Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 You know what they say: " Lies, damn lies and statistics " or another way: " Liars figure and figures lie " . My point is this, we can prove, disprove, support or go against any stance we choose by manipulating numbers. We all know that if the patient doesn't fit the criteria of the position you are trying to support you can simply say they did not meet the inclusion criteria. This particular research has a very small number (105 in 9 years) of patients in it. It doesn't take into account the multiple multiples that could be attributed to these numbers. An example, what do you suppose the percentage of success would be if the providers had the ability to employ some form of pharmacologically assisted intubation? Did the physicians in this study utilize meds?, if so then that would potentially explain the reason for the higher success rates among the doctors. What about looking at the number of pediatric trauma intubations were performed by the various providers? Could we improve the numbers by providing more experience in tertiary facilities with more numbers of these type of patients? I think that arbitrarily changing accepted pratice based on a single potentially biased low number study is pretty dangerous. Yes, 67% seems to be a very unacceptably low number, but, lets just put into the mix (which doesn't appear to be placed into the equation) that the 33% of the patients who could not be intubated was either too awake (intact gag) or had some type of injury/illness that precluded them from being successfully intubated without medication, wouldn't the numbers prove something different? The devils advocate Lee Re: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi Well put, Ben. That's exactly what I was trying to say, just worded much better -Allan > I believe that evidence based medicine (EBM) can be a valuable tool for paramedicine to evaluate and advance new clinical skills. I think it gives us an ability to argue with physicians in a language they understand and respect. Our occupation has evolved as a technical field, and is now becoming more academic and trying to assert itself as a profession, and performing and critically analysing research literature is something we are going to have to embrace if we want to continue onwards. > > The trouble with prehospital research is that there is very little data available, and much of that available data is of poor quality. Consider the recent vasopressin in asystole research that provided data of negligible value. The problem becomes, when we very little data to support an intervention and some weak data to refute it, do we act and say, " this is an intervention paramedics should not be performing in the field " out of fear for our patient's care, or do we wait cautiously and build a larger base of higher quality data. > > It seems that too often we react and restrict or remove a skill before clear and unequivocal data is published. Research is interpreted by physician groups within the biases of their preconceptions about paramedic skill and competency. Consider a service with an 84% intubation success rate using benzodiazepine-facilitated intubations, that is considering introducing an RSI protocol with succinylcholine. From this data, we can draw two conclusions: > > 1. Our paramedics intubation success rate is woefully poor, and we should not proceed with introducing succinylcholine, and perhaps consider withdrawing our benzodiazepine facilitated protocol, because our paramedics cannot intubate with a success rate comparable to ER physicians or anesthetists. > > OR > > 2. Our intubation success rate is low with benzodiazepine-facilitation, can we improve this success rate with the addition of succinylcholine, an improved training or QI program, or alternate airway adjuncts? > > Which of those conclusions are drawn by a physician control group is going to depend on their individual biases and preconceptions. > > I find that often researchers are too willing to draw the first conclusion than the second. > > Ben. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Lee: I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the bath water. But, the studies are starting to be multiple. The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense (such as intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How will we address this in the textbooks? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9;283(6):783-90. Related Articles, Links Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal intubation on survival and neurological outcome: a controlled clinical trial. Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, Goodrich SM, Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt FD, Seidel JS. Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, and Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for airway management of children in the out-of-hospital setting, despite a lack of controlled trials demonstrating a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological outcomes of pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask ventilation (BVM) with those of patients treated with BVM followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled clinical trial, in which patients were assigned to interventions by calendar day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical services (EMS) systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 consecutive patients aged 12 years or younger or estimated to weigh less than 40 kg who required airway management; 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: Patients were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = 410) or BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological status at discharge from an acute care hospital compared by treatment group. RESULTS: There was no significant difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], 0.82; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the rate of achieving a good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that already includes BVM did not improve survival or neurological outcome of pediatric patients treated in an urban EMS system. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Controlled Clinical Trial +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, Links Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury in children: a reappraisal. A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, Welborn C. Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 Lenox Ave, 10037 New York, NY, USA. Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital assisted ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) versus bag-valve-mask (BVM) in serious pediatric head injury. The National Pediatric Trauma Registry (NPTR-3) data set was analyzed to examine this question. NPTR-3 (n = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, transport mode, mortality rate, injury complications, procedure and equipment failure or complications, and functional outcome of seriously head-injured patients (n = 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; 83%) versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality rate was virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = 48%, BVM = 48%), although children receiving ETI were significantly older (P < .01), more often transported by helicopter (P < .01), and more often received intravenous fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury complications affecting nearly every body system or organ (except kidney, gut, and skin) occurred less often in children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < ..05). Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and functional outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no demonstrable survival or functional advantage when compared with prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital assisted ventilation in serious pediatric head injury. Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often among patients intubated in the field. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the San Diego experience. Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of California, San Diego Medical Center, San Diego, California 92103, USA. To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our paramedics, we performed a retrospective review of a prehospital computer database, quality assurance reviews, and prehospital run sheets for all patients under 15 years of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. During the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal and unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal placements were noted on arrival at the hospital, and one upon turn-over of patient care to a nurse of an aeromedical service. All three intubations were deemed esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients had been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the intubation. Of the 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% were endotracheal, while only 1% were unrecognized esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established EMS system has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal placements. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related Articles, Links Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure utilization and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines have suggested that advanced life support (ALS) providers should have " regular field experience, " defined as six to 12 intubations/year, as a prerequisite to patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors sought to assess the impact of this guideline on rural emergency medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS records were reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to perform ALS skills (including EI), number of procedures performed per year by EMS provider, patient age, gender, and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review board approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a total of 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an average of 1,352 ALS providers annually eligible to perform EI. In the five-year period, there were 5,615 total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers per year with a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible providers annually attempted EI in more than five patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI encounters occurred during the five-year period with an annual range of 1.4%-2.7% of eligible providers attempting pediatric EI. During the five-year investigation, EI success rate was reported as 84% by providers with fewer than five annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS providers rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in rural EMS settings, a small number of EMS providers will meet minimum EI utilization requirements. Publication Types: Evaluation Studies +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on outcome in patients with severe traumatic brain injury. DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, Marshall LK, Rosen P. Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA 92103-8676, USA. OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major trauma victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using the following inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) 3-8, suspected head injury by mechanism or physical examination, transport time > 10, " and inability to intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine were administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given after tube placement was confirmed using physical examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse oximetry. The Combitube was used as a salvage airway device. For this analysis, trial patients were excluded for absence of a head injury (Head/Neck AIS score < 2), failure to fulfill major trauma outcome study criteria, unsuccessful intubation or Combitube insertion, or death in the field or in the resuscitation suite within 30 " of arrival. Each study patient was hand matched to three nonintubated historical controls from our trauma registry using the following parameters: age, sex, mechanism of injury, trauma center, and AIS score for each body system. Controls were excluded for Head/Neck AIS defined by a c-spine injury or death in the field or in the resuscitation suite within 30 " of arrival. chi 2, odds ratios, and logistic regression were used to investigate the impact of RSI on the primary outcome measures of mortality and incidence of a " good outcome, " defined as discharge to home, rehabilitation, psychiatric facility, jail, or signing out against medical advice. RESULTS: A total of 209 trial patients were hand matched to 627 controls. The groups were similar with regard to all matching parameters, admission vital signs, frequency of specific head injury diagnoses, and incidence of invasive procedures. Mortality was significantly increased in the trial cohort versus controls for all patients (33.0% versus 24.2%, p < 0.05) and in those with Head/Neck AIS scores of 3 or greater (41.1% versus 30.3%, p < 0.05). The incidence of a " good outcome " was lower in the trial cohort versus controls (45.5% versus 57.9%, p < 0.01). Factors that may have contributed to the increase in mortality include transient hypoxia, inadvertent hyperventilation, and longer scene times associated with the RSI procedure. CONCLUSION: Paramedic RSI protocols to facilitate intubation of head-injured patients were associated with an increase in mortality and decrease in good outcomes versus matched historical controls. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ J Trauma. 