Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Hi , IMHO, NO, DO NOT start the adrenal supplements until you get your body leveled out. For me, while I was climbing in dosages I would get the shakes, shivers, rapid heart beat...this would last from a few hours to a few days... It was my body adjusting to the new level of hormones it was getting... For a few of us, this is normal. For others they get a smoother ride to better health. If I were in your shoes, I would get onto the 1 grain of Armour and ride out the week/weeks of the body adjusting to the slightly higher levels... dropping the dosage down to 3/4 of a grain has only confused your poor body and possibly delayed your continued path to better health. Like your tests are telling you, Your body is screaming at you for more replacement hormone... Gossimer > If I have the doc test my adrenals what tests should he run. By the > way, I have a bottle of Adrenal-Cortex Complex in the kitchen cabinet. > Maybe I will start taking that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Hi , IMHO, NO, DO NOT start the adrenal supplements until you get your body leveled out. For me, while I was climbing in dosages I would get the shakes, shivers, rapid heart beat...this would last from a few hours to a few days... It was my body adjusting to the new level of hormones it was getting... For a few of us, this is normal. For others they get a smoother ride to better health. If I were in your shoes, I would get onto the 1 grain of Armour and ride out the week/weeks of the body adjusting to the slightly higher levels... dropping the dosage down to 3/4 of a grain has only confused your poor body and possibly delayed your continued path to better health. Like your tests are telling you, Your body is screaming at you for more replacement hormone... Gossimer > If I have the doc test my adrenals what tests should he run. By the > way, I have a bottle of Adrenal-Cortex Complex in the kitchen cabinet. > Maybe I will start taking that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 By my possible experience, don't take any adrenal until you have tested for this, period. Topper has been quite fortunate here, but that doesn't mean that everyone will be able to do this without having, yes, numbers, to go by. , I thought that you said that you had had this tested for back last yr sometime??? and had a HIGH cortisol??? Adrenal > If I have the doc test my adrenals what tests should he run. By the > way, I have a bottle of Adrenal-Cortex Complex in the kitchen cabinet. > Maybe I will start taking that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 By my possible experience, don't take any adrenal until you have tested for this, period. Topper has been quite fortunate here, but that doesn't mean that everyone will be able to do this without having, yes, numbers, to go by. , I thought that you said that you had had this tested for back last yr sometime??? and had a HIGH cortisol??? Adrenal > If I have the doc test my adrenals what tests should he run. By the > way, I have a bottle of Adrenal-Cortex Complex in the kitchen cabinet. > Maybe I will start taking that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 The trouble with experimentation, when it hasn't been proved by testing, is that it may not be right for you. By this I mean that a heart attack can be had, especially in an older body or one that's already hanging in the balance. The small amts of adrenal glandular were exactly what you needed, and I also think that one or more of these substances is one of the things that I need, but----I may not need everything that's in a whole glandular, since I've not been tested for any of these substances. I reintroduced the glandular to myself several weeks ago, and I noticed a difference in just a few days, have had no high heart rate, etc..........My first warning that there was something wrong was the chest pain or pressure itself..........For some people, sudden death may be the first sign. Yes, we need to experiment with some things, but not untested, and not this. In your case, it happened to be exactly what YOU needed, so your educated guess was right. I still believe mine is related to adrenals, but I think that I need to test for every single one of those substances, including the sex hormones, hands down. Not necessarily, but it COULD be too much of something in the whole glandular that maybe MY body doesn't need, since it has every single one of the adrenal substances fully intact in the glandular. I will tell you that the blonde hairs were beginning to grow back on my arms and some on my legs in the last few weeks, and I was actually feeling better, except for that one morning, as I had been running all night long and felt extremely tired that morning, but relaxed right before what I thought was going to be my beddy bye time. Also, we know that there is emotional stress from regret of losing someone that we thought that we might possibly have been there "to save". It is in the back of my mind at times, but I know better than this. Still there is a certain type of stress from this alone. I really don't have any way of knowing exatly