Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild in my woods. RO ot, hawthorn, inga hi inga, are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what health food stores sell it for. the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from them. i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for you. linda j still recovering from canada day..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild in my woods. RO ot, hawthorn, inga hi inga, are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what health food stores sell it for. the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from them. i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for you. linda j still recovering from canada day..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild in my woods. RO ot, hawthorn, inga hi inga, are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what health food stores sell it for. the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from them. i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for you. linda j still recovering from canada day..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 > > > hi inga, > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? Festivities? What festivities? I do not have festivities in my life anymore, LOL! I am still in the middle of trying to keep at least one computer working so that I can get on line and function......my life is on the computer these days.... > > i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores > there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made > from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that > carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you > want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without > english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what > health food stores sell it for. > Oh, good to know! Does he have leaves and flowers too (hawthorne) The closest chinese grocery takes 200 miles to get to, so I don't make it there very often, sigh...but I love Chinese groceries. Thanks for the heads up. I have also found astragalus very cheaply at the Chinese markets even though I personally don't use it. I generally buy a lot of stuff when I make it there, because they have not marked it up to the outrageous prices in our regular retail stores.. > the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from > them. > Hmmmm...that did not work too well for me. It got all gell like with not too much to drink...the berries are VERY hard to grind. I add a little powdered berry to my tea, but mostly have had luck using the leaf and flower. > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > you. Well, probabably almost anything that you need for yourself would apply to me as well. Might be interested in what they say about Hawthorne... > > linda j > > still recovering from canada day..... I am glad you are able to participate in things like that. It has been so devastatingly hot here and I can not tolerate heat. People are often asking me if I need help or if they should call somebody. I seize up and can hardly move. The other day a gal ran up and told the folks around me that I must have fallen, LOL, LOL. I just get very ill with this nasty weather. Today we finally have a reprieve after so long, and it is absolutley, brilliantly, gorgeous outside, so I feel much more like myself again. By the way, I am finally off of corticosteroids and that is helping my heart, at least I have no terrible pounding and racing when woken by a telephone anymore, like I did when I was taking prednisolone or h/c......just a wee little bit, but nothing like when I was on the steroids full force. My blood sugar is also almost normal again now. However, I am left with a huge hanging roll on my belly, and hangy flab all over the place that I never had before, even though I am no heavier since before I started using them. It seemed tat in a way I really needed the steroids, but more and more, I am thinking it was more because I had tried to raise my thyroid doses to get my temps up like the NTH forum kept pounding on. It never did, and my resting pulse never got fast, just went downhill in general. My hair is falling out though now....I wonder if that is because my thyroid is lower because I knocked off the steroids? It never fell out at this dosage before though, but I have not been able to comb my hair for two weeks now (keep it up in a bun, LOL) Thanks for thinking of me....I have always enjoyed Oriental thought, herbs and medicine, what little I know of it. Love, Inga > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 > > > hi inga, > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? Festivities? What festivities? I do not have festivities in my life anymore, LOL! I am still in the middle of trying to keep at least one computer working so that I can get on line and function......my life is on the computer these days.... > > i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores > there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made > from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that > carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you > want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without > english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what > health food stores sell it for. > Oh, good to know! Does he have leaves and flowers too (hawthorne) The closest chinese grocery takes 200 miles to get to, so I