Re: Damage from IV chelation

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I didn't

> know any better and stupidly trusted the doctor.

Have you stopped this for good? IV chelation is a bad idea, EDTA

is a bad idea if you have mercury, and usually one chelator is

sufficient.

Frequent, low, oral dosing of chelators works much better and

is vastly safer.

> I had terrible side effects and had to stop. Most of these are now

> gone.The one that remains and that really concerns me is the fact that

> when I exert myself doing daily activities my muscles can really

> ache/almost feel brittle,I can even feel the " chills " or get slighly

> feverish. I have just checked my kidneys and my liver and they are

> fine.

If you checked your liver and kidneys with standard blood tests

(such as a metabolic panel), all it means is they are not on the

verge of failure. It does not mean they are fine.

> Anyone got any ideas on what is still wrong with me?

IV chelation redistributes metals. This means it pulls a lot of

metals from where they are lodged in the body, some of this is

excreted, and the remainder (most of it) is dropped in a new

location causing more damage and symptoms.

Start reading through the Files and Links to get more familiar

with the frequent, low dose protocol. Consider getting Andy

Cutler's books:

http://www.noamalgam.com

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

There is lots of good help in this group.

--

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I didn't

> know any better and stupidly trusted the doctor.

Have you stopped this for good? IV chelation is a bad idea, EDTA

is a bad idea if you have mercury, and usually one chelator is

sufficient.

Frequent, low, oral dosing of chelators works much better and

is vastly safer.

> I had terrible side effects and had to stop. Most of these are now

> gone.The one that remains and that really concerns me is the fact that

> when I exert myself doing daily activities my muscles can really

> ache/almost feel brittle,I can even feel the " chills " or get slighly

> feverish. I have just checked my kidneys and my liver and they are

> fine.

If you checked your liver and kidneys with standard blood tests

(such as a metabolic panel), all it means is they are not on the

verge of failure. It does not mean they are fine.

> Anyone got any ideas on what is still wrong with me?

IV chelation redistributes metals. This means it pulls a lot of

metals from where they are lodged in the body, some of this is

excreted, and the remainder (most of it) is dropped in a new

location causing more damage and symptoms.

Start reading through the Files and Links to get more familiar

with the frequent, low dose protocol. Consider getting Andy

Cutler's books:

http://www.noamalgam.com

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

There is lots of good help in this group.

--

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I

didn't

> know any better and stupidly trusted the doctor.

>

> I had terrible side effects and had to stop. Most of these are now

> gone.The one that remains and that really concerns me is the fact

that

> when I exert myself doing daily activities my muscles can really

> ache/almost feel brittle,I can even feel the " chills " or get slighly

> feverish.

I have just checked my kidneys and my liver and they are

> fine.

TK--- did you actually go over the tests yourself or are you just

taking the doctors opinion ?

>

> Anyone got any ideas on what is still wrong with me?

TK--- you redistributed a lot of Hg doing the above, this causes side

effects and damage.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I did go over the test myself,compared them to the tests I did before

the chelation,nothing had changed for the worse.Luckily I was doing

IV vit c at the time. I wonder if one of minerals have been severly

depelted, maybe I don't have adequate gutathione.Possibly the mercury

was binding a virus that was released with the chelation ???

Gavin

> >

> > Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I

> didn't

> > know any better and stupidly trusted the doctor.

> >

> > I had terrible side effects and had to stop. Most of these are

now

> > gone.The one that remains and that really concerns me is the fact

> that

> > when I exert myself doing daily activities my muscles can really

> > ache/almost feel brittle,I can even feel the " chills " or get

slighly

> > feverish.

>

>

> I have just checked my kidneys and my liver and they are

> > fine.

>

>

> TK--- did you actually go over the tests yourself or are you just

> taking the doctors opinion ?

>

>

> >

> > Anyone got any ideas on what is still wrong with me?

>

>

> TK--- you redistributed a lot of Hg doing the above, this causes

side

> effects and damage.

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I did go over the test myself,compared them to the tests I did before

the chelation,nothing had changed for the worse.Luckily I was doing

IV vit c at the time. I wonder if one of minerals have been severly

depelted, maybe I don't have adequate gutathione.Possibly the mercury

was binding a virus that was released with the chelation ???

Gavin

> >

> > Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I

> didn't

> > know any better and stupidly trusted the doctor.

> >

> > I had terrible side effects and had to stop. Most of these are

now

> > gone.The one that remains and that really concerns me is the fact

> that

> > when I exert myself doing daily activities my muscles can really

> > ache/almost feel brittle,I can even feel the " chills " or get

slighly

> > feverish.

>

>

> I have just checked my kidneys and my liver and they are

> > fine.

>

>

> TK--- did you actually go over the tests yourself or are you just

> taking the doctors opinion ?

>

>

> >

> > Anyone got any ideas on what is still wrong with me?

>

>

> TK--- you redistributed a lot of Hg doing the above, this causes

side

> effects and damage.