what it was, since the stupid ER doctor, or whatever you call him, didn't even touch me or do an exam or take moving pictures of my heart in motion or gastroesophageal workups, to boot, but the adrenal glandular was the main change. Look at the testing on my other post about this, and you'll see that it's most certainly NOT hyper, like that fool said it was. I believe I remember saying that the doctor had found his cortisol to be HIGH, not low. I believe I remember this distinctly. What I don't remember is whether or not it was one single am cortisol blood test or was it 24 hr urine, but I don't think it was the saliva tests at all. I remember him talking about this a lot. Now whether he's been tested more recently for this, I do not know because maybe I missed some posts here, but I know that he was found to be high at some point around a yr back or so. Re: Adrenal .. go back a couple of years... geez.. a bit over 2 1/2 actually.... I determined that I was dealing with adrenal fatigue mostly due to being underdosed on thyroid for so many years and then not being able to get thyroid. Remember, I had RAI and have no remaining function. Even though my systems and history suggested strongly that I was dealing with fatigued adrenals I was very careful when I started supplementing with adrenal glandular. Now.... the quirky part.. that part that I think is VERY important, and perhaps a lesson learned for myself and an example to others. I stared on 1/2 tab of whole desiccated bovine adrenal glandular.... I thought that was safe to start. I felt wonderful, marvelous, fantastic... ALIVE BUT I spent the next month with more energy that I had in YEARS, felt great slept better, was getting so much done... until the day that I was having trouble peeling some apples... my hands cramped up... like claws.. and it was taking an hour for it to go away... then I was having trouble walking.. .my legs would just stop holding me up and I'd fall down... this went on for a few days and was getting worse... I thought I was dying or something. I was home alone.. and scared.. I didn't understand what was happening.. I got on line one night looking anyone that could help... I found Bev's Immune group and starting shooting emails back and forth with everyone there.... They were looking from the outside in.. they spotted what the problem was in just a matter of hours, and were correct. I needed the adrenal, desperately, that was not the problem.. .the problem was the my body was so run down, from so many years of dum docs, that adding the adrenal had me doing things that my physical body couldn't keep up with. It no longer had the strength and endurance to be up and about all day everyday and the symptoms of hand cramps and falling down was muscle failure... Not from taking the adrenal, but from my body being too 'broken' to be fixed all that fast. The muscle were just so exhausted that they just stopped working. I stopped the adrenal for two months to allow my body to rest and heal and then started up again on only 1/4 tab per day. Gradually, over time, I built it up to 1 1/2 tabs per day... now I'm down to one... I'll continue to gradually work it down until I'm not taking them anymore. My point is that you need to be SURE that you need adrenal supplementation AND know how to do it. I thought I was starting slow enough... but for me, it was too fast. That's why we talk about our experiences here, too.... to share things that we've experienced so that all of you guys can peek through our eyes and see things.. that way if you are experiencing new symptoms, increased symptoms, whatever, you may already understand what is going on and take steps before there is a problem..... I hope the thought I was trying to express came out right... Know what you are doing, get the tests, understand the results, and YOUR body.. I've done a lot of experimenting on myself. In part to learn for me... in part to share results.. like when I did the comparison between Nutri-Meds thyroid and Time-Caps.... I'll be doing a comparison between Time-Caps and Thyroid-S, too, if I end up changing brands when my time to order comes.... I do stuff like that to be able to come up with some type of a measure of comparison... we've had others do that, too, when switching brands, Chris... you did one on Thyroid-S and Armour, didn't you? Even though each of us may react differently to different brands (mostly due to the fillers that are used and not the hormones) It's nice to get a comparison so that you have an idea.... I think so, anyway.... Oh... I'll close this on a more happy thought.... That night I found Bev's group and everyone helped me.. .was when I met .. and just a couple of weeks later we started this group, we're 2 1/2 years old now, and since then started four more groups and our web site and, with luck, one day we'll have our clinic, too! I went from a person that thought she was finally dying of this thyroid mess... to the ME I am today.... All from learning.... all from others that were there when I reached out my hand... scared and alone... they grabbed my hand and wouldn't let go..... Scary as that night was... it ended up being one of the best things that ever happened to me.... Topper () *who'll never forget how scary it was to be walking along and fall, and try to get up again and fall, and crawl to a chair to get up to sit... and be afraid of trying to get up out of the chair* On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:27:04 -0500 " " writes: By my possible experience, don't take any adrenal until you have tested forthis, period. Topper has been quite fortunate here, but that doesn't meanthat everyone will be able to do this without having, yes, numbers, to goby. , I thought that you said that you had had this tested for backlast yr sometime??? and had a HIGH cortisol??