don't make it there very often, sigh...but I love Chinese groceries. Thanks for the heads up. I have also found astragalus very cheaply at the Chinese markets even though I personally don't use it. I generally buy a lot of stuff when I make it there, because they have not marked it up to the outrageous prices in our regular retail stores.. > the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from > them. > Hmmmm...that did not work too well for me. It got all gell like with not too much to drink...the berries are VERY hard to grind. I add a little powdered berry to my tea, but mostly have had luck using the leaf and flower. > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > you. Well, probabably almost anything that you need for yourself would apply to me as well. Might be interested in what they say about Hawthorne... > > linda j > > still recovering from canada day..... I am glad you are able to participate in things like that. It has been so devastatingly hot here and I can not tolerate heat. People are often asking me if I need help or if they should call somebody. I seize up and can hardly move. The other day a gal ran up and told the folks around me that I must have fallen, LOL, LOL. I just get very ill with this nasty weather. Today we finally have a reprieve after so long, and it is absolutley, brilliantly, gorgeous outside, so I feel much more like myself again. By the way, I am finally off of corticosteroids and that is helping my heart, at least I have no terrible pounding and racing when woken by a telephone anymore, like I did when I was taking prednisolone or h/c......just a wee little bit, but nothing like when I was on the steroids full force. My blood sugar is also almost normal again now. However, I am left with a huge hanging roll on my belly, and hangy flab all over the place that I never had before, even though I am no heavier since before I started using them. It seemed tat in a way I really needed the steroids, but more and more, I am thinking it was more because I had tried to raise my thyroid doses to get my temps up like the NTH forum kept pounding on. It never did, and my resting pulse never got fast, just went downhill in general. My hair is falling out though now....I wonder if that is because my thyroid is lower because I knocked off the steroids? It never fell out at this dosage before though, but I have not been able to comb my hair for two weeks now (keep it up in a bun, LOL) Thanks for thinking of me....I have always enjoyed Oriental thought, herbs and medicine, what little I know of it. Love, Inga > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? > > Festivities? What festivities? I do not have festivities in my life > anymore, LOL! in my dreams.... i was just kidding.... > > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. by Kee Chang Huang, 1999 > > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > > you. > Well, probabably almost anything that you need for yourself would apply > to me as well. Might be interested in what they say about Hawthorne... > Hawthorn, the dried fruits of Cragaegus pinnatifida, Shan Zha " The herb lowers blood cholesterol by increasing cholesterol's catabolism. This helps the surface of the atherosclerotic area in the arterial wall to shrink and become smoother. It improves coronary circulation and increases the 86Rb uptake of the heart muscle via an incrase of blood flow. This reduces the oxygen consumption and protects against mycardiac ischemia. Additional effects are an increase in myocardial contractility and a lowering of the blood pressure. It also acts as an antibactierial agent. " " Increases gastric and pancreatic secretion, treats children's indigestion; dose 9-30 g in decoction or in the form of snack candy " Didn't find anything about leaves and flowers in this book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? > > Festivities? What festivities? I do not have festivities in my life > anymore, LOL! in my dreams.... i was just kidding.... > > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. by Kee Chang Huang, 1999 > > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > > you. > Well, probabably almost anything that you need for yourself would apply > to me as well. Might be interested in what they say about Hawthorne... > Hawthorn, the dried fruits of Cragaegus pinnatifida, Shan Zha " The herb lowers blood cholesterol by increasing cholesterol's catabolism. This helps the surface of the atherosclerotic area in the arterial wall to shrink and become smoother. It improves coronary circulation and increases the 86Rb uptake of the heart muscle via an incrase of blood flow. This reduces the oxygen consumption and protects against mycardiac ischemia. Additional effects are an increase in myocardial contractility and a lowering of the blood pressure. It also acts as an antibactierial agent. " " Increases gastric and pancreatic secretion, treats children's indigestion; dose 9-30 g in decoction or in the form of snack candy " Didn't find anything about leaves and flowers in this book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? > > Festivities? What festivities? I do not have festivities in my life > anymore, LOL! in my dreams.... i was just kidding.... > > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. by Kee Chang Huang, 1999 > > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > > you. > Well, probabably almost anything that you need for yourself would apply > to me as well. Might be