Scope of practice

[Guest guest]

Mike, Maxine, Gene, etc.

I would love to see EMS prosper and grow and become so much more. Would the

Scope of practice really benefit EMS in the long run? No. I don't think so.

When limiting skills, procedures, meds etc. We are limiting the growth

potential of the Paramedics and EMT's out there. I think with this limitation

comes limits in funding. Who wants to pay more for a technician (limited scope

of practice person) than for a professional? If EMS wants to be a

profession it must not have limits placed upon it.

I was speaking to my brother (CPA) about this very issue. He pointed out

rightly so that the growth potential of professionals is limited only by the

individuals imagination. He as a CPA can pursue almost anything he desires as

a financial business. He as an individual can make recommendations to

clients or supervisors and change things based on education research and laws.

He

pointed out that if EMS is to be a profession it must allow its members to

grow unlimited except by the individuals imagination.

As far as finances go. We are not in a very good position. We have placed

our selves as a right to each and every citizen in the US regardless of

ability to pay. This allows people to believe that the Government (Fed, State,

Local) will foot the bill. The average education of the public is High School.

There they learn fundamental rights. among those they believe access to

health care means free health care. Do I believe that people should be refused

health care due to inability to pay? No. Do I believe they should pay? Oh

Yes. How do we get them too? I have no Idea. But money is the root of

problem in EMS. Or should I say the lack of Money is the root of the problem

in

EMS. By furthering our education will we make the money to pay us what we are

worth? Not if we limit the growth potential of EMS people.

As a side note. why not make the Advanced Practice Paramedic a Masters

Program? The Critical care Paramedic a Bachelors. And any one who wants to be

a

Paramedic has to have an associates as a minimum?

These ramblings are mine and mine alone. They serve no useful purpose other

than to make me think about the future of my career and well being. May God

hold you in his hand and humble your heart to make the world a better place.

Sincerely,

Tom LeNeveu

a simple and lowly paramedic

EMStock2004 was a RESOUNDING SUCCESS... Come See us Next year.

_www.emstock.com_ (http://www.emstock.com/)

_www.temsf.org_ (http://www.temsf.org/)

[Guest guest]

Mike, Maxine, Gene, etc.

I would love to see EMS prosper and grow and become so much more. Would the

Scope of practice really benefit EMS in the long run? No. I don't think so.

When limiting skills, procedures, meds etc. We are limiting the growth

potential of the Paramedics and EMT's out there. I think with this limitation

comes limits in funding. Who wants to pay more for a technician (limited scope

of practice person) than for a professional? If EMS wants to be a

profession it must not have limits placed upon it.

I was speaking to my brother (CPA) about this very issue. He pointed out

rightly so that the growth potential of professionals is limited only by the

individuals imagination. He as a CPA can pursue almost anything he desires as

a financial business. He as an individual can make recommendations to

clients or supervisors and change things based on education research and laws.

He

pointed out that if EMS is to be a profession it must allow its members to

grow unlimited except by the individuals imagination.

As far as finances go. We are not in a very good position. We have placed

our selves as a right to each and every citizen in the US regardless of

ability to pay. This allows people to believe that the Government (Fed, State,

Local) will foot the bill. The average education of the public is High School.

There they learn fundamental rights. among those they believe access to

health care means free health care. Do I believe that people should be refused

health care due to inability to pay? No. Do I believe they should pay? Oh

Yes. How do we get them too? I have no Idea. But money is the root of

problem in EMS. Or should I say the lack of Money is the root of the problem

in

EMS. By furthering our education will we make the money to pay us what we are

worth? Not if we limit the growth potential of EMS people.

As a side note. why not make the Advanced Practice Paramedic a Masters

Program? The Critical care Paramedic a Bachelors. And any one who wants to be

a

Paramedic has to have an associates as a minimum?

These ramblings are mine and mine alone. They serve no useful purpose other

than to make me think about the future of my career and well being. May God

hold you in his hand and humble your heart to make the world a better place.

Sincerely,

Tom LeNeveu

a simple and lowly paramedic

EMStock2004 was a RESOUNDING SUCCESS... Come See us Next year.

_www.emstock.com_ (http://www.emstock.com/)

_www.temsf.org_ (http://www.temsf.org/)

[Guest guest]

Mike, Maxine, Gene, etc.