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 The trouble with experimentation, when it hasn't been proved by testing, is that it may not be right for you. By this I mean that a heart attack can be had, especially in an older body or one that's already hanging in the balance. The small amts of adrenal glandular were exactly what you needed, and I also think that one or more of these substances is one of the things that I need, but----I may not need everything that's in a whole glandular, since I've not been tested for any of these substances. I reintroduced the glandular to myself several weeks ago, and I noticed a difference in just a few days, have had no high heart rate, etc..........My first warning that there was something wrong was the chest pain or pressure itself..........For some people, sudden death may be the first sign. Yes, we need to experiment with some things, but not untested, and not this. In your case, it happened to be exactly what YOU needed, so your educated guess was right. I still believe mine is related to adrenals, but I think that I need to test for every single one of those substances, including the sex hormones, hands down. Not necessarily, but it COULD be too much of something in the whole glandular that maybe MY body doesn't need, since it has every single one of the adrenal substances fully intact in the glandular. I will tell you that the blonde hairs were beginning to grow back on my arms and some on my legs in the last few weeks, and I was actually feeling better, except for that one morning, as I had been running all night long and felt extremely tired that morning, but relaxed right before what I thought was going to be my beddy bye time. Also, we know that there is emotional stress from regret of losing someone that we thought that we might possibly have been there "to save". It is in the back of my mind at times, but I know better than this. Still there is a certain type of stress from this alone. I really don't have any way of knowing exatly what it was, since the stupid ER doctor, or whatever you call him, didn't even touch me or do an exam or take moving pictures of my heart in motion or gastroesophageal workups, to boot, but the adrenal glandular was the main change. Look at the testing on my other post about this, and you'll see that it's most certainly NOT hyper, like that fool said it was. I believe I remember saying that the doctor had found his cortisol to be HIGH, not low. I believe I remember this distinctly. What I don't remember is whether or not it was one single am cortisol blood test or was it 24 hr urine, but I don't think it was the saliva tests at all. I remember him talking about this a lot. Now whether he's been tested more recently for this, I do not know because maybe I missed some posts here, but I know that he was found to be high at some point around a yr back or so. Re: Adrenal .. go back a couple of years... geez.. a bit over 2 1/2 actually.... I determined that I was dealing with adrenal fatigue mostly due to being underdosed on thyroid for so many years and then not being able to get thyroid. Remember, I had RAI and have no remaining function. Even though my systems and history suggested strongly that I was dealing with fatigued adrenals I was very careful when I started supplementing with adrenal glandular. Now.... the quirky part.. that part that I think is VERY important, and perhaps a lesson learned for myself and an example to others. I stared on 1/2 tab of whole desiccated bovine adrenal glandular.... I thought that was safe to start. I felt wonderful, marvelous, fantastic... ALIVE BUT I spent the next month with more energy that I had in YEARS, felt great slept better, was getting so much done... until the day that I was having trouble peeling some apples... my hands cramped up... like claws.. and it was taking an hour for it to go away... then I was having trouble walking.. .my legs would just stop holding me up and I'd fall down... this went on for a few days and was getting worse... I thought I was dying or something. I was home alone.. and scared.. I didn't understand what was happening.. I got on line one night looking anyone that could help... I found Bev's Immune group and starting shooting emails back and forth with everyone there.... They were looking from the outside in.. they spotted what the problem was in just a matter of hours, and were correct. I needed the adrenal, desperately, that was not the problem.. .the problem was the my body was