To give

you a little background on me, all total including my days as a

volunteer I have been involved in emergency services for over 24

years now. That is probably longer that you have been alive. The

last 18 have been at Texas A & M University. During that time I have

had the privilege to meet a lot of folks that were either on the Care

Team, TAMUEMS, Rec. Sports Medics or any combination of the three

services. All though there have always been differences of opinions

and politics and little in fights that always happen. It has been

the most rewarding experience for me to watch these folks grow to the

heights that they do. BTW be careful about disrespecting any of

these groups on this list serve. Many of these former members are

out there in important positions. It's likely you may have one as

your boss if not your big boss some day. On that note you were very

smart not to include your real name in your post. I will give you

that. As far as only referring to a person that provides pre-

hospital care as a " medic " if they are a Paramedic. OK… I'm

listening. What would you suggest we call all the other hard working

folks in this endeavor? This person has a small laceration on his

hand can I get a _____ over here to help him? Maybe we can call

them " not so much a medic? I am thinking it will be hard to fit

that on a badge or shirt or patch. As far as the MCI video you

watched goes. Yup they were not that good at it although I am glad

you complemented the person that produced the video. He is a very

cool guy and does good work and I would give him the shirt off my

back if he needed it. The mock itself was a learning experience.

The people conducting it did everything they could to produce a scene

of stress, disorganization and disarray. The people that were being

the providers were being asked to perform way above their training

and experience level. Don't get too concerned here the patients were

not really hurt and they got free food afterwards. That is why it is

called a mock. By the way the member I referred to above also

produces the excellent web page you were looking at. If you do go

back and check it out you will have to admit he does a good job. As

far as TAMECT, TAMUEMS, and yes REC sports medics along with a lot of

other folks goes I am convinced that they can handle a real MCI very

well. I know this. I was standing at the site of a major one at its

onset and there for the grace of god I was just a witness and

provider instead of a patient or one of the 12 really decent

students, friends, and family that lost there lives that morning.

Good luck in your future plans but you should be very careful about

criticizing something when your only research is based on some very

broad assumptions you have made after looking at a web page for a

short time.

Park " Sparky " Knight

[Guest guest]

Howdy txbasic. If you do decide to come to school here you might as

well get used to that " Howdy " thing. Normally I just read this list

and don't contribute too much but this calls for a response. To give

you a little background on me, all total including my days as a

volunteer I have been involved in emergency services for over 24

years now. That is probably longer that you have been alive. The

last 18 have been at Texas A & M University. During that time I have

had the privilege to meet a lot of folks that were either on the Care

Team, TAMUEMS, Rec. Sports Medics or any combination of the three

services. All though there have always been differences of opinions

and politics and little in fights that always happen. It has been

the most rewarding experience for me to watch these folks grow to the

heights that they do. BTW be careful about disrespecting any of

these groups on this list serve. Many of these former members are

out there in important positions. It's likely you may have one as

your boss if not your big boss some day. On that note you were very

smart not to include your real name in your post. I will give you

that. As far as only referring to a person that provides pre-

hospital care as a " medic " if they are a Paramedic. OK… I'm

listening. What would you suggest we call all the other hard working

folks in this endeavor? This person has a small laceration on his

hand can I get a _____ over here to help him? Maybe we can call

them " not so much a medic? I am thinking it will be hard to fit

that on a badge or shirt or patch. As far as the MCI video you

watched goes. Yup they were not that good at it although I am glad

you complemented the person that produced the video. He is a very

cool guy and does good work and I would give him the shirt off my

back if he needed it. The mock itself was a learning experience.

The people conducting it did everything they could to produce a scene

of stress, disorganization and disarray. The people that were being

the providers were being asked to perform way above their training

and experience level. Don't get too concerned here the patients were

not really hurt and they got free food afterwards. That is why it is

called a mock. By the way the member I referred to above also

produces the excellent web page you were looking at. If you do go

back and check it out you will have to admit he does a good job. As

far as TAMECT, TAMUEMS, and yes REC sports medics along with a lot of

other folks goes I am convinced that they can handle a real MCI very

well. I know this. I was standing at the site of a major one at its

onset and there for the grace of god I was just a witness and

provider instead of a patient or one of the 12 really decent

students, friends, and family that lost there lives that morning.