2003 Feb;54(2):307-11. Related Articles, Links Endotracheal intubation in the field does not improve outcome in trauma patients who present without an acutely lethal traumatic brain injury. Bochicchio GV, Ilahi O, Joshi M, Bochicchio K, Scalea TM. R Cowley Shock Trauma Center and University of land Medical School, Baltimore, 21201, USA. gbochicchio@... OBJECTIVES: There is an absence of prospective data evaluating the impact of prehospital intubation in adult trauma patients. Our objectives were to determine the outcome of trauma patients intubated in the field who did not have an acutely lethal traumatic brain injury (death within 48 hours) compared with patients who were intubated immediately on arrival to the hospital. METHODS: Prospective data were collected on 191 consecutive patients admitted to the trauma center with a field Glasgow Coma Scale score < or = 8 and a head Abbreviated Injury Scale score > or = 3 who were either intubated in the field or intubated immediately at admission to the hospital. Patients who died within 48 hours of admission and transfers were excluded from the study. RESULTS: Of the 191 patients, 176 (92%) sustained blunt trauma and 25 (8%) were victims of penetrating trauma. Seventy-eight (41%) of the 191 patients were intubated in the field and 113 (59%) were intubated immediately at admission. There was no significant difference in age, Glasgow Coma Scale score, head Abbreviated Injury Scale score, or Injury Severity Score between the two groups. Patients who were intubated in the field had a significantly higher morbidity (ventilator days, 14.7 vs. 10.4; hospital days, 20.2 vs. 16.7; and intensive care unit days, 15.2 vs. 11.7) compared with patients intubated on immediate arrival to the hospital and nearly double the mortality (23% vs. 12.4). Field-intubated patients had a 1.5 times greater risk of nosocomial pneumonia compared with hospital-intubated patients. CONCLUSION: Prehospital intubation is associated with a significant increase in morbidity and mortality in trauma patients with traumatic brain injury who are admitted to the hospital without an acutely lethal injury. A randomized, prospective study is warranted to confirm these results. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ J Trauma. 2004 Mar;56(3):531-6. Related Articles, Links Prehospital endotracheal intubation for trauma does not improve survival over bag-valve-mask ventilation. Stockinger ZT, McSwain NE Jr. Department of Surgery SL-22, Tulane University Health Sciences Center, 1430 Tulane Avenue, New Orleans, LA 70112-2699, USA. stockinger@... BACKGROUND: Few data exist supporting a survival benefit to prehospital endotracheal intubation (ETI) over bag-valve-mask ventilation (BVM) in trauma patients. METHODS: Data were reviewed from all trauma patients transported to our Level I trauma center receiving prehospital ETI or BVM. Mortality was adjusted by age, Revised Trauma Score, Injury Severity Score, and mechanism of injury (penetrating vs. blunt). RESULTS: Of 5,773 patients, 316 (5.5%) had ETI and 217 (3.8%) had BVM. Patients receiving ETI were significantly more like to die (88.9% vs. 30.9%, p < 0.0001). When corrected for Injury Severity Score, Revised Trauma Score, and mechanism of injury, ETI was associated with similar or greater mortality than BVM. ETI patients had longer prehospital times (22.0 vs. 20.1 minutes, p = 0.0241). CONCLUSION: In our trauma system, when corrected for mechanism and severity of anatomic and physiologic injury, ETI confers no survival advantage over BVM and slightly increases prehospital time. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Re: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi You know what they say: " Lies, damn lies and statistics " or another way: " Liars figure and figures lie " . My point is this, we can prove, disprove, support or go against any stance we choose by manipulating numbers. We all know that if the patient doesn't fit the criteria of the position you are trying to support you can simply say they did not meet the inclusion criteria. This particular research has a very small number (105 in 9 years) of patients in it. It doesn't take into account the multiple multiples that could be attributed to these numbers. An example, what do you suppose the percentage of success would be if the providers had the ability to employ some form of pharmacologically assisted intubation? Did the physicians in this study utilize meds?, if so then that would potentially explain the reason for the higher success rates among the doctors. What about looking at the number of pediatric trauma intubations were performed by the various providers? Could we improve the numbers by providing more experience in tertiary facilities with more numbers of these type of patients? I think that arbitrarily changing accepted pratice based on a single potentially biased low number study is pretty dangerous. Yes, 67% seems to be a very unacceptably low number, but, lets just put into the mix (which doesn't appear to be placed into the equation) that the 33% of the patients who could not be intubated was either too awake (intact gag) or had some type of injury/illness that precluded them from being successfully intubated without medication, wouldn't the numbers prove something different? The devils advocate Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Doc- I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? I would still like to control the airways of my head trauma patients, and have that option open for my respiratory failure patients, IN EXTREMIS..... What would you personally authorise for an experienced Paramedic working under your license? My current medical director discourages Pedi ETI, but still gives the Paramedics the choice.....he reviews our calls and I can't remember anyone having a session in the woodshed for a long time..... Regards- > Lee: > > I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the > bath water. But, the studies are starting to be multiple. > The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense > (such as intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How > will we address this in the textbooks? > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9 > ;283(6):783-90. Related Articles, Links > > Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal > intubation on survival and neurological outcome: a > controlled clinical trial. > > Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, > Goodrich SM, Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt > FD, Seidel JS. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical > Center, and Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, > Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... > > CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for > airway management of children in the out-of-hospital > setting, despite a lack of controlled trials demonstrating > a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. > OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological > outcomes of pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask > ventilation (BVM) with those of patients treated with BVM > followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled clinical trial, in > which patients were assigned to interventions by calendar > day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: > Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical > services (EMS) systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 > consecutive patients aged 12 years or younger or estimated > to weigh less than 40 kg who required airway management; > 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: Patients > were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = 410) or > BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME > MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological > status at discharge from an acute care hospital compared > by treatment group. RESULTS: There was no significant > difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 > [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], > 0.82; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the > rate of achieving a good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 > [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). > CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of > out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that > already includes BVM did not improve survival or > neurological outcome of pediatric patients treated in an > urban EMS system. > > Publication Types: > Clinical Trial > Controlled Clinical Trial > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, > Links > > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury > in children: a reappraisal. > > A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, > Welborn C. > > Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College > of Physicians & amp; Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 > Lenox Ave, 10037 New York, NY, USA. > > Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital > assisted ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) > versus bag-valve-mask (BVM) in serious pediatric head > injury. The National Pediatric Trauma Registry (NPTR-3) > data set was analyzed to examine this question. NPTR-3 (n > = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury > mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, > transport mode, mortality rate, injury complications, > procedure and equipment failure or complications, and > functional outcome of seriously head-injured patients (n = > 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity > who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; 83%) > versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality > rate was virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = > 48%, BVM = 48%), although children receiving ETI were > significantly older (P < .01), more often transported by > helicopter (P < .01), and more often received intravenous > fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury > complications affecting nearly every body system or organ > (except kidney, gut, and skin) occurred less often in > children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < 05). > Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and > functional outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. > Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no > demonstrable survival or functional advantage when > compared with prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital > assisted ventilation in serious pediatric head injury. > Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often > among patients intubated in the field. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links > > > Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the > San Diego experience. > > Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. > > The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of > California, San Diego Medical Center, San Diego, > California 92103, USA. > > To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our > paramedics, we performed a retrospective review of a > prehospital computer database, quality assurance reviews, > and prehospital run sheets for all patients under 15 years > of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. During > the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had > intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 > (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal > and unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal > placements were noted on arrival at the hospital, and one > upon turn-over of patient care to a nurse of an > aeromedical service. All three intubations were deemed > esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients had > been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the > intubation. Of the 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% > were endotracheal, while only 1% were unrecognized > esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal > intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established > EMS system has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal > placements. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related > Articles, Links > > > Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure > utilization and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. > > Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, > Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... > > OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) > guidelines have suggested that advanced life support (ALS) > providers should have " regular field experience, " defined > as six to 12 intubations/year, as a prerequisite to > patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors sought > to assess the impact of this guideline on rural emergency > medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS > records were reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. > Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to > perform ALS skills (including EI), number of procedures > performed per year by EMS provider, patient age, gender, > and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review board > approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a > total of 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an > average of 1,352 ALS providers annually eligible to > perform EI. In the five-year period, there were 5,615 > total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible > providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers > per year with a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible > providers annually attempted EI in more than five > patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI encounters > occurred during the five-year period with an annual range > of 1.4%-2.7% of eligible providers attempting pediatric > EI. During the five-year investigation, EI success rate > was reported as 84% by providers with fewer than five > annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with > more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS providers > rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. > If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in > rural EMS settings, a small number of EMS providers will > meet minimum EI utilization requirements. > > Publication Types: > Evaluation Studies > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links > > > The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on > outcome in patients with severe traumatic brain injury. > > DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, > Marshall LK, Rosen P. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA > 92103-8676, USA. > > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid > sequence intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with > severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major trauma > victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using > the following inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) > 3-8, suspected head injury by mechanism or physical > examination, transport time > 10, " and inability to > intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine were > administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given > after tube placement was confirmed using physical > examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse > oximetry. The Combitube was used as a salvage airway > device. For th T.A. Dinerman EMTP EMSI EIEIO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Doc- I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? I would still like to control the airways of my head trauma patients, and have that option open for my respiratory failure patients, IN EXTREMIS..... What would you personally authorise for an experienced Paramedic working under your license? My current medical director discourages Pedi ETI, but still gives the Paramedics the choice.....he reviews our calls and I can't remember anyone having a session in the woodshed for a long time..... Regards- > Lee: > > I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the > bath water. But, the studies are starting to be multiple. > The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense > (such as intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How > will we address this in the textbooks? > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9 > ;283(6):783-90. Related Articles, Links > > Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal > intubation on survival and neurological outcome: a > controlled clinical trial. > > Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, > Goodrich SM, Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt > FD, Seidel JS. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical > Center, and Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, > Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... > > CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for > airway management of children in the out-of-hospital > setting, despite a lack of controlled trials demonstrating > a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. > OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological > outcomes of pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask > ventilation (BVM) with those of patients treated with BVM > followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled clinical trial, in > which patients were assigned to interventions by calendar > day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: > Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical > services (EMS) systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 > consecutive patients aged 12 years or younger or estimated > to weigh less than 40 kg who required airway management; > 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: Patients > were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = 410) or > BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME > MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological > status at discharge from an acute care hospital compared > by treatment group. RESULTS: There was no significant > difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 > [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], > 0.82; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the > rate of achieving a good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 > [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). > CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of > out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that > already includes BVM did not improve survival or > neurological outcome of pediatric patients treated in an > urban EMS system. > > Publication Types: > Clinical Trial > Controlled Clinical Trial > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, > Links > > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury > in children: a reappraisal. > > A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, > Welborn C. > > Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College > of Physicians & amp; Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 > Lenox Ave, 10037 New York, NY, USA. > > Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital > assisted ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) > versus bag-valve-mask (BVM) in serious pediatric head > injury. The National Pediatric Trauma Registry (NPTR-3) > data set was analyzed to examine this question. NPTR-3 (n > = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury > mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, > transport mode, mortality rate, injury complications, > procedure and equipment failure or complications, and > functional outcome of seriously head-injured patients (n = > 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity > who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; 83%) > versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality > rate was virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = > 48%, BVM = 48%), although children receiving ETI were > significantly older (P < .01), more often transported by > helicopter (P < .01), and more often received intravenous > fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury > complications affecting nearly every body system or organ > (except kidney, gut, and skin) occurred less often in > children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < 05). > Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and > functional outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. > Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no > demonstrable survival or functional advantage when > compared with prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital > assisted ventilation in serious pediatric head injury. > Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often > among patients intubated in the field. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links > > > Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the > San Diego experience. > > Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. > > The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of > California, San Diego Medical Center, San Diego, > California 92103, USA. > > To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our > paramedics, we performed a retrospective review of a > prehospital computer database, quality assurance reviews, > and prehospital run sheets for all patients under 15 years > of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. During > the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had > intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 > (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal > and unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal > placements were noted on arrival at the hospital, and one > upon turn-over of patient care to a nurse of an > aeromedical service. All three intubations were deemed > esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients had > been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the > intubation. Of the 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% > were endotracheal, while only 1% were unrecognized > esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal > intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established > EMS system has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal > placements. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related > Articles, Links > > > Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure > utilization and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. > > Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, > Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... > > OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) > guidelines have suggested that advanced life support (ALS) > providers should have " regular field experience, " defined > as six to 12 intubations/year, as a prerequisite to > patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors sought > to assess the impact of this guideline on rural emergency > medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS > records were reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. > Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to > perform ALS skills (including EI), number of procedures > performed per year by EMS provider, patient age, gender, > and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review board > approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a > total of 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an > average of 1,352 ALS providers annually eligible to > perform EI. In the five-year period, there were 5,615 > total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible > providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers > per year with a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible > providers annually attempted EI in more than five > patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI encounters > occurred during the five-year period with an annual range > of 1.4%-2.7% of eligible providers attempting pediatric > EI. During the five-year investigation, EI success rate > was reported as 84% by providers with fewer than five > annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with > more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS providers > rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. > If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in > rural EMS settings, a small number of EMS providers will > meet minimum EI utilization requirements. > > Publication Types: > Evaluation Studies > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links > > > The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on > outcome in patients with severe traumatic brain injury. > > DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, > Marshall LK, Rosen P. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA > 92103-8676, USA. > > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid > sequence intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with > severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major trauma > victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using > the following inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) > 3-8, suspected head injury by mechanism or physical > examination, transport time > 10, " and inability to > intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine were > administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given > after tube placement was confirmed using physical > examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse > oximetry. The Combitube was used as a salvage airway > device. For th T.A. Dinerman EMTP EMSI EIEIO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Doc- I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? I would still like to control the airways of my head trauma patients, and have that option open for my respiratory failure patients, IN EXTREMIS..... What would you personally authorise for an experienced Paramedic working under your license? My current medical director discourages Pedi ETI, but still gives the Paramedics the choice.....he reviews our calls and I can't remember anyone having a session in the woodshed for a long time..... Regards- > Lee: > > I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the > bath water. But, the studies are starting to be multiple. > The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense > (such as intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How > will we address this in the textbooks? > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9 > ;283(6):783-90. Related Articles, Links > > Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal > intubation on survival and neurological outcome: a > controlled clinical trial. > > Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, > Goodrich SM, Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt > FD, Seidel JS. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical > Center, and Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, > Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... > > CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for > airway management of children in the out-of-hospital > setting, despite a lack of controlled trials demonstrating > a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. > OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological > outcomes of pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask > ventilation (BVM) with those of patients treated with BVM > followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled clinical trial, in > which patients were assigned to interventions by calendar > day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: > Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical > services (EMS) systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 > consecutive patients aged 12 years or younger or estimated > to weigh less than 40 kg who required airway management; > 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: Patients > were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = 410) or > BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME > MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological > status at discharge from an acute care hospital compared > by treatment group. RESULTS: There was no significant > difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 > [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], > 0.82; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the > rate of achieving a good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 > [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). > CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of > out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that > already includes BVM did not improve survival or > neurological outcome of pediatric patients treated in an > urban EMS system. > > Publication Types: > Clinical Trial > Controlled Clinical Trial > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, > Links > > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury > in children: a reappraisal. > > A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, > Welborn C. > > Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College > of Physicians & amp; Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 > Lenox Ave, 10037 New York, NY, USA. > > Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital > assisted ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) > versus bag-valve-mask (BVM) in serious pediatric head > injury. The National Pediatric Trauma Registry (NPTR-3) > data set was analyzed to examine this question. NPTR-3 (n > = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury > mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, > transport mode, mortality rate, injury complications, > procedure and equipment failure or complications, and > functional outcome of seriously head-injured patients (n = > 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity > who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; 83%) > versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality > rate was virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = > 48%, BVM = 48%), although children receiving ETI were > significantly older (P < .01), more often transported by > helicopter (P < .01), and more often received intravenous > fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury > complications affecting nearly every body system or organ > (except kidney, gut, and skin) occurred less often in > children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < 05). > Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and > functional outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. > Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no > demonstrable survival or functional advantage when > compared with prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital > assisted ventilation in serious pediatric head injury. > Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often > among patients intubated in the field. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links > > > Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the > San Diego experience. > > Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. > > The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of > California, San Diego Medical Center, San Diego, > California 92103, USA. > > To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our > paramedics, we performed a retrospective review of a > prehospital computer database, quality assurance reviews, > and prehospital run sheets for all patients under 15 years > of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. During > the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had > intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 > (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal > and unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal > placements were noted on arrival at the hospital, and one > upon turn-over of patient care to a nurse of an > aeromedical service. All three intubations were deemed > esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients had > been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the > intubation. Of the 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% > were endotracheal, while only 1% were unrecognized > esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal > intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established > EMS system has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal > placements. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related > Articles, Links > > > Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure > utilization and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. > > Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, > Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... > > OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) > guidelines have suggested that advanced life support (ALS) > providers should have " regular field experience, " defined > as six to 12 intubations/year, as a prerequisite to > patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors sought > to assess the impact of this guideline on rural emergency > medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS > records were reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. > Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to > perform ALS skills (including EI), number of procedures > performed per year by EMS provider, patient age, gender, > and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review board > approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a > total of 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an > average of 1,352 ALS providers annually eligible to > perform EI. In the five-year period, there were 5,615 > total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible > providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers > per year with a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible > providers annually attempted EI in more than five > patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI encounters > occurred during the five-year period with an annual range > of 1.4%-2.7% of eligible providers attempting pediatric > EI. During the five-year investigation, EI success rate > was reported as 84% by providers with fewer than five > annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with > more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS providers > rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. > If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in > rural EMS settings, a small number of EMS providers will > meet minimum EI utilization requirements. > > Publication Types: > Evaluation Studies > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links > > > The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on > outcome in patients with severe traumatic brain injury. > > DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, > Marshall LK, Rosen P. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA > 92103-8676, USA. > > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid > sequence intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with > severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major trauma > victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using > the following inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) > 3-8, suspected head injury by mechanism or physical > examination, transport time > 10, " and inability to > intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine were > administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given > after tube placement was confirmed using physical > examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse > oximetry. The Combitube was used as a salvage airway > device. For th T.A. Dinerman EMTP EMSI EIEIO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 It appears that those with head injuries do worse with prehospital intubation. There is no need to hyperventilate them--just ventilate and oxygenate. E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX RE: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi Doc- I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? I would still like to control the airways of my head trauma patients, and have that option open for my respiratory failure patients, IN EXTREMIS..... What would you personally authorise for an experienced Paramedic working under your license? My current medical director discourages Pedi ETI, but still gives the Paramedics the choice.....he reviews our calls and I can't remember anyone having a session in the woodshed for a long time..... Regards- > Lee: > > I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the bath water. > But, the studies are starting to be multiple. > The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense (such as > intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How will we address this > in the textbooks? > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9 ;283(6):783-90. > Related Articles, Links > > Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal intubation on > survival and neurological outcome: a > controlled clinical trial. > > Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, Goodrich SM, > Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt FD, Seidel JS. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, and > Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, > Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... > > CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for airway > management of children in the out-of-hospital > setting, despite a lack of controlled trials demonstrating > a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. > OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological outcomes of > pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask ventilation (BVM) with > those of patients treated with BVM followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled > clinical trial, in > which patients were assigned to interventions by calendar > day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: > Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical services (EMS) > systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 consecutive patients aged 12 > years or younger or estimated to weigh less than 40 kg who required > airway management; > 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: Patients > were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = 410) or > BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME > MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological status at > discharge from an acute care hospital compared by treatment group. > RESULTS: There was no significant > difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 > [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], 0.82; 95% > confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the rate of achieving a > good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) > (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). > CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of > out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that already > includes BVM did not improve survival or neurological outcome of > pediatric patients treated in an urban EMS system. > > Publication Types: > Clinical Trial > Controlled Clinical Trial > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, Links > > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury in > children: a reappraisal. > > A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, Welborn C. > > Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College of > Physicians & amp; Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 Lenox Ave, > 10037 New York, NY, USA. > > Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital assisted > ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) versus bag-valve-mask > (BVM) in serious pediatric head injury. The National Pediatric Trauma > Registry (NPTR-3) data set was analyzed to examine this question. > NPTR-3 (n = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury > mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, transport > mode, mortality rate, injury complications, procedure and equipment > failure or complications, and functional outcome of seriously > head-injured patients (n = > 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity > who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; 83%) > versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality rate was > virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = 48%, BVM = 48%), > although children receiving ETI were significantly older (P < .01), > more often transported by > helicopter (P < .01), and more often received intravenous > fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury complications affecting > nearly every body system or organ (except kidney, gut, and skin) > occurred less often in > children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < 05). > Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and functional > outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. > Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no > demonstrable survival or functional advantage when compared with > prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital assisted ventilation in > serious pediatric head injury. > Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often among > patients intubated in the field. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links > > > Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the San Diego > experience. > > Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. > > The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of California, San > Diego Medical Center, San Diego, California 92103, USA. > > To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our paramedics, we > performed a retrospective review of a prehospital computer database, > quality assurance reviews, and prehospital run sheets for all patients > under 15 years of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. > During the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had > intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 > (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal and > unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal placements were > noted on arrival at the hospital, and one upon turn-over of patient > care to a nurse of an aeromedical service. All three intubations were > deemed > esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients had > been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the intubation. Of the > 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% were endotracheal, while only 1% > were unrecognized esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal > intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established EMS system > has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal placements. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related Articles, Links > > > Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure utilization > and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. > > Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, > Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... > > OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines have > suggested that advanced life support (ALS) providers should have > " regular field experience, " defined as six to 12 intubations/year, as > a prerequisite to patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors > sought > to assess the impact of this guideline on rural emergency > medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS records were > reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. > Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to perform ALS > skills (including EI), number of procedures performed per year by EMS > provider, patient age, gender, > and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review board > approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a total of > 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an average of 1,352 ALS > providers annually eligible to perform EI. In the five-year period, > there were 5,615 total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible > providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers per year with > a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible > providers annually attempted EI in more than five > patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI encounters > occurred during the five-year period with an annual range of 1.4%-2.7% > of eligible providers attempting pediatric EI. During the five-year > investigation, EI success rate was reported as 84% by providers with > fewer than five annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with > more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS providers > rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. > If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in rural EMS > settings, a small number of EMS providers will meet minimum EI > utilization requirements. > > Publication Types: > Evaluation Studies > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links > > > The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on outcome in > patients with severe traumatic brain injury. > > DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, Marshall LK, Rosen > P. > > Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA 92103-8676, USA. > > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid sequence > intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with > severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major trauma > victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using the following > inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) 3-8, suspected head > injury by mechanism or physical examination, transport time > 10, " > and inability to intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine > were administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given after tube > placement was confirmed using physical > examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse oximetry. The > Combitube was used as a salvage airway device. For th T.A. Dinerman EMTP EMSI EIEIO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Thanks, Doc..... My wife, the " Best Little Basic In Texas " , keeps telling me that I lost 50 IQ points and forgot all my Basic skills when I got my Red Patch...... It seems that the studies are all agreeing on at least one fact....the great majority of our patients do better with agressivly applied " Basic " skills..... Thanks again..... TD > It appears that those with head injuries do worse with > prehospital intubation. There is no need to hyperventilate > them--just ventilate and oxygenate. > > > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Midlothian, TX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 These studies do not represent the masses, they are isolated to specific regions and agencies. Maybe instead of trying to change the world they should focus on improving thier own system. You know the old saying: " He who lives is glass houses should not cast stones " Lee [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 These studies do not represent the masses, they are isolated to specific regions and agencies. Maybe instead of trying to change the world they should focus on improving thier own system. You know the old saying: " He who lives is glass houses should not cast stones " Lee [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 These studies do not represent the masses, they are isolated to specific regions and agencies. Maybe instead of trying to change the world they should focus on improving thier own system. You know the old saying: " He who lives is glass houses should not cast stones " Lee [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 You're kidding, right? Los Angeles is an " isolated region? " I just Googled pediatric intubation studies and found references to what Mr. Navarro refers from the National Institute of Health, Firechief magazine, the NEJM, Pediatric Emergency Medicine Reports, I could go on, but I think (hope!) you get the point. Rick LaChance >>> mrems@... 10/13/2004 9:51:53 AM >>> These studies do not represent the masses, they are isolated to specific regions and agencies. Maybe instead of trying to change the world they should focus on improving thier own system. You know the old saying: " He who lives is glass houses should not cast stones " Lee [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 It seems that there are multiple issues here. First, are the studies showing no benefit from correctly placed ET tubes? That is fundamentally different from finding that there are negative consequences from incorrectly placed tubes (duh!), and I am curious if the esophageal intubations are dragging the numbers down with regard to benefit. If there is no benefit in intubating children, we should seriously look at the emphasis we place on doing so in the field, whereas if the argument is that there is some benefit but we just aren't very good at doing it, we need to improve training in this area. It is no surprise to me that the complication rate is so high. Students just don't have the opportunity to practice on pediatric patients in the OR or ER, and you don't get that much experience with pediatric patients in general when working in the field. Add this to the fact that we sometimes work in an environment that is not as favorable as the hospital, and you can understand how things are not working out very well. The weight of the evidence seems to suggest that pediatric intubation is overused, although I think the topic needs further study before we can definitely conclude one way or the other. In the end, however, if the studies show no benefit and possible detriment, we need to do what is best for our patients. - PS Did any of the services in these studies use capnography? [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi It stands to reason that better education and preparation in pediatric intubation would overcome this 20-25% misplacement problem, rather than remove the procedure altogether. What about gastric distention from using the BVM? Decreased pulmonary capacity, massive potential for aspiration, removal of a medication administration route(LEAN),. Just use an NG/OG tube? What about NG/OG misplacement? I'd rather have better education and preparation in pediatric intubation. -mikey >>> kenneth.navarro@... 10/13/04 9:37:12 AM >>> >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 It seems that there are multiple issues here. First, are the studies showing no benefit from correctly placed ET tubes? That is fundamentally different from finding that there are negative consequences from incorrectly placed tubes (duh!), and I am curious if the esophageal intubations are dragging the numbers down with regard to benefit. If there is no benefit in intubating children, we should seriously look at the emphasis we place on doing so in the field, whereas if the argument is that there is some benefit but we just aren't very good at doing it, we need to improve training in this area. It is no surprise to me that the complication rate is so high. Students just don't have the opportunity to practice on pediatric patients in the OR or ER, and you don't get that much experience with pediatric patients in general when working in the field. Add this to the fact that we sometimes work in an environment that is not as favorable as the hospital, and you can understand how things are not working out very well. The weight of the evidence seems to suggest that pediatric intubation is overused, although I think the topic needs further study before we can definitely conclude one way or the other. In the end, however, if the studies show no benefit and possible detriment, we need to do what is best for our patients. - PS Did any of the services in these studies use capnography? [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi It stands to reason that better education and preparation in pediatric intubation would overcome this 20-25% misplacement problem, rather than remove the procedure altogether. What about gastric distention from using the BVM? Decreased pulmonary capacity, massive potential for aspiration, removal of a medication administration route(LEAN),. Just use an NG/OG tube? What about NG/OG misplacement? I'd rather have better education and preparation in pediatric intubation. -mikey >>> kenneth.navarro@... 10/13/04 9:37:12 AM >>> >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 It seems that there are multiple issues here. First, are the studies showing no benefit from correctly placed ET tubes? That is fundamentally different from finding that there are negative consequences from incorrectly placed tubes (duh!), and I am curious if the esophageal intubations are dragging the numbers down with regard to benefit. If there is no benefit in intubating children, we should seriously look at the emphasis we place on doing so in the field, whereas if the argument is that there is some benefit but we just aren't very good at doing it, we need to improve training in this area. It is no surprise to me that the complication rate is so high. Students just don't have the opportunity to practice on pediatric patients in the OR or ER, and you don't get that much experience with pediatric patients in general when working in the field. Add this to the fact that we sometimes work in an environment that is not as favorable as the hospital, and you can understand how things are not working out very well. The weight of the evidence seems to suggest that pediatric intubation is overused, although I think the topic needs further study before we can definitely conclude one way or the other. In the end, however, if the studies show no benefit and possible detriment, we need to do what is best for our patients. - PS Did any of the services in these studies use capnography? [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi It stands to reason that better education and preparation in pediatric intubation would overcome this 20-25% misplacement problem, rather than remove the procedure altogether. What about gastric distention from using the BVM? Decreased pulmonary capacity, massive potential for aspiration, removal of a medication administration route(LEAN),. Just use an NG/OG tube? What about NG/OG misplacement? I'd rather have better education and preparation in pediatric intubation. -mikey >>> kenneth.navarro@... 10/13/04 9:37:12 AM >>> >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 You cannot tell me that EMS practice is the same in LA as it it in Baltimore as it is in your system. Even in the system you are involved in you can prove the same point about adult intubation if you mix the " entire system " into the number crunch versus seperating the suburbs. Lee [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 You cannot tell me that EMS practice is the same in LA as it it in Baltimore as it is in your system. Even in the system you are involved in you can prove the same point about adult intubation if you mix the " entire system " into the number crunch versus seperating the suburbs. Lee [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 So, , is the problem with intubation or with the rate of ventilation? We're finding out that we've been overinflating all sorts of patients, not just pedi head traumas. So would intubation with the correct degree of ventilation show a different outcome? Further, what about protection of the airway from aspiration of vomit and blood? Gene G. > > It appears that those with head injuries do worse with prehospital > intubation. There is no need to hyperventilate them--just ventilate and > oxygenate. > > > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Midlothian, TX > > RE: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi > > > Doc- > I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in > respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but > should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag > of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? > I would still like to control the airways of my head > trauma patients, and have that option open for my > respiratory failure patients, IN EXTREMIS..... > What would you personally authorise for an experienced > Paramedic working under your license? > My current medical director discourages Pedi ETI, but > still gives the Paramedics the choice.....he reviews our > calls and I can't remember anyone having a session in the > woodshed for a long time..... > Regards- > > > Lee: > > > > I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the bath water. > > But, the studies are starting to be multiple. > > The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense (such as > > intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How will we address this > > in the textbooks? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9 ;283(6):783-90. > > Related Articles, Links > > > > Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal intubation on > > survival and neurological outcome: a > > controlled clinical trial. > > > > Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, Goodrich SM, > > Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt FD, Seidel JS. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, and > > Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, > > Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... > > > > CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for airway > > management of children in the out-of-hospital > > setting, despite a lack of controlled trials > demonstrating > > a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. > > OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological outcomes of > > pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask ventilation (BVM) with > > those of patients treated with BVM followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled > > clinical trial, in > > which patients were assigned to interventions by > calendar > > day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: > > Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical services (EMS) > > systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 consecutive patients aged 12 > > years or younger or estimated to weigh less than 40 kg who required > > airway management; > > 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: > Patients > > were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = > 410) or > > BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME > > MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological status at > > discharge from an acute care hospital compared by treatment group. > > RESULTS: There was no significant > > difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 > > [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], 0.82; 95% > > confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the rate of achieving a > > good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) > > (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). > > CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of > > out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that already > > includes BVM did not improve survival or neurological outcome of > > pediatric patients treated in an urban EMS system. > > > > Publication Types: > > Clinical Trial > > Controlled Clinical Trial > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury in > > children: a reappraisal. > > > > A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, Welborn C. > > > > Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College of > > Physicians & amp; Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 Lenox Ave, > > 10037 New York, NY, USA. > > > > Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital assisted > > ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) versus bag-valve-mask > > (BVM) in serious pediatric head injury. The National Pediatric Trauma > > Registry (NPTR-3) data set was analyzed to examine this question. > > NPTR-3 (n = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury > > mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, transport > > mode, mortality rate, injury complications, procedure and equipment > > failure or complications, and functional outcome of seriously > > head-injured patients (n = > > 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity > > who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; > 83%) > > versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality rate was > > virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = 48%, BVM = 48%), > > although children receiving ETI were significantly older (P < .01), > > more often transported by > > helicopter (P < .01), and more often received > intravenous > > fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury complications affecting > > nearly every body system or organ (except kidney, gut, and skin) > > occurred less often in > > children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < > 05). > > Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and functional > > outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no > > demonstrable survival or functional advantage when compared with > > prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital assisted ventilation in > > serious pediatric head injury. > > Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often among > > patients intubated in the field. > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the San Diego > > experience. > > > > Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. > > > > The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of California, San > > Diego Medical Center, San Diego, California 92103, USA. > > > > To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our paramedics, we > > performed a retrospective review of a prehospital computer database, > > quality assurance reviews, and prehospital run sheets for all patients > > under 15 years of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. > > During the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had > > intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 > > (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal and > > unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal placements were > > noted on arrival at the hospital, and one upon turn-over of patient > > care to a nurse of an aeromedical service. All three intubations were > > deemed > > esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients > had > > been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the intubation. Of the > > 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% were endotracheal, while only 1% > > were unrecognized esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal > > intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established EMS system > > has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal placements. > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure utilization > > and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. > > > > Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, > > Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... > > > > OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines have > > suggested that advanced life support (ALS) providers should have > > " regular field experience, " defined as six to 12 intubations/year, as > > a prerequisite to patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors > > sought > > to assess the impact of this guideline on rural > emergency > > medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS records were > > reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. > > Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to perform ALS > > skills (including EI), number of procedures performed per year by EMS > > provider, patient age, gender, > > and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review > board > > approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a total of > > 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an average of 1,352 ALS > > providers annually eligible to perform EI. In the five-year period, > > there were 5,615 total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible > > providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers per year with > > a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible > > providers annually attempted EI in more than five > > patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI > encounters > > occurred during the five-year period with an annual range of 1.4%-2.7% > > of eligible providers attempting pediatric EI. During the five-year > > investigation, EI success rate was reported as 84% by providers with > > fewer than five annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with > > more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS > providers > > rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. > > If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in rural EMS > > settings, a small number of EMS providers will meet minimum EI > > utilization requirements. > > > > Publication Types: > > Evaluation Studies > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on outcome in > > patients with severe traumatic brain injury. > > > > DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, Marshall LK, Rosen > > P. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA 92103-8676, USA. > > > > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid sequence > > intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with > > severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major > trauma > > victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using the following > > inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) 3-8, suspected head > > injury by mechanism or physical examination, transport time > 10, " > > and inability to intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine > > were administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given after tube > > placement was confirmed using physical > > examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse oximetry. The > > Combitube was used as a salvage airway device. For th > > > T.A. Dinerman EMTP EMSI EIEIO > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 So, , is the problem with intubation or with the rate of ventilation? We're finding out that we've been overinflating all sorts of patients, not just pedi head traumas. So would intubation with the correct degree of ventilation show a different outcome? Further, what about protection of the airway from aspiration of vomit and blood? Gene G. > > It appears that those with head injuries do worse with prehospital > intubation. There is no need to hyperventilate them--just ventilate and > oxygenate. > > > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Midlothian, TX > > RE: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi > > > Doc- > I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in > respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but > should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag > of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? > I would still like to control the airways of my head > trauma patients, and have that option open for my > respiratory failure patients, IN EXTREMIS..... > What would you personally authorise for an experienced > Paramedic working under your license? > My current medical director discourages Pedi ETI, but > still gives the Paramedics the choice.....he reviews our > calls and I can't remember anyone having a session in the > woodshed for a long time..... > Regards- > > > Lee: > > > > I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the bath water. > > But, the studies are starting to be multiple. > > The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense (such as > > intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How will we address this > > in the textbooks? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9 ;283(6):783-90. > > Related Articles, Links > > > > Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal intubation on > > survival and neurological outcome: a > > controlled clinical trial. > > > > Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, Goodrich SM, > > Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt FD, Seidel JS. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, and > > Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, > > Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... > > > > CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for airway > > management of children in the out-of-hospital > > setting, despite a lack of controlled trials > demonstrating > > a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. > > OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological outcomes of > > pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask ventilation (BVM) with > > those of patients treated with BVM followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled > > clinical trial, in > > which patients were assigned to interventions by > calendar > > day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: > > Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical services (EMS) > > systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 consecutive patients aged 12 > > years or younger or estimated to weigh less than 40 kg who required > > airway management; > > 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: > Patients > > were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = > 410) or > > BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME > > MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological status at > > discharge from an acute care hospital compared by treatment group. > > RESULTS: There was no significant > > difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 > > [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], 0.82; 95% > > confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the rate of achieving a > > good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) > > (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). > > CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of > > out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that already > > includes BVM did not improve survival or neurological outcome of > > pediatric patients treated in an urban EMS system. > > > > Publication Types: > > Clinical Trial > > Controlled Clinical Trial > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury in > > children: a reappraisal. > > > > A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, Welborn C. > > > > Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College of > > Physicians & amp; Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 Lenox Ave, > > 10037 New York, NY, USA. > > > > Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital assisted > > ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) versus bag-valve-mask > > (BVM) in serious pediatric head injury. The National Pediatric Trauma > > Registry (NPTR-3) data set was analyzed to examine this question. > > NPTR-3 (n = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury > > mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, transport > > mode, mortality rate, injury complications, procedure and equipment > > failure or complications, and functional outcome of seriously > > head-injured patients (n = > > 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity > > who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; > 83%) > > versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality rate was > > virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = 48%, BVM = 48%), > > although children receiving ETI were significantly older (P < .01), > > more often transported by > > helicopter (P < .01), and more often received > intravenous > > fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury complications affecting > > nearly every body system or organ (except kidney, gut, and skin) > > occurred less often in > > children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < > 05). > > Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and functional > > outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no > > demonstrable survival or functional advantage when compared with > > prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital assisted ventilation in > > serious pediatric head injury. > > Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often among > > patients intubated in the field. > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the San Diego > > experience. > > > > Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. > > > > The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of California, San > > Diego Medical Center, San Diego, California 92103, USA. > > > > To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our paramedics, we > > performed a retrospective review of a prehospital computer database, > > quality assurance reviews, and prehospital run sheets for all patients > > under 15 years of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. > > During the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had > > intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 > > (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal and > > unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal placements were > > noted on arrival at the hospital, and one upon turn-over of patient > > care to a nurse of an aeromedical service. All three intubations were > > deemed > > esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients > had > > been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the intubation. Of the > > 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% were endotracheal, while only 1% > > were unrecognized esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal > > intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established EMS system > > has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal placements. > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure utilization > > and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. > > > > Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, > > Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... > > > > OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines have > > suggested that advanced life support (ALS) providers should have > > " regular field experience, " defined as six to 12 intubations/year, as > > a prerequisite to patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors > > sought > > to assess the impact of this guideline on rural > emergency > > medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS records were > > reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. > > Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to perform ALS > > skills (including EI), number of procedures performed per year by EMS > > provider, patient age, gender, > > and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review > board > > approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a total of > > 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an average of 1,352 ALS > > providers annually eligible to perform EI. In the five-year period, > > there were 5,615 total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible > > providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers per year with > > a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible > > providers annually attempted EI in more than five > > patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI > encounters > > occurred during the five-year period with an annual range of 1.4%-2.7% > > of eligible providers attempting pediatric EI. During the five-year > > investigation, EI success rate was reported as 84% by providers with > > fewer than five annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with > > more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS > providers > > rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. > > If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in rural EMS > > settings, a small number of EMS providers will meet minimum EI > > utilization requirements. > > > > Publication Types: > > Evaluation Studies > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on outcome in > > patients with severe traumatic brain injury. > > > > DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, Marshall LK, Rosen > > P. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA 92103-8676, USA. > > > > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid sequence > > intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with > > severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major > trauma > > victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using the following > > inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) 3-8, suspected head > > injury by mechanism or physical examination, transport time > 10, " > > and inability to intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine > > were administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given after tube > > placement was confirmed using physical > > examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse oximetry. The > > Combitube was used as a salvage airway device. For th > > > T.A. Dinerman EMTP EMSI EIEIO > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 So, , is the problem with intubation or with the rate of ventilation? We're finding out that we've been overinflating all sorts of patients, not just pedi head traumas. So would intubation with the correct degree of ventilation show a different outcome? Further, what about protection of the airway from aspiration of vomit and blood? Gene G. > > It appears that those with head injuries do worse with prehospital > intubation. There is no need to hyperventilate them--just ventilate and > oxygenate. > > > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Midlothian, TX > > RE: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi > > > Doc- > I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in > respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but > should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag > of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? > I would still like to control the airways of my head > trauma patients, and have that option open for my > respiratory failure patients, IN EXTREMIS..... > What would you personally authorise for an experienced > Paramedic working under your license? > My current medical director discourages Pedi ETI, but > still gives the Paramedics the choice.....he reviews our > calls and I can't remember anyone having a session in the > woodshed for a long time..... > Regards- > > > Lee: > > > > I agree--we don't need to through the baby out with the bath water. > > But, the studies are starting to be multiple. > > The problem is, things that make such intuitive sense (such as > > intubation) are starting to show no benefit. How will we address this > > in the textbooks? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JAMA. 2000 Feb 9 ;283(6):783-90. > > Related Articles, Links > > > > Effect of out-of-hospital pediatric endotracheal intubation on > > survival and neurological outcome: a > > controlled clinical trial. > > > > Gausche M, RJ, Stratton SJ, Haynes BE, Gunter CS, Goodrich SM, > > Poore PD, McCollough MD, DP, Pratt FD, Seidel JS. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, and > > Harbor-UCLA Research and Education Institute, > > Torrance, Calif 90509, USA. mgausche@... > > > > CONTEXT: Endotracheal intubation (ETI) is widely used for airway > > management of children in the out-of-hospital > > setting, despite a lack of controlled trials > demonstrating > > a positive effect on survival or neurological outcome. > > OBJECTIVE: To compare the survival and neurological outcomes of > > pediatric patients treated with bag-valve-mask ventilation (BVM) with > > those of patients treated with BVM followed by ETI. DESIGN: Controlled > > clinical trial, in > > which patients were assigned to interventions by > calendar > > day from March 15, 1994, through January 1, 1997. SETTING: > > Two large, urban, rapid-transport emergency medical services (EMS) > > systems. PARTICIPANTS: A total of 830 consecutive patients aged 12 > > years or younger or estimated to weigh less than 40 kg who required > > airway management; > > 820 were available for follow-up. INTERVENTIONS: > Patients > > were assigned to receive either BVM (odd days; n = > 410) or > > BVM followed by ETI (even days; n = 420). MAIN OUTCOME > > MEASURES: Survival to hospital discharge and neurological status at > > discharge from an acute care hospital compared by treatment group. > > RESULTS: There was no significant > > difference in survival between the BVM group (123/404 > > [30%]) and the ETI group (110/416 [26%]) (odds ratio [OR], 0.82; 95% > > confidence interval [CI], 0.61-1.11) or in the rate of achieving a > > good neurological outcome (BVM, 92/404 [23%] vs ETI, 85/416 [20%]) > > (OR, 0.87; 95% CI, 0.62-1.22). > > CONCLUSION: These results indicate that the addition of > > out-of-hospital ETI to a paramedic scope of practice that already > > includes BVM did not improve survival or neurological outcome of > > pediatric patients treated in an urban EMS system. > > > > Publication Types: > > Clinical Trial > > Controlled Clinical Trial > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Semin Pediatr Surg. 2001 Feb;10(1):3-6. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation for severe head injury in > > children: a reappraisal. > > > > A, DiScala C, Foltin G, Tunik M, Markenson D, Welborn C. > > > > Division of Pediatric Surgery, Columbia University College of > > Physicians & amp; Surgeons, Harlem Hospital Center, 506 Lenox Ave, > > 10037 New York, NY, USA. > > > > Controversy exists regarding the efficacy of prehospital assisted > > ventilation by endotracheal intubation (ETI) versus bag-valve-mask > > (BVM) in serious pediatric head injury. The National Pediatric Trauma > > Registry (NPTR-3) data set was analyzed to examine this question. > > NPTR-3 (n = 31,464) was queried regarding the demographics, injury > > mechanism, injury severity, prehospital interventions, transport > > mode, mortality rate, injury complications, procedure and equipment > > failure or complications, and functional outcome of seriously > > head-injured patients (n = > > 578) with comparable injury mechanisms and injury severity > > who received endotracheal intubation (ETI) (n = 479; > 83%) > > versus those who received BVM (n = 99; 17%). Mortality rate was > > virtually identical between the 2 groups (ETI = 48%, BVM = 48%), > > although children receiving ETI were significantly older (P < .01), > > more often transported by > > helicopter (P < .01), and more often received > intravenous > > fluid in the field (P < .05). However, injury complications affecting > > nearly every body system or organ (except kidney, gut, and skin) > > occurred less often in > > children receiving ETI (ETI = 58%, BVM = 71%, P < > 05). > > Procedure and equipment failure or complications, and functional > > outcome, were similar between the 2 groups. > > Prehospital endotracheal intubation appears to offer no > > demonstrable survival or functional advantage when compared with > > prehospital bag-valve-mask for prehospital assisted ventilation in > > serious pediatric head injury. > > Injury complications appear to occur somewhat less often among > > patients intubated in the field. > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > J Emerg Med. 2002 Jan;22(1):71-4. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Out-of-hospital pediatric intubation by paramedics: the San Diego > > experience. > > > > Vilke GM, Steen PJ, AM, Chan TC. > > > > The Department of Emergency Medicine, University of California, San > > Diego Medical Center, San Diego, California 92103, USA. > > > > To evaluate pediatric endotracheal intubations by our paramedics, we > > performed a retrospective review of a prehospital computer database, > > quality assurance reviews, and prehospital run sheets for all patients > > under 15 years of age who had an endotracheal tube (ETT) placed. > > During the 4.5-year study period, 324 pediatric patients had > > intubation attempts by field paramedics, of which 264 > > (82%) were successful and three were reported esophageal and > > unrecognized by the paramedic. Two of these esophageal placements were > > noted on arrival at the hospital, and one upon turn-over of patient > > care to a nurse of an aeromedical service. All three intubations were > > deemed > > esophageal with direct laryngoscopy, and the patients > had > > been in cardiopulmonary arrest status prior to the intubation. Of the > > 264 patients who had ETT placed, 99% were endotracheal, while only 1% > > were unrecognized esophageal. We conclude that pediatric endotracheal > > intubation by out-of-hospital paramedics in an established EMS system > > has a low occurrence of unrecognized esophageal placements. > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Prehosp Emerg Care. 2003 Jul-Sep;7(3):352-6. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > Endotracheal intubation in a rural EMS state: procedure utilization > > and impact of skills maintenance guidelines. > > > > Burton JH, Baumann MR, Maoz T, Bradshaw JR, Lebrun JE. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, Maine Medical Center, > > Portland, Maine 04102, USA. burtoj@... > > > > OBJECTIVE: Recent American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines have > > suggested that advanced life support (ALS) providers should have > > " regular field experience, " defined as six to 12 intubations/year, as > > a prerequisite to patient endotracheal intubation (EI). The authors > > sought > > to assess the impact of this guideline on rural > emergency > > medical services (EMS) practice. METHODS: Statewide EMS records were > > reviewed for the calendar years 1997-2001. > > Data reviewed included the number of providers eligible to perform ALS > > skills (including EI), number of procedures performed per year by EMS > > provider, patient age, gender, > > and prehospital diagnosis. The institutional review > board > > approved the study. RESULTS: During the study period, a total of > > 957,836 patient encounters occurred with an average of 1,352 ALS > > providers annually eligible to perform EI. In the five-year period, > > there were 5,615 total EI attempts with a range of 37%-42% of eligible > > providers annually performing EI. A mean of 18 providers per year with > > a range of 1.8%-0.8% of EI-eligible > > providers annually attempted EI in more than five > > patients. One hundred thirty-seven pediatric EI > encounters > > occurred during the five-year period with an annual range of 1.4%-2.7% > > of eligible providers attempting pediatric EI. During the five-year > > investigation, EI success rate was reported as 84% by providers with > > fewer than five annual intubation encounters and 86% by providers with > > more than five encounters. CONCLUSION: Rural EMS > providers > > rarely use EI skills, particularly in pediatric patients. > > If recent AHA intubation guidelines are to be followed in rural EMS > > settings, a small number of EMS providers will meet minimum EI > > utilization requirements. > > > > Publication Types: > > Evaluation Studies > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > J Trauma. 2003 Mar;54(3):444-53. Related Articles, Links > > > > > > The effect of paramedic rapid sequence intubation on outcome in > > patients with severe traumatic brain injury. > > > > DP, Hoyt DB, Ochs M, Fortlage D, Holbrook T, Marshall LK, Rosen > > P. > > > > Department of Emergency Medicine, UC San Diego, CA 92103-8676, USA. > > > > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of paramedic rapid sequence > > intubation (RSI) on outcome in patients with > > severe traumatic brain injury. METHODS: Adult major > trauma > > victims were prospectively enrolled over two years using the following > > inclusion criteria: Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) 3-8, suspected head > > injury by mechanism or physical examination, transport time > 10, " > > and inability to intubate without RSI. Midazolam and succinylcholine > > were administered before laryngoscopy; rocuronium was given after tube > > placement was confirmed using physical > > examination, capnometry, syringe aspiration, and pulse oximetry. The > > Combitube was used as a salvage airway device. For th > > > T.A. Dinerman EMTP EMSI EIEIO > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 , Are you familiar with the dismal level of care provided in Los Angeles? Los Angeles is well known for its problems with EMS both at the city and county level. That's why the study there is meaningless. The medics cannot intubate to begin with. All this study shows is that in THAT SPECIFIC area there were problems. Gene In a message dated 10/13/04 10:13:53 AM, richard.lachance@... writes: > > You're kidding, right? Los Angeles is an " isolated region? " I just > Googled pediatric intubation studies and found references to what Mr. > Navarro refers from the National Institute of Health, Firechief > magazine, the NEJM, Pediatric Emergency Medicine Reports, I could go on, > but I think (hope!) you get the point. > > Rick LaChance > > > > >>> mrems@... 10/13/2004 9:51:53 AM >>> > > > These studies do not represent the masses, they are isolated to > specific regions and agencies. Maybe instead of trying to change the > world they should focus on improving thier own system. You know the old > saying: " He who lives is glass houses should not cast stones " > > Lee > [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi > > > > >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory > failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove > this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's > overuse in certain circumstances? >> > > No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove > > it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- > Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a > significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't > have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the > neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study > is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. > > Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is > being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for > permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that > if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit > for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a > situation from which your child could not possibly survive. > > Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? > > Thank you for your time, > Kenny Navarro > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 , Are you familiar with the dismal level of care provided in Los Angeles? Los Angeles is well known for its problems with EMS both at the city and county level. That's why the study there is meaningless. The medics cannot intubate to begin with. All this study shows is that in THAT SPECIFIC area there were problems. Gene In a message dated 10/13/04 10:13:53 AM, richard.lachance@... writes: > > You're kidding, right? Los Angeles is an " isolated region? " I just > Googled pediatric intubation studies and found references to what Mr. > Navarro refers from the National Institute of Health, Firechief > magazine, the NEJM, Pediatric Emergency Medicine Reports, I could go on, > but I think (hope!) you get the point. > > Rick LaChance > > > > >>> mrems@... 10/13/2004 9:51:53 AM >>> > > > These studies do not represent the masses, they are isolated to > specific regions and agencies. Maybe instead of trying to change the > world they should focus on improving thier own system. You know the old > saying: " He who lives is glass houses should not cast stones " > > Lee > [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi > > > > >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory > failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove > this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's > overuse in certain circumstances? >> > > No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove > > it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- > Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a > significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't > have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the > neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study > is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. > > Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is > being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for > permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that > if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit > for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a > situation from which your child could not possibly survive. > > Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? > > Thank you for your time, > Kenny Navarro > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Sorry but after 36 years in giving care at all levels I will say one thing and shut up time is the utmost secondary thing in treating Pedi pts after a manual provided air way and if procedures delay or prolong that transport time then you are doing some thing wrong and need to reevaluate what and how you are doing things and adjust your priorities Pedi intubations should not be thrown out but manual air way and trans port should be balanced in 36 years I never lost a Pedi pt that had not been down for unknown times and that includes times before advanced care skills and long distant transfers ventilate try ventilate try ventilate transport and ventilate and deliver and that better be fast. Check pals and heart association if you disagree with me. ========================================= [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Sorry but after 36 years in giving care at all levels I will say one thing and shut up time is the utmost secondary thing in treating Pedi pts after a manual provided air way and if procedures delay or prolong that transport time then you are doing some thing wrong and need to reevaluate what and how you are doing things and adjust your priorities Pedi intubations should not be thrown out but manual air way and trans port should be balanced in 36 years I never lost a Pedi pt that had not been down for unknown times and that includes times before advanced care skills and long distant transfers ventilate try ventilate try ventilate transport and ventilate and deliver and that better be fast. Check pals and heart association if you disagree with me. ========================================= [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 No one with a functioning brain will dispute the fact that good BLS airway management to ensure adequate oxygenation and ventilation is paramount. There are multiple issues here with various opinions and no clear cut answers. Lee Re: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi Importance: High Sorry but after 36 years in giving care at all levels I will say one thing and shut up time is the utmost secondary thing in treating Pedi pts after a manual provided air way and if procedures delay or prolong that transport time then you are doing some thing wrong and need to reevaluate what and how you are doing things and adjust your priorities Pedi intubations should not be thrown out but manual air way and trans port should be balanced in 36 years I never lost a Pedi pt that had not been down for unknown times and that includes times before advanced care skills and long distant transfers ventilate try ventilate try ventilate transport and ventilate and deliver and that better be fast. Check pals and heart association if you disagree with me. ========================================= [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 No one with a functioning brain will dispute the fact that good BLS airway management to ensure adequate oxygenation and ventilation is paramount. There are multiple issues here with various opinions and no clear cut answers. Lee Re: [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi Importance: High Sorry but after 36 years in giving care at all levels I will say one thing and shut up time is the utmost secondary thing in treating Pedi pts after a manual provided air way and if procedures delay or prolong that transport time then you are doing some thing wrong and need to reevaluate what and how you are doing things and adjust your priorities Pedi intubations should not be thrown out but manual air way and trans port should be balanced in 36 years I never lost a Pedi pt that had not been down for unknown times and that includes times before advanced care skills and long distant transfers ventilate try ventilate try ventilate transport and ventilate and deliver and that better be fast. Check pals and heart association if you disagree with me. ========================================= [EMS_Research] Re: More Problems with Pedi >> I agree that the routine intubation of Pedi's in respiratory failure does not improve outcome over BVM, but should we remove this technique from the Paramedics " Bag of Tricks " due to it's overuse in certain circumstances? >> No, we shouldn't remove it because of its overuse. We should remove it because it is ineffective and possibly dangerous. Dr. Gausche- Hill's study from LA not only found no difference in outcome, but a significant number of unrecognized esophageal placements. (I don't have the study in front of me, but I think it was in the neighborhood of 20-25% unrecognized misplacements.) BTW, her study is not the only one to come to the same conclusion. Consider this scenario. Your child is critically injured and is being treated in an emergency room. The physician comes to you for permission to perform an emergency procedure. He informs you that if he performs the procedure, it will provide no survival benefit for your child but there is a 20-25% chance it will create a situation from which your child could not possibly survive. Would you give consent for this procedure to be performed? Thank you for your time, Kenny Navarro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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