Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > > If I had only known! I finally got Cortef, and have been taking only 5 > mg/day for 3 days -- and I feel so much better I can't believe it. I > even look different (face much more relaxed, tummy bloat going away). Great. At this stage I can't imagine life without it. > I tried getting Jeffries' book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " but my > library doesn't have it and it's $157 at amazon. Yikes! The publisher sells it for less: http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > > If I had only known! I finally got Cortef, and have been taking only 5 > mg/day for 3 days -- and I feel so much better I can't believe it. If you feel that much better with 5 mg you will likely be able to get away with a really low dose. Teitelbaum says to use the dose that feels the best, not more than 20 mg per day. Some people use 5, 10, or 15 mg/day and feel great. The good news is that your adrenals aren't anywhere near as far gone as mine..... 5 mg wouldn't even get my eyes to open..... I > even look different (face much more relaxed, tummy bloat going away). > > Thank you and others here for the info and support. I'm going to > call the doc this week and ask for more frequent dosing -- I can > definitely feel it wear off. > The schedule my specialist started me on was 7, 10 am, and 1, 4 pm doses. That seems to work the best for me. I find it real easy to break the 10 mg tabs in quarters for 2.5 mg doses. Jefferies seems to prefer to tell his patients to take one dose with each meal (and also one at bedtime only for the people who are so far gone that they can't make it through the night - and even I'm not that far gone yet). The problem with taking a dose with every meal is that some people can't get to sleep if they take a dose beyond 4 pm, so it would be best to keep the last dose about 4 pm. > I tried getting Jeffries' book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " but my > library doesn't have it and it's $157 at amazon. Yikes! > The medical library (at the University) has it here. I have 3 people in the house who can fetch it for me. I have to send it back soon..... J > Nell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > > If I had only known! I finally got Cortef, and have been taking only 5 > mg/day for 3 days -- and I feel so much better I can't believe it. If you feel that much better with 5 mg you will likely be able to get away with a really low dose. Teitelbaum says to use the dose that feels the best, not more than 20 mg per day. Some people use 5, 10, or 15 mg/day and feel great. The good news is that your adrenals aren't anywhere near as far gone as mine..... 5 mg wouldn't even get my eyes to open..... I > even look different (face much more relaxed, tummy bloat going away). > > Thank you and others here for the info and support. I'm going to > call the doc this week and ask for more frequent dosing -- I can > definitely feel it wear off. > The schedule my specialist started me on was 7, 10 am, and 1, 4 pm doses. That seems to work the best for me. I find it real easy to break the 10 mg tabs in quarters for 2.5 mg doses. Jefferies seems to prefer to tell his patients to take one dose with each meal (and also one at bedtime only for the people who are so far gone that they can't make it through the night - and even I'm not that far gone yet). The problem with taking a dose with every meal is that some people can't get to sleep if they take a dose beyond 4 pm, so it would be best to keep the last dose about 4 pm. > I tried getting Jeffries' book, " The Safe Uses of Cortisol " but my > library doesn't have it and it's $157 at amazon. Yikes! > The medical library (at the University) has it here. I have 3 people in the house who can fetch it for me. I have to send it back soon..... J > Nell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 > The good news is that your adrenals aren't anywhere near as far gone > as mine..... 5 mg wouldn't even get my eyes to open..... > I think mine have been much worse and better since I was poisoned. I don't know if chelation was finally doing enough to get them better or what, but I was doing well last spring until a yoga class where I stayed way too long in a pose that pressures the liver to release toxins (found that out later). I felt ill after that and never got back to the good place. One thing that's now obvious to me: if I had a doctor looking out for me who knew what s/he was doing, I wouldn't have wasted all those months and months feeing like crap, being a marginal mother and getting nothing done. I've been able to tinker with supps pretty well and chelate on my own, but except for an experiment with adrenal cortex extract that didn't work, I kept putting off dealing with adrenals. Do people do a combination of Cortef and Isocort, and ACE, or do people generally stick with one thing? Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 > I'm a big yoga fan too. I'm just wondering what pose you did that puts > pressure on the liver to release toxins? I know for me that yoga can > be very powerful too - sometimes too powerful. Yes, I have to be really careful not to overdo because it feels so good during. The pose that got me into trouble was a supported backbend, where you sit backwards in a metal folding chair, push your feet against the wall, hold on to the legs of the chair, and bend your head back towards the floor. If that makes any sense. So your middle body is bending strongly backwards, and a lot of pressure is on the liver. It made me feel instantly sick -- dizzy, nauseated, and anxious -- and I should have immediately sat up and not continued. But I kept trying to work through it. Dumb. But other than that I really think yoga has done so much to help my health, in all ways. Glad you're doing it too. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 > I'm a big yoga fan too. I'm just wondering what pose you did that puts > pressure on the liver to release toxins? I know for me that yoga can > be very powerful too - sometimes too powerful. Yes, I have to be really careful not to overdo because it feels so good during. The pose that got me into trouble was a supported backbend, where you sit backwards in a metal folding chair, push your feet against the wall, hold on to the legs of the chair, and bend your head back towards the floor. If that makes any sense. So your middle body is bending strongly backwards, and a lot of pressure is on the liver. It made me feel instantly sick -- dizzy, nauseated, and anxious -- and I should have immediately sat up and not continued. But I kept trying to work through it. Dumb. But other than that I really think yoga has done so much to help my health, in all ways. Glad you're doing it too. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 > I'm a big yoga fan too. I'm just wondering what pose you did that puts > pressure on the liver to release toxins? I know for me that yoga can > be very powerful too - sometimes too powerful. Yes, I have to be really careful not to overdo because it feels so good during. The pose that got me into trouble was a supported backbend, where you sit backwards in a metal folding chair, push your feet against the wall, hold on to the legs of the chair, and bend your head back towards the floor. If that makes any sense. So your middle body is bending strongly backwards, and a lot of pressure is on the liver. It made me feel instantly sick -- dizzy, nauseated, and anxious -- and I should have immediately sat up and not continued. But I kept trying to work through it. Dumb. But other than that I really think yoga has done so much to help my health, in all ways. Glad you're doing it too. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 > > One thing that's now obvious to me: if I had a doctor looking out for > me who knew what s/he was doing, I wouldn't have wasted all those > months and months feeing like crap, being a marginal mother and > getting nothing done. I was in excruciating pain for my younger child's entire lifetime (he's 15 now). It was years and years of feeling like crap. Finding a doctor that knew what to do to treat me was a windfall - if I hadn't stumbled upon him I would have spent the rest of my life in pain. It is really unfortunate (for people like me) that the safe use of cortisol is so poorly understood. I've been able to tinker with supps pretty well > and chelate on my own, but except for an experiment with adrenal > cortex extract that didn't work, I kept putting off dealing with adrenals. > > Do people do a combination of Cortef and Isocort, and ACE, or do > people generally stick with one thing? > If a person has Cortef, I don't see a need for Isocort too (and I haven't heard of anyone combining them). I have heard Andy suggest combining adrenal cortex extract with cortef. I tried it once and it seemed to make my adrenaline surges worse, but I really should try it again. It is expensive and difficult to get where I live (and not covered by insurance, my cortef is covered). J > Nell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 > > One thing that's now obvious to me: if I had a doctor looking out for > me who knew what s/he was doing, I wouldn't have wasted all those > months and months feeing like crap, being a marginal mother and > getting nothing done. I was in excruciating pain for my younger child's entire lifetime (he's 15 now). It was years and years of feeling like crap. Finding a doctor that knew what to do to treat me was a windfall - if I hadn't stumbled upon him I would have spent the rest of my life in pain. It is really unfortunate (for people like me) that the safe use of cortisol is so poorly understood. I've been able to tinker with supps pretty well > and chelate on my own, but except for an experiment with adrenal > cortex extract that didn't work, I kept putting off dealing with adrenals. > > Do people do a combination of Cortef and Isocort, and ACE, or do > people generally stick with one thing? > If a person has Cortef, I don't see a need for Isocort too (and I haven't heard of anyone combining them). I have heard Andy suggest combining adrenal cortex extract with cortef. I tried it once and it seemed to make my adrenaline surges worse, but I really should try it again. It is expensive and difficult to get where I live (and not covered by insurance, my cortef is covered). J > Nell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I have been combining them for about a year for my own convenience. I take h/c (cortef) with breakfast & evening meal and isocort (once or twice) between these times. I do it this way because I have to take cortef with food (some people can I believe manage it without but it gives me bad stomach pains if I try), but I can take isocort sublingually & so can take it without having to eat at the same time. I have to pay for them both - I live in the UK. I did at one time try adrenal cortex capsules as well but noticed no difference at all when I stoped them. I think as long as we stay within the max normal 20mg h/c it does not matter how we mix these things. Val If a person has Cortef, I don't see a need for Isocort too (and I haven't heard of anyone combining them). I have heard Andy suggest combining adrenal cortex extract with cortef. I tried it once and it seemed to make my adrenaline surges worse, but I really should try it again. It is expensive and difficult to get where I live (and not covered by insurance, my cortef is covered). J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 >I keep telling my kids I wish they could know the " me " that I was before I got sick. I was doing the same thing . I was just realizing that during our vacation to the beach last summer I never once even got in the ocean. Too stressful! And I was really in denial about how I was doing. >I too tried adrenal cortex extract, and it didn't work for me, made me feel funny. I'm trying something called Adrenergize now, and it seems OK (the other ACE I tried made me really anxious). > But Isocort made me feel better right away. So Isocort is worth a try for those who can't get a doctor to prescribe HC or Cortef. I'm so glad you found something. Now I understand how critically important it is to treat adrenals. I feel like I've come alive. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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