Good luck in your future plans but you should be very careful about

criticizing something when your only research is based on some very

broad assumptions you have made after looking at a web page for a

short time.

Park " Sparky " Knight

[Guest guest]

Howdy txbasic. If you do decide to come to school here you might as

well get used to that " Howdy " thing. Normally I just read this list

and don't contribute too much but this calls for a response. To give

you a little background on me, all total including my days as a

volunteer I have been involved in emergency services for over 24

years now. That is probably longer that you have been alive. The

last 18 have been at Texas A & M University. During that time I have

had the privilege to meet a lot of folks that were either on the Care

Team, TAMUEMS, Rec. Sports Medics or any combination of the three

services. All though there have always been differences of opinions

and politics and little in fights that always happen. It has been

the most rewarding experience for me to watch these folks grow to the

heights that they do. BTW be careful about disrespecting any of

these groups on this list serve. Many of these former members are

out there in important positions. It's likely you may have one as

your boss if not your big boss some day. On that note you were very

smart not to include your real name in your post. I will give you

that. As far as only referring to a person that provides pre-

hospital care as a " medic " if they are a Paramedic. OK… I'm

listening. What would you suggest we call all the other hard working

folks in this endeavor? This person has a small laceration on his

hand can I get a _____ over here to help him? Maybe we can call

them " not so much a medic? I am thinking it will be hard to fit

that on a badge or shirt or patch. As far as the MCI video you

watched goes. Yup they were not that good at it although I am glad

you complemented the person that produced the video. He is a very

cool guy and does good work and I would give him the shirt off my

back if he needed it. The mock itself was a learning experience.

The people conducting it did everything they could to produce a scene

of stress, disorganization and disarray. The people that were being

the providers were being asked to perform way above their training

and experience level. Don't get too concerned here the patients were

not really hurt and they got free food afterwards. That is why it is

called a mock. By the way the member I referred to above also

produces the excellent web page you were looking at. If you do go

back and check it out you will have to admit he does a good job. As

far as TAMECT, TAMUEMS, and yes REC sports medics along with a lot of

other folks goes I am convinced that they can handle a real MCI very

well. I know this. I was standing at the site of a major one at its

onset and there for the grace of god I was just a witness and

provider instead of a patient or one of the 12 really decent

students, friends, and family that lost there lives that morning.

Good luck in your future plans but you should be very careful about

criticizing something when your only research is based on some very

broad assumptions you have made after looking at a web page for a

short time.

Park " Sparky " Knight

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Park Knight,

I have carefully read your response and I must admit it is amusing.

I was by no means trying to get a " Rise " out of you or anyone else

involved with Texas A & M EMS. This entire ordeal as stemed from the

fact that I know of a volunteer EMS that is always refering to one

another as medics. Call me inmature, juvenile, uneducated, or just

plan dumb... but I (Along with some of my co-workers) find their

antics quite humerous from time to time, as I'm sure they find ours

just the same. As far as your experience in EMS, well I'm happy for

you. I'm sure that you should probly take up stock in TDSHS, since

you've probly more than paid your dues. And in regards to the

website, like I said before this question did not come from your

website, I merley used Texas A & M as an example. I do respect you and

your orginization and I wish you the best. Have a good day.

-Txbasic

> See below original message.

>

>

> Re: Your a what? A Medic?

>

>

> Howdy txbasic. If you do decide to come to school here you might

as

> well get used to that " Howdy " thing. Normally I just read this

list

> and don't contribute too much but this calls for a response. To

give

> you a little background on me, all total including my days as a

> volunteer I have been involved in emergency services for over 24

> years now. That is probably longer that you have been alive. The

> last 18 have been at Texas A & M University. During that time I

have

> had the privilege to meet a lot of folks that were either on the

Care

> Team, TAMUEMS, Rec. Sports Medics or any combination of the three

> services. All though there have always been differences of

opinions

> and politics and little in fights that always happen. It has been

> the most rewarding experience for me to watch these folks grow to

the

> heights that they do. BTW be careful about disrespecting any of

> these groups on this list serve. Many of these former members are

> out there in important positions. It's likely you may have one as

> your boss if not your big boss some day. On that note you were

very

> smart not to include your real name in your post. I will give you

> that. As far as only referring to a person that provides pre-

> hospital care as a " medic " if they are a Paramedic. OK... I'm

> listening. What would you suggest we call all the other hard

working

> folks in this endeavor? This person has a small laceration on his

> hand can I get a _____ over here to help him? Maybe we can call

> them " not so much a medic? I am thinking it will be hard to fit

> that on a badge or shirt or patch. As far as the MCI video you

> watched goes. Yup they were not that good at it although I am glad

> you complemented the person that produced the video. He is a very

> cool guy and does good work and I would give him the shirt off my

> back if he needed it. The mock itself was a learning experience.