I would love to see EMS prosper and grow and become so much more. Would the

Scope of practice really benefit EMS in the long run? No. I don't think so.

When limiting skills, procedures, meds etc. We are limiting the growth

potential of the Paramedics and EMT's out there. I think with this limitation

comes limits in funding. Who wants to pay more for a technician (limited scope

of practice person) than for a professional? If EMS wants to be a

profession it must not have limits placed upon it.

I was speaking to my brother (CPA) about this very issue. He pointed out

rightly so that the growth potential of professionals is limited only by the

individuals imagination. He as a CPA can pursue almost anything he desires as

a financial business. He as an individual can make recommendations to

clients or supervisors and change things based on education research and laws.

He

pointed out that if EMS is to be a profession it must allow its members to

grow unlimited except by the individuals imagination.

As far as finances go. We are not in a very good position. We have placed

our selves as a right to each and every citizen in the US regardless of

ability to pay. This allows people to believe that the Government (Fed, State,

Local) will foot the bill. The average education of the public is High School.

There they learn fundamental rights. among those they believe access to

health care means free health care. Do I believe that people should be refused

health care due to inability to pay? No. Do I believe they should pay? Oh

Yes. How do we get them too? I have no Idea. But money is the root of

problem in EMS. Or should I say the lack of Money is the root of the problem

in

EMS. By furthering our education will we make the money to pay us what we are

worth? Not if we limit the growth potential of EMS people.

As a side note. why not make the Advanced Practice Paramedic a Masters

Program? The Critical care Paramedic a Bachelors. And any one who wants to be

a

Paramedic has to have an associates as a minimum?

These ramblings are mine and mine alone. They serve no useful purpose other

than to make me think about the future of my career and well being. May God

hold you in his hand and humble your heart to make the world a better place.

Sincerely,

Tom LeNeveu

a simple and lowly paramedic

EMStock2004 was a RESOUNDING SUCCESS... Come See us Next year.

_www.emstock.com_ (http://www.emstock.com/)

_www.temsf.org_ (http://www.temsf.org/)

[Guest guest]

Good post Donn. After reading this it puts some meat back on the bone we are

chewing.

We all just need to chew together.

EMT-P, Retired

" D.E. (Donn) " wrote:

david.adler@... writes:

> Precisely right. It's funny how the docs and nurses seem to have

> intuitively understood this, and we still don't have a grasp on it.

Some years back a rather interesting fellow (Texan, of course) by the name

of Bob Kellow posited this perceived uniqueness to be the problem most

responsible for the lack of progress in EMS. Below is Bob's article in its

entirety. This is a good read.

Regards,

Donn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

~~ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo ~~

Don't Miss EMStock

www.EMStock.com

May 20 - 22, 2005

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Have you ever wondered why the EMS industry consistently fails to

develop, promote and achieve common objectives? Have you ever asked

yourself why there is so much conflict, divisiveness and parochialism in

EMS? I advance the following theory:

[The Illusion of Gorgeous Uniqueness] is the personal or organizational

belief that one's opinions, needs, abilities, structures, economies or

demographics are so unique, distinct or irreplaceable, that if the

person or organization were to disappear from the face of the planet

tomorrow, the future of EMS (indeed all of civilization) would be

irreversibly harmed.

In his landmark 1966 book entitled, " The Territorial Imperative " ,

Ardrey described territoriality (claiming exclusive rights over turf)

among similar and dissimilar animal populations. In this context, the

survival of a given species (the whole) is dependent on the ability of

its constituent members (like individuals) to identify, establish,

control and defend familiar boundaries. The like individuals appreciate

(genetically) that the survival of the species bears greater consequence

than the survival of any single or random grouping of like individuals.

The " Illusion " is a simple manifestation of human territoriality run

amuck, where our predisposition to create unique characteristics within

our EMS " species " has led to the destruction of our identicalness. That

is why there's not a single EMS identity, nor a rational strategy to

create one. It's also why EMS organizations are most often ineffective

and short-lived.

The " Illusion " promotes segregation and forces us to seek discreteness

(We vs. They), and is the antithesis of group identity. Perhaps this is

the result of three decades spent in the relentless pursuit of

acceptance and appreciation on the part of the public and our peers and

superiors in organized medicine. Who knows?

