Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 > > http://www.MindFreedom.org/mindfreedom/ioc/ > > Tommy Psychiatry's Greatest Hits (Vol VIII): http://www.trufax.org/reports/lapon.html 1938. Ugo Cerletti became the first to use electroshock (ECT-electro- convulsive treatments) on a human being. It was done in fascist Italy. Carletti got the idea from watching hogs get shocked into unconsciousness before they were killed at a slaughterhouse. The first victim was a 39-year old engineer who had been arrested at a railroad station for meandering about without a ticket on trains ready for departures. After the first shock of 80 volts, which failed to produce a convulsion, and before the second one, of 110 volts, which did the " Patient " cried out, " O not another one it's deadly " Present at this first administration of electroshock was Lothar S. Kalinowsky who today is a member of the American Psychiatric Association and has been one of the most avid proponents and users of this torture in the United States. Kalinowsky has authored several books and hundreds of articles on electroshock. - 1916. Madison Grant published The Passing Of the Great Race, or the Racial Basis of European History, in New York, in which he stated: Mistaken regard for what are believed to be divine laws and a sentimental belief in the sanctity of human life tend to prevent both the elimination of defective infants and the sterilization of such adults as are themselves of no value to a community. The laws of nature require the obliteration of the unfit and human life is valuable only when of use to the community or race. - 1912. The first international Congress of Eugenics was held at the University of London. The president of the Congress was Major Leonard Darwin son of Darwin. One of the English vice- presidents was First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, later Prime Minister. German vice-presidents included M. von Gruber, professor of hygiene at Munich and Dr. Alfred Ploetz president of the International Society for Race Hygiene. American vice-presidents included W. Eliot, president emeritus of Harvard University and Graham Bell. - 1920. Alfred Mocha, professor of psychiatry and director of the psychiatric clinic in Freiburg, and Karl Binding, a German judge published The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value in Leipzig. His work advocated the killing of people labelled " mentally ill " and " mentally defective " and used the euphemism " euthanasia " . Some quotes from this book are: - Dr. E. Lind, a psychiatrist at St. s hospital in Washington, published his racist view of low " Psychology of the African " in the Psychoanalytic Review: The precocity of the children, the early onset of puberty, the failure to grasp subjective ideas , the strong sexual and herd instincts with the few inhibitions, the simple dream life, the easy reversion to savagery when deprived of the restraining influence of the whites (as in Haiti and Uberial), the tendency to seek expression in such rhythmic means as music and dancing, the low resistance to such toxins as syphlilis and alchohol, the sway of superstition, all these and many other things betray the savage heart beneath the civilized exterior - 1922. H H Laughlin, the Expert Eugenics Agent of the United States House of Representatives Committee on immigration and Naturalization published the Model Eugenical Sterilization Law. This model formed a basis for any state sterilisation laws and for Nazi Germany's 1933 law. Laughlin listed the categories of people who were to be subjected to mandatory Sterilization: The socially inadequate classes, regardless of etiology or prognosis... are the following: Feeble-minded; insane (including the psychopathic); Criminalistic (including the delinquent and wayward); Epileptic; Inebriate (including drug-habitues); Diseased (including the tuberculous, the syphilitic, the leprous, and others with chronic, infectious, and legally segregable diseases); Blind (including those with seriously impaired vision); Deformed (including the crippled). and Dependent (including orphans, naer-do-wells, the homeless, tramps and paupers.) -- 1925. Adolf Hitler published Mein Kampf to the glee of the eugenicists. Hitler's book included the following statements: -- 1927. Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the United States Supreme Court's decision in Buck v. Bell. Buck was Buck, a 11-year old girl committed to the State Colony for Epileptics and Feeble-Minded in Virginia, where Bell was the superintendent. 