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I did go over the test myself,compared them to the tests I did before

the chelation,nothing had changed for the worse.Luckily I was doing

IV vit c at the time. I wonder if one of minerals have been severly

depelted, maybe I don't have adequate gutathione.Possibly the mercury

was binding a virus that was released with the chelation ???

Gavin

> >

> > Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I

> didn't

> > know any better and stupidly trusted the doctor.

> >

> > I had terrible side effects and had to stop. Most of these are

now

> > gone.The one that remains and that really concerns me is the fact

> that

> > when I exert myself doing daily activities my muscles can really

> > ache/almost feel brittle,I can even feel the " chills " or get

slighly

> > feverish.

>

>

> I have just checked my kidneys and my liver and they are

> > fine.

>

>

> TK--- did you actually go over the tests yourself or are you just

> taking the doctors opinion ?

>

>

> >

> > Anyone got any ideas on what is still wrong with me?

>

>

> TK--- you redistributed a lot of Hg doing the above, this causes

side

> effects and damage.

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and

dmsa.I

> > didn't

> > > know any better and stupidly trusted the doctor.

> > >

> > > I had terrible side effects and had to stop. Most of these are

> now

> > > gone.The one that remains and that really concerns me is the

fact

> > that

> > > when I exert myself doing daily activities my muscles can

really

> > > ache/almost feel brittle,I can even feel the " chills " or get

> slighly

> > > feverish.

> >

> >

> > I have just checked my kidneys and my liver and they are

> > > fine.

> >

> >

> > TK--- did you actually go over the tests yourself or are you

just

> > taking the doctors opinion ?

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Anyone got any ideas on what is still wrong with me?

> >

> >

> > TK--- you redistributed a lot of Hg doing the above, this causes

> side

> > effects and damage.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I need to start using some EDTA to help clear my arteries. I will be doing

it orally in the form of Caysine (EDTA) and NOT by IV.

Yes, yes, I know EDTA contraindicated, but my heart failure is rapidly and

consistently progressing to where I fear for my life, and I can't do much

anymore. I have been taking all the other recommended heart supplements,

and they seems to do very little, or at least nothing that I can notice.

Things are ony getting worse, and this has been progressing for many years

now.

I have been chelating with DMSA for 2 1/2 years, and for about 1 1/2 years

have been adding very small amounts of ALA (I can't tolereate much)My

outward mercury symptoms are greatly improved, but the heart keeps getting

worse and worse at a steady pace.

Are there any kinds of safeguards that might help make the EDTA a little

less damaging to use? For instance, what would happen if I took the EDTA

ONLY at the same time as chelating with DMSA? Would this possibly have

some kind of negetive interaction, or would it instead, provide some

amount of safeguard against redistribition?

I have tried to ask Andy but got no response.

Sorry to put you on the spot about this, but it has become beyond serious

and I have to do something, and do it QUICK, and yet, want to hopefully

have as few reprocushions as possible.

Thanks for any suggestions.

~Inga

I will>

>>

>> Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I know

any better and stupidly trusted the doctor. I had terrible side effects

and had to stop. .............

...........

> TK--- you redistributed a lot of Hg doing the above, this causes side

> effects and damage.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Inga,

>

> I don't have any insights about whether to do EDTA with or without

> DMSA. Will let you know if I think of anything.

>

> In case you don't have the HTI book, I can offer you Andy's

> recommendations on how to increase EDTA dose to prevent nausea.

IM>>>>>>>Thanks. I have the Hair test Book and the Amalgam Illness

book...but I just loaned them out to a gal with MS, so thank you.

=======================

> He says if you start to high, you will get a lot of this. So

> start with 1/4 mg per pound and double the dose every couple

> of days until you reach 5-10 mg per pound. By working up

> gradually, you will develop tolerance and prevent the nausea.

IM>>>>>>>Well, I never had an nausea withthe IV's but this going to be

oral. SO am I understanding that he is okay with EDTA now, in certain

circumstances???

========================

>

> I think you'll need more mineral supplementation with EDTA -

> it pulls *everything*. Cal and mag balance is important for

> heart function.

IM>>>>>>>>You are right,I think. My initial plan is to supplement at

night, and do the drops during the day. It might take longer that way, but

I don't want to make myself sicker trying to get well-er. I just talked to

the inventor of the Angioprim and am very optimistic......his story is

that he died twice on the table in heart surgery, and he is still here

which is encouraging.

Thanks for your support. I will let you all know how it goes....

Crossing my fingers in prayer,

Inga

>

> Many healing wishes,

> --

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Inga,

> >

> > I don't have any insights about whether to do EDTA with or without

> > DMSA. Will let you know if I think of anything.

> >

> > In case you don't have the HTI book, I can offer you Andy's

> > recommendations on how to increase EDTA dose to prevent nausea.

>

> IM>>>>>>>Thanks. I have the Hair test Book and the Amalgam Illness

> book...but I just loaned them out to a gal with MS, so thank you.

> =======================

>

> > He says if you start to high, you will get a lot of this. So

> > start with 1/4 mg per pound and double the dose every couple

> > of days until you reach 5-10 mg per pound. By working up

> > gradually, you will develop tolerance and prevent the nausea.

