Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 >TK--- for what purpose ? Thank you have given me much information to ponder. I'm not really sure for what purpose TK, and Couldn't really get absolute indications from Andy's book. I guess my rationale behind the question was partly about maintenance programs after mercury is all out. Do we do a round one a month or something like that? If some of us have a tendency to retain mercury I'm wondering what sort of maintenance routine is advisable since metals are so abundant in our environment these days. Life after chelation with DMSA and ALA so to speak. I'm thinking ahead and have a long way to go still, but wondered nonetheless. I was so surprised that I still have mercury causing me problems 8 years post-removal, I've concluded that I hold onto mercury and other metal 'too well' and don't excrete them. I'd wondered whether EDTA had any role in post-mercury chelation. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 > Lead is stored in bones and turns over about every 7 >years or so, so about 7 years of slow chelation would be indicated for >lead. Hi , What does it mean when it 'turns over about every 7 years or so'? Thanks for the interesting response. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 > Lead is stored in bones and turns over about every 7 >years or so, so about 7 years of slow chelation would be indicated for >lead. Hi , What does it mean when it 'turns over about every 7 years or so'? Thanks for the interesting response. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 > Lead is stored in bones and turns over about every 7 >years or so, so about 7 years of slow chelation would be indicated for >lead. Hi , What does it mean when it 'turns over about every 7 years or so'? Thanks for the interesting response. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > The only thing I am aware of that EDTA is known to be useful for is > removing calcified plaques from arteries. > If I had a seriously > blocked artery I would consider it for that purpose. IMR - And for this reason I finally bit the bullet and began using and oral EDTA product, carefully weighing out the other factors which are being discussed here > I don't know how effective oral EDTA would be for that purpose, as > compared to IV. IMR - In general, from what I understand, many to most are not supposed to be all that effective. However, I talked with the developer of the product I have been using before starting on it, and he explained to me (without divulging too much proprietary knowledge) how this special kind of formulation of EDTA and taking it orally was much, much more effective than the IV's that cost so much. And boy was he right! I have had many EDTA IV's in the past, before I found out that it was contraindicated. The ones I had years back, I did okay on, but the ones I had after my crash a few years ago, sent me into horrific attacks, that would last until I was able to sleep it off. They were practically unbearable. Naturally, I was more than hesitant about taking this stuff, but I felt I had little choice: try it and see, or expire soon for sure, due to a heart that was getting progressively worse and worse, despite the recommended supplements. I believe I had no adverse reactions, and the benefits were astounding from the second day on. It has started giving me life back....and very quickly. Now, I have been chelating with DMSA, and some ALA for quite some time now, and so I felt that that might minimize the risks. I also did a good round of DMSA alone just before starting on the regimen. > > Boyd Haley did some research and found that the EDTA/mercury complex > is more toxic than mercury alone (100 x more, if my memory is > correct). IMR - For how long? Forever, as long as it is in your body, or just when the EDTA is freely circulating? Any ideas on that? > What I have noticed is that mercury poisoned people who use EDTA do > report reactions that > are consistant with Haley's findings. IMR - I did too, but not with this particular formulation and this type of EDTA. (EDTA comes in many forms) > After amalgam removal I had an EDTA IV (I thought I was getting a > Myer's cocktail) and it sure felt > like I was about 100x more toxic. I had an emotional meltdown > immediately after the IV. Later I had a horrible headache, that > tylenol 3s (that's with codeine) didn't even take the edge off. I'm a > person who usually never gets headaches. > > I suspect that the astounding results that people report may have > something to do with cleaning out blocked arteries. IMR - As above, the stuff I have been taking has been phenomenal for this, whereas IV's did little, but make me sick. Just sharing my experience, Inga > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > The only thing I am aware of that EDTA is known to be useful for is > removing calcified plaques from arteries. > If I had a seriously > blocked artery I would consider it for that purpose. IMR - And for this reason I finally bit the bullet and began using and oral EDTA product, carefully weighing out the other factors which are being discussed here > I don't know how effective oral EDTA would be for that purpose, as > compared to IV. IMR - In general, from what I understand, many to most are not supposed to be all that effective. However, I talked with the developer of the product I have been using before starting on it, and he explained to me (without divulging too much proprietary knowledge) how this special kind of formulation of EDTA and taking it orally was much, much more effective than the IV's that cost so much. And boy was he right! I have had many EDTA IV's in the past, before I found out that it was contraindicated. The ones I had years back, I did okay on, but the ones I had after my crash a few years ago, sent me into horrific attacks, that would last until I was able to sleep it off. They were practically unbearable. Naturally, I was more than hesitant about taking this stuff, but I felt I had little choice: try it and see, or expire soon for sure, due to a heart that was getting progressively worse and worse, despite the recommended supplements. I believe I had no adverse reactions, and the benefits were astounding from the second day on. It has started giving me life back....and very quickly. Now, I have been chelating with DMSA, and some ALA for quite some time now, and so I felt that that might minimize the risks. I also did a good round of DMSA alone just before starting on the regimen. > > Boyd Haley did some research and found that the EDTA/mercury complex > is more toxic than mercury alone (100 x more, if my memory is > correct). IMR - For how long? Forever, as long as it is in your body, or just when the EDTA is freely circulating? Any ideas on that? > What I have noticed is that mercury poisoned people who use EDTA do > report reactions that > are consistant with Haley's findings. IMR - I did too, but not with this particular formulation and this type of EDTA. (EDTA comes in many forms) > After amalgam removal I had an EDTA IV (I thought I was getting a > Myer's cocktail) and it sure felt > like I was about 100x more toxic. I had an emotional meltdown > immediately after the IV. Later I had a horrible headache, that > tylenol 3s (that's with codeine) didn't even take the edge off. I'm a > person who usually never gets headaches. > > I suspect that the astounding results that people report may have > something to do with cleaning out blocked arteries. IMR - As above, the stuff I have been taking has been phenomenal for this, whereas IV's did little, but make me sick. Just sharing my experience, Inga > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > The only thing I am aware of that EDTA is known to be useful for is > removing calcified plaques from arteries. > If I had a seriously > blocked artery I would consider it for that purpose. IMR - And for this reason I finally bit the bullet and began using and oral EDTA product, carefully weighing out the other factors which are being discussed here > I don't know how effective oral EDTA would be for that purpose, as > compared to IV. IMR - In general, from what I understand, many to most are not supposed to be all that effective. However, I talked with the developer of the product I have been using before starting on it, and he explained to me (without divulging too much proprietary knowledge) how this special kind of formulation of EDTA and taking it orally was much, much more effective than the IV's that cost so much. And boy was he right! I have had many EDTA IV's in the past, before I found out that it was contraindicated. The ones I had years back, I did okay on, but the ones I had after my crash a few years ago, sent me into horrific attacks, that would last until I was able to sleep it off. They were practically unbearable. Naturally, I was more than hesitant about taking this stuff, but I felt I had little choice: try it and see, or expire soon for sure, due to a heart that was getting progressively worse and worse, despite the recommended supplements. I believe I had no adverse reactions, and the benefits were astounding from the second day on. It has started giving me life back....and very quickly. Now, I have been chelating with DMSA, and some ALA for quite some time now, and so I felt that that might minimize the risks. I also did a good round of DMSA alone just before starting on the regimen. > > Boyd Haley did some research and found that the EDTA/mercury complex > is more toxic than mercury alone (100 x