's mother was also an inmate at the same institution. had recently given birth to a child and the state of Virginia wanted to have her sterilized against her will. Associate Justice Holmes wrote The judgment finds the facts that have been recited and that Buck is the probably potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, and she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization, and thereupon makes the order... We have seen more then once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for those lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned. in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world. If instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from brooding their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.... Three generations of imbeciles are enough. -- 1930. Ernst Rudin professor of psychiatry at Munich and director of the Department of Heredity at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute visited the United States and was praised by leaders of the Carnegie Foundation. Rudin, later architect of Nail Germany's sterilisation law was financially supported in his work by a large grant from the Rockefeller Foundation. -- Between 1931 and 1939, 375,000 forced sterilisations were performed under this act. Accordlng to Wallace R. Duell, a German correspondent for the Chicago Daily News, the official rationales were as follows - Congenital feeble- mindedness 203,250 Schizophrenia 73,125 Epilepsy 57,730 Acute alcoholism 28.500 Manic-depressive insanity 6,000 Hereditary deafness 2,575 Severe hereditary physical- deformity 1,875 Hereditary blindness 1,125 St. Vitus' dance 750 TOTAL 375.000 According to the Central Association of Sterilized Persons organized in Germany in 1945, the total number of people sterilized under Hitler's Third Reich (1913-1945) was two million. N.H. Laughlin received an honorary degree from Germany's Heidelberg University, a major Nazi research centre on " race purification' for his contributions to eugenics. 1934. Psychiatry professor Ernst Rudin wrote that it was thanks to Hitler that the dream we have cherished for more than thirty years of seeing racial hygiene converted into action has become reality. 1935. Egos Moniz performed the first lobotomy in Portugal. Four years later he was shot and partially paralyzed by a victim of one of his lobotomies, and in 1955 he was beaten to death by another of his " patients " who obviously didn't want his " help " . The Nazis instituted the Law for the Protection of the Genetic Health of the German People, which required couples to have a medical examination before marriage. It forbade marriage if one person was considered genetically defective. It also did not allow marriage between Jews and Aryans and was later extended to include Gypsies, slaves and other people deemed inferior. -- There's much more here: http://www.trufax.org/reports/lapon.html J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 > 1935. Egos Moniz performed the first lobotomy in Portugal. Four years > later he was shot and partially paralyzed by a victim of one of his > lobotomies, and in 1955 he was beaten to death by another of > his " patients " who obviously didn't want his " help " . Jim, I did not know about the attacks on Moniz. The following comes from the Appendix of Szasz's " Manufacture of Madness " : " 1955. Egas Moniz is awarded the Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for the treatment of schizophrenia by prefrontal lobotomy. " Hopefully, one day people will look back on forced drugging and other assorted works of torture on today's " mentally ill " with the same horror we see these acts. I read somewhere, perhaps the Reason interview, that Szasz is now working on a book on the history of the misdeeds of psychiatry. Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 > 1935. Egos Moniz performed the first lobotomy in Portugal. Four years > later he was shot and partially paralyzed by a victim of one of his > lobotomies, and in 1955 he was beaten to death by another of > his " patients " who obviously didn't want his " help " . Jim, I did not know about the attacks on Moniz. The following comes from the Appendix of Szasz's " Manufacture of Madness " : " 1955. Egas Moniz is awarded the Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for the treatment of schizophrenia by prefrontal lobotomy. " Hopefully, one day people will look back on forced drugging and other assorted works of torture on today's " mentally ill " with the same horror we see these acts. I read somewhere, perhaps the Reason interview, that Szasz is now working on a book on the history of the misdeeds of psychiatry. Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 > > > 1935. Egos Moniz performed the first lobotomy in Portugal. Four > years > > later he was shot and partially paralyzed by a victim of one of his > > lobotomies, and in 1955 he was beaten to death by another of > > his " patients " who obviously didn't want his " help " . > > > Jim, > > I did not know about the attacks on Moniz. The following comes from > the Appendix of Szasz's " Manufacture of Madness " : > > " 1955. Egas Moniz is awarded the Nobel Prize for Physiology or > Medicine for the treatment of schizophrenia by prefrontal lobotomy. " > > > Hopefully, one day people will look back on forced drugging and other > assorted works of torture on today's " mentally ill " with the same > horror we see these acts. I read somewhere, perhaps the Reason > interview, that Szasz is now working on a book on the history of the > misdeeds of psychiatry. > > Tommy Hey Tommy, The site came up on a search. I can't vouch for it's accuracy although some examples jived with my knowlege from known sources. This is my favorite (I love his bedside manner;-) : 1948. Walter Freemen, who performed more them 3500 lobotomies, demonstrated his icepick technique at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. Dorian, then a student nurse, described the procedure which was done in front of lights and cameras in an amphitheater full of doctors from throughout the state: As each patient was brought in, Dr. Freenman would shout at him that this was going to do something that would make him feel a lot better. The patients had been given electroshock just before they were brought in: that's probably why he yelled at them. The shock was the only medication they received. He gave nothing for the pain, no anaesthesia, no muscle relaxant. After the patient was placed on the table, Dr. Freeman would clap his hands and his two assistants would hold up an enormous piece of green felt the color of a pool table. That was the photographic backdrop. Dr. Freemen would direct the placement of lights so that each operation could be photographed, and he checked carefully to be sure that the cameraman was ready that he had a good shot showing Dr. Freemen with his instrument, that there was no shadow to spoil the picture. His main interest during the entire series of lobotomies seemed to be on getting good photographic angles. He had each operation photographed with the ice-pick in place. When all was ready, he would plunge it in. I suppose that was part of his surgical technique, if there is a technique for such surgery. You probably have to plunge it in to break through the back of the eye socket. He lifted up the eyelid and slid the ice-pick-like instrument over the eyeball. Then he would stab it in suddenly, check to be sure the pictures were being made, and move the pick from side to side to cut the brain. Freeman called lobotomy a mercy killing of the psyche. According to Scheflin and Opton in their book The Mind Manipulators, 100,000 people received psychosurgical operations in one ten-year period, 1946-1955, half of them in the U.S. -- J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 > > > 1935. Egos Moniz performed the first lobotomy in Portugal. Four > years > > later he was shot and partially paralyzed by a victim of one of his > > lobotomies, and in 1955 he was beaten to death by another of > > his " patients " who obviously didn't want his " help " . > > > Jim, > > I did not know about the attacks on Moniz. The following comes from > the Appendix of Szasz's " Manufacture of Madness " : > > " 1955. Egas Moniz is awarded the Nobel Prize for Physiology or > Medicine for the treatment of schizophrenia by prefrontal lobotomy. " > > > Hopefully, one day people will look back on forced drugging and other > assorted works of torture on today's " mentally ill " with the same > horror we see these acts. I read somewhere, perhaps the Reason > interview, that Szasz is now working on a book on the history of the > misdeeds of psychiatry. > > Tommy Hey Tommy, The site came up on a search. I can't vouch for it's accuracy although some examples jived with my knowlege from known sources. This is my favorite (I love his bedside manner;-) : 1948. Walter Freemen, who performed more them 3500 lobotomies, demonstrated his icepick technique at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. Dorian, then a student nurse, described the procedure which was done in front of lights and cameras in an amphitheater full of doctors from throughout the state: As each patient was brought in, Dr. Freenman would shout at him that this was going to do something that would make him feel a lot better. The patients had been given electroshock just before they were brought in: that's probably why he yelled at them. The shock was the only medication they received. He gave nothing for the pain, no anaesthesia, no muscle relaxant. After the patient was placed on the table, Dr. Freeman would clap his hands and his two assistants would hold up an enormous piece of green felt the color of a pool table. That was the photographic backdrop. Dr. Freemen