interested in what they say about Hawthorne... > Hawthorn, the dried fruits of Cragaegus pinnatifida, Shan Zha " The herb lowers blood cholesterol by increasing cholesterol's catabolism. This helps the surface of the atherosclerotic area in the arterial wall to shrink and become smoother. It improves coronary circulation and increases the 86Rb uptake of the heart muscle via an incrase of blood flow. This reduces the oxygen consumption and protects against mycardiac ischemia. Additional effects are an increase in myocardial contractility and a lowering of the blood pressure. It also acts as an antibactierial agent. " " Increases gastric and pancreatic secretion, treats children's indigestion; dose 9-30 g in decoction or in the form of snack candy " Didn't find anything about leaves and flowers in this book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild in my woods. Crataegus pinnatifida > RO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild in my woods. Crataegus pinnatifida > RO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild in my woods. Crataegus pinnatifida > RO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 WoW! Lucky you. Are you harvesting it too? ~Inga > > > Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild > in my woods. > > Crataegus pinnatifida > > > RO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 WoW! Lucky you. Are you harvesting it too? ~Inga > > > Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild > in my woods. > > Crataegus pinnatifida > > > RO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 WoW! Lucky you. Are you harvesting it too? ~Inga > > > Are you talking about a European Hawthorne? I have one growing wild > in my woods. > > Crataegus pinnatifida > > > RO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 these haw candies are wonderful! Our TCM docs give them to us. , does your book have good pictures and would you mind sharing the author or ISBN#? Thank you! Also, Inga, it's good to hear your are feeling better! you certainly have been through it, Hon'. .... > > > > hi inga, > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? > > i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores > there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made > from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that > carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you > want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without > english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what > health food stores sell it for. > > the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from them. > > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > you. > > linda j > > still recovering from canada day..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Huang, Kee Huang, 1999, The Pharmacology of Chinese Herbs, CRC Press. ISBN 0-8493-1665-0 the price was 206.50 Can - it's a library book there are some black and white pictures, but not many. lots of structures of the various chemical components of the plants. J > > > > > > > > hi inga, > > > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? > > > > i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores > > there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made > > from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that > > carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you > > want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without > > english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what > > health food stores sell it for. > > > > the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from them. > > > > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. > > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > > you. > > > > linda j > > > > still recovering from canada day..... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Huang, Kee Huang, 1999, The Pharmacology of Chinese Herbs, CRC Press. ISBN 0-8493-1665-0 the price was 206.50 Can - it's a library book there are some black and white pictures, but not many. lots of structures of the various chemical components of the plants. J > > > > > > > > hi inga, > > > > are you listening? still recovering from 4 july festivities? > > > > i found a cheap source of hawthorn berries. in chinese grocery stores > > there is a candy called haw flakes (happiness brand). they are made > > from hawthorn berries plus sugar. what you do is find a store that > > carries those so that you can show the grocer what it is that you > > want. they will also have dried hawthorn berries in bulk (without > > english names on the package). really inexpensive compared to what > > health food stores sell it for. > > > > the grocer told me to wash the dry berries and then make tea from them. > > > > i have a book right now called 'the pharmacology of chinese herbs'. > > let me know if there is anything that you would like me to look up for > > you. > > > > linda j > > > > still recovering from canada day..... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 > > > > > Also, Inga, it's good to hear your are feeling better! you certainly > > have > > been through it, Hon'. > > > > ... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Oooo! Thank you, ! Sounds very useful. .... > > > > Huang, Kee Huang, 1999, > The Pharmacology of Chinese Herbs, > CRC Press. > ISBN 0-8493-1665-0 > > the price was 206.50 Can - it's a library book > > there are some black and white pictures, but not many. > lots of structures of the various chemical components of the plants. > > J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Oooo! Thank you, ! Sounds very useful. .... > > > > Huang, Kee Huang, 1999, > The Pharmacology of Chinese Herbs, > CRC Press. > ISBN 0-8493-1665-0 > > the price was 206.50 Can - it's a library book > > there are some black and white pictures, but not many. > lots of structures of the various chemical components of the plants. > > J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Oooo! Thank you, ! Sounds very useful. .... > > > > Huang, Kee Huang, 1999, > The Pharmacology of Chinese Herbs, > CRC Press. > ISBN 0-8493-1665-0 > > the price was 206.50 Can - it's a library book > > there are some black and white pictures, but not many. > lots of structures of the various chemical components of the plants. > > J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 > > have you checked the possibility of using sustained release t3. my > understanding is that it is the t4 component that stimulates the > heart. that's one of the reasons why i dropped synthroid, and just > kept the t3. I have most certainly thought of it, but do not know where I can buy some. Wait minute...isn't it the other way around or am I having a major brain fart? I thought it was the T3 that stimulated the heart, and that that was why most MD's like to prescribed synthroid (Straight T4) and not Armour (All the natural T's). > a big problem for me, (i probably said this before), is that i get > adrenaline pumped, and that gets my heart pounding. I think that is happening to me too, and it seems to get worse when I use corticosteroids, or at least prednisolone....maybe it is because prednisolone is toxic to the liver and my heart is feeling the toxic effects/ You think that is possible? ~Inga > > linda j > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 > > have you checked the possibility of using sustained release t3. my > understanding is that it is the t4 component that stimulates the > heart. that's one of the reasons why i dropped synthroid, and just > kept the t3. I have most certainly thought of it, but do not know where I can buy some. Wait minute...isn't it the other way around or am I having a major brain fart? I thought it was the T3 that stimulated the heart, and that that was why most MD's like to prescribed synthroid (Straight T4) and not Armour (All the natural T's). > a big problem for me, (i probably said this before), is that i get > adrenaline pumped, and that gets my heart pounding. I think that is happening to me too, and it seems to get worse when I use corticosteroids, or at least prednisolone....maybe it is because prednisolone is toxic to the liver and my heart is feeling the toxic effects/ You think that is possible? ~Inga > > linda j > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 > > > > > my > > understanding is that it is the t4 component that stimulates the > > heart. > > > Wait minute...isn't it the other way around or am I having a major > brain fart? I thought it was the T3 that stimulated the heart, Nope. T4 stimulates the heart. I searched archives, and Andy's book, but couldn't find anything to back my statement up.... maybe someone else remembers. and that > that was why most MD's like to prescribed synthroid (Straight T4) I don't know why prescribing T4 became popular. and > not Armour (All the natural T's). > > > a big problem for me, (i probably said this before), is that i get > > adrenaline pumped, and that gets my heart pounding. > > I think that is happening to me too, and it seems to get worse when I > use corticosteroids, or at least prednisolone.... maybe it is because > prednisolone is toxic to the liver and my heart is feeling the toxic > effects/ You think that is possible? how much prednisolone did you take? i wouldn't expect this to be a problem at less than physiological doses. if you can't get thyroid blood tests, perhaps you can try to make sure that the armour dose doesn't get too high by watching for hyperthyroid symptoms. see page 116 of 'amalgam illness'. linda j > > ~Inga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 > > > > > my > > understanding is that it is the t4 component that stimulates the > > heart. > > > Wait minute...isn't it the other way around or am I having a major > brain fart? I thought it was the T3 that stimulated the heart, Nope. T4 stimulates the heart. I searched archives, and Andy's book, but couldn't find anything to back my statement up.... maybe someone else remembers. and that > that was why most MD's like to prescribed synthroid (Straight T4) I don't know why prescribing T4 became popular. and > not Armour (All the natural T's). > > > a big problem for me, (i probably said this before), is that i get > > adrenaline pumped, and that gets my heart pounding. > > I think that is happening to me too, and it seems to get worse when I > use corticosteroids, or at least prednisolone.... maybe it is because > prednisolone is toxic to the liver and my heart is feeling the toxic > effects/ You think that is possible? how much prednisolone did you take? i wouldn't expect this to be a problem at less than physiological doses. if you can't get thyroid blood tests, perhaps you can try to make sure that the armour dose doesn't get too high by watching for hyperthyroid symptoms. see page 116 of 'amalgam illness'. linda j > > ~Inga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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