Regardless of the cause(s), today's EMS marketplace is so segmented and

driven by this " Illusion " that its constituent parts cannot be viewed as

a whole. We seem to be transfixed by the need to be different and to

defend our personal or organizational territories, even to the extent

that such behavior has and will continue to result in isolation and the

conspicuous loss of group identity - along with the inherent negative

consequences associated with same.

We are what we do - not who we work for. Imagine what it would be like

to attend a Texas EMS Conference where the wearing of duty uniforms and

all references to organizational affiliations was prohibited. Oh my God,

who and what would we then be? See my point? We would be forced to

confront our identicalness and common characteristics, rather than

strut, posture and impose ourselves along organizational lines. What if

we chose instead to ignore the " means to the end " , and see ourselves as

medical practitioners, who are organized around, and participants in a

growing body of scientific knowledge?

Somewhere along the way we have managed to suppress the gene at allows

us to recognize and work cooperatively with those of our own species.

This has resulted in our collective inability to identify, establish,

control and defend our boundaries, thereby leaving us susceptible to

influence by everyone and everything external to EMS.

In comparison to the rest of the animal kingdom, aren't we supposed to

be smarter than this?

Bob Kellow

[Guest guest]

Good post Donn. After reading this it puts some meat back on the bone we are

chewing.

We all just need to chew together.

EMT-P, Retired

" D.E. (Donn) " wrote:

david.adler@... writes:

> Precisely right. It's funny how the docs and nurses seem to have

> intuitively understood this, and we still don't have a grasp on it.

Some years back a rather interesting fellow (Texan, of course) by the name

of Bob Kellow posited this perceived uniqueness to be the problem most

responsible for the lack of progress in EMS. Below is Bob's article in its

entirety. This is a good read.

Regards,

Donn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

~~ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo ~~

Don't Miss EMStock

www.EMStock.com

May 20 - 22, 2005

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Have you ever wondered why the EMS industry consistently fails to

develop, promote and achieve common objectives? Have you ever asked

yourself why there is so much conflict, divisiveness and parochialism in

EMS? I advance the following theory:

[The Illusion of Gorgeous Uniqueness] is the personal or organizational

belief that one's opinions, needs, abilities, structures, economies or

demographics are so unique, distinct or irreplaceable, that if the

person or organization were to disappear from the face of the planet

tomorrow, the future of EMS (indeed all of civilization) would be

irreversibly harmed.

In his landmark 1966 book entitled, " The Territorial Imperative " ,

Ardrey described territoriality (claiming exclusive rights over turf)

among similar and dissimilar animal populations. In this context, the

survival of a given species (the whole) is dependent on the ability of

its constituent members (like individuals) to identify, establish,

control and defend familiar boundaries. The like individuals appreciate

(genetically) that the survival of the species bears greater consequence

than the survival of any single or random grouping of like individuals.

The " Illusion " is a simple manifestation of human territoriality run

amuck, where our predisposition to create unique characteristics within

our EMS " species " has led to the destruction of our identicalness. That

is why there's not a single EMS identity, nor a rational strategy to

create one. It's also why EMS organizations are most often ineffective

and short-lived.

The " Illusion " promotes segregation and forces us to seek discreteness

(We vs. They), and is the antithesis of group identity. Perhaps this is

the result of three decades spent in the relentless pursuit of

acceptance and appreciation on the part of the public and our peers and

superiors in organized medicine. Who knows?

Regardless of the cause(s), today's EMS marketplace is so segmented and

driven by this " Illusion " that its constituent parts cannot be viewed as

a whole. We seem to be transfixed by the need to be different and to

defend our personal or organizational territories, even to the extent

that such behavior has and will continue to result in isolation and the

conspicuous loss of group identity - along with the inherent negative

consequences associated with same.

We are what we do - not who we work for. Imagine what it would be like

to attend a Texas EMS Conference where the wearing of duty uniforms and

all references to organizational affiliations was prohibited. Oh my God,

who and what would we then be? See my point? We would be forced to

confront our identicalness and common characteristics, rather than

strut, posture and impose ourselves along organizational lines. What if

we chose instead to ignore the " means to the end " , and see ourselves as

medical practitioners, who are organized around, and participants in a

growing body of scientific knowledge?

