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Hi Gang,

I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It

should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the fillings

out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here is

my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also

need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I should

start taking and how much. I currently am on the following:

HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg

Milk Thistle

Calcium

Vitamin C

Magnesium

(I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it)

Here are my cortisol test results:

Depressed

7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24

11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10

4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8

11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4

Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42

DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10

fTSH 41 normal

fT4 .46 high

fT3 .48 normal

TPO negative

E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4

P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95)

TTF 17 normal

Thanks for an advice!

Carolyn J

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> Hi Gang,

>

> I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It

> should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the

fillings

> out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here

is

> my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also

> need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I

should

> start taking and how much. I currently am on the following:

>

> HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg

> Milk Thistle

TK--- How much how often ?

> Calcium

> Vitamin C

TK-- how much how often ?

> Magnesium

TK--- there is much more you can do for supplementation which may

help.

> (I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it)

>

> Here are my cortisol test results:

> Depressed

> 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24

> 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10

> 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8

> 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4

> Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42

> DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10

TK--- I suggest supplementing with some DHEA start with 25-50mg with

breakfast. See what this does then add some pregnenolone 50-100mg.

Get Andy's book for more supplementation recommendations.

>

> fTSH 41 normal

> fT4 .46 high

> fT3 .48 normal

> TPO negative

TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to

post reference ranges also

>

> E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4

> P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95)

> TTF 17 normal

>

> Thanks for an advice!

> Carolyn J

>

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> Hi Gang,

>

> I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It

> should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the

fillings

> out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here

is

> my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also

> need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I

should

> start taking and how much. I currently am on the following:

>

> HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg

> Milk Thistle

TK--- How much how often ?

> Calcium

> Vitamin C

TK-- how much how often ?

> Magnesium

TK--- there is much more you can do for supplementation which may

help.

> (I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it)

>

> Here are my cortisol test results:

> Depressed

> 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24

> 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10

> 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8

> 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4

> Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42

> DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10

TK--- I suggest supplementing with some DHEA start with 25-50mg with

breakfast. See what this does then add some pregnenolone 50-100mg.

Get Andy's book for more supplementation recommendations.

>

> fTSH 41 normal

> fT4 .46 high

> fT3 .48 normal

> TPO negative

TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to

post reference ranges also

>

> E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4

> P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95)

> TTF 17 normal

>

> Thanks for an advice!

> Carolyn J

>

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> Hi Gang,

>

> I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It

> should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the

fillings

> out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here

is

> my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also

> need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I

should

> start taking and how much. I currently am on the following:

>

> HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg

> Milk Thistle

TK--- How much how often ?

> Calcium

> Vitamin C

TK-- how much how often ?

> Magnesium

TK--- there is much more you can do for supplementation which may

help.

> (I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it)

>

> Here are my cortisol test results:

> Depressed

> 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24

> 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10

> 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8

> 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4

> Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42

> DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10

TK--- I suggest supplementing with some DHEA start with 25-50mg with

breakfast. See what this does then add some pregnenolone 50-100mg.

Get Andy's book for more supplementation recommendations.

>

> fTSH 41 normal

> fT4 .46 high

> fT3 .48 normal

> TPO negative

TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to

post reference ranges also

>

> E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4

> P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95)

> TTF 17 normal

>

> Thanks for an advice!

> Carolyn J

>

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Carolyn J,

With a high fT4 it seems unlikely that you need to take Thyroid-S. Why did

you order it? Do you think you are hypothyroid? The ranges on the thyroid

tests are necessary to properly interpret your results.

The high fT4 and normal range fT3 makes me think you may be having trouble

with your T4 to T3 conversion. If that is the case, taking Thyroid-S won't

help, and you need to be working on improving your liver health. Selenium

is essential for the T4 to T3 conversion. When you took selenium and got a

shaky feeling, were you taking HC then? Perhaps with the selenium your body

was able to convert T4 to T3 better, but with your low cortisol the T3

wasn't able to get into your tissues and instead stayed in your blood in too

high a concentration, thus giving you a shaky feeling.

