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Hi,

The best thing I've read, the most helpful and compassionate was a

book called " Recovery Options " by Joeseph Volpicelli and Maia

Szalavitz. While this book isn't overtly negative to AA, it does

include important criticisms of AA and AA-based treatment centers.

It also includes extensive resources and is how I found this list.

There is more out there than just RR and AA and this is the only book

I've ever seen that had a balanced presentation of the options. One

thing that was helpful to me was understanding the phases of change:

precontemplation, contemplation, preparation, action, maintenance

(possibly relapse) and termination. These are the phases people go

through in making any kind of major change, and there's a little bit

different strategy to use in each.

The author writes: " In selecting any nonemergency treatment, a

crucial question to ask is what stage of change are you in. If you

are in precontemplation or contemplation and haven't decided for

yourself that your use needs to stop, entering an action-oriented

program can do more harm than good. Your loved ones may try to push

you to shoot for abstinence immediately, but if you truly don't

believe that this is right for you or aren't genuinely convinced that

you have drug problem, you should probably start with a program

designed for people with these questions. "

I can't find the quote now, but one thing he says in here is to keep

trying! Many many people have struggled with it, seemingly

unsuccessfully, until they finally were able to bring about the

changes they needed to. People who try are more successful than

people who don't try.

Maybe you just haven't hit on the right combo that makes sense to

you. For me, AA didn't work mainly because I didn't like and/or

believe in the Higher Power notions, and other issues. I don't

believe in total abstinence, so RR didn't work either. I went to a

Smart Recovery meeting tonight and really enjoyed it. No one

criticized me when I said that total abstinence was not my goal at

this time, and,

Aaaaaaaah, no Lord's Prayer at the end.

Good luck to you!

> Hello,

>

> I read RR and was trying to implement it in my life.

> Well I ended up drinking. I know AA doesnt work for me but I m

worried

> because it seems nothing does. What I dont buy about RR is:

nutrition doesnt

> matter, it doesnt matter what your socio-economic class is (most

addicted

> people are low income level).

>

> Im confused, and I hope this question doesnt offend anyone but Im

wondering

> if it is true that some of us are more late stage than others. I

mean Ive

> been drinking on and off for over half of my life and all it has

done in the

> last 9 years is cause me pain.

>

> Why would I drink again? Its like I cant stop myself once I feel

that

> intense urge to drink. Im confuseed though because I dont buy the

whole AA

> concept that im just selfish and self-centered. I know better than

to drink

> but why cant I stop? I blackout ive lost my license for 4 years, I

almost

> got kicked out of my apt for turning the music so loud I want to

quit but I

> cant seem to. In the past Ive put myself in inpatient tx centers

to dry out.

> But I need to do this out of institutions or I will never be able

to.

>

> Have any of the people on here had their lives turned upside down

from

> alcohol? If so how did you stay sober? All suggestion are welcome.

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Hi ,

Im gonna get that book. One question though, do you get out of control when

you drink or can you manage. Get back to me and let me know if you dont

mind.

>From: ahicks@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: To GrahJAG, Re: RR/AA

>Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 07:38:15 -0000

>

>Hi,

>

>The best thing I've read, the most helpful and compassionate was a

>book called " Recovery Options " by Joeseph Volpicelli and Maia

>Szalavitz. While this book isn't overtly negative to AA, it does

>include important criticisms of AA and AA-based treatment centers.

>It also includes extensive resources and is how I found this list.

>

>There is more out there than just RR and AA and this is the only book

>I've ever seen that had a balanced presentation of the options. One

>thing that was helpful to me was understanding the phases of change:

>precontemplation, contemplation, preparation, action, maintenance

>(possibly relapse) and termination. These are the phases people go

>through in making any kind of major change, and there's a little bit

>different strategy to use in each.

>

>The author writes: " In selecting any nonemergency treatment, a

>crucial question to ask is what stage of change are you in. If you

>are in precontemplation or contemplation and haven't decided for

>yourself that your use needs to stop, entering an action-oriented

>program can do more harm than good. Your loved ones may try to push

>you to shoot for abstinence immediately, but if you truly don't

>believe that this is right for you or aren't genuinely convinced that

>you have drug problem, you should probably start with a program

>designed for people with these questions. "

>

>I can't find the quote now, but one thing he says in here is to keep

>trying! Many many people have struggled with it, seemingly

>unsuccessfully, until they finally were able to bring about the

>changes they needed to. People who try are more successful than

>people who don't try.

>

>Maybe you just haven't hit on the right combo that makes sense to

>you. For me, AA didn't work mainly because I didn't like and/or

>believe in the Higher Power notions, and other issues. I don't

>believe in total abstinence, so RR didn't work either. I went to a

>Smart Recovery meeting tonight and really enjoyed it. No one

>criticized me when I said that total abstinence was not my goal at

>this time, and,

>

>Aaaaaaaah, no Lord's Prayer at the end.