more, if my memory is > correct). IMR - For how long? Forever, as long as it is in your body, or just when the EDTA is freely circulating? Any ideas on that? > What I have noticed is that mercury poisoned people who use EDTA do > report reactions that > are consistant with Haley's findings. IMR - I did too, but not with this particular formulation and this type of EDTA. (EDTA comes in many forms) > After amalgam removal I had an EDTA IV (I thought I was getting a > Myer's cocktail) and it sure felt > like I was about 100x more toxic. I had an emotional meltdown > immediately after the IV. Later I had a horrible headache, that > tylenol 3s (that's with codeine) didn't even take the edge off. I'm a > person who usually never gets headaches. > > I suspect that the astounding results that people report may have > something to do with cleaning out blocked arteries. IMR - As above, the stuff I have been taking has been phenomenal for this, whereas IV's did little, but make me sick. Just sharing my experience, Inga > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 If my memory serves me correct, Huggins used to give people EDTA-IV's years ago, before he switched to low-dose, every-other-day DMSA. This was probably back in the 90's, but that would be a group of people to study, or would have been. I know he talks about switching from EDTA to DMSA in one of his books. Jackie T. (Yes it's me, I'm still alive, even though the medical community is trying their best to do me in! I'll try to write an update, if anyone is interested, and I'll try to be active here again too, I miss all you guys!) Re: Oral EDTA > > Boyd Haley did some research and found that the EDTA/mercury complex > > is more toxic than mercury alone (100 x more, if my memory is > > correct). > > IMR - For how long? Forever, as long as it is in your body, or just > when the EDTA is freely circulating? Any ideas on that? > I read about it in an old DAMS publication a long time ago. I don't remember the details, but I think he was probably testing in vitro (maybe with cell cultures?), not in vivo. I doubt that anyone has followed what happens with EDTA and mercury inside real people. It wouldn't be that easy to study. We do know that EDTA doesn't remove mercury from people, but what happens when they contact each other is a mystery. At least you have done quite a bit of chelation. Hopefully your mercury body burden is down somewhat. > > > What I have noticed is that mercury poisoned people who use EDTA do > > report reactions that > > are consistant with Haley's findings. > > IMR - I did too, but not with this particular formulation and this type > of EDTA. (EDTA comes in many forms) > and you have been chelating the mercury out.... When I had the EDTA IV right after amalgam removal it had to be about the worst time. And, there's an enormous difference between getting a ton of EDTA directly into the bloodstream compared to small doses every 8 h orally. The same doc that gave me the EDTA IV convinced me to try oral EDTA. The nausea was horrible at doses way, way less than what he told me to take. That was all happening about the same time as I was wondering who in the heck Andy Cutler was anyway, and was starting to read his words. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 If my memory serves me correct, Huggins used to give people EDTA-IV's years ago, before he switched to low-dose, every-other-day DMSA. This was probably back in the 90's, but that would be a group of people to study, or would have been. I know he talks about switching from EDTA to DMSA in one of his books. Jackie T. (Yes it's me, I'm still alive, even though the medical community is trying their best to do me in! I'll try to write an update, if anyone is interested, and I'll try to be active here again too, I miss all you guys!) Re: Oral EDTA > > Boyd Haley did some research and found that the EDTA/mercury complex > > is more toxic than mercury alone (100 x more, if my memory is > > correct). > > IMR - For how long? Forever, as long as it is in your body, or just > when the EDTA is freely circulating? Any ideas on that? > I read about it in an old DAMS publication a long time ago. I don't remember the details, but I think he was probably testing in vitro (maybe with cell cultures?), not in vivo. I doubt that anyone has followed what happens with EDTA and mercury inside real people. It wouldn't be that easy to study. We do know that EDTA doesn't remove mercury from people, but what happens when they contact each other is a mystery. At least you have done quite a bit of chelation. Hopefully your mercury body burden is down somewhat. > > > What I have noticed is that mercury poisoned people who use EDTA do > > report reactions that > > are consistant with Haley's findings. > > IMR - I did too, but not with this particular formulation and this type > of EDTA. (EDTA comes in many forms) > and you have been chelating the mercury out.... When I had the EDTA IV right after amalgam removal it had to be about the worst time. And, there's an enormous difference between getting a ton of EDTA directly into the bloodstream compared to small doses every 8 h orally. The same doc that gave me the EDTA IV convinced me to try oral EDTA. The nausea was horrible at doses way, way less than what he told me to take. That was all happening about the same time as I was wondering who in the heck Andy Cutler was anyway, and was starting to read his words. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 If my memory serves me correct, Huggins used to give people EDTA-IV's years ago, before he switched to low-dose, every-other-day DMSA. This was probably back in the 90's, but that would be a group of people to study, or would have been. I know he talks about switching from EDTA to DMSA in one of his books. Jackie T. (Yes it's me, I'm still alive, even though the medical community is trying their best to do me in! I'll try to write an update, if anyone is interested, and I'll try to be active here again too, I miss all you guys!) Re: Oral EDTA > > Boyd Haley did some research and found that the EDTA/mercury complex > > is more toxic than mercury alone (100 x more, if my memory is > > correct). > > IMR - For how long? Forever, as long as it is in your body, or just > when the EDTA is freely circulating? Any ideas on that? > I read about it in an old DAMS publication a long time ago. I don't remember the details, but I think he was probably testing in vitro (maybe with cell cultures?), not in vivo. I doubt that anyone has followed what happens with EDTA and mercury inside real people. It wouldn't be that easy to study. We do know that EDTA doesn't remove mercury from people, but what happens when they contact each other is a mystery. At least you have done quite a bit of chelation. Hopefully your mercury body burden is down somewhat. > > > What I have noticed is that mercury poisoned people who use EDTA do > > report reactions that > > are consistant with Haley's findings. > > IMR - I did too, but not with this particular formulation and this type > of EDTA. (EDTA comes in many forms) > and you have been chelating the mercury out.... When I had the EDTA IV right after amalgam removal it had to be about the worst time. And, there's an enormous difference between getting a ton of EDTA directly into the bloodstream compared to small doses every 8 h orally. The same doc that gave me the EDTA IV convinced me to try oral EDTA. The nausea was horrible at doses way, way less than what he told me to take. That was all happening about the same time as I was wondering who in the heck Andy Cutler was anyway, and was starting to read his words. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 > When I had the EDTA IV right after amalgam removal it had to be about > the worst time. Oddly enough, when I had my removal, (15 years ago) I also got 18 EDTA IV's right afterwards, and did fine on them....in fact, I began to be able to walk with a little spring in my step again. However, I now figure that was more because of the plaque removal and the amalgam removal and not what the EDTA did as far as removing mercury. Hard to say for sure. I know better now, but one can not turn back the clock. > > And, there's an enormous difference between getting a ton of EDTA > directly into the bloodstream compared to small doses every 8 h > orally. Yes, he says the Caysine ( synthetic amino acid - EDTA) works a lot better on the plaque than does IV EDTA. You are supposed to take it on an empty stomach and sip it very slowly. I stretch it out through out most of the day, and then eat in the evening, when I take it. Oh.....well.......you can drink juice, so that is what keeps me going, and then allows me to spread the formulation out throughout the day. > > The same doc that gave me the EDTA IV convinced me to try oral EDTA. > The nausea was horrible at doses way, way less than what he told me to > take. That was all happening about the same time as I was wondering > who in the heck Andy Cutler was anyway, and was starting to read his > words. Good thing you find him, eh? ....he is a lifesaver for those of us who've " got it bad " . I think a lot of may have found him on a last ditch effort. Those who find him at square one are fortunate indeed. ~Inga > > J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 where do you purchase the caysine from? Re: Re: Oral EDTA > When I had the EDTA IV right after amalgam removal it had to be about > the worst time. Oddly enough, when I had my removal, (15 years ago) I also got 18 EDTA IV's