would direct the placement of lights so that each operation could be photographed, and he checked carefully to be sure that the cameraman was ready that he had a good shot showing Dr. Freemen with his instrument, that there was no shadow to spoil the picture. His main interest during the entire series of lobotomies seemed to be on getting good photographic angles. He had each operation photographed with the ice-pick in place. When all was ready, he would plunge it in. I suppose that was part of his surgical technique, if there is a technique for such surgery. You probably have to plunge it in to break through the back of the eye socket. He lifted up the eyelid and slid the ice-pick-like instrument over the eyeball. Then he would stab it in suddenly, check to be sure the pictures were being made, and move the pick from side to side to cut the brain. Freeman called lobotomy a mercy killing of the psyche. According to Scheflin and Opton in their book The Mind Manipulators, 100,000 people received psychosurgical operations in one ten-year period, 1946-1955, half of them in the U.S. -- J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 > > > 1935. Egos Moniz performed the first lobotomy in Portugal. Four > years > > later he was shot and partially paralyzed by a victim of one of his > > lobotomies, and in 1955 he was beaten to death by another of > > his " patients " who obviously didn't want his " help " . > > > Jim, > > I did not know about the attacks on Moniz. The following comes from > the Appendix of Szasz's " Manufacture of Madness " : > > " 1955. Egas Moniz is awarded the Nobel Prize for Physiology or > Medicine for the treatment of schizophrenia by prefrontal lobotomy. " > > > Hopefully, one day people will look back on forced drugging and other > assorted works of torture on today's " mentally ill " with the same > horror we see these acts. I read somewhere, perhaps the Reason > interview, that Szasz is now working on a book on the history of the > misdeeds of psychiatry. > > Tommy Hey Tommy, The site came up on a search. I can't vouch for it's accuracy although some examples jived with my knowlege from known sources. This is my favorite (I love his bedside manner;-) : 1948. Walter Freemen, who performed more them 3500 lobotomies, demonstrated his icepick technique at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. Dorian, then a student nurse, described the procedure which was done in front of lights and cameras in an amphitheater full of doctors from throughout the state: As each patient was brought in, Dr. Freenman would shout at him that this was going to do something that would make him feel a lot better. The patients had been given electroshock just before they were brought in: that's probably why he yelled at them. The shock was the only medication they received. He gave nothing for the pain, no anaesthesia, no muscle relaxant. After the patient was placed on the table, Dr. Freeman would clap his hands and his two assistants would hold up an enormous piece of green felt the color of a pool table. That was the photographic backdrop. Dr. Freemen would direct the placement of lights so that each operation could be photographed, and he checked carefully to be sure that the cameraman was ready that he had a good shot showing Dr. Freemen with his instrument, that there was no shadow to spoil the picture. His main interest during the entire series of lobotomies seemed to be on getting good photographic angles. He had each operation photographed with the ice-pick in place. When all was ready, he would plunge it in. I suppose that was part of his surgical technique, if there is a technique for such surgery. You probably have to plunge it in to break through the back of the eye socket. He lifted up the eyelid and slid the ice-pick-like instrument over the eyeball. Then he would stab it in suddenly, check to be sure the pictures were being made, and move the pick from side to side to cut the brain. Freeman called lobotomy a mercy killing of the psyche. According to Scheflin and Opton in their book The Mind Manipulators, 100,000 people received psychosurgical operations in one ten-year period, 1946-1955, half of them in the U.S. -- J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 This site puts the Moniz Nobel prize at 1949. Not sure who is correct. http://www.epub.org.br/cm/n02/historia/lobotomy.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 This site puts the Moniz Nobel prize at 1949. Not sure who is correct. http://www.epub.org.br/cm/n02/historia/lobotomy.