Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Hi Deon, While and and others are the 'masters of hair test interpretation', I'd like to try my hand at yours (please could others correct me if I'm mistaken). Your mercury(2.1) is clearly above the safe limit (1.1) indicating mercury poisoning without using even Andy Cutler counting rules to assess Deranged Mineral Transport. You are also fairly high in Aluminium, Arsenic, Tin, and Titanium that are usually raised in mercury poisoning. Mercury can always be higher in reality in your body than the hair tests shows, as it can hide deep in your brain and other organs This rise in mercury may also be reflected by the fact that you had your amalgams removed within the last year and have not begun chelating yet. Perhaps you could mention what your health history is, current health issues are and supplementation and health regime etc... When assessing your essential minerals always bare in mind that as soon as mercury is present in high amounts these readings become less and less reliable indicators of true minerals. The Calcium and Magnesium and Zinc are elevated in the hair indicating a possible deficiency of these in the body. The Sodium and potassium are raised indicating perhaps a little Adrenal hyperactivity. Dr says that raised potassium roughly correlates with raised cortisol, meaning your body may be reflecting stress, but coping with it well. (is that correct ?) The Low Molybdenum suggests you would benefit from supplementing it. Strangely you don't fall into any of Andy's counting rules and despite your high mercury your mineral transport is not deranged. (what do you make of that and and TK and others?). It could be that your body is coping well considering the toxicity, or that you are supplementing well, or even that you are exercising well. All you ratio's are very well balanced. Ratios Ca/Mg (4-30) = 11.2 That means good sugar balance Ca/P(0.8-8) = 4.43 = Optimal metaboliser Na/K ( 0.5 - 10) 2.28 = normal Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low K/Ca 0.059 (0.03 - 0.35). = normal. Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low Na/Mg (1-5) = 1.49 Adrenalin production. Tending a little toward low adrenaline production. Less than 1 is low the body can't make enough adrenaline (supplement with tyrosine, trimethylglycine (TMG), folic acid, B6, B12) That's the best I can do so far :-) Dean hair test interpretation I would appreciate help with interpreting my hairtest at this link: http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf <http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf> part of the Dean Ferris group in Cape town. thanks deon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Hi Deon, While and and others are the 'masters of hair test interpretation', I'd like to try my hand at yours (please could others correct me if I'm mistaken). Your mercury(2.1) is clearly above the safe limit (1.1) indicating mercury poisoning without using even Andy Cutler counting rules to assess Deranged Mineral Transport. You are also fairly high in Aluminium, Arsenic, Tin, and Titanium that are usually raised in mercury poisoning. Mercury can always be higher in reality in your body than the hair tests shows, as it can hide deep in your brain and other organs This rise in mercury may also be reflected by the fact that you had your amalgams removed within the last year and have not begun chelating yet. Perhaps you could mention what your health history is, current health issues are and supplementation and health regime etc... When assessing your essential minerals always bare in mind that as soon as mercury is present in high amounts these readings become less and less reliable indicators of true minerals. The Calcium and Magnesium and Zinc are elevated in the hair indicating a possible deficiency of these in the body. The Sodium and potassium are raised indicating perhaps a little Adrenal hyperactivity. Dr says that raised potassium roughly correlates with raised cortisol, meaning your body may be reflecting stress, but coping with it well. (is that correct ?) The Low Molybdenum suggests you would benefit from supplementing it. Strangely you don't fall into any of Andy's counting rules and despite your high mercury your mineral transport is not deranged. (what do you make of that and and TK and others?). It could be that your body is coping well considering the toxicity, or that you are supplementing well, or even that you are exercising well. All you ratio's are very well balanced. Ratios Ca/Mg (4-30) = 11.2 That means good sugar balance Ca/P(0.8-8) = 4.43 = Optimal metaboliser Na/K ( 0.5 - 10) 2.28 = normal Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low K/Ca 0.059 (0.03 - 0.35). = normal. Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low Na/Mg (1-5) = 1.49 Adrenalin production. Tending a little toward low adrenaline production. Less than 1 is low the body can't make enough adrenaline (supplement with tyrosine, trimethylglycine (TMG), folic acid, B6, B12) That's the best I can do so far :-) Dean hair test interpretation I would appreciate help with interpreting my hairtest at this link: http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf <http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf> part of the Dean Ferris group in Cape town. thanks deon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Hi Deon, While and and others are the 'masters of hair test interpretation', I'd like to try my hand at yours (please could others correct me if I'm mistaken). Your mercury(2.1) is clearly above the safe limit (1.1) indicating mercury poisoning without using even Andy Cutler counting rules to assess Deranged Mineral Transport. You are also fairly high in Aluminium, Arsenic, Tin, and Titanium that are usually raised in mercury poisoning. Mercury can always be higher in reality in your body than the hair tests shows, as it can hide deep in your brain and other organs This rise in mercury may also be reflected by the fact that you had your amalgams removed within the last year and have not begun chelating yet. Perhaps you could mention what your health history is, current health issues are and supplementation and health regime etc... When assessing your essential minerals always bare in mind that as soon as mercury is present in high amounts these readings become less and less reliable indicators of true minerals. The Calcium and Magnesium and Zinc are elevated in the hair indicating a possible deficiency of these in the body. The Sodium and potassium are raised indicating perhaps a little Adrenal hyperactivity. Dr says that raised potassium roughly correlates with raised cortisol, meaning your body may be reflecting stress, but coping with it well. (is that correct ?) The Low Molybdenum suggests you would benefit from supplementing it. Strangely you don't fall into any of Andy's counting rules and despite your high mercury your mineral transport is not deranged. (what do you make of that and and TK and others?). It could be that your body is coping well considering the toxicity, or that you are supplementing well, or even that you are exercising well. All you ratio's are very well balanced. Ratios Ca/Mg (4-30) = 11.2 That means good sugar balance Ca/P(0.8-8) = 4.43 = Optimal metaboliser Na/K ( 0.5 - 10) 2.28 = normal Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low K/Ca 0.059 (0.03 - 0.35). = normal. Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low Na/Mg (1-5) = 1.49 Adrenalin production. Tending a little toward low adrenaline production. Less than 1 is low the body can't make enough adrenaline (supplement with tyrosine, trimethylglycine (TMG), folic acid, B6, B12) That's the best I can do so far :-) Dean hair test interpretation I would appreciate help with interpreting my hairtest at this link: http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf <http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf> part of the Dean Ferris group in Cape town. thanks deon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 > > Hi Deon, > While and and others are the 'masters of hair test interpretation', I'd like to try my hand at yours (please could others correct me if I'm mistaken). > > Your mercury(2.1) is clearly above the safe limit (1.1) indicating mercury poisoning without using even Andy Cutler counting rules to assess Deranged Mineral Transport. You are also fairly high in Aluminium, Arsenic, Tin, and Titanium that are usually raised in mercury poisoning. Mercury can always be higher in reality in your body than the hair tests shows, as it can hide deep in your brain and other organs I would say it is not a healthy level of mercury. And even though the counting rules are not met, I'm not sure it looks like normal mineral transport. (See pg. 28-33 for some normal-looking tests.) Maybe I am overly influenced by the electrolytes, though. Not sure. When Andy talks about elevations of aluminum, arsenic, tin, and titanium, I believe he refers to much higher levels (when he uses the phrase " very elevated " he means something different from just " elevated " ). Toxics in the yellow are not usually significant (p. 12). I used to interpret these as more concerning, but less so now after reading Andy's book more carefully. I do take note of lead and mercury in mid to high yellow, and sometimes other toxics if they are high in the yellow and the person clearly has health issues. > This rise in mercury may also be reflected by the fact that you had your amalgams removed within the last year and have not begun chelating yet. Perhaps you could mention what your health history is, current health issues are and supplementation and health regime etc... > > When assessing your essential minerals always bare in mind that as soon as mercury is present in high amounts these readings become less and less reliable indicators of true minerals. Very generally speaking. However, some people are not susceptible to deranged mineral transport (p. 12) and their mineral levels will not be deranged even if mercury is elevated. Also, certain minerals do not reflect body inventory even with perfectly normal mineral