Somewhere along the way we have managed to suppress the gene at allows

us to recognize and work cooperatively with those of our own species.

This has resulted in our collective inability to identify, establish,

control and defend our boundaries, thereby leaving us susceptible to

influence by everyone and everything external to EMS.

In comparison to the rest of the animal kingdom, aren't we supposed to

be smarter than this?

Bob Kellow

[Guest guest]

Good post Donn. After reading this it puts some meat back on the bone we are

chewing.

We all just need to chew together.

EMT-P, Retired

" D.E. (Donn) " wrote:

david.adler@... writes:

> Precisely right. It's funny how the docs and nurses seem to have

> intuitively understood this, and we still don't have a grasp on it.

Some years back a rather interesting fellow (Texan, of course) by the name

of Bob Kellow posited this perceived uniqueness to be the problem most

responsible for the lack of progress in EMS. Below is Bob's article in its

entirety. This is a good read.

Regards,

Donn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P

~~ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo ~~

Don't Miss EMStock

www.EMStock.com

May 20 - 22, 2005

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Have you ever wondered why the EMS industry consistently fails to

develop, promote and achieve common objectives? Have you ever asked

yourself why there is so much conflict, divisiveness and parochialism in

EMS? I advance the following theory:

[The Illusion of Gorgeous Uniqueness] is the personal or organizational

belief that one's opinions, needs, abilities, structures, economies or

demographics are so unique, distinct or irreplaceable, that if the

person or organization were to disappear from the face of the planet

tomorrow, the future of EMS (indeed all of civilization) would be

irreversibly harmed.

In his landmark 1966 book entitled, " The Territorial Imperative " ,

Ardrey described territoriality (claiming exclusive rights over turf)

among similar and dissimilar animal populations. In this context, the

survival of a given species (the whole) is dependent on the ability of

its constituent members (like individuals) to identify, establish,

control and defend familiar boundaries. The like individuals appreciate

(genetically) that the survival of the species bears greater consequence

than the survival of any single or random grouping of like individuals.

The " Illusion " is a simple manifestation of human territoriality run

amuck, where our predisposition to create unique characteristics within

our EMS " species " has led to the destruction of our identicalness. That

is why there's not a single EMS identity, nor a rational strategy to

create one. It's also why EMS organizations are most often ineffective

and short-lived.

The " Illusion " promotes segregation and forces us to seek discreteness

(We vs. They), and is the antithesis of group identity. Perhaps this is

the result of three decades spent in the relentless pursuit of

acceptance and appreciation on the part of the public and our peers and

superiors in organized medicine. Who knows?

Regardless of the cause(s), today's EMS marketplace is so segmented and

driven by this " Illusion " that its constituent parts cannot be viewed as

a whole. We seem to be transfixed by the need to be different and to

defend our personal or organizational territories, even to the extent

that such behavior has and will continue to result in isolation and the

conspicuous loss of group identity - along with the inherent negative

consequences associated with same.

We are what we do - not who we work for. Imagine what it would be like

to attend a Texas EMS Conference where the wearing of duty uniforms and

all references to organizational affiliations was prohibited. Oh my God,

who and what would we then be? See my point? We would be forced to

confront our identicalness and common characteristics, rather than

strut, posture and impose ourselves along organizational lines. What if

we chose instead to ignore the " means to the end " , and see ourselves as

medical practitioners, who are organized around, and participants in a

growing body of scientific knowledge?

Somewhere along the way we have managed to suppress the gene at allows

us to recognize and work cooperatively with those of our own species.

This has resulted in our collective inability to identify, establish,

control and defend our boundaries, thereby leaving us susceptible to

influence by everyone and everything external to EMS.

In comparison to the rest of the animal kingdom, aren't we supposed to

be smarter than this?

