Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Hi Gang, I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the fillings out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here is my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I should start taking and how much. I currently am on the following: HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg Milk Thistle Calcium Vitamin C Magnesium (I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it) Here are my cortisol test results: Depressed 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4 Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42 DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10 fTSH 41 normal fT4 .46 high fT3 .48 normal TPO negative E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4 P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95) TTF 17 normal Thanks for an advice! Carolyn J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 > > Hi Gang, > > I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It > should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the fillings > out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here is > my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also > need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I should > start taking and how much. I currently am on the following: > > HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg > Milk Thistle TK--- How much how often ? > Calcium > Vitamin C TK-- how much how often ? > Magnesium TK--- there is much more you can do for supplementation which may help. > (I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it) > > Here are my cortisol test results: > Depressed > 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24 > 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10 > 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8 > 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4 > Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42 > DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10 TK--- I suggest supplementing with some DHEA start with 25-50mg with breakfast. See what this does then add some pregnenolone 50-100mg. Get Andy's book for more supplementation recommendations. > > fTSH 41 normal > fT4 .46 high > fT3 .48 normal > TPO negative TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to post reference ranges also > > E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4 > P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95) > TTF 17 normal > > Thanks for an advice! > Carolyn J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 > > Hi Gang, > > I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It > should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the fillings > out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here is > my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also > need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I should > start taking and how much. I currently am on the following: > > HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg > Milk Thistle TK--- How much how often ? > Calcium > Vitamin C TK-- how much how often ? > Magnesium TK--- there is much more you can do for supplementation which may help. > (I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it) > > Here are my cortisol test results: > Depressed > 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24 > 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10 > 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8 > 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4 > Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42 > DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10 TK--- I suggest supplementing with some DHEA start with 25-50mg with breakfast. See what this does then add some pregnenolone 50-100mg. Get Andy's book for more supplementation recommendations. > > fTSH 41 normal > fT4 .46 high > fT3 .48 normal > TPO negative TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to post reference ranges also > > E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4 > P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95) > TTF 17 normal > > Thanks for an advice! > Carolyn J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 > > Hi Gang, > > I had two amalgams removed last week and have DMSA on order. It > should be here within a week (I wasn't expecting to get the fillings > out that quickly and was not prepared with the DMSA). Anyway, here is > my dilemma. I also have Thyroid-S (Armour) on order, which I also > need badly. Both should come within days. I don't know which I should > start taking and how much. I currently am on the following: > > HC 10mg, 5mg, and 5mg > Milk Thistle TK--- How much how often ? > Calcium > Vitamin C TK-- how much how often ? > Magnesium TK--- there is much more you can do for supplementation which may help. > (I tried selium but got shaky feeling so quit taking it) > > Here are my cortisol test results: > Depressed > 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24 > 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10 > 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8 > 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4 > Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42 > DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10 TK--- I suggest supplementing with some DHEA start with 25-50mg with breakfast. See what this does then add some pregnenolone 50-100mg. Get Andy's book for more supplementation recommendations. > > fTSH 