right afterwards, and did fine on them....in fact, I began to be able to walk with a little spring in my step again. However, I now figure that was more because of the plaque removal and the amalgam removal and not what the EDTA did as far as removing mercury. Hard to say for sure. I know better now, but one can not turn back the clock. > > And, there's an enormous difference between getting a ton of EDTA > directly into the bloodstream compared to small doses every 8 h > orally. Yes, he says the Caysine ( synthetic amino acid - EDTA) works a lot better on the plaque than does IV EDTA. You are supposed to take it on an empty stomach and sip it very slowly. I stretch it out through out most of the day, and then eat in the evening, when I take it. Oh.....well.......you can drink juice, so that is what keeps me going, and then allows me to spread the formulation out throughout the day. > > The same doc that gave me the EDTA IV convinced me to try oral EDTA. > The nausea was horrible at doses way, way less than what he told me to > take. That was all happening about the same time as I was wondering > who in the heck Andy Cutler was anyway, and was starting to read his > words. Good thing you find him, eh? ....he is a lifesaver for those of us who've " got it bad " . I think a lot of may have found him on a last ditch effort. Those who find him at square one are fortunate indeed. ~Inga > > J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Sorry it took me so long to get back with you. The stuff you want is Angioprim. It is the only one that has the Caysine. The others don't really work. Before taking Angioprim, I had gotten so bad that I could hardly get around anymore when I had to go back to 6000 feet in the Eastern Sierras where I used to live just a couple of years ago. Down at 2000 feet, it wasn't much better either. Despite chelating, and making good strides in that area, I was thinking that I was probably in the final stretch of my life here, as I began having difficulty even with little things, like walking a couple of hundred feet to get to a phone booth. The first two days I took Angioprim, I accidently took a double dose, (oops....felt a little woozy the first day) but boy was I surprised when I got up on the moring of the third day, and suddenly felt like I was going to live again. I am not going to try and tell you that I got anywhere near completely healed in that short a time, but just a couple of days ago, I had tried to walk down the few short feet to the lake, and it was very hard getting back up...mind you, I am talking about just a couple of feet. Well, on the third day, I was able to go down and walk around the lake, take my shoes of and walk in the sand and then come back up with out several stops, feeling like I was going to die. You can imagine my shock when I got some sore muscles for the first time in over three years from being forced to be so sedentary. There is NOTHING that medical doctors have in their bag of expensive tricks that will help. Nothing, besides some drugs to stave off the end for a little while, and surgeries that don't much work...I watched my mom go like this...drugged, with no quality of life, taking precisely what they prescribed her, and bravely, she died anyway. Angioprim WORKS! If only I had known about it a few years ago, my mother would probably still be with me. I encourage you to get some now and start undoing the harmful process going on. If you are already having some problems, taking Angioprim is likely the most critically crucial thing you can do to reverse the damage....your life will depend on it. Angioprim: http://www.angioprim.com For ordering, my number is: #: 24496 Let me know how you are doing, will you? Inga ---------- > where do you purchase the caysine from? > Re: Re: Oral EDTA > > > > > When I had the EDTA IV right after amalgam removal it had to be > about > > the worst time. > > Oddly enough, when I had my removal, (15 years ago) I also got 18 EDTA > IV's right afterwards, and did fine on them....in fact, I began to be > able to walk with a little spring in my step again. However, I now > figure that was more because of the plaque removal and the amalgam > removal and not what the EDTA did as far as removing mercury. > Hard to say for sure. I know better now, but one can not turn back the > clock. > > > > And, there's an enormous difference between getting a ton of EDTA > > directly into the bloodstream compared to small doses every 8 h > > orally. > > Yes, he says the Caysine ( synthetic amino acid - EDTA) works a lot > better on the plaque than does IV EDTA. You are supposed to take it on > an empty stomach and sip it very slowly. I stretch it out through out > most of the day, and then eat in the evening, when I take it. > Oh.....well.......you