Bob Kellow

[Guest guest]

To all,

I am normally silent on this list, but I have some questions/

concerns with the new NSoP's. I feel the higher education issues are

important, but not without hurting the community if this goes through

as is. I feel that before this actually goes through, why not do a

survey to see how many actual " Advanced Practice Paramedics " we will

have the day it goes through. It would not be good for the community

if let say 10 medics in the State of Texas had the required training

to be at the " advanced level " . I work offshore, as it is now, I would

not be one of those. Most of the ones I know that work offshore would

be in the same category as me. From what I understand of this NSoP,

we would have to be " Advanced Practice Paramedics " to do what we are

doing now. If that is the case, there would be very little, if any,

that would be able to work offshore. How many would there be in the

streets? How long would it take for those of us that are

not " educated enough " to get there? How long would the community

suffer without " Advanced Practice Paramedics " , that they would have

to wait for, to do what we are doing as of today? Why not give the

ones that are in the field a certain time period, to get " educated

enough " , to become " Advanced Practice Paramedics " ? If they push this

through, are they going to give us grants to cover our pay while we

take time off to go to school? Everyone knows we can not afford to

take off work, with the wages we are paid. I work 6 weeks out then I

am off for 2 weeks before I repeat. When would I even get to go to

school? As far as internet courses, it depends on where we are, the

weather and etc. if we even get satelite signal to maybe do online

courses. I can not base my schooling on what the weather might be for

that day. If we have the NSoP's, why do we need Medical Directors

anymore? They are going to tell us what we can do or not do anyway. I

am sorry for rambling on. I am just worried about my career, my

fellow medics and this is all just confusing to me. Hopefully some

one out there can ease my mind.

Rupp EMT-P

(All my thoughts are of my own)

[Guest guest]

To all,

I am normally silent on this list, but I have some questions/

concerns with the new NSoP's. I feel the higher education issues are

important, but not without hurting the community if this goes through

as is. I feel that before this actually goes through, why not do a

survey to see how many actual " Advanced Practice Paramedics " we will

have the day it goes through. It would not be good for the community

if let say 10 medics in the State of Texas had the required training

to be at the " advanced level " . I work offshore, as it is now, I would

not be one of those. Most of the ones I know that work offshore would

be in the same category as me. From what I understand of this NSoP,

we would have to be " Advanced Practice Paramedics " to do what we are

doing now. If that is the case, there would be very little, if any,

that would be able to work offshore. How many would there be in the

streets? How long would it take for those of us that are

not " educated enough " to get there? How long would the community

suffer without " Advanced Practice Paramedics " , that they would have

to wait for, to do what we are doing as of today? Why not give the

ones that are in the field a certain time period, to get " educated

enough " , to become " Advanced Practice Paramedics " ? If they push this

through, are they going to give us grants to cover our pay while we

take time off to go to school? Everyone knows we can not afford to

take off work, with the wages we are paid. I work 6 weeks out then I

am off for 2 weeks before I repeat. When would I even get to go to

school? As far as internet courses, it depends on where we are, the

weather and etc. if we even get satelite signal to maybe do online

courses. I can not base my schooling on what the weather might be for

that day. If we have the NSoP's, why do we need Medical Directors

anymore? They are going to tell us what we can do or not do anyway. I

am sorry for rambling on. I am just worried about my career, my

fellow medics and this is all just confusing to me. Hopefully some

one out there can ease my mind.

Rupp EMT-P

(All my thoughts are of my own)

[Guest guest]

To all,

I am normally silent on this list, but I have some questions/

concerns with the new NSoP's. I feel the higher education issues are

important, but not without hurting the community if this goes through

as is. I feel that before this actually goes through, why not do a

survey to see how many actual " Advanced Practice Paramedics " we will

have the day it goes through. It would not be good for the community

if let say 10 medics in the State of Texas had the required training

to be at the " advanced level " . I work offshore, as it is now, I would

not be one of those. Most of the ones I know that work offshore would

be in the same category as me. From what I understand of this NSoP,

we would have to be " Advanced Practice Paramedics " to do what we are

doing now. If that is the case, there would be very little, if any,

that would be able to work offshore. How many would there be in the

streets? How long would it take for those of us that are

not " educated enough " to get there? How long would the community

suffer without " Advanced Practice Paramedics " , that they would have

to wait for, to do what we are doing as of today? Why not give the

ones that are in the field a certain time period, to get " educated

enough " , to become " Advanced Practice Paramedics " ? If they push this

through, are they going to give us grants to cover our pay while we

take time off to go to school? Everyone knows we can not afford to

take off work, with the wages we are paid. I work 6 weeks out then I

am off for 2 weeks before I repeat. When would I even get to go to

school? As far as internet courses, it depends on where we are, the

weather and etc. if we even get satelite signal to maybe do online

courses. I can not base my schooling on what the weather might be for

that day. If we have the NSoP's, why do we need Medical Directors

anymore? They are going to tell us what we can do or not do anyway. I

am sorry for rambling on. I am just worried about my career, my

fellow medics and this is all just confusing to me. Hopefully some

one out there can ease my mind.