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 > This site puts the Moniz Nobel prize at 1949. Not sure who is > correct. http://www.epub.org.br/cm/n02/historia/lobotomy.htm This site also verifies him being shot (understandably) by a patient. It may be a typo. Regards, J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 The site came up on a search. I can't vouch for it's accuracy although some examples jived with my knowlege from known sources. -- Tommy, " jived " is unclear. I meant that I had read about some of this before and it appeared to be accurate. What shocked me was the extent to which " Nazi " ideology was actually mainstream " scientific " thought preached by psychiatry and other pseudosciences in the US, Britian and elsewhere. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 >It's too rainy to build cement ponds on the Outer Banks today so I'm >enjoying a catch-up day on the net. Here is something I promised Miss >Texas Tax-us a while back. > >http://www.MindFreedom.org/mindfreedom/ioc/ I went to this site. A lot of hystrionics, a few facts, no science. No discussion of why these people are being medicated--are they deemed to be a threat to themselves or others? Hey, if they don't like taking their medications on the outside, they can go back into an institution--just like if you don't want a court to order you into treatment, you have an option--serve out your jail sentence. The above site had no real discussion of mental illness or how to help mentally ill people live in society. There was no discussion or recognition of the problems of mentally ill people who refuse to take their meds. In short, it was a lot of hystrionics, and I wasn't impressed. Dixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 >It's too rainy to build cement ponds on the Outer Banks today so I'm >enjoying a catch-up day on the net. Here is something I promised Miss >Texas Tax-us a while back. > >http://www.MindFreedom.org/mindfreedom/ioc/ I went to this site. A lot of hystrionics, a few facts, no science. No discussion of why these people are being medicated--are they deemed to be a threat to themselves or others? Hey, if they don't like taking their medications on the outside, they can go back into an institution--just like if you don't want a court to order you into treatment, you have an option--serve out your jail sentence. The above site had no real discussion of mental illness or how to help mentally ill people live in society. There was no discussion or recognition of the problems of mentally ill people who refuse to take their meds. In short, it was a lot of hystrionics, and I wasn't impressed. Dixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Hey, look, everyone! Dixie isn't impressed! dixie@... wrote: > I wasn't impressed. Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. *plonk* Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Hey, look, everyone! Dixie isn't impressed! dixie@... wrote: > I wasn't impressed. Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. *plonk* Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Hey, look, everyone! Dixie isn't impressed! dixie@... wrote: > I wasn't impressed. Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. *plonk* Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > > Psychiatry's Greatest Hits (Vol VIII): > Jim, here are two more: " 1885. Hysteria is treated by means of the surgical removal of the ovary in Paris; by means of the surgical removal of the clitoris in London and Vienna; and by means of cauterization of the clitoris in Heidelberg. " Don't feel left out dudes, here is one for you. As has been previously pointed out on this list, for many, many years psychiatry believed masturbation to be THE cause of " mental illness. " " 1890. Hutchinson, president of the Royal College of Surgeons, treats masturbation by means of circumcision and advocates that 'measures more radical than circumcision would, if public opinion permitted their adoption, be a true kindness to many patients of both sexes.' " Some of you might remember where I live, in that little beach town with the looney name. Well my neighborhood is loaded with masterbaiters. If you click on the link below you might be able to see some of them in action, but it's a rainy winter day so maybe not. But you never know, since masterbaiting causes lunacy. Perhaps that explains why these loonies would even do such a thing, not only in public, but in front of a live cam for the whole world to see. I'm convinced that there is a genetic component to masterbaiting; it certainly runs in families around. In fact there is one family in the neighborhood with four living generations of masterbaiters. I mean these four, all the way from the seven year old up to great grand dad are true masters at what they do. http://avalonpier.com/javacam.html Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > > Psychiatry's Greatest Hits (Vol VIII): > Jim, here are two more: " 1885. Hysteria is treated by means of the surgical removal of the