You shouldn't take selenium in the selenite form. Use the selenomethionine

form. I think you may need it.

Lynn

> Here are my cortisol test results:

> Depressed

> 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24

> 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10

> 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8

> 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4

> Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42

> DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10

>

> fTSH 41 normal

> fT4 .46 high

> fT3 .48 normal

> TPO negative

>

> E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4

> P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95)

> TTF 17 normal

>

> Thanks for an advice!

> Carolyn J

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Carolyn J,

With a high fT4 it seems unlikely that you need to take Thyroid-S. Why did

you order it? Do you think you are hypothyroid? The ranges on the thyroid

tests are necessary to properly interpret your results.

The high fT4 and normal range fT3 makes me think you may be having trouble

with your T4 to T3 conversion. If that is the case, taking Thyroid-S won't

help, and you need to be working on improving your liver health. Selenium

is essential for the T4 to T3 conversion. When you took selenium and got a

shaky feeling, were you taking HC then? Perhaps with the selenium your body

was able to convert T4 to T3 better, but with your low cortisol the T3

wasn't able to get into your tissues and instead stayed in your blood in too

high a concentration, thus giving you a shaky feeling.

You shouldn't take selenium in the selenite form. Use the selenomethionine

form. I think you may need it.

Lynn

> Here are my cortisol test results:

> Depressed

> 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24

> 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10

> 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8

> 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4

> Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42

> DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10

>

> fTSH 41 normal

> fT4 .46 high

> fT3 .48 normal

> TPO negative

>

> E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4

> P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95)

> TTF 17 normal

>

> Thanks for an advice!

> Carolyn J

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Carolyn J,

With a high fT4 it seems unlikely that you need to take Thyroid-S. Why did

you order it? Do you think you are hypothyroid? The ranges on the thyroid

tests are necessary to properly interpret your results.

The high fT4 and normal range fT3 makes me think you may be having trouble

with your T4 to T3 conversion. If that is the case, taking Thyroid-S won't

help, and you need to be working on improving your liver health. Selenium

is essential for the T4 to T3 conversion. When you took selenium and got a

shaky feeling, were you taking HC then? Perhaps with the selenium your body

was able to convert T4 to T3 better, but with your low cortisol the T3

wasn't able to get into your tissues and instead stayed in your blood in too

high a concentration, thus giving you a shaky feeling.

You shouldn't take selenium in the selenite form. Use the selenomethionine

form. I think you may need it.

Lynn

> Here are my cortisol test results:

> Depressed

> 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24

> 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10

> 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8

> 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4

> Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42

> DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10

>

> fTSH 41 normal

> fT4 .46 high

> fT3 .48 normal

> TPO negative

>

> E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4

> P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95)

> TTF 17 normal

>

> Thanks for an advice!

> Carolyn J

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Lynn,

Thank you for answering. I ordered the Thyroid-S because someone (I can't

remember who - severe brain fog) recommended it. I was taking the

selenomethionine form of selenium and I was not on HC yet. I had just started

the DHEA a few

days before so thought it might be that and stopped both and had received the

HC. I was feeling really great on the HC until a couple of days ago. Now I am

feeling really bad again and not sleeping again.

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Lynn,

Thank you for answering. I ordered the Thyroid-S because someone (I can't

remember who - severe brain fog) recommended it. I was taking the

selenomethionine form of selenium and I was not on HC yet. I had just started

the DHEA a few

days before so thought it might be that and stopped both and had received the

HC. I was feeling really great on the HC until a couple of days ago. Now I am

feeling really bad again and not sleeping again.

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Lynn,

Thank you for answering. I ordered the Thyroid-S because someone (I can't

remember who - severe brain fog) recommended it. I was taking the

selenomethionine form of selenium and I was not on HC yet. I had just started

the DHEA a few

days before so thought it might be that and stopped both and had received the

HC. I was feeling really great on the HC until a couple of days ago. Now I am

feeling really bad again and not sleeping again.

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TK--- much better thanks, remarks below

>

> I forgot to mention that I am also taking DHEA 12.5 mg/day.