Rupp EMT-P

(All my thoughts are of my own)

[Guest guest]

I have not all but a good many of the posts concerning

the scope of practice issue.

This has a similar parallel with the current Homeland Security

Grant funds and the COGS that administer them. These funds

are built around the major populace areas and will be phasing out

those populations of less than 25,000. Their big push is interoperable

communications or 700, 800, or 900 mHz. FCC and the COG wants us there

but will not give funding to make it happen.

I went to El Paso by way of Omaha to ask this, if your not a big city,

highly populated county or ESD, who is going to fund the implementation

of the SOP? If it is not funded, it will not happen. I point to the LP

implementation. The only changes in pay were those entities that have

the funds, other than that, your still paid as a paramedic, cert or LP.

Sorry, but unless it is a funded mandate for those who do not have, it

will not happen.

" Chuck "

Colorado County EMS

[Guest guest]

I have not all but a good many of the posts concerning

the scope of practice issue.

This has a similar parallel with the current Homeland Security

Grant funds and the COGS that administer them. These funds

are built around the major populace areas and will be phasing out

those populations of less than 25,000. Their big push is interoperable

communications or 700, 800, or 900 mHz. FCC and the COG wants us there

but will not give funding to make it happen.

I went to El Paso by way of Omaha to ask this, if your not a big city,

highly populated county or ESD, who is going to fund the implementation

of the SOP? If it is not funded, it will not happen. I point to the LP

implementation. The only changes in pay were those entities that have

the funds, other than that, your still paid as a paramedic, cert or LP.

Sorry, but unless it is a funded mandate for those who do not have, it

will not happen.

" Chuck "

Colorado County EMS

[Guest guest]

> Doesn't a tiered system open one up for liability (i.e. why did I

get a Level 1 and a Level 2 Paramedic, when my neighbor got a Level 2

and a Level 4 Paramedic)?

I don't see the correlation. So you're saying if I go to the ER and

only see the emergency physician, he's opening himself up to liability

because he didn't consult the neurologist, orthopedist, cardiologist,

pulmonologist, radiologist, etc? Doesn't make sense. Every patient

has specific needs.

> The DFW area has seen a dramatic decrease in the number of

Paramedics that complete the process now that it has changed from a

6-9 month program to a 14-16 month program. I may be mistaken, but I

understand that the schools have approximately 4-6 people complete the

programs now....I'm sure that would change dramatically if you had to

have a 4 year degree to become a Paramedic.

I'm not surprised at those statistics. Here in South Texas, there was

an amazing pass rate for paramedics when all that was required was the

state test. Now with the national registry, there was some initial

trouble in getting students to pass, but from what I hear, it's

getting better.

As far as your comment about the Advanced Practice Paramedic, you're

probably right, but it's not an isolated incident. The news has been

ranting and raving over the past few years that there's a shortage of

nurses. Down here in South Texas, it's a shortage of physicians.

-aro

[Guest guest]

everyone talks about how where they work doesn't have enough money to support

the new qualifications of the new SOP's. the topic that i am always told to look

at is whether you work for a private company or for a county service, look at

where the money is going. if you look at all the calls you do in a year(the

company i work for is already 184,000+) and then look at where the incoming

money is being spent. if the two don't add up, then you know if your comp[any

is, not necessary capable, but willing to spend the money on you advancing to a

4 yr degree and the new SOP's. just another $0.02 piece of my mind.

[Guest guest]

everyone talks about how where they work doesn't have enough money to support

the new qualifications of the new SOP's. the topic that i am always told to look

at is whether you work for a private company or for a county service, look at

where the money is going. if you look at all the calls you do in a year(the

company i work for is already 184,000+) and then look at where the incoming

money is being spent. if the two don't add up, then you know if your comp[any

is, not necessary capable, but willing to spend the money on you advancing to a

4 yr degree and the new SOP's. just another $0.02 piece of my mind.