so run down, from so many years of dum docs, that adding the adrenal had me doing things that my physical body couldn't keep up with. It no longer had the strength and endurance to be up and about all day everyday and the symptoms of hand cramps and falling down was muscle failure... Not from taking the adrenal, but from my body being too 'broken' to be fixed all that fast. The muscle were just so exhausted that they just stopped working. I stopped the adrenal for two months to allow my body to rest and heal and then started up again on only 1/4 tab per day. Gradually, over time, I built it up to 1 1/2 tabs per day... now I'm down to one... I'll continue to gradually work it down until I'm not taking them anymore. My point is that you need to be SURE that you need adrenal supplementation AND know how to do it. I thought I was starting slow enough... but for me, it was too fast. That's why we talk about our experiences here, too.... to share things that we've experienced so that all of you guys can peek through our eyes and see things.. that way if you are experiencing new symptoms, increased symptoms, whatever, you may already understand what is going on and take steps before there is a problem..... I hope the thought I was trying to express came out right... Know what you are doing, get the tests, understand the results, and YOUR body.. I've done a lot of experimenting on myself. In part to learn for me... in part to share results.. like when I did the comparison between Nutri-Meds thyroid and Time-Caps.... I'll be doing a comparison between Time-Caps and Thyroid-S, too, if I end up changing brands when my time to order comes.... I do stuff like that to be able to come up with some type of a measure of comparison... we've had others do that, too, when switching brands, Chris... you did one on Thyroid-S and Armour, didn't you? Even though each of us may react differently to different brands (mostly due to the fillers that are used and not the hormones) It's nice to get a comparison so that you have an idea.... I think so, anyway.... Oh... I'll close this on a more happy thought.... That night I found Bev's group and everyone helped me.. .was when I met .. and just a couple of weeks later we started this group, we're 2 1/2 years old now, and since then started four more groups and our web site and, with luck, one day we'll have our clinic, too! I went from a person that thought she was finally dying of this thyroid mess... to the ME I am today.... All from learning.... all from others that were there when I reached out my hand... scared and alone... they grabbed my hand and wouldn't let go..... Scary as that night was... it ended up being one of the best things that ever happened to me.... Topper () *who'll never forget how scary it was to be walking along and fall, and try to get up again and fall, and crawl to a chair to get up to sit... and be afraid of trying to get up out of the chair* On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:27:04 -0500 " " writes: By my possible experience, don't take any adrenal until you have tested forthis, period. Topper has been quite fortunate here, but that doesn't meanthat everyone will be able to do this without having, yes, numbers, to goby. , I thought that you said that you had had this tested for backlast yr sometime??? and had a HIGH cortisol??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 You reminded me of something... I took DHEA for a while.... I'd have to go back to my notes, to be sure.... It's not clear in my head right now... but between the adrenal glandular and the DHEA I got my 'adult body hair' back. Some folks consider that to be just the pubic hair and underarms... but it's also leg hair and the more pronounced hairs on the forearms... for years all that hair was gone... I know that it meant that something was wrong... but hadn't put it together until it was growing back. I ran out of DHEA, my second bottle, and had to wait a while before I could get some more... I took about half the third bottle or so and decided one day not to take any more... there was no reason, the bottle is still in my pill case. I just didn't want it... ..... does a body (your's, mine, anyone's) ever know something like that and we just feel that we don't need it any more.... ???? I've puzzled about that at times... Yet I still haven't pulled that bottle out of the case and put in with the bulk bottles. It's still there, taking up it's little cubicle space. Sometimes I... I have no idea of the proper word to use.... do an 'inventory' of how I feel, does this make me feel better when I drop the pill bits from this cup into my mouth? If I'm late and miss a dose, do I notice that I FEEL different for having missed it? Special baking day today... hot as we go into another heat wave, my period started, I'm trying to burn some disks (computer) for a special project before the day gets too hot and I don't want the burner puter running.... I was pushing to get stuff done after yet another night of poor sleep because of the heat. I was dragging butt and pushing myself to get things done in a timely manner so that I would be able to be doing more