can drink juice, so that is what keeps me going, > and then allows me to spread the formulation out throughout the day. > > > > The same doc that gave me the EDTA IV convinced me to try oral EDTA. > > The nausea was horrible at doses way, way less than what he told me > to > > take. That was all happening about the same time as I was wondering > > who in the heck Andy Cutler was anyway, and was starting to read his > > words. > > Good thing you find him, eh? ....he is a lifesaver for those of us > who've " got it bad " . I think a lot of may have found him on a last > ditch effort. Those who find him at square one are fortunate indeed. > > ~Inga > > > > > J > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Sorry it took me so long to get back with you. The stuff you want is Angioprim. It is the only one that has the Caysine. The others don't really work. Before taking Angioprim, I had gotten so bad that I could hardly get around anymore when I had to go back to 6000 feet in the Eastern Sierras where I used to live just a couple of years ago. Down at 2000 feet, it wasn't much better either. Despite chelating, and making good strides in that area, I was thinking that I was probably in the final stretch of my life here, as I began having difficulty even with little things, like walking a couple of hundred feet to get to a phone booth. The first two days I took Angioprim, I accidently took a double dose, (oops....felt a little woozy the first day) but boy was I surprised when I got up on the moring of the third day, and suddenly felt like I was going to live again. I am not going to try and tell you that I got anywhere near completely healed in that short a time, but just a couple of days ago, I had tried to walk down the few short feet to the lake, and it was very hard getting back up...mind you, I am talking about just a couple of feet. Well, on the third day, I was able to go down and walk around the lake, take my shoes of and walk in the sand and then come back up with out several stops, feeling like I was going to die. You can imagine my shock when I got some sore muscles for the first time in over three years from being forced to be so sedentary. There is NOTHING that medical doctors have in their bag of expensive tricks that will help. Nothing, besides some drugs to stave off the end for a little while, and surgeries that don't much work...I watched my mom go like this...drugged, with no quality of life, taking precisely what they prescribed her, and bravely, she died anyway. Angioprim WORKS! If only I had known about it a few years ago, my mother would probably still be with me. I encourage you to get some now and start undoing the harmful process going on. If you are already having some problems, taking Angioprim is likely the most critically crucial thing you can do to reverse the damage....your life will depend on it. Angioprim: http://www.angioprim.com For ordering, my number is: #: 24496 Let me know how you are doing, will you? Inga ---------- > where do you purchase the caysine from? > Re: Re: Oral EDTA > > > > > When I had the EDTA IV right after amalgam removal it had to be > about > > the worst time. > > Oddly enough, when I had my removal, (15 years ago) I also got 18 EDTA > IV's right afterwards, and did fine on them....in fact, I began to be > able to walk with a little spring in my step again. However, I now > figure that was more because of the plaque removal and the amalgam > removal and not what the EDTA did as far as removing mercury. > Hard to say for sure. I know better now, but one can not turn back the > clock. > > > > And, there's an enormous difference between getting a ton of EDTA > > directly into the bloodstream compared to small doses every 8 h > > orally. > > Yes, he says the Caysine ( synthetic amino acid - EDTA) works a lot > better on the plaque than does IV EDTA. You are supposed to take it on > an empty stomach and sip it very slowly. I stretch it out through out > most of the day, and then eat in the evening, when I take it. > Oh.....well.......you can drink juice, so that is what keeps me going, > and then allows me to spread the formulation out throughout the day. > > > > The same doc that gave me the EDTA IV convinced me to try oral EDTA. > > The nausea was horrible at doses way, way less than what he told me > to > > take. That was all happening about the same time as I was wondering > > who in the heck Andy Cutler was anyway, and was starting to read his > > words. > > Good thing you find him, eh? ....he is a lifesaver for those of us > who've " got it bad " . I think a lot of may have found him on a last > ditch effort. Those who find him at square one are fortunate indeed. > > ~Inga > > > > > J > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.