Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Not really, or maybe I should say, not necessarily. There's more to foam and bubbles than just protein. You really can't tell much just by looking at it. Pierre spilling protein.... > I had a question.... I usually always have protein in my urine (foamy bubbles) but yesterday was the most foam I have had. It was like I put soap in there. The bubbles were atleast a half inch off the top. Is that a sign that I am spilling more protein?Thanks Jill H. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Not really, or maybe I should say, not necessarily. There's more to foam and bubbles than just protein. You really can't tell much just by looking at it. Pierre spilling protein.... > I had a question.... I usually always have protein in my urine (foamy bubbles) but yesterday was the most foam I have had. It was like I put soap in there. The bubbles were atleast a half inch off the top. Is that a sign that I am spilling more protein?Thanks Jill H. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Not really, or maybe I should say, not necessarily. There's more to foam and bubbles than just protein. You really can't tell much just by looking at it. Pierre spilling protein.... > I had a question.... I usually always have protein in my urine (foamy bubbles) but yesterday was the most foam I have had. It was like I put soap in there. The bubbles were atleast a half inch off the top. Is that a sign that I am spilling more protein?Thanks Jill H. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 In a message dated 6/2/2004 8:54:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhigby2003@... writes: > Would that mean that my protein spill has increased? > > Not necessarily. You cannot tell what the level of protein spill is just from the foam. The only sure way to tell is having lab analysis. There have been times when my foam level has been really high, yet the lab analysis showed lower protein. Go figure! In fact, when my protein level was up to 10 grams, the foam was not very bad. Sorry I can't offer more information than my personal experience, but hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 In a message dated 6/2/2004 8:54:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhigby2003@... writes: > Would that mean that my protein spill has increased? > > Not necessarily. You cannot tell what the level of protein spill is just from the foam. The only sure way to tell is having lab analysis. There have been times when my foam level has been really high, yet the lab analysis showed lower protein. Go figure! In fact, when my protein level was up to 10 grams, the foam was not very bad. Sorry I can't offer more information than my personal experience, but hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 In a message dated 6/2/2004 8:54:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhigby2003@... writes: > Would that mean that my protein spill has increased? > > Not necessarily. You cannot tell what the level of protein spill is just from the foam. The only sure way to tell is having lab analysis. There have been times when my foam level has been really high, yet the lab analysis showed lower protein. Go figure! In fact, when my protein level was up to 10 grams, the foam was not very bad. Sorry I can't offer more information than my personal experience, but hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Many people get foamy urine now and then without having kidney disease without even noticing it. It can happen simply because there are certain proteins in meats that don't get broken down completely in digestion, and these exit the body in the urine. Morning urine is particularly susceptible to this, because it's very concentrated. Other things that can cause foamy urine are gallbladder and bile problems. Foam is a little like blood in the urine. You can't really judge how much blood is in urine by looking at it even if it's cola-coloured, and you can't really judge proteinuria by the amount of foam in the urine. Maybe sometimes you can, but it's not usually a reliable indicator. Pierre Re: spilling protein.... > Pierre, > Can you clarify a bit? Your line " there's more to foam and bubbles than > just protein " , threw me a bit. I always thought foamy urine = protein > spill. I know that has held true - at least in our house. > Cy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Many people get foamy urine now and then without having kidney disease without even noticing it. It can happen simply because there are certain proteins in meats that don't get broken down completely in digestion, and these exit the body in the urine. Morning urine is particularly susceptible to this, because it's very concentrated. Other things that can cause foamy urine are gallbladder and bile problems. Foam is a little like blood in the urine. You can't really judge how much blood is in urine by looking at it even if it's cola-coloured, and you can't really judge proteinuria by the amount of foam in the urine. Maybe sometimes you can, but it's not usually a reliable indicator. Pierre Re: spilling protein.... > Pierre, > Can you clarify a bit? Your line " there's more to foam and bubbles than > just protein " , threw me a bit. I always thought foamy urine = protein > spill. I know that has held true - at least in our house. > Cy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Many people get foamy urine now and then without having kidney disease without even noticing it. It can happen simply because there are certain proteins in meats that don't get broken down completely in digestion, and these exit the body in the urine. Morning urine is particularly susceptible to this, because it's very concentrated. Other things that can cause foamy urine are gallbladder and bile problems. Foam is a little like blood in the urine. You can't really judge how much blood is in urine by looking at it even if it's cola-coloured, and you can't really judge proteinuria by the amount of foam in the urine. Maybe sometimes you can, but it's not usually a reliable indicator. Pierre Re: spilling protein.... > Pierre, > Can you clarify a bit? Your line " there's more to foam and bubbles than > just protein " , threw me a bit. I always thought foamy urine = protein > spill. I know that has held true - at least in our house. > Cy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Thanks Pierre! Cy Re: spilling protein.... > > > > Pierre, > > Can you clarify a bit? Your line " there's more to foam and bubbles than > > just protein " , threw me a bit. I always thought foamy urine = protein > > spill. I know that has held true - at least in our house. > > Cy > > > > > To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group > home page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ > > To unsubcribe via email, > iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe > Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: > http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm > > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Thanks Pierre! Cy Re: spilling protein.... > > > > Pierre, > > Can you clarify a bit? Your line " there's more to foam and bubbles than > > just protein " , threw me a bit. I always thought foamy urine = protein > > spill. I know that has held true - at least in our house. > > Cy > > > > > To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group > home page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ > > To unsubcribe via email, > iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe > Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: > http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm > > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Thanks Pierre! Cy Re: spilling protein.... > > > > Pierre, > > Can you clarify a bit? Your line " there's more to foam and bubbles than > > just protein " , threw me a bit. I always thought foamy urine = protein > > spill. I know that has held true - at least in our house. > > Cy > > > > > To edit your settings for the group, go to our Yahoo Group > home page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iga-nephropathy/ > > To unsubcribe via email, > iga-nephropathy-unsubscribe > Visit our companion website at www.igan.ca. The site is entirely supported by donations. If you would like to help, go to: > http://www.igan.ca/id62.htm > > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine test was negative for protein. Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not feeling great but he is getting some better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine test was negative for protein. Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not feeling great but he is getting some better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine test was negative for protein. Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not feeling great but he is getting some better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , Well, most people with IgAN, once diagnosed, may never again see a urine test result that doesn't show blood, but I guess it's possible it might happen now and then. It's certainly possible to have proteinuria without blood. It's possible to have just orthostatic proteinuria, without kidney disease, and it really doesn't mean anything. There are some kidney disease where the primary feature IS proteinuria. I imagine that if someone with suspected IgAN who has NOT had a biopsy showed no blood in the urine consistently, I would be thinking maybe another kind of kidney disease. Pierre Re: spilling protein.... > Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine > protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked > like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine > test was negative for protein. > > Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not > blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The > last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. > > I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. > I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not > feeling great but he is getting some better. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , Well, most people with IgAN, once diagnosed, may never again see a urine test result that doesn't show blood, but I guess it's possible it might happen now and then. It's certainly possible to have proteinuria without blood. It's possible to have just orthostatic proteinuria, without kidney disease, and it really doesn't mean anything. There are some kidney disease where the primary feature IS proteinuria. I imagine that if someone with suspected IgAN who has NOT had a biopsy showed no blood in the urine consistently, I would be thinking maybe another kind of kidney disease. Pierre Re: spilling protein.... > Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine > protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked > like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine > test was negative for protein. > > Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not > blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The > last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. > > I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. > I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not > feeling great but he is getting some better. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , Well, most people with IgAN, once diagnosed, may never again see a urine test result that doesn't show blood, but I guess it's possible it might happen now and then. It's certainly possible to have proteinuria without blood. It's possible to have just orthostatic proteinuria, without kidney disease, and it really doesn't mean anything. There are some kidney disease where the primary feature IS proteinuria. I imagine that if someone with suspected IgAN who has NOT had a biopsy showed no blood in the urine consistently, I would be thinking maybe another kind of kidney disease. Pierre Re: spilling protein.... > Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine > protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked > like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine > test was negative for protein. > > Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not > blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The > last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. > > I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. > I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not > feeling great but he is getting some better. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , I know Pierre already answered your question, but I just wanted to say it is good to hear from you. I am glad you are taking time to recover from your kids busy school year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , I know Pierre already answered your question, but I just wanted to say it is good to hear from you. I am glad you are taking time to recover from your kids busy school year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , Fair weather friend is the last thing I'd call you! is routinely negative for blood despite having slightly elevated urine protein This was true even when he was spilling a moderate amount of protein (but not when he was doing massive spills). I think the mechanisms are very different. Proteinuria involves membrane permiability and hematuria might involve other factors. I'm fuzzy on specifics here, so don't quote me. Sounds like you've had your hands full with L and L. I winced when you said " recovering from 6th grade " . I remember how completely disasterous 's 6th grade was! I hope Luke's recovery is as equally swift. Cy Re: spilling protein.... > Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine > protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked > like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine > test was negative for protein. > > Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not > blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The > last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. > > I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. > I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not > feeling great but he is getting some better. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , Fair weather friend is the last thing I'd call you! is routinely negative for blood despite having slightly elevated urine protein This was true even when he was spilling a moderate amount of protein (but not when he was doing massive spills). I think the mechanisms are very different. Proteinuria involves membrane permiability and hematuria might involve other factors. I'm fuzzy on specifics here, so don't quote me. Sounds like you've had your hands full with L and L. I winced when you said " recovering from 6th grade " . I remember how completely disasterous 's 6th grade was! I hope Luke's recovery is as equally swift. Cy Re: spilling protein.... > Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine > protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked > like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine > test was negative for protein. > > Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not > blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The > last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. > > I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. > I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not > feeling great but he is getting some better. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi , Fair weather friend is the last thing I'd call you! is routinely negative for blood despite having slightly elevated urine protein This was true even when he was spilling a moderate amount of protein (but not when he was doing massive spills). I think the mechanisms are very different. Proteinuria involves membrane permiability and hematuria might involve other factors. I'm fuzzy on specifics here, so don't quote me. Sounds like you've had your hands full with L and L. I winced when you said " recovering from 6th grade " . I remember how completely disasterous 's 6th grade was! I hope Luke's recovery is as equally swift. Cy Re: spilling protein.... > Had to comment on the urine foam thing. When I had my son tested for urine > protein he came out of the lab bathroom with his cup of urine and it looked > like foam on a mug of beer. It really had me concerned. However, the urine > test was negative for protein. > > Now for another question, How is it possible to be spilling protein and not > blood. I have always tested in the large catagory for blood in urine. The > last few times it has been negative for blood but positive for protein. > > I feel like such a fair weather friend. I haven't been around much lately. > I am still recoverying from Luke's sixth grade year. Levi is still not > feeling great but he is getting some better. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Cy, Thanks for the information. I like to think that a negative for blood means things are improving. Maybe not but I believe in positive thinking. As for as sixth grade- it is one of those things that people tell you is a rough adjustment period but of course I thought " how hard can it be " Well, I was counting the days to summer along with Luke. It was especially difficult because Luke had attended a year round school before and was not used to the schedule. I realized today that I missed everyone here. I promised myself I would make more time to check in. PS I started training for my blackbelt again. After being so sick last year it was difficult to find the motivation to get in shape again. I am shooting for November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Cy, Thanks for the information. I like to think that a negative for blood means things are improving. Maybe not but I believe in positive thinking. As for as sixth grade- it is one of those things that people tell you is a rough adjustment period but of course I thought " how hard can it be " Well, I was counting the days to summer along with Luke. It was especially difficult because Luke had attended a year round school before and was not used to the schedule. I realized today that I missed everyone here. I promised myself I would make more time to check in. PS I started training for my blackbelt again. After being so sick last year it was difficult to find the motivation to get in shape again. I am shooting for November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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