casual stuff as the heat of the day built. I washed up as I went so that I wouldn't have a pile when I was done... cakes were out on the counters cooling.. stuff washed and drying on the counter, food on the stove just about finished cooking and ready for me to set up my mini meals... and I sat down and just plain flat did not want to get up. I didn't want to eat, I didn't want to fill my water glass... I didn't want to do the five minutes of 'the bare minimum of stuff that had to get done' work that remained so that I could come back here and sprawl in front of my fan. I just wanted my butt to grow roots and we'd stay.... The news was on the TV.. and it ended.. the cue to change the channel to the food network for out favorite cooking shows.. then it hit me... it was 12:30... I'd missed my 10 am and noon doses of thyroid ..... Dragged my fanny up off the chair and made myself come back here and take a dose, set the timer on the stove to take another in an hour. Sat for another 10 minutes or so, the bit of a tab under my tongue as I sipped some water. Then I was up out of the chair... set up my meals, put away the baking things, wrapped the cakes to bring down to the freezer (they'll freeze over night and then I'll be able to assemble them in the morning. From there one goes in the fridge, the other is portioned and back to the freezer). Filled up my water pitcher, washed the things I used to make and set up my mini meals and put that all away, grabbed a mini meal and came back in here as the timer went off... all that accomplished in an hour, took the next bit of a pill... drank more water... At my meal. I'm feeling just fine now. I do believe that there is a placebo effect, that folks can be made to believe that something cures them. I've heard docs say that T3 gives us a placebo type affect.. that it's surge of T3 is a that we feel and other than that Armour (natural thyroid) has no qualities that make it better than simple synthetic T4. Okay... I'm drag butt tired... don't want to move.... take the dose and go sit in front of the TV.. still tired... until a few minutes later... Was my placebo affect delayed by 10 minutes? Does sublingual dosing of a 1/2 grain of natural thyroid give you enough of a surge of T3 to make you get up off your 'death chair' and start scurrying around to finish chores? I'd like someone to explain it to me. Seriously. My levels are up by now, they were borderline low in February, when I last had labs done, and I've increased my dose a few times since then.... Why am I still so blasted dependant on multi-dosing? Is this a genetic thing? Linked somehow to the bad TSH receptors that caused me to go hyper, then into storm and then end up having RAI... or is this damage from all the years that I was underdosed, my body just can't do any decent conversion at all anymore? Most of the time I remember to do my doses on time.... sometimes I forget, not often... but on these days when I've got something special going on and do forget, it hits hard.. and I wasn't thinking about taking or not taking a dose I was busy with other stuff... so why did I get so drag butt if it's not a real physical/chemical thing. I soooooo wish that I could find someone that would REALLY study this stuff... realistic stuff not just synthetic versus natural research projects that are funded by the makers of the brand that happens to be 'proven to be the most effective'... Arggghhhhhh shutting up now.... hehehehehehehe Topper () On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:15:34 -0500 " " writes: The trouble with experimentation, when it hasn't been proved by testing, is that it may not be right for you. By this I mean that a heart attack can be had, especially in an older body or one that's already hanging in the balance. The small amts of adrenal glandular were exactly what you needed, and I also think that one or more of these substances is one of the things that I need, but----I may not need everything that's in a whole glandular, since I've not been tested for any of these substances. I reintroduced the glandular to myself several weeks ago, and I noticed a difference in just a few days, have had no high heart rate, etc..........My first warning that there was something wrong was the chest pain or pressure itself..........For some people, sudden death may be the first sign. Yes, we need to experiment with some things, but not untested, and not this. In your case, it happened to be exactly what YOU needed, so your educated guess was right. I still believe mine is related to adrenals, but I think that I need to test for every single one of those substances, including the sex hormones, hands down. Not necessarily, but it COULD be too much of something in the whole glandular that maybe MY body doesn't need, since it has every single one of the adrenal substances fully intact in the glandular. I will tell you that the blonde hairs were beginning to grow back on my arms and some on my legs in the last few weeks, and I was actually feeling better, except for that one morning, as I had been running all night long and felt extremely tired that morning, but relaxed right before what I thought