ovary in Paris; by means of the surgical removal of the clitoris in London and Vienna; and by means of cauterization of the clitoris in Heidelberg. " Don't feel left out dudes, here is one for you. As has been previously pointed out on this list, for many, many years psychiatry believed masturbation to be THE cause of " mental illness. " " 1890. Hutchinson, president of the Royal College of Surgeons, treats masturbation by means of circumcision and advocates that 'measures more radical than circumcision would, if public opinion permitted their adoption, be a true kindness to many patients of both sexes.' " Some of you might remember where I live, in that little beach town with the looney name. Well my neighborhood is loaded with masterbaiters. If you click on the link below you might be able to see some of them in action, but it's a rainy winter day so maybe not. But you never know, since masterbaiting causes lunacy. Perhaps that explains why these loonies would even do such a thing, not only in public, but in front of a live cam for the whole world to see. I'm convinced that there is a genetic component to masterbaiting; it certainly runs in families around. In fact there is one family in the neighborhood with four living generations of masterbaiters. I mean these four, all the way from the seven year old up to great grand dad are true masters at what they do. http://avalonpier.com/javacam.html Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > > Psychiatry's Greatest Hits (Vol VIII): > Jim, here are two more: " 1885. Hysteria is treated by means of the surgical removal of the ovary in Paris; by means of the surgical removal of the clitoris in London and Vienna; and by means of cauterization of the clitoris in Heidelberg. " Don't feel left out dudes, here is one for you. As has been previously pointed out on this list, for many, many years psychiatry believed masturbation to be THE cause of " mental illness. " " 1890. Hutchinson, president of the Royal College of Surgeons, treats masturbation by means of circumcision and advocates that 'measures more radical than circumcision would, if public opinion permitted their adoption, be a true kindness to many patients of both sexes.' " Some of you might remember where I live, in that little beach town with the looney name. Well my neighborhood is loaded with masterbaiters. If you click on the link below you might be able to see some of them in action, but it's a rainy winter day so maybe not. But you never know, since masterbaiting causes lunacy. Perhaps that explains why these loonies would even do such a thing, not only in public, but in front of a live cam for the whole world to see. I'm convinced that there is a genetic component to masterbaiting; it certainly runs in families around. In fact there is one family in the neighborhood with four living generations of masterbaiters. I mean these four, all the way from the seven year old up to great grand dad are true masters at what they do. http://avalonpier.com/javacam.html Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > > > > > Psychiatry's Greatest Hits (Vol VIII): > > > > Jim, here are two more: > > " 1885. Hysteria is treated by means of the surgical removal of the > ovary in Paris; by means of the surgical removal of the clitoris in > London and Vienna; and by means of cauterization of the clitoris in > Heidelberg. " > > Don't feel left out dudes, here is one for you. As has been > previously pointed out on this list, for many, many years psychiatry > believed masturbation to be THE cause of " mental illness. " > > " 1890. Hutchinson, president of the Royal College of > Surgeons, treats masturbation by means of circumcision and advocates > that 'measures more radical than circumcision would, if public opinion > permitted their adoption, be a true kindness to many patients of both > sexes.' " > > Some of you might remember where I live, in that little beach town > with the looney name. Well my neighborhood is loaded with > masterbaiters. If you click on the link below you might be able to > see some of them in action, but it's a rainy winter day so maybe not. > But you never know, since masterbaiting causes lunacy. Perhaps that > explains why these loonies would even do such a thing, not only in > public, but in front of a live cam for the whole world to see. I'm > convinced that there is a genetic component to masterbaiting; it > certainly runs in families around. In fact there is one family in the > neighborhood with four living generations of masterbaiters. I mean > these four, all the way from the seven year old up to great grand dad > are true masters at what they do. > > http://avalonpier.com/javacam.html > > Tommy You're a SICK MAN, Mr. Perkins! <Vbg> I once explored the Outer Banks for several days on a motorcycle. Fantastic place (I hope development hasn't ruined it yet). After the Rocky Mountains, this would be my second choice for a great place to live. (oops... shhhhhhh!) Jim :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > > I wasn't impressed. > > Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. > > *plonk* > > Dan Four of us now. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;-' ___ '-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;-' `'-.`'-. '-;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;' ) `\ ';;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;' / \ ^V^ ';;;;;;;; ;;;;;;; __/________\__ ;;;;;;; ;;;;;; ^V^ '--/}}}}}} " }}--' ;;;;;; ;;;;; {{{{{{ aa\__ ;;;;; ;;;;; }}}}} ,___ __} ;;;;; ;;;;; {{{{{\ \_// ;;;;; ;;;;; }}}}//'--u ;;;;; ;;;;; _ .--'`U\ ;;;;; ;;;;; ::::| \ ( _,\\\ ;;;;; ;;;;;; ::::| |===\ \\=\))=======D ;;;;;; ;;;;;;; ::::|_/ `> \\ ;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;. /__// .;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;. Y\_\\_ .;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;-._ _.-;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;jgs;;;;;;-. .-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > > I wasn't impressed. > > Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. > > *plonk* > > Dan Four of us now. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;-' ___ '-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;-' `'-.`'-. '-;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;' ) `\ ';;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;' / \ ^V^ ';;;;;;;; ;;;;;;; __/________\__ ;;;;;;; ;;;;;; ^V^ '--/}}}}}} " }}--' ;;;;;; ;;;;; {{{{{{ aa\__ ;;;;; ;;;;; }}}}} ,___ __} ;;;;; ;;;;; {{{{{\ \_// ;;;;; ;;;;; }}}}//'--u ;;;;; ;;;;; _ .--'`U\ ;;;;; ;;;;; ::::| \ ( _,\\\ ;;;;; ;;;;;; ::::| |===\ \\=\))=======D ;;;;;; ;;;;;;; ::::|_/ `> \\ ;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;. /__// .;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;. Y\_\\_ .;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;-._ _.-;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;jgs;;;;;;-. .-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > >> > I wasn't impressed. >> >> Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. >> >> *plonk* Shrug. Okay, so you rave hysterically with no real evidence or facts, just hysteria and lots of hand waving, no substantative argument. Okay, if that's the way you want to do things, fine. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > >> > I wasn't impressed. >> >> Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. >> >> *plonk* Shrug. Okay, so you rave hysterically with no real evidence or facts, just hysteria and lots of hand waving, no substantative argument. Okay, if that's the way you want to do things, fine. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 > >> > I wasn't impressed. >> >> Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. >> >> *plonk* Shrug. Okay, so you rave hysterically with no real evidence or facts, just hysteria and lots of hand waving, no substantative argument. Okay, if that's the way you want to do things, fine. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 dixie@... wrote: > > > > >> > I wasn't impressed. > >> > >> Dixie, your bridge called. All is forgiven. > >> > >> *plonk* > > Shrug. Okay, so you rave hysterically with no real evidence or facts, just > hysteria and lots of hand waving, no substantative argument. Okay, if > that's the way you want to do things, fine. Just don't expect to be taken > seriously by anyone. > Dixie, If anyone is guilty of raving hysterically with no real evidence or facts, it is you. How can you expect anyone to take _you_ seriously on a list where people are concerned with things like character, integrity, civil liberties and restrictions on state power when your very best arguments are totally devoid of a knowledge of _any_ of those matters? Do you think calling someone who disagrees with you " mentally ill " makes your weak arguments any stronger? In other posts, you take a stand in favor of coerced treatment. I'm curious how many list members think your opinions and beliefs are a sign of your mental illness. Perhaps we should get together and have you committed, forced to take drugs, or use some other technique to get you to express socially acceptable values? Surely, you have committed some sort of crime or breach of social ettiquette that would qualify under your value system as expressed here that you lose your right to freedom of conscience, freedom of thought and freedom of expression, all that burdensome nonsense that we have inherited in our Western traditions. Ken Ragge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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