Re: ANDY/Others: Hydrocortisone w/ adrenal cortex extract?

July 9, 2006

>

> Hi All,

> I have mercury/arsenic toxicity/adrenal

> hypofunction/hypothyroid/IBD/MCS/and the list goes on. I have been

> taking HC at 15-20mg per day. Without going into detail, let's just

> say that I have been under tremendous physical and emotional stress

> for the past 3 weeks and now have all the same symptoms I had before

> ever starting the HC. (extreme fatigue/very low BP/anxiety/crying

> jags/not sure if I will vomit or pass out when I stand up or at any

> other time for that matter).

i had episodes like this before i was prescribed hydrocortisone.

basically i got through it with lots of rest - i couldn't do anything

else anyway. in those days i would drink diluted ginger ale to

prevent dehydration, but now i would mix up electrolyte drinks. also,

now i know that extra salt will help to bring up bp and alleviate my

confusion. the anxiety/crying could be due to too much adrenaline. i

have a big problem with that. relaxation/meditation/walking helps. i

have an mp3 player loaded with relaxing music that i use to calm myself.

I cannot add more HC because the

> prescribing doctor is not cooperative

if you can find the book 'from fatigued to fantastic', show him page

217 where teitelbaum writes 'the cortef should be doubled during

periods of acute stress'. it says basically the same thing in

'amalgam illness' and in 'safe uses of cortisol' by jefferies. just a

thought. i know how stubborn doctors can be.

and if I take more, my gut falls

> apart.

i wonder if there is anything that could be done to help your gut to

heal. do you always take the hc with food?

Can I mix adrenal cortex extract with the Hydrocortisone? If

> so, how much?

i don't see why not.

if you search archives here and in autism mercury you will find some

posts from andy on this subject - of how much and which product he is

most familiar with. i remember reading some, but didn't save the links.

linda j

I've thought about adding licorice root extract or panax

> ginseng, but with MCS and IBD, my chances of tolerating either are not

> good.

> Any suggestions welcome.

> Thanks,

> Gladioli

>

July 9, 2006

Gladioli,

Yes, you can take adrenal cortex extract with hydrocortisone, because the

adrenal cortex extract doesn't have hydrocortisone in it, it just provides

some of the nutrients that the adrenals need to work better. If you can get

by with 15-20 mg. of HC per day, you probably still have some adrenal

function left, and your adrenals may respond to being given adrenal cortex

extract.

If your adrenals were healthy, they would put out a lot more cortisol than

normal under conditions of stress. The 15-20 mg. of HC you take just takes

care of routine adrenal requirements, it's not enough to support you in

conditions of high stress. Ever heard of stress dosing with HC, when you

take extra HC during times of extra stress, such as illness, surgery, or

extreme emotional distress? You're hypoadrenal now because you're not

getting enough cortisol for the stress your body is under; your requirements

have increased tremendously.

It's perplexing that you say your gut falls apart when you take higher doses

of HC. I thought corticosteroids were one of the meds that really helped

colitis & Crohn's patients feel better.

Hydrocortisone is available without prescription from overseas sources.

Lynn

> Hi All,

> I have mercury/arsenic toxicity/adrenal

> hypofunction/hypothyroid/IBD/MCS/and the list goes on. I have been

> taking HC at 15-20mg per day. Without going into detail, let's just

> say that I have been under tremendous physical and emotional stress

> for the past 3 weeks and now have all the same symptoms I had before

> ever starting the HC. (extreme fatigue/very low BP/anxiety/crying

> jags/not sure if I will vomit or pass out when I stand up or at any

> other time for that matter).I cannot add more HC because the

> prescribing doctor is not cooperative and if I take more, my gut falls

> apart. Can I mix adrenal cortex extract with the Hydrocortisone? If

> so, how much? I've thought about adding licorice root extract or panax

> ginseng, but with MCS and IBD, my chances of tolerating either are not

> good.

> Any suggestions welcome.

> Thanks,

> Gladioli

July 9, 2006

Hi Lynn!