41 normal > fT4 .46 high > fT3 .48 normal > TPO negative TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to post reference ranges also > > E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4 > P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95) > TTF 17 normal > > Thanks for an advice! > Carolyn J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Carolyn J, With a high fT4 it seems unlikely that you need to take Thyroid-S. Why did you order it? Do you think you are hypothyroid? The ranges on the thyroid tests are necessary to properly interpret your results. The high fT4 and normal range fT3 makes me think you may be having trouble with your T4 to T3 conversion. If that is the case, taking Thyroid-S won't help, and you need to be working on improving your liver health. Selenium is essential for the T4 to T3 conversion. When you took selenium and got a shaky feeling, were you taking HC then? Perhaps with the selenium your body was able to convert T4 to T3 better, but with your low cortisol the T3 wasn't able to get into your tissues and instead stayed in your blood in too high a concentration, thus giving you a shaky feeling. You shouldn't take selenium in the selenite form. Use the selenomethionine form. I think you may need it. Lynn > Here are my cortisol test results: > Depressed > 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24 > 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10 > 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8 > 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4 > Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42 > DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10 > > fTSH 41 normal > fT4 .46 high > fT3 .48 normal > TPO negative > > E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4 > P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95) > TTF 17 normal > > Thanks for an advice! > Carolyn J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Carolyn J, With a high fT4 it seems unlikely that you need to take Thyroid-S. Why did you order it? Do you think you are hypothyroid? The ranges on the thyroid tests are necessary to properly interpret your results. The high fT4 and normal range fT3 makes me think you may be having trouble with your T4 to T3 conversion. If that is the case, taking Thyroid-S won't help, and you need to be working on improving your liver health. Selenium is essential for the T4 to T3 conversion. When you took selenium and got a shaky feeling, were you taking HC then? Perhaps with the selenium your body was able to convert T4 to T3 better, but with your low cortisol the T3 wasn't able to get into your tissues and instead stayed in your blood in too high a concentration, thus giving you a shaky feeling. You shouldn't take selenium in the selenite form. Use the selenomethionine form. I think you may need it. Lynn > Here are my cortisol test results: > Depressed > 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24 > 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10 > 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8 > 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4 > Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42 > DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10 > > fTSH 41 normal > fT4 .46 high > fT3 .48 normal > TPO negative > > E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4 > P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95) > TTF 17 normal > > Thanks for an advice! > Carolyn J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Carolyn J, With a high fT4 it seems unlikely that you need to take Thyroid-S. Why did you order it? Do you think you are hypothyroid? The ranges on the thyroid tests are necessary to properly interpret your results. The high fT4 and normal range fT3 makes me think you may be having trouble with your T4 to T3 conversion. If that is the case, taking Thyroid-S won't help, and you need to be working on improving your liver health. Selenium is essential for the T4 to T3 conversion. When you took selenium and got a shaky feeling, were you taking HC then? Perhaps with the selenium your body was able to convert T4 to T3 better, but with your low cortisol the T3 wasn't able to get into your tissues and instead stayed in your blood in too high a concentration, thus giving you a shaky feeling. You shouldn't take selenium in the selenite form. Use the selenomethionine form. I think you may need it. Lynn > Here are my cortisol test results: > Depressed > 7-8am result is 8 Depressed reference is 13-24 > 11-12 noon result 3 Depressed reference is 5-10 > 4-5 pm result is 2 Depressded referenece is 3-8 > 11-midnight result <1 Depressed reference 1-4 > Cortisol burden is 14 reference is 23-42 > DHEA 1 Depressed reference 3-10 > > fTSH 41 normal > fT4 .46 high > fT3 .48 normal > TPO negative > > E2 8 (postmenopause - no hrt should be 1-4 > P1 131 (post menopause- No hrt: 5-95) > TTF 17 normal > > Thanks for an advice! > Carolyn J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Lynn, Thank you for answering. I ordered the Thyroid-S because someone (I can't remember who - severe brain fog) recommended it. I was taking the selenomethionine form of selenium and I was not on HC yet. I had just started the DHEA a few days before so thought it might be that and stopped both and had received the HC. I was feeling really great on the HC until a couple of days ago. Now I am feeling really bad again and not sleeping again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Lynn, Thank you for answering. I ordered