transport. > The Calcium and Magnesium and Zinc are elevated in the hair indicating a possible deficiency of these in the body. Elevations of these particular elements usually do mean wasting, according to Andy. > The Sodium and potassium are raised indicating perhaps a little Adrenal hyperactivity. Dr says that raised potassium roughly correlates with raised cortisol, meaning your body may be reflecting stress, but coping with it well. (is that correct ?) Yes, that is what says. Keep in mind that he feels the levels of minerals (especially Ca, Na, K) are only accurate if the hair is not washed. DDI does wash the hair. > The Low Molybdenum suggests you would benefit from supplementing it. > > Strangely you don't fall into any of Andy's counting rules and despite your high mercury your mineral transport is not deranged. (what do you make of that and and TK and others?). It I am not sure. Could be that Deon is not susceptible to deranged mineral transport. Also possible that a later (or earlier) test would (did) meet the counting rules. Could be due to good supplementation and other health interventions. could be that your body is coping well considering the toxicity, or that you are supplementing well, or even that you are exercising well. > > All you ratio's are very well balanced. > > Ratios > Ca/Mg (4-30) = 11.2 That means good sugar balance > Ca/P(0.8-8) = 4.43 = Optimal metaboliser Andy uses a different range for this (1-12). I don't think Dr. talks about this ratio at all. I'm not yet sure where Andy came up with it. > Na/K ( 0.5 - 10) 2.28 = normal Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > K/Ca 0.059 (0.03 - 0.35). = normal. Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > Na/Mg (1-5) = 1.49 Adrenalin production. Tending a little toward low adrenaline production. Less than 1 is low the body can't make enough adrenaline (supplement with tyrosine, trimethylglycine (TMG), folic acid, B6, B12) > > That's the best I can do so far :-) > Dean I agree with you overall. My comments above are finer points (and I am still learning, so please feel free to quibble if you read things differently). -- > hair test interpretation > > > > I would appreciate help with interpreting my hairtest at this link: > > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf > <http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf> > > part of the Dean Ferris group in Cape town. > > thanks > > deon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 > > Hi Deon, > While and and others are the 'masters of hair test interpretation', I'd like to try my hand at yours (please could others correct me if I'm mistaken). > > Your mercury(2.1) is clearly above the safe limit (1.1) indicating mercury poisoning without using even Andy Cutler counting rules to assess Deranged Mineral Transport. You are also fairly high in Aluminium, Arsenic, Tin, and Titanium that are usually raised in mercury poisoning. Mercury can always be higher in reality in your body than the hair tests shows, as it can hide deep in your brain and other organs I would say it is not a healthy level of mercury. And even though the counting rules are not met, I'm not sure it looks like normal mineral transport. (See pg. 28-33 for some normal-looking tests.) Maybe I am overly influenced by the electrolytes, though. Not sure. When Andy talks about elevations of aluminum, arsenic, tin, and titanium, I believe he refers to much higher levels (when he uses the phrase " very elevated " he means something different from just " elevated " ). Toxics in the yellow are not usually significant (p. 12). I used to interpret these as more concerning, but less so now after reading Andy's book more carefully. I do take note of lead and mercury in mid to high yellow, and sometimes other toxics if they are high in the yellow and the person clearly has health issues. > This rise in mercury may also be reflected by the fact that you had your amalgams removed within the last year and have not begun chelating yet. Perhaps you could mention what your health history is, current health issues are and supplementation and health regime etc... > > When assessing your essential minerals always bare in mind that as soon as mercury is present in high amounts these readings become less and less reliable indicators of true minerals. Very generally speaking. However, some people are not susceptible to deranged mineral transport (p. 12) and their mineral levels will not be deranged even if mercury is elevated. Also, certain minerals do not reflect body inventory even with perfectly normal mineral transport. > The Calcium and Magnesium and Zinc are elevated in the hair indicating a possible deficiency of these in the body. Elevations of these particular elements usually do mean wasting, according to Andy. > The Sodium and potassium are raised indicating perhaps a little Adrenal hyperactivity. Dr says that raised potassium roughly correlates with raised cortisol, meaning your body may be reflecting stress, but coping with it well. (is that correct ?) Yes, that is what says. Keep in mind that