was going to be my beddy bye time. Also, we know that there is emotional stress from regret of losing someone that we thought that we might possibly have been there "to save". It is in the back of my mind at times, but I know better than this. Still there is a certain type of stress from this alone. I really don't have any way of knowing exatly what it was, since the stupid ER doctor, or whatever you call him, didn't even touch me or do an exam or take moving pictures of my heart in motion or gastroesophageal workups, to boot, but the adrenal glandular was the main change. Look at the testing on my other post about this, and you'll see that it's most certainly NOT hyper, like that fool said it was. I believe I remember saying that the doctor had found his cortisol to be HIGH, not low. I believe I remember this distinctly. What I don't remember is whether or not it was one single am cortisol blood test or was it 24 hr urine, but I don't think it was the saliva tests at all. I remember him talking about this a lot. Now whether he's been tested more recently for this, I do not know because maybe I missed some posts here, but I know that he was found to be high at some point around a yr back or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 You reminded me of something... I took DHEA for a while.... I'd have to go back to my notes, to be sure.... It's not clear in my head right now... but between the adrenal glandular and the DHEA I got my 'adult body hair' back. Some folks consider that to be just the pubic hair and underarms... but it's also leg hair and the more pronounced hairs on the forearms... for years all that hair was gone... I know that it meant that something was wrong... but hadn't put it together until it was growing back. I ran out of DHEA, my second bottle, and had to wait a while before I could get some more... I took about half the third bottle or so and decided one day not to take any more... there was no reason, the bottle is still in my pill case. I just didn't want it... ..... does a body (your's, mine, anyone's) ever know something like that and we just feel that we don't need it any more.... ???? I've puzzled about that at times... Yet I still haven't pulled that bottle out of the case and put in with the bulk bottles. It's still there, taking up it's little cubicle space. Sometimes I... I have no idea of the proper word to use.... do an 'inventory' of how I feel, does this make me feel better when I drop the pill bits from this cup into my mouth? If I'm late and miss a dose, do I notice that I FEEL different for having missed it? Special baking day today... hot as we go into another heat wave, my period started, I'm trying to burn some disks (computer) for a special project before the day gets too hot and I don't want the burner puter running.... I was pushing to get stuff done after yet another night of poor sleep because of the heat. I was dragging butt and pushing myself to get things done in a timely manner so that I would be able to be doing more casual stuff as the heat of the day built. I washed up as I went so that I wouldn't have a pile when I was done... cakes were out on the counters cooling.. stuff washed and drying on the counter, food on the stove just about finished cooking and ready for me to set up my mini meals... and I sat down and just plain flat did not want to get up. I didn't want to eat, I didn't want to fill my water glass... I didn't want to do the five minutes of 'the bare minimum of stuff that had to get done' work that remained so that I could come back here and sprawl in front of my fan. I just wanted my butt to grow roots and we'd stay.... The news was on the TV.. and it ended.. the cue to change the channel to the food network for out favorite cooking shows.. then it hit me... it was 12:30... I'd missed my 10 am and noon doses of thyroid ..... Dragged my fanny up off the chair and made myself come back here and take a dose, set the timer on the stove to take another in an hour. Sat for another 10 minutes or so, the bit of a tab under my tongue as I sipped some water. Then I was up out of the chair... set up my meals, put away the baking things, wrapped the cakes to bring down to the freezer (they'll freeze over night and then I'll be able to assemble them in the morning. From there one goes in the fridge, the other is portioned and back to the freezer). Filled up my water pitcher, washed the things I used to make and set up my mini meals and put that all away, grabbed a mini meal and came back in here as the timer went off... all that accomplished in an hour, took the next bit of a pill... drank more water... At my meal. I'm feeling just fine now. I do believe that there is a placebo effect, that folks can be made to believe that something cures them. I've heard docs say that T3 gives us a placebo type affect.. that it's surge of T3 is a that we feel and other than that Armour (natural thyroid) has no qualities that make it better than simple synthetic T4. Okay... I'm drag butt tired... don't want to move.... take the dose and go sit in front of the TV.. still tired... until a few minutes later... Was my placebo affect delayed