From what I have read, hydrocortisone is known to bother the stomach in

some poeple. Personally, I used to let it disolve in my mouth to

circumvent any contact with my stomach and never had an trouble in that

respect. The biutter taste only lasts a minute and one can get used to

it.

Also, Gladioli,

I almost hate to mention this, but I was not able to handle hardly

anything when I got on hydrocortisone. In certain ways I was almost

worse off on it than off. I had to switch to prednisolone and then did

much better as far as meltdowns, crying jags, etc...all that you are

talking about and more. In fact that all cleared up. The only problem

is that predisolone is hard on the liver.

When I really needed it, only the prednisolone would work well enough

for me. You could be different.....that was just my own personal

experience.

I am now finally off of all of the corticosteroids. Yay!

~Inga

>

> It's perplexing that you say your gut falls apart when you take

> higher doses

> of HC. I thought corticosteroids were one of the meds that really

> helped

> colitis & Crohn's patients feel better.

>

> Hydrocortisone is available without prescription from overseas

> sources.

>

> Lynn

>

July 9, 2006

Hi Lynn!

From what I have read, hydrocortisone is known to bother the stomach in

some poeple. Personally, I used to let it disolve in my mouth to

circumvent any contact with my stomach and never had an trouble in that

respect. The biutter taste only lasts a minute and one can get used to

it.

Also, Gladioli,

I almost hate to mention this, but I was not able to handle hardly

anything when I got on hydrocortisone. In certain ways I was almost

worse off on it than off. I had to switch to prednisolone and then did

much better as far as meltdowns, crying jags, etc...all that you are

talking about and more. In fact that all cleared up. The only problem

is that predisolone is hard on the liver.

When I really needed it, only the prednisolone would work well enough

for me. You could be different.....that was just my own personal

experience.

I am now finally off of all of the corticosteroids. Yay!

~Inga

>

> It's perplexing that you say your gut falls apart when you take

> higher doses

> of HC. I thought corticosteroids were one of the meds that really

> helped

> colitis & Crohn's patients feel better.

>

> Hydrocortisone is available without prescription from overseas

> sources.

>

> Lynn

>

July 9, 2006

Hi Lynn!

From what I have read, hydrocortisone is known to bother the stomach in

some poeple. Personally, I used to let it disolve in my mouth to

circumvent any contact with my stomach and never had an trouble in that

respect. The biutter taste only lasts a minute and one can get used to

it.

Also, Gladioli,

I almost hate to mention this, but I was not able to handle hardly

anything when I got on hydrocortisone. In certain ways I was almost

worse off on it than off. I had to switch to prednisolone and then did

much better as far as meltdowns, crying jags, etc...all that you are

talking about and more. In fact that all cleared up. The only problem

is that predisolone is hard on the liver.

When I really needed it, only the prednisolone would work well enough

for me. You could be different.....that was just my own personal

experience.

I am now finally off of all of the corticosteroids. Yay!

~Inga

>

> It's perplexing that you say your gut falls apart when you take

> higher doses

> of HC. I thought corticosteroids were one of the meds that really

> helped

> colitis & Crohn's patients feel better.

>

> Hydrocortisone is available without prescription from overseas

> sources.

>

> Lynn

>

July 10, 2006

Gut problems can be exacerbated with pred or h/c at lower

doses...some people have talked about this on the NTH adrenal group.

I felt the same thing was happening to me...I felt it made my

dysbiosis worse, I got a runny nose, craving for sweets, feeling

spacey. Another major symptom I've had since being on h/c is mental

apathy but I'm still not really sure how much of this is due to poor

phase 1 liver detox which deals with hormones, or thyroid related, or

candida. I feel it has improved a bit recently, I'm on 2 grains

armour now so maybe this is helping, I'm not taking too high a dose

of h/c though, just 12.5mg.

Anne

>

> >

> > It's perplexing that you say your gut falls apart when you take

> > higher doses

> > of HC. I thought corticosteroids were one of the meds that

really

> > helped

> > colitis & Crohn's patients feel better.

> >

> > Hydrocortisone is available without prescription from overseas

> > sources.

> >

> > Lynn

> >

>

July 10, 2006