> The people conducting it did everything they could to produce a

scene

> of stress, disorganization and disarray. The people that were

being

> the providers were being asked to perform way above their training

> and experience level. Don't get too concerned here the patients

were

> not really hurt and they got free food afterwards. That is why it

is

> called a mock. By the way the member I referred to above also

> produces the excellent web page you were looking at. If you do go

> back and check it out you will have to admit he does a good job.

As

> far as TAMECT, TAMUEMS, and yes REC sports medics along with a lot

of

> other folks goes I am convinced that they can handle a real MCI

very

> well. I know this. I was standing at the site of a major one at

its

> onset and there for the grace of god I was just a witness and

> provider instead of a patient or one of the 12 really decent

> students, friends, and family that lost there lives that morning.

> Good luck in your future plans but you should be very careful about

> criticizing something when your only research is based on some very

> broad assumptions you have made after looking at a web page for a

> short time.

>

> Park " Sparky " Knight

> ------------------------------------------------------

> Wow-

>

> Your left-handed " howdy " sure did make a nice introduction to what

was

> otherwise a very condescending and threatening post. Txbasic did

nothing

> other than to ask a thoughtful question and offer some well-

meaning comments

> regarding what he saw on a web page. I am somewhat miffed that

you would

> construe that as an attack, but some people just feel like they

need to

> malign the comments of others for reasons that I don't quite

understand.

>

> I am really glad that you have been involved with emergency

services for

> such a long time, but if you were trying to assert that this fact

somehow

> makes you superior to another person, you have fallen victim to

some

> seriously flawed logic. Just because you have done something for

a long

> time certainly does NOT mean that you are good at doing it. The

great

> thing about this list is that most people try to judge a person's

thoughts

> and ideas on their merits rather than trying to shoot them down

due to

> personal insecurities. The fact of the matter is, if you resort

to using

> the " length of time served " card as a means of criticizing someone

else's

> point of view, you probably don't have anything worthwhile to add

to the

> discussion anyway. As for the litany of thinly veiled threats

purported to

> be friendly advice, I think they demonstrate all the maturity of a

twelve

> year old. If you really believe that " important people " will

overreact to

> such benign discussion in the way that you have, my name is

Lancaster

> and my EMS ID# is 150536. Feel free to pass that along.

> Txbasic- Some words of encouragement... Don't let other people

dissuade

> you from continuing your activity in the discussions on this

list. I used

> to be deferential to more experienced persons to the point that I

just kept

> my mouth shut. Now I am appropriately deferential so as not to be

arrogant,

> but I am more confident in my ability to engage in discussion and,

when

> appropriate, openly disagree with people who have been doing this

a hell of

> a lot longer than I have.

> On another note...

> Gene and EMSAT proponents- You know, when you're right, you're

right

> (thanks Grote). I am with you 100%. I honestly regret that

I have

> been unable to send in my membership dues (even though the price

is very

> reasonable), but as a struggling student who is pursuing other

educational

> objectives, I am simply unable to do so at this time. It had been

on my

> list of things to do, but I just returned to work after six weeks

with no

> pay due to a broken wrist, and unfortunately, it has gotten bumped

back

> again. I did fire off a couple of letters to Sens. Hutchison and

Cornyn

> regarding S. 2351, so I hope that will help in spite of the fact

that I am

> not a member.

> I understand that some people are reluctant to join. Hell, I

don't agree

> with all of EMSAT's positions (National Scope of Practice position

for

> example), but the great thing is that if you are a member, you

have a voice

> to be a part of the decision-making process. The good far

outweighs the

> bad.

> So keep up the good work and thanks for the leadership.

> -