>

>Good luck to you!

>

>

>

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I read RR and was trying to implement it in my life.

> > Well I ended up drinking. I know AA doesnt work for me but I m

>worried

> > because it seems nothing does. What I dont buy about RR is:

>nutrition doesnt

> > matter, it doesnt matter what your socio-economic class is (most

>addicted

> > people are low income level).

> >

> > Im confused, and I hope this question doesnt offend anyone but Im

>wondering

> > if it is true that some of us are more late stage than others. I

>mean Ive

> > been drinking on and off for over half of my life and all it has

>done in the

> > last 9 years is cause me pain.

> >

> > Why would I drink again? Its like I cant stop myself once I feel

>that

> > intense urge to drink. Im confuseed though because I dont buy the

>whole AA

> > concept that im just selfish and self-centered. I know better than

>to drink

> > but why cant I stop? I blackout ive lost my license for 4 years, I

>almost

> > got kicked out of my apt for turning the music so loud I want to

>quit but I

> > cant seem to. In the past Ive put myself in inpatient tx centers

>to dry out.

> > But I need to do this out of institutions or I will never be able

>to.

> >

> > Have any of the people on here had their lives turned upside down

>from

> > alcohol? If so how did you stay sober? All suggestion are welcome.

>

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Hi ,

Im gonna get that book. One question though, do you get out of control when

you drink or can you manage. Get back to me and let me know if you dont

mind.

>From: ahicks@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: To GrahJAG, Re: RR/AA

>Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 07:38:15 -0000

>

>Hi,

>

>The best thing I've read, the most helpful and compassionate was a

>book called " Recovery Options " by Joeseph Volpicelli and Maia

>Szalavitz. While this book isn't overtly negative to AA, it does

>include important criticisms of AA and AA-based treatment centers.

>It also includes extensive resources and is how I found this list.

>

>There is more out there than just RR and AA and this is the only book

>I've ever seen that had a balanced presentation of the options. One

>thing that was helpful to me was understanding the phases of change:

>precontemplation, contemplation, preparation, action, maintenance

>(possibly relapse) and termination. These are the phases people go

>through in making any kind of major change, and there's a little bit

>different strategy to use in each.

>

>The author writes: " In selecting any nonemergency treatment, a

>crucial question to ask is what stage of change are you in. If you

>are in precontemplation or contemplation and haven't decided for

>yourself that your use needs to stop, entering an action-oriented

>program can do more harm than good. Your loved ones may try to push

>you to shoot for abstinence immediately, but if you truly don't

>believe that this is right for you or aren't genuinely convinced that

>you have drug problem, you should probably start with a program

>designed for people with these questions. "

>

>I can't find the quote now, but one thing he says in here is to keep

>trying! Many many people have struggled with it, seemingly

>unsuccessfully, until they finally were able to bring about the

>changes they needed to. People who try are more successful than

>people who don't try.

>

>Maybe you just haven't hit on the right combo that makes sense to

>you. For me, AA didn't work mainly because I didn't like and/or

>believe in the Higher Power notions, and other issues. I don't

>believe in total abstinence, so RR didn't work either. I went to a

>Smart Recovery meeting tonight and really enjoyed it. No one

>criticized me when I said that total abstinence was not my goal at

>this time, and,

>

>Aaaaaaaah, no Lord's Prayer at the end.

>

>Good luck to you!

>

>

>

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I read RR and was trying to implement it in my life.

> > Well I ended up drinking. I know AA doesnt work for me but I m

>worried

> > because it seems nothing does. What I dont buy about RR is:

>nutrition doesnt

> > matter, it doesnt matter what your socio-economic class is (most

>addicted

> > people are low income level).

> >

> > Im confused, and I hope this question doesnt offend anyone but Im

>wondering

> > if it is true that some of us are more late stage than others. I

>mean Ive

> > been drinking on and off for over half of my life and all it has

>done in the

> > last 9 years is cause me pain.

> >

> > Why would I drink again? Its like I cant stop myself once I feel

>that

> > intense urge to drink. Im confuseed though because I dont buy the

>whole AA

> > concept that im just selfish and self-centered. I know better than

>to drink

> > but why cant I stop? I blackout ive lost my license for 4 years, I

>almost

> > got kicked out of my apt for turning the music so loud I want to

>quit but I

> > cant seem to. In the past Ive put myself in inpatient tx centers

>to dry out.

> > But I need to do this out of institutions or I will never be able

>to.

> >

> > Have any of the people on here had their lives turned upside down

>from

> > alcohol? If so how did you stay sober? All suggestion are welcome.

>

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