the Thyroid-S because someone (I can't remember who - severe brain fog) recommended it. I was taking the selenomethionine form of selenium and I was not on HC yet. I had just started the DHEA a few days before so thought it might be that and stopped both and had received the HC. I was feeling really great on the HC until a couple of days ago. Now I am feeling really bad again and not sleeping again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Lynn, Thank you for answering. I ordered the Thyroid-S because someone (I can't remember who - severe brain fog) recommended it. I was taking the selenomethionine form of selenium and I was not on HC yet. I had just started the DHEA a few days before so thought it might be that and stopped both and had received the HC. I was feeling really great on the HC until a couple of days ago. Now I am feeling really bad again and not sleeping again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 TK--- much better thanks, remarks below > > I forgot to mention that I am also taking DHEA 12.5 mg/day. TK--- If you are fatigued you could increase this and use some pregnenolone > > > fTSH 41 normal range TK--- TSH really doesn't mean a lot by itself as it only tells you that your pituitary is making a normal amiunt of TSH thyroid stimulating hormone. So at least your petuitary is working and getting the signal from the hypothalmus > borderline low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml borderline high: 86-120 > nIU/ml > > > fT4 .46 high > Normal: .17-.42 ng/dl > > > fT3 .48 normal > Borderline Low: .21-.27 pg/ml Normal: .28-1.10 pg/ml TK--- with high FT4 and lower FT3 as [Lynn mentioned] this can indicate that you are not converting the T4 properly so adding more will not help and may make you feel worse. It wold be better to add just extended release T3. I would suggest getting your thyroid and adrenal situation straightened out before you start chelating with dmsa or it will become very confusing. Start with one medication preferably the cortef [HC] and find a level that works. Then add the T3. Then work with the dhea and pregnenolone. Do one thing at a time and give it time to help or not before adding something else or again it will get too confusing. Keep us updated so we can make suggestions. > > TPO negative > Normal is negative > > TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to > post reference ranges also > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 TK--- much better thanks, remarks below > > I forgot to mention that I am also taking DHEA 12.5 mg/day. TK--- If you are fatigued you could increase this and use some pregnenolone > > > fTSH 41 normal range TK--- TSH really doesn't mean a lot by itself as it only tells you that your pituitary is making a normal amiunt of TSH thyroid stimulating hormone. So at least your petuitary is working and getting the signal from the hypothalmus > borderline low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml borderline high: 86-120 > nIU/ml > > > fT4 .46 high > Normal: .17-.42 ng/dl > > > fT3 .48 normal > Borderline Low: .21-.27 pg/ml Normal: .28-1.10 pg/ml TK--- with high FT4 and lower FT3 as [Lynn mentioned] this can indicate that you are not converting the T4 properly so adding more will not help and may make you feel worse. It wold be better to add just extended release T3. I would suggest getting your thyroid and adrenal situation straightened out before you start chelating with dmsa or it will become very confusing. Start with one medication preferably the cortef [HC] and find a level that works. Then add the T3. Then work with the dhea and pregnenolone. Do one thing at a time and give it time to help or not before adding something else or again it will get too confusing. Keep us updated so we can make suggestions. > > TPO negative > Normal is negative > > TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to > post reference ranges also > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 TK--- much better thanks, remarks below > > I forgot to mention that I am also taking DHEA 12.5 mg/day. TK--- If you are fatigued you could increase this and use some pregnenolone > > > fTSH 41 normal range TK--- TSH really doesn't mean a lot by itself as it only tells you that your pituitary is making a normal amiunt of TSH thyroid stimulating hormone. So at least your petuitary is working and getting the signal from the hypothalmus > borderline low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml borderline high: 86-120 > nIU/ml > > > fT4 .46 high > Normal: .17-.42 ng/dl > > > fT3 .48 normal > Borderline Low: .21-.27 pg/ml Normal: .28-1.10 pg/ml TK--- with high FT4 and lower FT3 as [Lynn mentioned] this can indicate that you are not converting the T4 properly so adding more will not help and may make you feel worse. It wold be better to add just extended release T3. I would suggest getting your thyroid and adrenal situation straightened out before you start chelating with dmsa or it will become very confusing. Start with one medication preferably the cortef [HC] and find a level that works. Then add the T3. Then work with the dhea and pregnenolone. Do one thing at a time and give it time to help or not before adding something else or again it will get too confusing. Keep us updated so we can make suggestions. > > TPO negative > Normal is negative > > TK--- I am not familiar with this testing result. You would need to > post reference ranges also > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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