>

> IM>>>>>>>Well, I never had an nausea withthe IV's but this going to be

> oral. SO am I understanding that he is okay with EDTA now, in certain

> circumstances???

In HTI, Andy classifies EDTA in the same category as chlorella,

as something never to be used with mercury toxic people. (p. 246)

The only circumstances I have heard him say that EDTA might

possibly be used in a mercury toxic person is if the person

absolutely cannot, under any conditions, tolerate DMSA.

I do not know what he would say about a mercury toxic person

with arterial plaques. Do you actually have a dx of this,

or are you supposing it based on symptoms??

> ========================

> >

> > I think you'll need more mineral supplementation with EDTA -

> > it pulls *everything*. Cal and mag balance is important for

> > heart function.

>

> IM>>>>>>>>You are right,I think. My initial plan is to supplement at

> night, and do the drops during the day. It might take longer that

way, but

> I don't want to make myself sicker trying to get well-er. I just

talked to

> the inventor of the Angioprim and am very optimistic......his story is

> that he died twice on the table in heart surgery, and he is still here

> which is encouraging.

Was he mercury toxic?

--

> Thanks for your support. I will let you all know how it goes....

> Crossing my fingers in prayer,

> Inga

> >

> > Many healing wishes,

> > --

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Inga,

> >

> > I don't have any insights about whether to do EDTA with or without

> > DMSA. Will let you know if I think of anything.

> >

> > In case you don't have the HTI book, I can offer you Andy's

> > recommendations on how to increase EDTA dose to prevent nausea.

>

> IM>>>>>>>Thanks. I have the Hair test Book and the Amalgam Illness

> book...but I just loaned them out to a gal with MS, so thank you.

> =======================

>

> > He says if you start to high, you will get a lot of this. So

> > start with 1/4 mg per pound and double the dose every couple

> > of days until you reach 5-10 mg per pound. By working up

> > gradually, you will develop tolerance and prevent the nausea.

>

> IM>>>>>>>Well, I never had an nausea withthe IV's but this going to be

> oral. SO am I understanding that he is okay with EDTA now, in certain

> circumstances???

In HTI, Andy classifies EDTA in the same category as chlorella,

as something never to be used with mercury toxic people. (p. 246)

The only circumstances I have heard him say that EDTA might

possibly be used in a mercury toxic person is if the person

absolutely cannot, under any conditions, tolerate DMSA.

I do not know what he would say about a mercury toxic person

with arterial plaques. Do you actually have a dx of this,

or are you supposing it based on symptoms??

> ========================

> >

> > I think you'll need more mineral supplementation with EDTA -

> > it pulls *everything*. Cal and mag balance is important for

> > heart function.

>

> IM>>>>>>>>You are right,I think. My initial plan is to supplement at

> night, and do the drops during the day. It might take longer that

way, but

> I don't want to make myself sicker trying to get well-er. I just

talked to

> the inventor of the Angioprim and am very optimistic......his story is

> that he died twice on the table in heart surgery, and he is still here

> which is encouraging.

Was he mercury toxic?

--

> Thanks for your support. I will let you all know how it goes....

> Crossing my fingers in prayer,

> Inga

> >

> > Many healing wishes,

> > --

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Are you taking Quercetin? This is the most important bioflavinoid and the main

reason for the " French Paradox " . Some info out there about it de-activating the

cold sore virus, that there is mounting evidence of being behind a lot of heart

disease.

RO

Re: Re: Damage from IV chelation

I need to start using some EDTA to help clear my arteries. I will be doing

it orally in the form of Caysine (EDTA) and NOT by IV.

Yes, yes, I know EDTA contraindicated, but my heart failure is rapidly and

consistently progressing to where I fear for my life, and I can't do much

anymore. I have been taking all the other recommended heart supplements,

and they seems to do very little, or at least nothing that I can notice.

Things are ony getting worse, and this has been progressing for many years

now.

I have been chelating with DMSA for 2 1/2 years, and for about 1 1/2 years

have been adding very small amounts of ALA (I can't tolereate much)My

outward mercury symptoms are greatly improved, but the heart keeps getting

worse and worse at a steady pace.

Are there any kinds of safeguards that might help make the EDTA a little

less damaging to use? For instance, what would happen if I took the EDTA

ONLY at the same time as chelating with DMSA? Would this possibly have

some kind of negetive interaction, or would it instead, provide some

amount of safeguard against redistribition?

I have tried to ask Andy but got no response.

Sorry to put you on the spot about this, but it has become beyond serious

and I have to do something, and do it QUICK, and yet, want to hopefully

have as few reprocushions as possible.

Thanks for any suggestions.

~Inga

I will>

>>

>> Hi,over 2 months ago I was doing Iv dmps and Iv Edta and dmsa.I know

any better and stupidly trusted the doctor. I had terrible side effects

and had to stop. .............

..........

> TK--- you redistributed a lot of Hg doing the above, this causes side

> effects and damage.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>