he feels the levels of minerals (especially Ca, Na, K) are only accurate if the hair is not washed. DDI does wash the hair. > The Low Molybdenum suggests you would benefit from supplementing it. > > Strangely you don't fall into any of Andy's counting rules and despite your high mercury your mineral transport is not deranged. (what do you make of that and and TK and others?). It I am not sure. Could be that Deon is not susceptible to deranged mineral transport. Also possible that a later (or earlier) test would (did) meet the counting rules. Could be due to good supplementation and other health interventions. could be that your body is coping well considering the toxicity, or that you are supplementing well, or even that you are exercising well. > > All you ratio's are very well balanced. > > Ratios > Ca/Mg (4-30) = 11.2 That means good sugar balance > Ca/P(0.8-8) = 4.43 = Optimal metaboliser Andy uses a different range for this (1-12). I don't think Dr. talks about this ratio at all. I'm not yet sure where Andy came up with it. > Na/K ( 0.5 - 10) 2.28 = normal Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > K/Ca 0.059 (0.03 - 0.35). = normal. Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > Na/Mg (1-5) = 1.49 Adrenalin production. Tending a little toward low adrenaline production. Less than 1 is low the body can't make enough adrenaline (supplement with tyrosine, trimethylglycine (TMG), folic acid, B6, B12) > > That's the best I can do so far :-) > Dean I agree with you overall. My comments above are finer points (and I am still learning, so please feel free to quibble if you read things differently). -- > hair test interpretation > > > > I would appreciate help with interpreting my hairtest at this link: > > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf > <http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf> > > part of the Dean Ferris group in Cape town. > > thanks > > deon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 > > Hi Deon, > While and and others are the 'masters of hair test interpretation', I'd like to try my hand at yours (please could others correct me if I'm mistaken). > > Your mercury(2.1) is clearly above the safe limit (1.1) indicating mercury poisoning without using even Andy Cutler counting rules to assess Deranged Mineral Transport. You are also fairly high in Aluminium, Arsenic, Tin, and Titanium that are usually raised in mercury poisoning. Mercury can always be higher in reality in your body than the hair tests shows, as it can hide deep in your brain and other organs I would say it is not a healthy level of mercury. And even though the counting rules are not met, I'm not sure it looks like normal mineral transport. (See pg. 28-33 for some normal-looking tests.) Maybe I am overly influenced by the electrolytes, though. Not sure. When Andy talks about elevations of aluminum, arsenic, tin, and titanium, I believe he refers to much higher levels (when he uses the phrase " very elevated " he means something different from just " elevated " ). Toxics in the yellow are not usually significant (p. 12). I used to interpret these as more concerning, but less so now after reading Andy's book more carefully. I do take note of lead and mercury in mid to high yellow, and sometimes other toxics if they are high in the yellow and the person clearly has health issues. > This rise in mercury may also be reflected by the fact that you had your amalgams removed within the last year and have not begun chelating yet. Perhaps you could mention what your health history is, current health issues are and supplementation and health regime etc... > > When assessing your essential minerals always bare in mind that as soon as mercury is present in high amounts these readings become less and less reliable indicators of true minerals. Very generally speaking. However, some people are not susceptible to deranged mineral transport (p. 12) and their mineral levels will not be deranged even if mercury is elevated. Also, certain minerals do not reflect body inventory even with perfectly normal mineral transport. > The Calcium and Magnesium and Zinc are elevated in the hair indicating a possible deficiency of these in the body. Elevations of these particular elements usually do mean wasting, according to Andy. > The Sodium and potassium are raised indicating perhaps a little Adrenal hyperactivity. Dr says that raised potassium roughly correlates with raised cortisol, meaning your body may be reflecting stress, but coping with it well. (is that correct ?) Yes, that is what says. Keep in mind that he feels the levels of minerals (especially Ca, Na, K) are only accurate if the hair is not washed. DDI does wash the hair. > The Low Molybdenum suggests you would benefit from supplementing it. > > Strangely you don't fall into any of Andy's counting rules and despite your high mercury your mineral transport is not deranged. (what do you make of that and and TK and others?). It I am not sure. Could be that Deon is not susceptible to deranged mineral transport. Also possible that a later (or earlier) test would (did) meet the counting rules. Could be due to good supplementation and other health interventions. could be that your body is coping well considering the toxicity, or that you are supplementing well, or even that you are exercising well. > > All you ratio's are very well balanced. > > Ratios > Ca/Mg (4-30) = 11.2 That means good sugar balance > Ca/P(0.8-8) = 4.43 = Optimal metaboliser Andy uses a different range for this (1-12). I don't think Dr. talks about this ratio at all. I'm not yet sure where Andy came up with it. > Na/K ( 0.5 - 10) 2.28 = normal Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > K/Ca 0.059 (0.03 - 0.35). = normal. Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > Na/Mg (1-5) = 1.49 Adrenalin production. Tending a little toward low adrenaline production. Less than 1 is low the body can't make enough adrenaline (supplement with tyrosine, trimethylglycine (TMG), folic acid, B6, B12) > > That's the best I can do so far :-) > Dean I agree with you overall. My comments above are finer points (and I am still learning, so please feel free to quibble if you read things differently). -- > hair test interpretation > > > > I would appreciate help with interpreting my hairtest at this link: > > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf > <http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf> > > part of the Dean Ferris group in Cape town. > > thanks > > deon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 My humble opinion is that there is enough mercury and arsenic on this test to justify chelation. Symptoms with chelation would tell us something. (My understanding is that symptoms with chelation confirm toxicity). When a test doesn't meet any of the counting rules a person could still be poisoned. One big possibility is if exposures were long ago and most of the mercury is hidden away in the brain and organs. Another possibility is when inappropriate chelation (in particular inappropriate ALA or cilantro use, DMPS IVs could do it too) drives the mercury out of the body into the brain and organs. This is where we really need to hear some of the person's symptoms and history(both medical and possibilities of exposure). Tests are really need to be combined with symptoms and history to get a better picture. There are plenty of examples in autism mercury archives of hair tests from kids. Many of them didn't meet the counting rules on the first test, but did on subsequent tests after chelation, and then the tests eventually normalized. And then there is the example of 's grandaughter whose tests never met the counting rules but she certainly obtained positive results with chelation. The hidden copper possibilities are beyond me, and I haven't looked at any of Dr. 's work. Regards J > > Hi Deon, > While and and others are the 'masters of hair test interpretation', I'd like to try my hand at yours (please could others correct me if I'm mistaken). > > Your mercury(2.1) is clearly above the safe limit (1.1) indicating mercury poisoning without using even Andy Cutler counting rules to assess Deranged Mineral Transport. You are also fairly high in Aluminium, Arsenic, Tin, and Titanium that are usually raised in mercury poisoning. Mercury can always be higher in reality in your body than the hair tests shows, as it can hide deep in your brain and other organs > > This rise in mercury may also be reflected by the fact that you had your amalgams removed within the last year and have not begun chelating yet. Perhaps you could mention what your health history is, current health issues are and supplementation and health regime etc... > > When assessing your essential minerals always bare in mind that as soon as mercury is present in high amounts these readings become less and less reliable indicators of true minerals. The Calcium and Magnesium and Zinc are elevated in the hair indicating a possible deficiency of these in the body. > The Sodium and potassium are raised indicating perhaps a little Adrenal hyperactivity. Dr says that raised potassium roughly correlates with raised cortisol, meaning your body may be reflecting stress, but coping with it well. (is that correct ?) > The Low Molybdenum suggests you would benefit from supplementing it. > > Strangely you don't fall into any of Andy's counting rules and despite your high mercury your mineral transport is not deranged. (what do you make of that and and TK and others?). It could be that your body is coping well considering the toxicity, or that you are supplementing well, or even that you are exercising well. > > All you ratio's are very well balanced. > > Ratios > Ca/Mg (4-30) = 11.2 That means good sugar balance > Ca/P(0.8-8) = 4.43 = Optimal metaboliser > Na/K ( 0.5 - 10) 2.28 = normal Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > K/Ca 0.059 (0.03 - 0.35). = normal. Thyroid indicator - tending a little towards low > Na/Mg (1-5) = 1.49 Adrenalin production. Tending a little toward low adrenaline production. Less than 1 is low the body can't make enough adrenaline (supplement with tyrosine, trimethylglycine (TMG), folic acid, B6, B12) > > That's the best I can do so far :-) > Dean > > > > > > hair test interpretation > > > > I would appreciate help with interpreting my hairtest at this link: > > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf > <http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest9.pdf> > > part of the Dean Ferris group in Cape town. > > thanks > > deon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 >My humble opinion is that there is enough mercury and arsenic on this >test to justify chelation. Symptoms with chelation would tell us >something. (My understanding is that symptoms with chelation confirm >toxicity). That is a good way to think of it . He is about to start chelating within 2 weeks. All his amalgams and metal crowns and root canals were removed. The last amalgam was removed about 1 year ago and no chelation done. Right Deon? One thing I don't understand is why there is such a high 'safe' limit for mercury. Is there any safe limited in the body and if it has no metabolic value shouldn't we be aiming for zero mercury (and aluminium) rather? At what percentile is a toxin considered elevated or very elevated? >When a test doesn't meet any of the counting rules a person could >still be poisoned. One big possibility is if exposures were long ago >and most of the mercury is hidden away in the brain and organs. >Another possibility is when inappropriate chelation (in particular >inappropriate ALA or cilantro use, DMPS IVs could do it too) drives >the mercury out of the body into the brain and organs. None of these have been used. His exposure must be from the amalgam removed. >This is where we really need to hear some of the person's symptoms and history(both >medical and possibilities of exposure). Tests are really need to be >combined with symptoms and history to get a better picture. I agree. Deon correct me if I'm wrong, but he has strong persistent tinnitus, mild tremors in the hands, and some red discolouration around the jaw. Some persistent left hip pain and other joint pains Some bowel disturbances. Overall energetically functional. Difficulty in rising in the morning. I would say you have hit the nail on the head for me . After the hair test if their is no amalgam perform a " oral chelation " test and if there are symptoms with you first few rounds you can be closer to being sure there are metals inside. I would like it would be valuable to chelate anyway. I mean why do all the anti-aging guys put ALA in everything (but never say having amalgam in your mouth is contraindicated to using it. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 >My humble opinion is that there is enough mercury and arsenic on this >test to justify chelation. Symptoms with chelation would tell us >something. (My understanding is that symptoms with chelation confirm >toxicity). That is a good way to think of it . He is about to start chelating within 2 weeks. All his amalgams and metal crowns and root canals were removed. The last amalgam was removed about 1 year ago and no chelation done. Right Deon? One thing I don't understand is why there is such a high 'safe' limit for mercury. Is there any safe limited in the body and if it has no metabolic value shouldn't we be aiming for zero mercury (and aluminium) rather? At what percentile is a toxin considered elevated or very elevated? >When a test doesn't meet any of the counting rules a person could >still be poisoned. One big possibility is if exposures were long ago >and most of the mercury is hidden away in the brain and organs. >Another possibility is when inappropriate chelation (in particular >inappropriate ALA or cilantro use, DMPS IVs could do it too) drives >the mercury out of the body into the brain and organs. None of these have been used. His exposure must be from the amalgam removed. >This is where we really need to hear some of the person's symptoms and history(both >medical and possibilities of exposure). Tests are really need to be >combined with symptoms and history to get a better picture. I agree. Deon correct me if I'm wrong, but he has strong persistent tinnitus, mild tremors in the hands, and some red discolouration around the jaw. Some persistent left hip pain and other joint pains Some bowel disturbances. Overall energetically functional. Difficulty in rising in the morning. I would say you have hit the nail on the head for me . After the hair test if their is no amalgam perform a " oral chelation " test and if there are symptoms with you first few rounds you can be closer to being sure there are metals inside. I would like it would be valuable to chelate anyway. I mean why do all the anti-aging guys put ALA in everything (but never say having amalgam in your mouth is contraindicated to using it. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 >My humble opinion is that there is enough mercury and arsenic on this >test to justify chelation. Symptoms with chelation would tell us >something. (My understanding is that symptoms with chelation confirm >toxicity). That is a good way to think of it . He is about to start chelating within 2 weeks. All his amalgams and metal crowns and root canals were removed. The last amalgam was removed about 1 year ago and no chelation done. Right Deon? One thing I don't understand is why there is such a high 'safe' limit for mercury. Is there any safe limited in the body and if it has no metabolic value shouldn't we be aiming for zero mercury (and aluminium) rather? At what percentile is a toxin considered elevated or very elevated? >When a test doesn't meet any of the counting rules a person could >still be poisoned. One big possibility is if exposures were long ago >and most of the mercury is hidden away in the brain and organs. >Another possibility is when inappropriate chelation (in particular >inappropriate ALA or cilantro use, DMPS IVs could do it too) drives >the mercury out of the body into the brain and organs. None of these have been used. His exposure must be from the amalgam removed. >This is where we really need to hear some of the person's symptoms and history(both >medical and possibilities of exposure). Tests are really need to be >combined with symptoms and history to get a better picture. I agree. Deon correct me if I'm wrong, but he has strong persistent tinnitus, mild tremors in the hands, and some red discolouration around the jaw. Some persistent left hip pain and other joint pains Some bowel disturbances. Overall energetically functional. Difficulty in rising in the morning. I would say you have hit the nail on the head for me . After the hair test if their is no amalgam perform a " oral chelation " test and if there are symptoms with you first few rounds you can be closer to being sure there are metals inside. I would like it would be valuable to chelate anyway. I mean why do all the anti-aging guys put ALA in everything (but never say having amalgam in your mouth is contraindicated to using it. Thanks, Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 > One thing I don't understand is why there is such a high 'safe' limit for mercury. Is there any safe limited in the body and if it has no metabolic value shouldn't we be aiming for zero mercury (and aluminium) rather? Yes absolutely. As Lars Friberg of the World health organisation says: " There is no safe level of mercury " . We should be aiming for zero mercury (or as close to as possible). However what was alluding to was that chelation is not trivial - it has a cost in terms of effort (e.g. distrupted sleep, stiring up mercury). It is not clear for someone who isn't suffering any symptoms whether its still worth chelating. You could argue that long term it might still be worth it in terms of reduced health risks (e.g. see bbc article on lead: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5355466.stm ). But nobody knows for sure. > At what percentile is a toxin considered elevated or very elevated? Its entirely arbitrary. Either you do what the hair test labs do and you do it by percentiles (which is probably the more reasonable thing to do) or you do it like the mainstream labs do and just pluck a number out of the air. > I would like it would be valuable to chelate anyway. I mean why do all the anti-aging guys put ALA in everything (but never say having amalgam in your mouth is contraindicated to using it. Because no one (outside of Andy's people) seems to know that ALA is a chelator and that taking chelators (outside of frequent dose scheduling) is a bad thing. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 > One thing I don't understand is why there is such a high 'safe' limit for mercury. Is there any safe limited in the body and if it has no metabolic value shouldn't we be aiming for zero mercury (and aluminium) rather? Yes absolutely. As Lars Friberg of the World health organisation says: " There is no safe level of mercury " . We should be aiming for zero mercury (or as close to as possible). However what was alluding to was that chelation is not trivial - it has a cost in terms of effort (e.g. distrupted sleep, stiring up mercury). It is not clear for someone who isn't suffering any symptoms whether its still worth chelating. You could argue that long term it might still be worth it in terms of reduced health risks (e.g. see bbc article on lead: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5355466.stm ). But nobody knows for sure. > At what percentile is a toxin considered elevated or very elevated? Its entirely arbitrary. Either you do what the hair test labs do and you do it by percentiles (which is probably the more reasonable thing to do) or you do it like the mainstream labs do and just pluck a number out of the air. > I would like it would be valuable to chelate anyway. I mean why do all the anti-aging guys put ALA in everything (but never say having amalgam in your mouth is contraindicated to using it. Because no one (outside of Andy's people) seems to know that ALA is a chelator and that taking chelators (outside of frequent dose scheduling) is a bad thing. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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