by 10 minutes? Does sublingual dosing of a 1/2 grain of natural thyroid give you enough of a surge of T3 to make you get up off your 'death chair' and start scurrying around to finish chores? I'd like someone to explain it to me. Seriously. My levels are up by now, they were borderline low in February, when I last had labs done, and I've increased my dose a few times since then.... Why am I still so blasted dependant on multi-dosing? Is this a genetic thing? Linked somehow to the bad TSH receptors that caused me to go hyper, then into storm and then end up having RAI... or is this damage from all the years that I was underdosed, my body just can't do any decent conversion at all anymore? Most of the time I remember to do my doses on time.... sometimes I forget, not often... but on these days when I've got something special going on and do forget, it hits hard.. and I wasn't thinking about taking or not taking a dose I was busy with other stuff... so why did I get so drag butt if it's not a real physical/chemical thing. I soooooo wish that I could find someone that would REALLY study this stuff... realistic stuff not just synthetic versus natural research projects that are funded by the makers of the brand that happens to be 'proven to be the most effective'... Arggghhhhhh shutting up now.... hehehehehehehe Topper () On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:15:34 -0500 " " writes: The trouble with experimentation, when it hasn't been proved by testing, is that it may not be right for you. By this I mean that a heart attack can be had, especially in an older body or one that's already hanging in the balance. The small amts of adrenal glandular were exactly what you needed, and I also think that one or more of these substances is one of the things that I need, but----I may not need everything that's in a whole glandular, since I've not been tested for any of these substances. I reintroduced the glandular to myself several weeks ago, and I noticed a difference in just a few days, have had no high heart rate, etc..........My first warning that there was something wrong was the chest pain or pressure itself..........For some people, sudden death may be the first sign. Yes, we need to experiment with some things, but not untested, and not this. In your case, it happened to be exactly what YOU needed, so your educated guess was right. I still believe mine is related to adrenals, but I think that I need to test for every single one of those substances, including the sex hormones, hands down. Not necessarily, but it COULD be too much of something in the whole glandular that maybe MY body doesn't need, since it has every single one of the adrenal substances fully intact in the glandular. I will tell you that the blonde hairs were beginning to grow back on my arms and some on my legs in the last few weeks, and I was actually feeling better, except for that one morning, as I had been running all night long and felt extremely tired that morning, but relaxed right before what I thought was going to be my beddy bye time. Also, we know that there is emotional stress from regret of losing someone that we thought that we might possibly have been there "to save". It is in the back of my mind at times, but I know better than this. Still there is a certain type of stress from this alone. I really don't have any way of knowing exatly what it was, since the stupid ER doctor, or whatever you call him, didn't even touch me or do an exam or take moving pictures of my heart in motion or gastroesophageal workups, to boot, but the adrenal glandular was the main change. Look at the testing on my other post about this, and you'll see that it's most certainly NOT hyper, like that fool said it was. I believe I remember saying that the doctor had found his cortisol to be HIGH, not low. I believe I remember this distinctly. What I don't remember is whether or not it was one single am cortisol blood test or was it 24 hr urine, but I don't think it was the saliva tests at all. I remember him talking about this a lot. Now whether he's been tested more recently for this, I do not know because maybe I missed some posts here, but I know that he was found to be high at some point around a yr back or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 I meant to be sure how much, for how long, and how long ago.... geez it was in my head that I said that, but it got lost on the way to the keyboard!!! hehehehehe Topper () On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:22:56 -0500 topper2@... writes: You reminded me of something... I took DHEA for a while.... I'd have to go back to my notes, to be sure.... It's not clear in my head right now... but between the adrenal glandular and the DHEA I got my 'adult body hair' back. Some folks consider that to be just the pubic hair and underarms... but it's also leg hair and the more pronounced hairs on the forearms... for years all that hair was gone... I know that it meant that something was wrong... but hadn't put it together until it was growing back. < snip > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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