TK--- If you are fatigued you could increase this and use some

pregnenolone

>

> > fTSH 41 normal range

TK--- TSH really doesn't mean a lot by itself as it only tells you

that your pituitary is making a normal amiunt of TSH thyroid

stimulating hormone. So at least your petuitary is working and

getting the signal from the hypothalmus

> borderline low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml borderline

high: 86-120

> nIU/ml

>

> > fT4 .46 high

> Normal: .17-.42 ng/dl

>

> > fT3 .48 normal

> Borderline Low: .21-.27 pg/ml Normal: .28-1.10 pg/ml

TK--- with high FT4 and lower FT3 as [Lynn mentioned] this can

indicate that you are not converting the T4 properly so adding more

will not help and may make you feel worse. It wold be better to add

just extended release T3.

I would suggest getting your thyroid and adrenal situation

straightened out before you start chelating with dmsa or it will

become very confusing. Start with one medication preferably the

cortef [HC] and find a level that works. Then add the T3. Then work

with the dhea and pregnenolone. Do one thing at a time and give it

time to help or not before adding something else or again it will

get too confusing.

Keep us updated so we can make suggestions.

> > TPO negative

> Normal is negative

>

> TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need

to

> post reference ranges also

>

>

>

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TK--- much better thanks, remarks below

>

> I forgot to mention that I am also taking DHEA 12.5 mg/day.

TK--- If you are fatigued you could increase this and use some

pregnenolone

>

> > fTSH 41 normal range

TK--- TSH really doesn't mean a lot by itself as it only tells you

that your pituitary is making a normal amiunt of TSH thyroid

stimulating hormone. So at least your petuitary is working and

getting the signal from the hypothalmus

> borderline low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml borderline

high: 86-120

> nIU/ml

>

> > fT4 .46 high

> Normal: .17-.42 ng/dl

>

> > fT3 .48 normal

> Borderline Low: .21-.27 pg/ml Normal: .28-1.10 pg/ml

TK--- with high FT4 and lower FT3 as [Lynn mentioned] this can

indicate that you are not converting the T4 properly so adding more

will not help and may make you feel worse. It wold be better to add

just extended release T3.

I would suggest getting your thyroid and adrenal situation

straightened out before you start chelating with dmsa or it will

become very confusing. Start with one medication preferably the

cortef [HC] and find a level that works. Then add the T3. Then work

with the dhea and pregnenolone. Do one thing at a time and give it

time to help or not before adding something else or again it will

get too confusing.

Keep us updated so we can make suggestions.

> > TPO negative

> Normal is negative

>

> TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need

to

> post reference ranges also

>

>

>

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TK--- much better thanks, remarks below

>

> I forgot to mention that I am also taking DHEA 12.5 mg/day.

TK--- If you are fatigued you could increase this and use some

pregnenolone

>

> > fTSH 41 normal range

TK--- TSH really doesn't mean a lot by itself as it only tells you

that your pituitary is making a normal amiunt of TSH thyroid

stimulating hormone. So at least your petuitary is working and

getting the signal from the hypothalmus

> borderline low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml borderline

high: 86-120

> nIU/ml

>

> > fT4 .46 high

> Normal: .17-.42 ng/dl

>

> > fT3 .48 normal

> Borderline Low: .21-.27 pg/ml Normal: .28-1.10 pg/ml

TK--- with high FT4 and lower FT3 as [Lynn mentioned] this can

indicate that you are not converting the T4 properly so adding more

will not help and may make you feel worse. It wold be better to add

just extended release T3.

I would suggest getting your thyroid and adrenal situation

straightened out before you start chelating with dmsa or it will

become very confusing. Start with one medication preferably the

cortef [HC] and find a level that works. Then add the T3. Then work

with the dhea and pregnenolone. Do one thing at a time and give it

time to help or not before adding something else or again it will

get too confusing.

Keep us updated so we can make suggestions.

> > TPO negative

> Normal is negative

>

> TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need

to

> post reference ranges also

>

>

>

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